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post #8911 of 16125
Does anyone have good 3D gaming settings for this TV? I get quite a bit of crosstalk when I push the depth while gaming on my PC. The PC is hooked up to the tv (and labled as PC input so I can have access to the checkerboard 3D option) and a Playstation 3D display which I just purchased for $130. The Playstation has much lighter crosstalk than my Samsung somehow. The game I'm using to test is Trine 2 in side by side 3d mode on each display. I have also tried checkerboard on the Samsung but crosstalk is just as prominent. Is there any hope of improvement? The only other possible cause I can think of is that My Playstation Display is hooked up through a 6ft HDMI cable and the Samsung is hooked up through a 30ft HDMI cable. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #8912 of 16125
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Originally Posted by prushing View Post

click on "view order details" and then "need to return an item?" and then you should see Return window will close on January 31, 2013
Now I'm not sure if they will honor it for TVs, but it is listed there, so they should.

Ok I see that nw. I think they are referring to when you have to actually return it by via a vis actually initiating the return....but idk
post #8913 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Your gonna have banding/uniformity issues on all edge lit lcd sets. Its the nature of the beast. For all that cannot handle it check out a plasma set or full array led such as the elite or hx950.

Reports are that there are no banding issues on the 60" version of the ES8000.... I would expect some minor uniformity issues on anything edge lit though.
I have the 60" and I see no banding.
post #8914 of 16125
Music to my ears !
post #8915 of 16125
I too have had the 60es8000 since May and zero banding, zero clouding, zero dead/stuck pixels. Only slight flash lighting in corners.
post #8916 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Your gonna have banding/uniformity issues on all edge lit lcd sets. Its the nature of the beast. For all that cannot handle it check out a plasma set or full array led such as the elite or hx950.

Not ALL edge lit LCD panels have banding/uniformity issues. Many owners, including myself, do not have these problems. It does appear the larger 65" panels are more susceptible to these problems though.
post #8917 of 16125
I'm not saying it's not out there but I have yet to hear or a 60" here with banding. Along that same line, I think every 65" talked about here has had banding, even if it was slight.
post #8918 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Cool. I'm debating on moving up to a One because my trusty old 880 has a button (well used) that is starting to stick a bit. I really like the tactile feel of buttons as opposed to a touch screen so we'll see.

Yeah, I love new tech so the Harmony Touch and all the options for phones and tablets were interesting but I need the tactile feel too. I don't want to have to look at the remote.
post #8919 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Fleetski View Post

I too have had the 60es8000 since May and zero banding, zero clouding, zero dead/stuck pixels. Only slight flash lighting in corners.

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Originally Posted by rkleffelm View Post

I too have had the 60es8000 since May and zero banding, zero clouding, zero dead/stuck pixels. Only slight flash lighting in corners.

Are you two the same person?
post #8920 of 16125
I'm not sure what's up with rkleffelm, but he's posted the below statement randomly at least 4 times, and I don't think only in this thread.....

"Yeah, I was planning to do that recently. If the changes stay out to long, I will contact them. While doing that I will try to get some info on the microdimming also, but I think I will not succeed because many of you already tried it a several times on different contact levels. But what you say sounds logical, and is probably the reason why I do not see the changes yet. So I'm going to be patient for a while, and hope to see a better performance soon."
Edited by Garnoch - 12/27/12 at 7:29am
post #8921 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I'm not sure what's up with rkleffelm, but he's posted the below statement randomely at least 4 times, and I don't think only in this thread.....

"Yeah, I was planning to do that recently. If the changes stay out to long, I will contact them. While doing that I will try to get some info on the microdimming also, but I think I will not succeed because many of you already tried it a several times on different contact levels. But what you say sounds logical, and is probably the reason why I do not see the changes yet. So I'm going to be patient for a while, and hope to see a better performance soon."

