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post #8791 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The 65ES8000 that was delivered today was a Dec2012 build second generation Mexico panel and the banding is significantly less than either Nov2012 builds I sent back this past week.

Any comparative pics you mind sharing? I got pretty annoyed with the banding earlier tonight and am considering replacing mine too now. But I would like to see what a 65 inch with min banding looks like before deciding to revert back to a stable tech.
post #8792 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Good read. It's nice to hear someone talk without any fanboy'ism littered throughout. I personally could care less if someone wants, buys or thinks Plasma is better. That's their decision to make and if that's what they believe then that's what they should get because they'll be happy with what they have. The same goes for myself and others in this thread that have made the decision that the 8000 is the better TV for us. It's really that simple. It was my decision to make on my own terms and for my own reasons. I don't follow blindly anyone and that includes the knowledgeable and professional calibrators and reviewers out there.

His (1000) VT50 is an Australian model with reduced brightness. The US version can be adjusted bright enough that it should satisfy most anybody, even if unnaturally too bright and "poppy" is your thing. Like some of the commercials look Brighter than life. On a brightly adjusted LCD it is wonder people don't suffer retina damage watching some of those commercials. LOL

Peace on earth!
post #8793 of 16126
I forgot to mention (this will please a few of you guys) I will now only watch the plasmas threads and stop bugging you fellows. I was trying to learn a little about this model tv, my brother in law was looking at LCD tvs and I will recommend the ES8000.

See ya.
post #8794 of 16126
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I'm still unclear on one point... do the 60" ES8000s suffer from banding at all ? I don't want to lose the 5" but I will if it means no banding, I'm in love with the PQ (sans banding)

1000
post #8795 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I'm still unclear on one point... do the 60" ES8000s suffer from banding at all ? I don't want to lose the 5" but I will if it means no banding, I'm in love with the PQ (sans banding)

1000

My set 60in has no banding. Just some minor flashlighting
post #8796 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The 65ES8000 that was delivered today was a Dec2012 build second generation Mexico panel and the banding is significantly less than either Nov2012 builds I sent back this past week.

So what happens when I ask Samsung to replace my 65" with a 60" ? Do they just refund me the difference ? Or should I be asking for my money back and buy the Sony 65" hx955 ? I just want a big, beautiful LCD panel, I don't want to be put through the ringer returning panels for the next 3 months !!!
post #8797 of 16126
Micro-dimming IS ALL MARKETING. Work at one of the biggest tv and audio retailers in europe. Bought an micro dimming samsung and realised that (also in standard mode) no actual dimming ocures. Hookt up an light measuring deveice and presto. NO ACTUAL DIMMING of LEDs or BACKLITE HAPENS!
Called my acount manager at samsung and he laught because I fell in their trick dimming pit: " Samsung does not actually dim the LEDs of the backlight. Instead, it artificially TRIES to create a similar effect by changing the contrast of different zones of the picture. Its developed to lure customers away from full aray compettertors. Micro dimming is NO-MORE whats called "active contrast" in my 3 year old sharp. So all people trippin about standard mode vs movie mode because of MICRO 'NOT-REALLY-DIMMING' sort wasted their time. Movie mode stays true to intended image with better colours without contrast stretching gimmicks.

Stick to movie mode. Forget about dimming
post #8798 of 16126
I also bought d8000 last year but I have so big issues with it that I just need to return and get a new one - and I was thinking about ES8000.
1. d8000 have big issue with lighting on sides of edges - HALO effect as some call - the worst thing was when you watch movie that has a black background you were able to see all bulbs from edges - and even on top (strange)
2.d8000 didn't have Adobe flash player to watch movies online (I saw some reviews that it does)?
3. When I was watching movies from internet (ex. you tube) after 30 minutes tv shut down by itself and you needed to wait 10/15 until it back up.
I tried to contact samsung to get some anwers to my questions but they only say "everything is on website" but website provide so general info.

I hope ES8000 would work better b/s I really want good tv. I like how the picture is clear but is it worthy to have all other issues with it for that big $?
post #8799 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

When you say significantly less, can you see it during normal use ? Are you going to keep it ?

