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post #9241 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

It's all marketing fluff. It's what Samsung is good at. The Evo kit is a complete joke IMHO. Kind of like their ES9000 for 10 grand. ( a 75 inch D8000)

And, you know this for a fact, how? Please give the constant Samsung bashing a rest...
post #9242 of 16125
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

And, you know this for a fact, how? Please give the constant Samsung bashing a rest...

+1. How can anyone claim that it's a complete joke, when it hasn't even been released yet and no one here knows what it will or will not do? Is it possible to have an opinion on the unknown?
post #9243 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

+1. How can anyone claim that it's a complete joke, when it hasn't even been released yet and no one here knows what it will or will not do? Is it possible to have an opinion on the unknown?

Whoops, sorry, should have put IMO. I will go back and edit my post.
post #9244 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Whoops, sorry, should have put IMO. I will go back and edit my post.

How do you have an opinion on something you know nothing about? Do you have some inside knowledge about this unreleased upgrade that the rest of us don't have? If so, please let us in on exactly what this upgrade will and will not do.
post #9245 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

How do you have an opinion on something you know nothing about? Do you have some inside knowledge about this unreleased upgrade that the rest of us don't have? If so, please let us in on exactly what this upgrade will and will not do.
Anyone but me have a feeling Mr. Bolt is holed up in his parents' basement with a Wii and an old CRT?
post #9246 of 16125
I edited my original post. It's my opinion I think its all Marketing fluff. according to the article you will need it to get the new smarthub interface. Why? Probably because it runs on a quad core processor setup. I have not seen one or heard much of it, but just the idea is a little strange and odd to me. What other "expansion" was successful in any electronics? Game consoles use to have those expansion ports and most of them were never used and things like sega CD and 32X failed miserably.

So in my opinion I think its a complete joke and is all marketing hype/fluff. It's also my opinion I think Samsung used it heavily as a selling point on the ES models. Why I call it marketing fluff and more or less a "Marketing Gimmik"

This is just my opinion as of right now, I may change my mind once I find out what it really does.


Cheers!smile.gif
post #9247 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Anyone but me have a feeling Mr. Bolt is holed up in his parents' basement with a Wii and an old CRT?

+1
post #9248 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

How do you have an opinion on something you know nothing about? Do you have some inside knowledge about this unreleased upgrade that the rest of us don't have? If so, please let us in on exactly what this upgrade will and will not do.

+1
post #9249 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I wonder if this has to do with an interlaced picture source or possibly 720 vs. 1080. I just checked my TV and I don't have what appears to be a missing row, or unused row of pixels. My AVR is up-converting everything to 1080P though. So, I wonder if it's simply a stuck pixel in the row of pixels that would be used with a progressive or 1080 picture source. If that's the case, then the pixel flipper could fix it as long as the tool is using 1080P, which the bluray disc would be using.

im pretty sure its more likely a puncture (defect) that happened during manufacturing than a pixel. But in either case, it doesn't belong there and is a defect.
post #9250 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

im pretty sure its more likely a puncture (defect) that happened during manufacturing than a pixel. But in either case, it doesn't belong there and is a defect.

It's definitely a stuck green pixel that may or may not be fixed using a pixel flipper on the screen. If that's all that's wrong with the panel, I'd personally try to fix it before going through the exchange process and possibly getting something with more problems. That's just me though...
post #9251 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

It's definitely a stuck green pixel that may or may not be fixed using a pixel flipper on the screen. If that's all that's wrong with the panel, I'd personally try to fix it before going through the exchange process and possibly getting something with more problems. That's just me though...

That's all fine, but why would you think he'd be risking getting another 55 inch with more problems? He's already got worse than a dead pixel as it is. Only advice I can give is what some other wise person said. You paid a lot of money; don't feel like you have to settle with what you got.
post #9252 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

That's all fine, but why would you think he'd be risking getting another 55 inch with more problems? He's already got worse than a dead pixel as it is. Only advice I can give is what some other wise person said. You paid a lot of money; don't feel like you have to settle with what you got.

If he has other problems with the set, then yes, he should get another one.
post #9253 of 16125
I would exchange a tv for any defects. Even if I had a scratch on the screen that could only be seen when the set is off. 2k for a tv and it better not have any defects, or its going back for an exchange. My contacts ensure me I get perfect sets. I deal direct with the manufactures. They know I dont settle for defects. my es8000 is one of a kind with no flash lighting or clouding with back light at 20.
post #9254 of 16125
I've had my 65"ES8000 for a week now and have been playing with various settings I saw on this post. I'm impressed by the colors and detail I see on the unit. I posted a picture of the vertical banding. I've checked for other defects such as flash-lighting, clouding, and dead pixels. I don't seem to see any of it. My unit was manufactured in October 2012 with panel AH01.