He's probably a Bot then.
post #8922 of 16125
My 65" has no banding either. My november build I got direct from samsung has no flashlighting even with backlight at 20 and no clouding. Its also darker than any other build I looked at. The screen does look different than the august build. It looks less reflective and less glossy. I think think the panel I got is using a different screen or filter to block a lot more light bleed from the leds. Explains the no flash lighting. One of my buddies came over and thought it was full array.

I also looked at a 55 and 60, both looked noticeably worse than my november 65" build.
post #8923 of 16125
NO banding at all? I thought it was slight? Yours is the first 65" with zero banding in this thread to my knowledge then.
post #8924 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

My november build I got direct from samsung has no flashlighting even with backlight at 20 and no clouding. Its also darker than any other build I looked at. The screen does look different than the august build. It looks less reflective and less glossy. I think think the panel I got is using a different screen or filter to block a lot more light bleed from the leds. Explains the no flash lighting.

My ES7100, October build was direct from Samsung and also flashlighting, clouding and banding free.

It looks very reflective and glossy - I like both.

My D6900 looked less reflective and less glossy and had no "pop" - it looked dull.
post #8925 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

NO banding at all? I thought it was slight? Yours is the first 65" with zero banding in this thread to my knowledge then.

No doubt he would have the first. Go figure
post #8926 of 16125
I have contacts at Samsung, im not just a customer to them. I seriously think they sent me a special cherry picked panel.

+1 for being in the industry.

CES in 2 weeks!
post #8927 of 16125
Hey.... my cherry picked panel came straight from Samsung too. And I'm not even in the industry. Go figure

+1 for not being in the industry
post #8928 of 16125
Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.



Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.

I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.

Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.

Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.
post #8929 of 16125
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Just finished Up. Glasses are slightly heavier than the ones supplied with the TV. Pairing the glasses was similar as well. As I stated earlier, they fit over my glasses and were quite comfortable and didn't have to constantly adjust them.
I don't believe there was any improvement over the supplied ones, but these glasses made watching a 3D movie much more enjoyable. If you are a person who wears glasses and hates the standard ones, I highly recommend these ones. They are a little pricey but they fit better and they are rechargeable which makes them more a good value imo.

Rewatched UP yesterday with the glasses that came with the TV. I can honestly say that I will/could never wear those ones again. They are horrible and don't work right for anyone with glasses. I highly recommend the glasses I posted earlier for anyone that needs glasses to watch TV.
post #8930 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.

Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.
I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.
Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.
Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.

That pic looks terrible! Definitely a return. The vt50 will not disappoint my friend! You will be in good hands with that panel. Good choice! Come on over to the vt50 thread for more.

I will have ti grab my good camera from work and get some shots of my 65 es8000.
post #8931 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.

Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.
I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.
Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.
Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.

What exactly was their reason for not repairing the TV? Hopefully you won't have any problems with the new one that's coming.
post #8932 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

What exactly was their reason for not repairing the TV? Hopefully you won't have any problems with the new one that's coming.

You know its funny. Im not even sure. They sent me an email asking me to send a photo of the screen issue. I sent them it yesterday and then this morning I got an email from them saying that my service request was cancelled/rejected and If I felt there was an error to contact Samsung. They never even explicitly said why. So then I went straight to amazon and saw the vt50 was on sale and the 65 was pretty much the same price as the es8000 60 and the rest you know.
post #8933 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.

Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.
I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.
Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.
Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.

Hey - - you got my earlier panel! Very sorry to hear of your experience. Amazon is a life saver, though. Best of luck on the new VT50 - - I hope it works out for you.

I'm firmly convinced that technology aside, manufacturing problems are the real culprit for the majority of the problems with these TV's.

Case in point - - check out the Sony HX950 thread and complaints about bad pixels, banding and poor customer service. And you have folks who have had bad experiences with the VT50 (not trying to rain on your parade - I hope you get a great set!) with dithering, dull picture, IR and heat issues - - looking to try the Sony set.

And of course, you have the complaints about the Sammy sets with VB and other issues. Do any companies have any pride in manufacturing these days? It must be low cost, low cost, low cost production - - but I can't believe that this is profitable with all the returns and problems across the industry.