With the two November builds, I could see visible banding on all colors using the d-nice solid color plasma break in slides that I had for my VT50. With the December build, visible banding was only noticeable on the light grey and dark grey slides. I do not notice any visible banding while under normal use with the December build. I use movie mode with all enhancements off except the black setting set to dark. Backlight set to 5 for 2d and 10 for 3d. Definitely a keeper as I do not believe it is possible to get a set with any less flaws having already tested three 65ES8000s overall. Hopefully once a couple other people receive December builds of the 65 inches, we will get a better feel for if banding has been improved or lack there off similar to how November builds resolved uniformity and flash lighting flaws.
post #8800 of 16126
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

I also bought d8000 last year but I have so big issues with it that I just need to return and get a new one - and I was thinking about ES8000.
1. d8000 have big issue with lighting on sides of edges - HALO effect as some call - the worst thing was when you watch movie that has a black background you were able to see all bulbs from edges - and even on top (strange)
2.d8000 didn't have Adobe flash player to watch movies online (I saw some reviews that it does)?
3. When I was watching movies from internet (ex. you tube) after 30 minutes tv shut down by itself and you needed to wait 10/15 until it back up.
I tried to contact samsung to get some anwers to my questions but they only say "everything is on website" but website provide so general info.
I hope ES8000 would work better b/s I really want good tv. I like how the picture is clear but is it worthy to have all other issues with it for that big $?

The most recent builds appear to have corrected many of the issues that plagued earlier builds. Banding appears to be the only flaw left, but I did notice significantly less banding on the December builds compared to November builds for the second generation 65 inch panels from Mexico.
post #8801 of 16126
So. Watched oceans b Disneynature last night and it was ridiculous having it in every shot almost. It actually messed with the ocean color enough that I couldn't blur it out and ignore it. Very frustrating since I'd never watched content like that since buying this. I am skeptical about how muc less banding you can really get on another panel though. Quite disappointing.
post #8802 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

So what happens when I ask Samsung to replace my 65" with a 60" ? Do they just refund me the difference ? Or should I be asking for my money back and buy the Sony 65" hx955 ? I just want a big, beautiful LCD panel, I don't want to be put through the ringer returning panels for the next 3 months !!!

Just know you can go through the same thing with the 65" 950 though. I posted this two night ago here......

This review is from: Sony XBR65HX950 65-inch 240HZ 1080p 3D Internet Full-Array LED HDTV (Black) (Electronics)
Thought I'd share my experience thus far with my XBR65HX950. Sony is definitely not the Sony I grew up on. They now assemble their flagship TVs in Mexico and boy does it show. I'm on the exchange merry-go-round and I'm on set number 4 right now. Every single set has significant banding issues. I can't imagine I'll find one without it so I'll call Sony and see what they can do, I'm done hauling a 65" TV back and forth....it's not that much fun believe it or not. I'm holding out hope that Sony can deliver one without significant banding, because aside from the banding, it's a very impressive set with an amazing picture. For $5k though you shouldn't have to watch football through cloudy black bars.
post #8803 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post


His (1000) VT50 is an Australian model with reduced brightness. The US version can be adjusted bright enough that it should satisfy most anybody, even if unnaturally too bright and "poppy" is your thing. Like some of the commercials look Brighter than life. On a brightly adjusted LCD it is wonder people don't suffer retina damage watching some of those commercials. LOL
Peace on earth!

Very true. The Australian vt50s have capped light output. His opinion is irrelevant to NA VT50s because they get 2 times brighter. Hurrah! To the USA.
post #8804 of 16126
Btw my panel says AH01 on the back.
post #8805 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I'm still unclear on one point... do the 60" ES8000s suffer from banding at all ? I don't want to lose the 5" but I will if it means no banding, I'm in love with the PQ (sans banding)
1000

I'm sure it's possible but i can't remember any 60" ESes in this thread with banding. My 60" does not.
post #8806 of 16126
Garrnoch is your 60 an es8000?
post #8807 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

So. Watched oceans b Disneynature last night and it was ridiculous having it in every shot almost. It actually messed with the ocean color enough that I couldn't blur it out and ignore it. Very frustrating since I'd never watched content like that since buying this. I am skeptical about how muc less banding you can really get on another panel though. Quite disappointing.

What month and location is your build?
post #8808 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The most recent builds appear to have corrected many of the issues that plagued earlier builds. Banding appears to be the only flaw left, but I did notice significantly less banding on the December builds compared to November builds for the second generation 65 inch panels from Mexico.

"+1" he is right. My november build has no clouding or flashlighting even with backlight cranked to 20 on a black slide. Very minimal banding. No huge V of light at the bottom. My august test build had flashligjting even at backlight 5-10and a nasty v shaped cloud at the bottom. Hurrah to us recent owners that have flawless panels! I also found my november build has better black levels than the august build. Perhaps they are using a different filter or screen to block more light coming through which explains the zero flashligjting even at 20 backlight.
post #8809 of 16126
Mine is October mexico
post #8810 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post

I forgot to mention (this will please a few of you guys) I will now only watch the plasmas threads and stop bugging you fellows. I was trying to learn a little about this model tv, my brother in law was looking at LCD tvs and I will recommend the ES8000.
See ya.