I'm trying to figure out whether I should exchange the TV. Since the panel code can been seen on the tv box, I'm hoping to try to get a Nov or Dec build with MH-02 panel. I'm also worried that I might have more issues with the new one as well. Having a dilemma now!
post #9255 of 16125
My 65" ES8000 just went back to the service center today for the second time, but this time was a new service center-I refused the first SC to come back into my house. The issue again this time is vertical banding, and a too dark picture in dark scenes with all enhancements set to off.
The two who picked up my set could not believe the amount of vertical banding present, and it made me feel a little better, because the SC who replaced the original panel said it was OK, and they refused to replace it again. Glad I demanded a different SC this time around. They also got a look at how my TV goes from just right brightness, to being way too dark in some scenes. They actually knew about CE dimming and micro dimming, which surprised me. This dark issue just started about 2 weeks ago, and seems to be hit or miss, so hopefully they can find out what the issue is.
post #9256 of 16125
Does anyone know how to play WMV2 files on the ES8000? Or, is it not possible at all?
post #9257 of 16125
It looks like they are going all out with the Evo kit this year. Besides for some possible minor aesthetic changes in the new 8000 series sets, with the Evo upgrade our '12 sets may very well be the equal to whatever they announce as the flagship LED for '13. And with that being the case, I don't see it being less than $299 US for the Evo kit and quite possibly more

I'm increasingly convinced that the 2013 sets will be the first Quad Core "Super" Smart TV's based on what they have said the Evo upgrade will be. And I seriously doubt they will reintroduce any hardware dimming to a new 8000 series, but perhaps release a more affordable 8500 or 9000 series with edge lit local dimming

It's all conjecture at this point, but it's exciting to hear some new things being talked about for a change. 6 days until we know the complete details. I can't say I could justify the Evo purchase if it's more than $300. If it's a success then there may very well be another kit in 2014
post #9258 of 16125
Question for those that still have this problem. But was there ever a solution to the smart hub 1 frame flicker that happens once you turn the TV on? I get it shortly after I turn the TV on each time its not super annoying but keeps making me wonder what the heck is going on and if its been fixed.


The other thing I was curious about is whether or not anyone has found out anything definitive on the new US01 panel people are mentioning is coming with there sets? Are these Samsung made? For those that have gotten panel replacements for there TS01 are you noticing a huge difference?
post #9259 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Good Idea, but dont really feel like messing with my setup at this time. With CES coming up, I'm pretty tied up from doing any calibration's at this time. Very busy time for work the next few weeks. Maybe when things start to slow down. I really don't think we need to prove to anyone this. It's common sense. I've calibrated many sets that use other peoples settings and got their TV's looking much much better. So much better they were completely blown away by the results. I stand by everything I said, that is using someone else s settings is far from what a actual calibration can accomplish, Especially putting someone Else's 10p White balance in, Completely pointless and in most cases can make the image look worse. It's funny when I hear people say I used so and so's settings and it looks GREAT! the issue with that is, is that they never saw a actual calibrated set. That's why I say people will be surprised at the results from a proper calibrated set compared to what they "thought" looked good. All I am trying to say is that nothing beats a actual calibration and sometimes using other peoples calibration can make the image worse, Especially when messing with 10p white balance which requires a meter to get right.

hello Bolt,
Ok, let me know when things slowed down if you are still interested in doing this little experiment.
Presently I am also tied up. With a new PC I assembled and which is crashing a lot. Want to sort that out first.
post #9260 of 16125
Yeah maybe when things slow down a little. Keep in touch.
post #9261 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Riftburn View Post

Question for those that still have this problem. But was there ever a solution to the smart hub 1 frame flicker that happens once you turn the TV on? I get it shortly after I turn the TV on each time its not super annoying but keeps making me wonder what the heck is going on and if its been fixed.
The other thing I was curious about is whether or not anyone has found out anything definitive on the new US01 panel people are mentioning is coming with there sets? Are these Samsung made? For those that have gotten panel replacements for there TS01 are you noticing a huge difference?

So far there is nothing that has fixed the Smart Hub flicker unless you turn off networking on the TV. I believe someone mentioned that getting rid of it. Even so, that's a band aid and not a fix. We're all assuming a future update to either the Smart Hub software or the TVs firmware will fix it. We in the U.S. have been expecting an update, but nothing as of yet.

From what I understand, all the panels are made by Samsung except for the 60", which are made by Sharp. If there are some new panels being made for the 60", I'm not sure anyone knows if they're still being made by Sharp or not.
post #9262 of 16125
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Originally Posted by terry1hockeyfan View Post

Does anyone know how to play WMV2 files on the ES8000? Or, is it not possible at all?

