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post #8581 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Iread this a few months ago when I first bought the ES8000.. http://www.ibtimes.com/soap-opera-effect-how-hd-makes-your-tv-shows-look-weird-infographic-696505

Good article, I read this a few months ago actually.
post #8582 of 16126
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

They said same color, same ghosting, so it doesn't really sound like they improve the picture any. I know they put in that one comment about if they had to pick they'd say the panny glasses give better pic quality but nothing else they say supports that. So why pay 3x more to Panasonic?

Because the 2012 Samsungs look and feel cheap, and don't fit so well either, plus they do nothing to block out ambient light, and feel "further away" somehow. The lenses are really too small honestly. The 2011 Samsung glasses are way way better.
post #8583 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

- Samsung is the only company that will replace an entire screen while under warranty as long as the dead pixel is dead on all colors, not just a dead sub-pixel. His opinion was that Samsung does this because it costs less to replace bad panels of those who complain than to maintain better quality control..

I wish they felt the same for clouding, which can be far more annoying depending on the location of the clouding/pixels. If a customer isn't happy and complains about 1 dead pixel, they swap out the panel, but if a customer has 1/5 of his screen covered in clouding, including one that forms a letter of the alphabet, they tell him to go to hell? Who comes up with these policies?
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My banding...
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Banding...is this considered bad?
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post


Banding...is this considered bad?

I noticed similar but not as bad on both of the 65ES8000s I recently sent back due to multiple dead pixels. Both Nov.12 from Mexico.
post #8588 of 16126
No dead pixel for me.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

If any of this is true, it means that any customers having clouding/flashlighting issue with sets built earlier in the year (like myself) should be able to get the sets or panels swapped out for a newer build. Why should a guy who walks into the showroom in November or December who pays several hundred less than I did back in early summer, get better-made panel than I did when it was more expensive? Why should early buyers get screwed with poor construction (like an obviously somewhat-common V-shaped cloud)? If November sets look better than July sets, then there's a serious issue with Samsung. Not that I doubt that.

Caveat Emptor. Purchasers buying the TV right now deserve all the information and data gathered since the date we all purchased our sets incorporated into theirs. Had they bought back when we did, they would have got what we got, but they didn't They deserve to get today's latest and greatest. Next time I buy a TV I sure hope I get the latest and greatest at that time.....
post #8590 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I wish they felt the same for clouding, which can be far more annoying depending on the location of the clouding/pixels. If a customer isn't happy and complains about 1 dead pixel, they swap out the panel, but if a customer has 1/5 of his screen covered in clouding, including one that forms a letter of the alphabet, they tell him to go to hell? Who comes up with these policies?

From what we can tell here if most customers have a material clouding/flashlighting issue that can be seen during normal viewing they have their panels or sets replaced.
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post


My banding...
That looks similar to mine. Is it hard to see in normal viewing? If so, I'd get used to it.
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90% of the time I don't notice it. I was aware of the 65 being harder to get with out issues.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I wish they felt the same for clouding, which can be far more annoying depending on the location of the clouding/pixels. If a customer isn't happy and complains about 1 dead pixel, they swap out the panel, but if a customer has 1/5 of his screen covered in clouding, including one that forms a letter of the alphabet, they tell him to go to hell? Who comes up with these policies?

Buy another brand. Or buy a plasma. Or a CRT. Or just use your imagination. Your imagination is free. You can have a perfect TV in your dreams. Otherwise, you know good and well, unless you've been living under a rock, that lcd has strengths and weaknesses. Stop playing the victim.

It's like buying a plasma and saying: "how DARE plasma have burn in?!? It's supposed to be PERFECT! And how can it weigh MORE than LCD? And how can it consume MORE ENERGY than an LCD? This is blasphemy! Someone build me an 8K TV for fifteen cents!!!!! NOOWWWWWW!!!!!! Waaaaaah!!!!"
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Originally Posted by gtm73 View Post

From what we can tell here if most customers have a material clouding/flashlighting issue that can be seen during normal viewing they have their panels or sets replaced.

Except me. Like I said, a lot of it comes down to the service agent who you get for the visit. My girlfriend works for company that relies heavily on various service agents to assist customers, and boy does she have some stories from work. Not all service agents are the same. Don't think for a minute that they are. Different agents give different experiences.
post #8595 of 16126
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Buy another brand. Or buy a plasma. Or a CRT. Or just use your imagination. Your imagination is free. You can have a perfect TV in your dreams. Otherwise, you know good and well, unless you've been living under a rock, that lcd has strengths and weaknesses. Stop playing the victim.
It's like buying a plasma and saying: "how DARE plasma have burn in?!? It's supposed to be PERFECT! And how can it weigh MORE than LCD? And how can it consume MORE ENERGY than an LCD? This is blasphemy! Someone build me an 8K TV for fifteen cents!!!!! NOOWWWWWW!!!!!! Waaaaaah!!!!"