Good luck and if you or your brother in law have questions, you know where to look.
post #8811 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Garrnoch is your 60 an es8000?

7500 - different stand, black bezel, less Micro Dimming zones (which is irrelevant in Movie mode).

Panel HS01
Edited by Garnoch - 12/23/12 at 8:11am
post #8812 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Mine is October mexico

I would say that you may have better results with either a Nov or Dec build MH02 preferably Dec.... But as previously stated there is still some banding on these as well. Nov had less banding then images that have been posted in here and Dec had even less than Nov.

If you decide to exchange, you will definitely not get anything worse, and may have better uniformity and less flashlighting to boot if you get Nov or Dec. if you are not happy with current banding.
post #8813 of 16126
Thanks I may be hitting the lotto option it seems. I've got 1 week left before its unreturnable, but might trade down to the 7500 if it means getting rid if the problem. Ahh decisions decisions frown.gif
post #8814 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Btw my panel says AH01 on the back.

For what it's worth - that's the same number on my 65" panel (August 2012 build - AH01-which was a replacement TV) and I have very little vertical banding. I believe your settings can help, a bit, but if it has serious vertical banding (like my second panel - first D.O.A. - damaged in shipping) - then there isn't much you can do about it outside of exchanging.

Sorry you're having these problems. I still can see faint banding on occasional scenes but for the most part - - it's working great. There are also some "shots" that lend themselves to VB - golf, fast panning, sky shots - - but it's funny. It can really vary. On some golf, I have zero banding. Generally, the better the signal, the less the banding (my experience). I think part of it is the technology and the other - - panel lotto as it has been discussed on this forum before. I've heard that Sharps do not have banding but the PQ is far inferior (only my opinion) to that of the Sammy sets. And I'm sure if full array becomes available (affordable - price wise) or OLED - - maybe that will solve the problem.

Best of luck in your decision - - whichever way you go.
post #8815 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Thanks I may be hitting the lotto option it seems. I've got 1 week left before its unreturnable, but might trade down to the 7500 if it means getting rid if the problem. Ahh decisions decisions frown.gif

In the hopes of getting a 65" with a Nov or Dec build though, you might want to try an exchange first but the 7500 and 8000 60" sets should both be fine.
post #8816 of 16126
Thanks Rico. Ok just hit it. Samsung is sending a technician out. My wife and I really like this tv and just want to enjoy it. We can't stand to lose more size so fingers crossed and hoping to get a December one. Living in San Diego I'm hoping the proximity to Tijuana will help.

Thanks garnoch/cmay for the info, made it even a possibility that I would stick it out instead of a straight return and new dlp.
post #8817 of 16126
Question for you other lotto players out there. Did you ever lose the use of your current tv for a period of time while they were replacing it?
post #8818 of 16126
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

Not to get things even more off topic - but after my 55" D8000 started to look a little too small (2:35 aspect ratio in 3D anyone?) I started looking at 3D projectors
And with the problems the D8000 edge lit line was having, I decided then and there not to invest even more money on an even bigger tv when with a projector I can go up to 120" (or more) and only have to spend around $1500 (on the 3D 1080p projector I'm looking at)
So my dream setup: A 55" 3DTV for normal & gaming use, and a 3D 1080p projector for movies with around a 120" screen. All I need is the projector and I'm good to go and I won't have to frown when watching every 2:35 movie in 3Dluojie

Amen brother. I'm glad someone else gets it

Don't get me wrong I love my 55" ES8000, but I have designs to ultimately get a 3D projector as well. Right now the living room is a bit small for a projector and 120" screen, but when I get my dream setup eventually it will include a 3D projector. And yes, lol, I do absolutely HATE watching 3D in a 2:35 aspect ratio on this small of a set, how could anyone enjoy that. But I may wait until 2014 or longer as prices and technology on 3D projectors are getting better all the time. A few of the 3D projectors have doubled the contrast in 3D mode from the year before, and each year the offerings are getting remarkably better so it is probably in my best interest to wait for now
post #8819 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Thanks Rico. Ok just hit it. Samsung is sending a technician out. My wife and I really like this tv and just want to enjoy it. We can't stand to lose more size so fingers crossed and hoping to get a December one. Living in San Diego I'm hoping the proximity to Tijuana will help.
Thanks garnoch/cmay for the info, made it even a possibility that I would stick it out instead of a straight return and new dlp.

I'm outside of Philly, so the Dec builds have made their way to the east coast.
post #8820 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Question for you other lotto players out there. Did you ever lose the use of your current tv for a period of time while they were replacing it?

Best buy would pick up the set I'm exchanging and drop off the new one at the same time so I would not lose the use of it.
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