Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 314

Originally Posted by mo949 

Diversity of opinion is important in this community. If you think someone is a troll, just ignore them and don't get tempted to engage in the game they want to play with you - Pretty simple imo. The trolls and cheerleaders do add value if even one person doing their research comes and looks at both sides of the argument because of them and then makes an educated purchase. Maybe I have too much faith in people but I believe most are smart enough to weigh credibility and see through the trolls and cheerleaders in a thread, especially the ones that would go out of their way to research in an audio video science forum about a tv.

Originally Posted by arenaman 

Trolls add nothing but hassle, I've seen it a thousand times.

Originally Posted by vartaxe 

hi,
mine ue65es8000 is finally being delivered tomorrow!
i hope it doesn´t suffers from any "issue"...
still don´t know if it´s a ue65ES8000sxzf or ue65ES8000sxxn tough xD (don´t even know whats the differences between does 2 sets)
does someone found picture calibration settings for it?
thanks for sharing

Originally Posted by Op's Guy 

You do the same and block me. Please no more PM's

Originally Posted by vartaxe 

hi,
mine ue65es8000 is finally being delivered tomorrow!
i hope it doesn´t suffers from any "issue"...
still don´t know if it´s a ue65ES8000sxzf or ue65ES8000sxxn tough xD (don´t even know whats the differences between does 2 sets)
does someone found picture calibration settings for it?
thanks for sharing

Originally Posted by Jestered 

Ha! Your response about the PM had me a little confused, but I think I completely understand now. I just got one too! Any suspicions I had have been 100% confirmed!
Bolt5362

Originally Posted by Jestered 

Ha! Your response about the PM had me a little confused, but I think I completely understand now. I just got one too! Any suspicions I had have been 100% confirmed!
Bolt5362

Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin 

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the replys.
Sounds like you Guys are well ahead in terms of the banding issue, UK just catching up and possible more apparent on the 65" panel and think less of those sell in the UK.
I do not think banding is something you have to live with on an LCD / LED.
I have a series 6 Samsung bought a few months ago in our dining room and that is perfect.
Also have a Sony in the bedroom and that is fine too.
On a flagship tv like the Series 8 is, there is no way you should have to make any compromises.
I must admit, I was close to jumping ship and and looking at the Panasonic VT-50 plasma (and may still have to if my replacement does not cure the problem) but I am generally really pleased with the pictures the Samsung can produce and want to stick with LED if I can, as plasma does have strengths and I previously had 2 x Fujitsu's which were superb but .... LED you don't have to worry about Image retention, noisy fans etc.
Get an 8000 spot on and I think it will be one great TV !
I have been assured the new panel will cure the problem so singers crossed.

Originally Posted by thebignewt 

You lost me. I think in order to see if the Eco is working you must turn down the minimum BL setting in a dark room and the picture should get dimmer, because in a dark room the TV will drift darker toward the minimum setting if Eco is working. I mean you could set it at 1 and really tell if it works. You'd have to have a cave though. Bolt, you wanna try this in the cave dude?

Originally Posted by mo949 

I thought I would share this review of the es8000 that I have bookmarked. It was one of the ones that really made my decision to hit purchase easy.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1336393657
The pictures look amazing, no banding. Even further towards the bottom the reviewer takes a picture in a dark room to show that there is ZERO clouding and flashlighting - an impressive picture that made my purchase even easier.
The part that I didn't realize before buying my 65 incher was that the review being based on the 46 inch version wasn't comparable - not even remotely. I'll bet that reviewer could not take similar pictures of any 65 inch panel out there.

Originally Posted by Jestered 

I don't see anything in those pictures that wouldn't look the same on my 65" ES8000. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the few lucky ones compared to most other 65" owners in this thread. Now, if that reviewer had put up some solid colored screens (lighter colors) then there may be a difference, but not from those pics. I got lucky with the banding issue too, but after calibrating it, I never see it unless I'm looking for it and even then it's barely visible. I believe the 65"ers are going to have some level of vertical banding though, while it seems you can get the other sizes with little to no banding at all.