I think Samsung's decoder doesn't support the WMV2 Codec, you'll have to either manually transcode the file or use a DLNA Media Server that does it on the fly
post #9263 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

It looks like they are going all out with the Evo kit this year. Besides for some possible minor aesthetic changes in the new 8000 series sets, with the Evo upgrade our '12 sets may very well be the equal to whatever they announce as the flagship LED for '13. And with that being the case, I don't see it being less than $299 US for the Evo kit and quite possibly more
I'm increasingly convinced that the 2013 sets will be the first Quad Core "Super" Smart TV's based on what they have said the Evo upgrade will be. And I seriously doubt they will reintroduce any hardware dimming to a new 8000 series, but perhaps release a more affordable 8500 or 9000 series with edge lit local dimming
It's all conjecture at this point, but it's exciting to hear some new things being talked about for a change. 6 days until we know the complete details. I can't say I could justify the Evo purchase if it's more than $300. If it's a success then there may very well be another kit in 2014

This is a decent read. It doesn't really say anything more than what you mentioned, but it sure sounds like this stuff is not just rumor, but has been confirmed:

http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/vg-sek1000-smart-evolution/4505-6475_7-35560465.html

Apparently the Evo upgrade kit will provide the exact same CPU, GPU and memory upgrades that the new TVs will have. It will also update the GUI so it matches that of the new TVs. The voice and gesture controls are supposed to be improved and updated. They also mention that Samsung has said that "the kit will continue to be made available "years down the road" so buyers can keep re-upping, if they want". Finally, they mentioned that it should be between $200 and $300 dollars for the kit. So far that all sounds pretty decent.

I have a feeling the new TVs will have some other software related features that our TVs cannot do now, but will be able to do with the upgrade kit. I'm not sure what that may be, but it sure would give a little extra incentive to want to upgrade. They aren't going announce any of those things until the new TVs are announced along with the new features, so we'll have to wait and see.
Edited by Jestered - 1/2/13 at 5:27pm
post #9264 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

I edited my original post. It's my opinion I think its all Marketing fluff. according to the article you will need it to get the new smarthub interface. Why? Probably because it runs on a quad core processor setup. I have not seen one or heard much of it, but just the idea is a little strange and odd to me. What other "expansion" was successful in any electronics? Game consoles use to have those expansion ports and most of them were never used and things like sega CD and 32X failed miserably.
So in my opinion I think its a complete joke and is all marketing hype/fluff. It's also my opinion I think Samsung used it heavily as a selling point on the ES models. Why I call it marketing fluff and more or less a "Marketing Gimmik"
This is just my opinion as of right now, I may change my mind once I find out what it really does.
Cheers!smile.gif
Bolt, you keep mentioning this "shootout" video to extol Plasmas (hence, the VT50). You also mentioned that the Samsung rep was making sense when explaining why people choose LEDs over Plasmas. On the same token, please note that the same Samsung rep explains the benefits of Smart evolution. So, why listen to one thing he says and not the other?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3udlJZDJQ3w

Selective intake of information on your part, I guess ...
post #9265 of 16125
I need to catch up a little but the Evo kit for between $200 and $300 I might do. More than $300 and I doubt it. Even for $200 though, if all I get is a fast web and SmartHub experience, I doubt I'd do it. If it helps with the picture, that's a different story. Either way, I'm at least very interested to se what they announce. I can't wait to get my hands on one of those portrait mode TVs haha.
post #9266 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I need to catch up a little but the Evo kit for between $200 and $300 I might do. More than $300 and I doubt it. Even for $200 though, if all I get is a fast web and SmartHub experience, I doubt I'd do it. If it helps with the picture, that's a different story. Either way, I'm at least very interested to se what they announce. I can't wait to get my hands on one of those portrait mode TVs haha.
I'd pay up to $500 if it upgrades the CPU & GPU. Will make the Smart TV experience even better.
post #9267 of 16125
For me, the Evo kit has to deliver an upgrade in picture quality or I won't buy it. If it does i would spend up to 400 if not more. I do all Hub lifting from my Sammy e6500 and that won't change
...heck I still haven't upgraded the FW from 1013.
post #9268 of 16125
Why does the 75" 9000 cost so much more than the 65" 8000? I'd like to upgrade from my 9 year old 63" DLP and it sure would be nice to get the max size i can use on that credenza! But the price? Zowee! That hurts bad!
post #9269 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

For me, the Evo kit has to deliver an upgrade in picture quality or I won't buy it. If it does i would spend up to 400 if not more. I do all Hub lifting from my Sammy e6500 and that won't change
...heck I still haven't upgraded the FW from 1013.

Agreed. I dont buy a tv for "smart features" thats what ps3 xbox and blu ray player is for. I buy a tv for picture quality rather than gimmicky smart features. If it doesn't improve the picture its worthless to me.
post #9270 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

For me, the Evo kit has to deliver an upgrade in picture quality or I won't buy it. If it does i would spend up to 400 if not more. I do all Hub lifting from my Sammy e6500 and that won't change
...heck I still haven't upgraded the FW from 1013.

Same. I really just don't use the smart features. I didn't buy the TV for them or for 3D - yet I've been impressed with the 3D.
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