Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 295

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That's good to hear.

Btw someone mentioned that higher contrast helped. Since I already had my contrast at 97 I decided to see if turning dynamic on high would be noticeable and it did appear to be harder to detect the banding when it was maxed out. Maybe it's ths reason it's hard to see in the showrooms.

im having samsung run me around with them sending out a tech to look at why the netflix on my tv aint holding the info of password and email. i have to input it constanty. they say its netflix problem and netflix says its theres. unbelievable.

So in this perspective, we are all just stressing about a dynamic future that actually does not really improve the picture, but only gives a contrast effect? I do not post regular in this thread but I'm reading along and I found this post informative. I have standard set up very close to my liking but still I experience some dynamic effects that are impossible to ignore. It makes me want to turn back to movie mode. I have some doubts now on micro dimming and I wonder if it really produces this better picture as it's supposed to do.

Any other comments on this? Is the effect of micro dimming in standard mode really worthy of activation compared to movie mode ?

I also think micro dimming is a marketing gimmik. Movie mode only for me. Most accurate. Standard is a mess for accuracy.

Movie mode looks a mess to me , unwatchable and I'm sorry but I'm not conforming to what i'm "supposed" to like according to the calibration equipment, warm2 looks like it's got jaundice. Standard mode and standard colour tone has been the best for me for the past 8 months, I've not seen one set of settings that has made me change from mine and believe me I've tried just about everything that's been posted up.

On Micro-Dimming and CE Dimming, I wrote what I still consider to be accurate info a few months back:

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I'm not sure what constitutes a marketing gimmick versus a feature, but to my mind micro dimming (and ce dimming) are features - whether you think them "good" or "helpful," or "bad" and "harmful."

a good calibrated MOVIE MODE set tv gives an better image in my opinion.
Tried every trick in the book. Also cranked up brightness in standard mode to a whopping 60 and lowered the first (calibrated) 3 values in whitebalance menu bij 14 to give a final brightness equal to 46 thuss effectivly defeated CE-dimming. (ce dimming is the backlight offswitching when the tv is presented an almost complete black screen... Very irritating and noticeable when watching movies with dark scenes. In moviemode ce dimming is inactive:D)

came very close to getting good colours in standardmode but movie mode always stayed superiour.
All efford with messing with setting to get an accetable image with standard mode just so that i could have an option (microdimming) that proved fake and not reall dimming seemd lost.

At my compagny when comparing with REAL local dimming screens the evidence became more clear. Sony hx920 and philips 9706 (both full aray) clearly dimmed lightoutput (and as an result IMPROVED image WITHOUT messing with it) while sammy's al stayed evenly lit over the intire screen totally NOT getting anywhere near the effect of a reall dimming screen.

Edge lit screens CAN effectively have TRUE local dimming. The screen isnt just lit from the edges cause this would result in a dark spot in the center and brighter edges. Every led around the frame is designated to light a particular part of the screen. Light travels there via 'tubes' frpm LED in the edge to its final location somewhere in (also the middle) of the screen.

So technically it is possible to switch of individual LEDs and thereby dimming smal sections allover the screen, ALSO center located sections.
Edited by panaman84 - 12/23/12 at 11:34am

Well of course its a feature. The way they market it is more like a gimmik. It's their way of "tricking" people that its on par with a full array local dimmer. In no way does micro dimming equal full array local dimming. Local dimming can cause blooming though but one set does it so good that blooming is non existent, and that set is the sharp elite. Their motion and voice control is also a "gimmik" feature imo as well. These are "gimmicky" features imho.

Agree 100%

I guess I just don't know how you define "gimmick" then - it seems to be simply something you don't feel is of any real value to you.

That said, I do think naming their feature "micro-dimming" is marketing speak to try and play off actual localized backlight dimming often available in full array sets. They could have called it "dynamic image enhancement" or "super awesome image goodness" or "stupid FUBARing source content." Just trying to clarify what the technology is supposedly doing since the questions seem to come up every so often.

Yeah not a fan of micro dimming. Imo its a gimmick. Movie mode for me.

A gimmick to me is something heavily advertised that serves no real purpose and they use marketing to make it seem its a big deal and does wonders. Usually it takes heavy marketing/tricking to make a gimmick succeed. (Micro dimming) we can all agree that micro dimming does not do wonders and 99% of the people in this thread are still unclear what its really doing let alone see it working.

thats exactly my point. Samsung delibertly named it dimming to trick us in thinking it is an actual backlit dimming. They misled their customers again.
Same as with the first LED models. The adverts for the B 6000, 7000 and 8000 suggested the image was acctualy build up from LEDs (boy did it take a good chuck of my work time explaning to EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER that it werent actual LED televisions). In UK a law suit followed resulting in every manufactorer having to cal their led backlit set LCD televisions " LCD'' and not LED

Samsung is vage about al their true specs: microdimming, dimming zones, ce dimming and offcourse native hz (not cmr hz). No one can tell me what the actual hz ratings for their midrange tvs is. Not even sa.msung personal seem to know. Eh/es 5**** are 50hz, es7****/8*** are 200hz. But 6100 and 6900...? Are the 100hz, are they 200hz, or is 6100 100hz and 6900 200hz? Nobody can tell fot sure and samsung keeps it in the fog...

THEY ARE MISLEADING CHAMPS!

I think you've got the same issue across brands. Samsung = Clear Motion Rate. Sony = Motion Flow. LG = TruMotion. Panasonic = Focused Field Drive. Vizio = Smooth Motion.

Personal electronics is a great big heaping mess of marketing speak. Caveat Emptor.

Right, the MD thing isn't new news. We've talked about it many times and realize there is no hardware LED dimming going on. In fact here is what is in The Guide...