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post #8596 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Let's see:
- buzzing, there are threads dedicated just to buzzing Pannys.
- difficult to watch during the day
- frequent IR
- did I mention buzzing?
All joking aside, the VT50 really is the most stunning image quality I've ever seen in a dark room environment. Ashame it's other issues can be problem for many folks like myself.

nasty dancing dither since they can't natively show all that many different shades, posterization on fast movement of smooth bright objects
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Hi all. So I got my 65" ES8000 today. Haven't done much with the picture settings yet other than turning down the backlight and color a little from standard. I have zero clouding or backlight bleed, the only problem I have is vertical banding. I loaded up an all grey screen and it was VERY prominent...tried a couple of Blurays quickly and couldn't really see it. Then I loaded up an AVI file on my Apple TV and during a slow camera pan on a beige background I could see the banding quite clearly.

My question is this... Do any of the 65" ES8000 panels ever come completely free of this banding, or should I call Samsung to initiate a replacement ? I will spend some time with some movies in the next few nights to see how much of a problem with actual content it really is. I don't want to start the whole return saga if the banding is just part and parcel with this panel in general.

I have at least 5 bands vertically on the panel, pretty much right across the panel

1000
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Here is a demonstration of the fine horizontal striping issues that I am talking about that first appeared starting with some C-series panels (it seemed to hit SQ panels the most that year, those ones also had the best blacks though, but some were totally free of it though). This is a macro photo picture of a 55C650 SQ02 set that had a lot of it. a SOLID shade of blue-green was sent to the entire screen so every single pixel should be the exact same color, but notice that every other row sends out a different color, look at the bottom green sub-pixel, it is much brighter for odd vs even 'scanlines' even though all lines are sent the exact same color to display!



Notice how the third green sub-pixel down every other row puts out a much darker signal than in the row above and below it!
Again the set was fed a SOLID block of the same color to every single pixel.

Most people tend to toss is off as a problem with the signal, I suspect and don't realize it is many of these new panels with some sort of defect (and if it is on purpose, why??, and then why not the same degree on all sets or at least all sets with the same panel type and version? are driven as cheap 6bit panels and use some sort of weird 'dithering' using entire scalines instead of checkerboards???).
Edited by skibum5000 - 12/21/12 at 1:06am
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Does the banding start to fade with use ? I doubt it, but i hear a lot of reports that clouding disappears eventually. Not sure what to believe. Only a bit of gaming and bluray time on my new panel will tell if this banding is going to piss me off or not. One thing I do know is that the ES8000 seems to be much brighter and more vibrant than the VT50 it replaced, and NO FLICKER.
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post

No dead pixel for me.

What was your model, build date and build location? If it is Nov 2012 and Mexico, than I know it's possible to get one with no dead pixels.
post #8601 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Hi all. So I got my 65" ES8000 today. Haven't done much with the picture settings yet other than turning down the backlight and color a little from standard. I have zero clouding or backlight bleed, the only problem I have is vertical banding. I loaded up an all grey screen and it was VERY prominent...tried a couple of Blurays quickly and couldn't really see it. Then I loaded up an AVI file on my Apple TV and during a slow camera pan on a beige background I could see the banding quite clearly.
My question is this... Do any of the 65" ES8000 panels ever come completely free of this banding, or should I call Samsung to initiate a replacement ? I will spend some time with some movies in the next few nights to see how much of a problem with actual content it really is. I don't want to start the whole return saga if the banding is just part and parcel with this panel in general.
I have at least 5 bands vertically on the panel, pretty much right across the panel
1000

What was your build date and build location? Both of the 65ES8000s I exchanged were Nov. 2012 and from Mexico and both had pretty bad vertical banding. However, they both had almost zero uniformity issues and zero flashlighting.

Also, if yours was Nov 2012 and Mexico, did yours have any dead pixels?
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Does the banding start to fade with use ? I doubt it, but i hear a lot of reports that clouding disappears eventually. Not sure what to believe. Only a bit of gaming and bluray time on my new panel will tell if this banding is going to piss me off or not. One thing I do know is that the ES8000 seems to be much brighter and more vibrant than the VT50 it replaced, and NO FLICKER.

No, vertical banding is an issue you need to address prior to your return period expiring if it bothers you too much.
Edited by cmay91472 - 12/21/12 at 3:24am
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In relation to the vertical banding, is there any chance in hell I'm going to get one that doesn't have it ? It seems to be a common complaint, do they all have it or not ?

For manufacturer date etc, I have checked every inch of the rear of the panel and can't find any mention of the date/place of manufacturing Where is it ?
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Cmay- yes nov in mexico
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1000- theres two labels on the back,it the one away from hdmi ports.
post #8606 of 16126
FYI - settings.

I tried Turboman123's - "Movie" settings (Page 267 - Post# 8007) last night and was very pleased with the results (thanks Turboman123!)

I liked Garnoch's settings, as well, but Turboman's seem to work much better on my 65" ES8000 panel.

I know that a professional calibration (if you have the right person) will probably yield the best results, But the methodology and tools that Turboman123 used are as close to a professional calibration as I've ever had. And it's amazing that many folks can get different results (way different results) from the same settings. You would think that there wouldn't be that much difference between panels - - especially if they are the same size screen.