Originally Posted by Jestered 

I don't see anything in those pictures that wouldn't look the same on my 65" ES8000. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the few lucky ones compared to most other 65" owners in this thread. Now, if that reviewer had put up some solid colored screens (lighter colors) then there may be a difference, but not from those pics. I got lucky with the banding issue too, but after calibrating it, I never see it unless I'm looking for it and even then it's barely visible. I believe the 65"ers are going to have some level of vertical banding though, while it seems you can get the other sizes with little to no banding at all.

Originally Posted by sympathetik 

What Garnoch means is that if your Backlight is set to 13 and your ECO is set to 6, for example. Now if you change your backlight from 13 to 12 at night, instead of the screen becoming dimmer, you'll notice that there will be a significant increase in screen brightness because ECO will be switched to OFF everytime you adjust the BL. What's acatually happening is that your screen BL changes from x~6 to x=12.
Take note that you have to reactivate ECO everytime you change BL.

Originally Posted by mo949 

You are only talking about the banding. And yes I agree that although your's is visible, unlike in the review i might add, yours would be acceptable to me. If you can take a pic in movie mode of a black screen in a completely dark room from that side angle that would reveal light bleed and achieve his last pic that would be mission impossible imo.

Originally Posted by Bolt989 

If I can take my colleagues Camera home tonight (Nikon), I will take some really good photos of my set with slides. I got a pretty good panel, but I can still see banding on slides and sports like golf, soccer, football or hockey. I am happy though my panel has no flash lighting in the corners or the V shaped cloud at the bottom.

Originally Posted by ruegway 

Let me start this post by stating that i understand al LED/LCD backlit TV's will have some degree of banding-I have no issue with this. My 65" is in the service center at this very moment for vertical banding for the second time. First time, the panel was replaced, the replacement panel was slightly better, but still had significant banding, really noticeable on golf, any sky shot, football at times, and any single color screen. That in itself is an issue, but I could live with that. The problem comes in when the scene pans, and the vertical banding stays in the same place-it makes the picture look horrible.
The service center calls about 11:00, and informs me that they sent pictures to Samsung, and the Panel evaluation team stated the bands were within their specifications, and that Samsung was denying a new panel-I laughed out loud at that. The Samsung tech who worked on my television said that the banding was among the worst he has ever seen, and couldn't believe the decision.
I immediately phoned Samsung, and of course, i went through 4 separate support people, including 2 from the ECR (which is their escalated case department)--the first ECR person got the service center to send more pictures, and the second was very, very helpful with my case. The second pictures arrived, and the 2nd ECR person actually gasped when she saw the second set of pictures-they looked much worse than the first set of pictures. I know I had to take 4 or 5 shots when I submitted the original photos, until i had one that I thought really showed the issue. I asked her if she would purchase a TV that looked like that, and she said she would be really mad if her TV looked like that-this is on a static image--they should see it when the camera pans!
She is going to send the pictures to her immediate boss, and they are going to be evaluated by some people higher up the food chain, at least that was what I was told.
Funny thing is, I asked all 4 people I talked with to give authorization for a new panel, or refund my money. The first three told me they could not do either one, because the panel department had determined there was nothing wrong with the TV-so no refund, and no new panel because the panel department had determined my TV was within specifications-kind of a circular argument, if you ask me. The 2nd very helpful ECR rep was at least willing to work with me a little, and believe me, that goes a long way to soothing a complaint, when everyone else seems to not give a hoot.
I am not a complainer, never have been, and I don't remember when I have been this upset. I dont know yet what the outcome is, as I have not heard from the service center again, but remain hopeful. I am absolutely going to send a message, with photos, to Mr. Kim, voicing my displeasure with his panel group, and their decision, and the inflexibility of 3/4 of the people I talked with today. I am going to praise the 2nd ECR tech I talked with(I have her name and direct line), because, she did a hell of job, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by arenaman 

If you can see banding on the golf and football (soccer) then it's a duff panel, thought you had a cherry picked one gift wrapped with a big bow on it compliments of Samsung? Maybe not then.