Lastly - - the image you showed is representative of a lot of Sammy sets. BUT....some have it far worse that others! Is this where the LED's are located? Why do some sets have very mild or no banding, yet other Sammy sets (like my second one) have the same vertical streaks that severely affect viewing enjoyment that yours had?

Not trying to solve world peace here but is it all about panel lotto and that's it???
post #8934 of 16125
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Are you two the same person?

Nope. rkleffelm must be a bot.
post #8935 of 16125
By the way, where's Nitra? Vanished with the Mayan apocalypse?
post #8936 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.

Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.
I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.
Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.
Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.

Sorry things didn't work out. Stay in touch.
post #8937 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

That pic looks terrible! Definitely a return. The vt50 will not disappoint my friend! You will be in good hands with that panel. Good choice! Come on over to the vt50 thread for more.
I will have ti grab my good camera from work and get some shots of my 65 es8000.

You mean you actually post in the VT thread?
post #8938 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I don't think you need to return it. The way you have it setup, you need to make sure ARC is turned on in the AVR, and I believe Anynet on the TV, and make sure you are using HDMI 2 on the TV because that is that one that is ARC capable. Then you have to make sure you are selecting the input that the AVR needs to see in order to use ARC. Another way would be to run an Optical cable from the TV's Optical output to an Optical input on the AVR. Nice to hear you got a good 65" - congrats and good luck!
post #8939 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well it looks like I won't be able to share before and after photos afterall. My choices just got easier. The service center just rejected the replacement once they heard what the reason was. Here's a quick snapshot of how my tv looks now.

Since I just don't have the time to go through the back and forth, I just contacted amazon and they are of course awesome! They have a special on the vt50 that makes it a couple hundred dollars cheaper and they are going to drop that one off when they pick this one up next week.
I wanted to go back to DLP but the wife put her foot down since they are too ugly - which I agree with of course. So I got buy in with the fam that they are going to have to relearn how they treat the tv when they pause etc. I'm sure I'll have an IR problem one day that I'll have to fix, but at least I can fix it. And atleast I dont have five rather large black bars preburnt into the screen. I'm going to miss the punch and the amazing 3d, but for me, I really only watch movies when I get home from the office late at night anyhow. Thank you fellow owners for the wealth of knowledge and getting me this far.
Special thanks to Garnoch, Cmay, Rico, Jester, Ops Guy, Needis, 1000, prushing, prusat (sp?) for all the information.
Extra special thanks to Turboman123 for the kick ass color settings. Not only will I miss your expertise with the new tv, but I'm inspired to be done with it and just hire an ISF professional to come calibrate it.

The VT50 is a great set, especially if you are going to be watching in dim lighting or in the dark. But remember, they have their own set of problems as well. The abnormal buzzing will be the first thing you will want to check for as many of the sets will buzz so loud that it can be heard from over 10 ft away and drown out the TV volume if not played at high enough levels. They have a number of threads dedicated just to the buzzing issue. Also check for dead pixels. There will be a vertical band on the far right hand side. It is normal as it is caused by the VT50s power source. The VT50s are very vulnerable to IR, so really be careful for the first 100 or so hours. The ARC on the glass panel scratches very easily. Even a fingernail will put a nasty scratch on it....it even says in the owners manual to not hit your fingernail across the screen. Last but not least, the VT50 does exhibit alot more 3D crosstalk then the ES8000.

Again, I can't overstate this enough...... make sure you get a panel that does not buzz abnormally loud. If you can hear it buzz from more than a few feet away, it is a problem and from many of the threads the buzzing gets louder over time if you have a defective "buzzer".
post #8940 of 16125
After spending countless hours reading through the thread from the beginning, I decided to take a plunge on this TV. I'm hoping that I'll get a good set with no clouding or vertical banding. Keeping my fingers crossed. Will be picking it up after work at Best Buy and scaring the wife with it when I get home.smile.gif
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