One caveat for everyone - - the ultimate test is the old "eye" test - - how it looks to you. Example: I have Brightness at 45 (recommended Turboman123 setting) for my Bluray but 42 works much better with my Directv satellite. It might sound like a subtle tweak but it really makes a difference in the PQ - - the higher brightness setting washes things out with my Directv picture - - I don't know why, but it does.

I was a little nervous with Contrast at 100 - but it works fine in "Movie" mode. My Backlight is higher - 12 with Sharpness at 45 - - a much higher setting than everyone elses but this setting works for me!

Gamma is also at 0 - - I experimented and it turns out that 0 works best through my Pioneer Elite SC65 AVR.

For the first time - I am watching all satellite (sports, movies, everything) and Bluray with the "Movie" setting. I have saved "Standard" and am tweaking it for 3D Bluray viewing.

I can't tell you how happy I am without the dimming issues - - I watched a little bit of Harry Potter and The Matrix yesterday - - superb detail - - especially in dark scenes. Not as harsh as "Standard" mode. From edge to edge, top to bottom - - the picture is very clean and detailed (more uniformity?). I have very little vertical banding with my 65" - - but even less in the "Movie" mode. I'm not sure and will defer to the experts - - but I believe if you can get your settings right, it can mitigate some panel issues. Mine are so slight that they are not noticeable - - and even on the occasional scene with banding, it is so, so faint that I really have to look for it on the frame or scene as it is usually gone by the time I've eyeballed it.

Lastly - I was watching The Bourne Legacy late last night and one scene (I won't give the movie away) blew up a cabin and the explosion was so loud in contrast to the rest of the soundtrack that it scared the you know what out of me! I quickly reached for my remote and turned the sound down - - and vowed to watch the movie this afternoon - - when I can crank up the volume. Another great benefit of 3DBlurayrental.com is that you get the full soundtrack - - 7.1 DTS in this case. I will be cancelling Blockbuster and getting all content - 3D and 2D from this source and have signed up for two discs at a time. Great service and quality soundtracks - - not stripped out like the big boys do it!
Edited by Ricoflashback - 12/21/12 at 7:29am
post #8607 of 16126
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Buy another brand. Or buy a plasma. Or a CRT. Or just use your imagination. Your imagination is free. You can have a perfect TV in your dreams. Otherwise, you know good and well, unless you've been living under a rock, that lcd has strengths and weaknesses. Stop playing the victim.
It's like buying a plasma and saying: "how DARE plasma have burn in?!? It's supposed to be PERFECT! And how can it weigh MORE than LCD? And how can it consume MORE ENERGY than an LCD? This is blasphemy! Someone build me an 8K TV for fifteen cents!!!!! NOOWWWWWW!!!!!! Waaaaaah!!!!"
...There is a common sense wisdom to what you say John...

-You have a foreign embassy in a hostile nation: do you expect 100% safety and security?...Really
-Exotic hi-end cars: do you expect flawless reliabilty?...Really
-The Mayans on the beaches in cancun selling sunglasses at 10 bucks a pop...: You expect genuine Oakley's?...Really
-You just graduated Harvard: Do you expect to be hired immediately as CEO of BNY Mellon?...Really
-You just got your first bluray player, 3d tv and Avatar 3d combo pack: You expect your opinion to be accepted as equal to "Ralph Potts" NOW?...Really
-You just bought a Sharp "Elite": Do you expect that picture quality to be TWICE as good as an 8000?...Really

LOL
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I did some more testing of the November 65" ES8000. Even with the back light at 20, I see absolutely no flash lighting! my August build one at 20 had flashlighitng almost to the middle of the screen from each corner! This november build is much much better! Again, the V Shaped cloud is completely gone and is no longer there (backlight 20) There seems to be more light passing through on the August build as well. The November build looked darker and more realistic on dark movies such as Tron, Harry potter, and watchmen. I even threw in Magic Mike to look at the accurate skin tones after my calibration! biggrin.gif (sarcasim)

But honestly, this November panel as far as clouding and flash lighting is completely flawless. It has some minor banding, but its tolerable. I just may take it home and replace my 55" D8000 in my living room for everyday TV viewing and move the D8000 into our bedroom.

Now with that said, it does move the ES8000 a notch higher for me. Like I said before, anyone spending this kind of money on a TV should not have to deal with banding and uniformity as bad as my August set. I say this TV went from a joke to now decent/good. Good enough for me to put it in my living room for everyday TV viewing for my kids etc. Although, I am not quite sure I like it better than my D8000, but for the size difference, its worth adding 10 inches of real estate to my living room and moving the D8000 into our bedroom and get rid of the 32 inch that we currently have in there.
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/21/12 at 6:40am
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What panel type is installed in the November build 65ES8000?
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Except me. Like I said, a lot of it comes down to the service agent who you get for the visit. My girlfriend works for company that relies heavily on various service agents to assist customers, and boy does she have some stories from work. Not all service agents are the same. Don't think for a minute that they are. Different agents give different experiences.

With the data set we have it is impossible to determine which variable is causing your problem. There are two variables at play here....The customer and The Service Agent. It might be the Service Agent....It might not.
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