Micro Dimming
"By maximizing the contrast between lights and darks, Samsung's Micro Dimming technology displays a picture that is as true-to-life as possible. Our innovative technology scans zones across the image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper dark tones and brighter whites. It also eliminates the "halo" effect and image distortion that can happen with diffused lights. The Ultimate version of this technology optimizes the quality to new heights by scanning 2x the number of zones in the image. The result is a crystal-clear picture with realistic, vivid detail and accurate color reproduction."
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES8000FXZA-features
"Ever watch a movie and find it’s hard to see an object in the background? Micro Dimming Ultimate analyzes each frame of video in hundreds of areas to optimize the LED backlight and video signal for each frame in real time. By increasing brightness in the areas of the frame that are too dark to see, an overall 20% increase in brightness is achieved and finally you can make out that zombie lurking in the dark! Along with an overall brighter picture, Micro Dimming Ultimate will also produce more vibrant and richer colors."
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/led/UN55ES8000FXZC-features
Supposedly Micro Dimming Ultimate in the 8000s has 600 zones, which is double the zones that Micro Dimming Pro has in the 7500s. This feature is on by default in all modes except Movie mode. You can't turn it on in Movie mode.

I agree with the above that Movie mode give's the best colors and most correct picture. We've talked about that too and why that is the reason MD and CE are not available in Movie mode or Cal-Day & Cal-Night. This is why calibrators have such a hard time with the other modes too. I prefer the colors in Movie too, but even though I feel I have minimal clouding, I still have less in Standard, which is why I went back to Standard once I was able to diminish CE Dimming enough. I was only able to get the color in Standard close to Movie though by not strictly adhering to what I was seeing on the WOW disc and AVS files. If I did, the picture is very bland and doesn't look anything like Movie mode. I still bounce back and forth though between Standard and Movie, but they are now close enough that the lesser of two evils for me is usually Standard with diminished CE. Because of what MD really is though, I think is why I can sometimes stand Dynamic Contrast in Movie mode but not in Standard mode - because it's like piling Dynamic Contrast on top of Dynamic Contrast. Looking at Samsung's multiple descriptions, you can also see why a lower backlight can be used in Standard for the brightest area of the picture to look as bright as a higher backlight in Movie mode. Said another way, if you had the backlight the same in Movie and Standard modes, lets say 6, the blacks (or lack of clouding) should be the same, but the lighter parts of the picture would be brighter in Standard.
Edited by Garnoch - 12/23/12 at 1:06pm

Clear post .. You confirmed my thoughts about standard and movie mode. I will try a good calibration on movie movie and compare both modes on firmware 2002.

I disagree. I find motion and voice control very convenient. To each his own.

I am a little out of the loop so i'll speak to a few items discussed.

Bolt, Motion & Voice, I agree as they are total gimmicks that I didn't even consider for a second when shopping.

MOVIE VS STANDARD MODE: Crazy thing is I have found excellent settings in both modes.....but I call that a "happy problem".

My 60" panel has zero banding. HS01 if I remember and build date is May 2012. Still on original fw 1013....and not even considering updating.

All streaming is done via my Sammy e6500 bluray player.....phenomenal performance.

For me, the voice and motion control is really useful. Specially with the remote missing 90% of the time. Either the wife has it and you want to switch channels or the kids misplaced it. For the motion control to be effective, I've set up the ambient lighting so that the camera can easily distinguish your gestures then calibrated the motion control.

Voice & Motion control is also effective if all your video sources are properly integrated on the touch remote & IR blaster. Once it's done there's no need for the other remotes. I think it's much better than a Harmony. IMHO.

Are you as well in the 99 percentile?

I have arranged a replacement for my panel that has the severe banding, should have a new panel either today or once the Christmas period is over. Hoping to get one with no (!) or minimal banding.

If I get another 65" with banding that;s more than noticeable, I'm going to bite the bullet and just get the 60" panel instead.. doubt that I'll notice the difference after a week or two anyway.. I didn't really go "WOW" in terms of size when I replaced by old 60" with the 65" to begin with.

1000

Good luck, 1000.

No the 1% I reserved for myself because I know it serves no real purpose and is just marketing fluff. Already mentioned in my previous post's

Agreed. I'm loving the Touch remote too. I've set it up control my BR player too.

As a backup, I'm also using the Samsung Smartview app on my phone. It gives me full remote control functionality for the TV.

Just got the tv yesterday but having an issue with blackish shadows on the screen. They are appearing as this purpleish color instead of black or a dark color. Not sure if this is some setting on the tv or not. This happens with factory default settings as well and on multiple sources.

P.S This was taken from a directv hd recording from hbo. The movie was in hd but my camera is ******.

Morpheus - try setting the hdmi black level to low and see if that makes the shadows black again.

That option is greyed out but i did try with component cables and it still is the same.

I've been giving some more thought to my banding dilemma with my 65" ES8000. Would I be better off down grading to a 60" ES8000, or picking up a 70" Sharp ? The sharp model they sell here is the full backlit model (no dimming technology), 100hz, non 3D variety. I've seen the sharp around the traps, looks pretty good, cheap too, same price as the 60" ES8000. Do the Sharps suffer from any of the LCD issues like banding, clouding etc ?
Edited by 1000 - 12/24/12 at 4:33am

As a dollar value the Sharp was my second choice...but I knew I'd buyer remorse over NOT having the pic quality of the 8000. I personally chose to pay more for a 60" es8000 than a 70" Quattron...

That said, it's off to work for a few hours, and then a BroMantical holiday with my es8000!!! I may even pay attention to family...

Happy Holidays everybody!!!

I'll give you an update on Wednesday evening after I get my 60" replacement for the 65". I'm in the same situation, I like the extra 5"s but can't have any banding.

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