Originally Posted by ksat3 

Guys and gals and nuts and bolts,
As some of you know I have usually remiained a silent observer but every so often I can't resist chiming in, even though it just adds to what frustrates me in the first place.
I have been reading this thread for a very long time, months before I pulled the trigger recently on my ES8000. Obviously my bias leans that way because I am so happy with it so take my posts with the same grain as everyone else's. The problem i keep noticing here lies with that fact is that there are many of us feeling the same way who don't bother to ever post -- and it does get frustrating when an obvious plasma loyalist keeps posting in an equally obvious way of appearing to remain neutral while trying to convince readers that maybe 6 owners actually bought a working 8000 and the rest are flawed so don't bother.
Bolt, the problem I notice is this: the forum is filled with questions/problems and helpful solutions or at least constructive suggestions. From what I can see your posts typically say "that's what you get, I'm not surprised" and "while all tvs can be flawed, plasmas are always less flawed". These are perfectly fine responses. Once, maybe twice. But to me it seems like you spend time trying to craft the same general "plasma's rule, led's drool" response but word it slightly different. People don't need this as much as they need actual advice, they can easily learn your opinion from your first 100 posts. I am typically glad to read your posts, but when they come rapid-fire it annoys me, too, because while you can pull out sentences that are neutral-sounding, the underlying opinion is crystal clear and I fear for those who are new and don't have time to read the entire thread.
I am impressed with the patience and advice of so many posters here and I admire them for wanting to help. True, I rarely offer my advice or assistance so maybe Bolt is a better member than I am here. I keep returning for the new tips and solutions that keep popping up. I've learned a ton that I wouldn't know any other way.

Originally Posted by Bolt989 

With no flash lighting and clouding it was a keeper. The banding is very faint and hardly noticeable, but with my trained eye I can still see it. My wife said she cannot. But then again, I do test TV's for a living and I know exactly what to look for. I can crank my back light up to 20 with no visible flash lighting or V shaped cloud. The earlier builds I tested looked awful in comparison to the November build I took home.

Originally Posted by ksat3 

Guys and gals and nuts and bolts,
As some of you know I have usually remiained a silent observer but every so often I can't resist chiming in, even though it just adds to what frustrates me in the first place.
I have been reading this thread for a very long time, months before I pulled the trigger recently on my ES8000. Obviously my bias leans that way because I am so happy with it so take my posts with the same grain as everyone else's. The problem i keep noticing here lies with that fact is that there are many of us feeling the same way who don't bother to ever post -- and it does get frustrating when an obvious plasma loyalist keeps posting in an equally obvious way of appearing to remain neutral while trying to convince readers that maybe 6 owners actually bought a working 8000 and the rest are flawed so don't bother.
Bolt, the problem I notice is this: the forum is filled with questions/problems and helpful solutions or at least constructive suggestions. From what I can see your posts typically say "that's what you get, I'm not surprised" and "while all tvs can be flawed, plasmas are always less flawed". These are perfectly fine responses. Once, maybe twice. But to me it seems like you spend time trying to craft the same general "plasma's rule, led's drool" response but word it slightly different. People don't need this as much as they need actual advice, they can easily learn your opinion from your first 100 posts. I am typically glad to read your posts, but when they come rapid-fire it annoys me, too, because while you can pull out sentences that are neutral-sounding, the underlying opinion is crystal clear and I fear for those who are new and don't have time to read the entire thread.
I am impressed with the patience and advice of so many posters here and I admire them for wanting to help. True, I rarely offer my advice or assistance so maybe Bolt is a better member than I am here. I keep returning for the new tips and solutions that keep popping up. I've learned a ton that I wouldn't know any other way.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

Ha I know that number. He's still very much a Samsung LCD guy though - Definitely not Bolt.

Originally Posted by arenaman 

I feel for you mate, email and send photos to the CEO and hound Samsung's FB and twitter accounts. Kick up a big stink, that's what I do with these big companies and it always gets a result.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

Yep, always. I said this before but my favorite personal story was after having issues getting a part for our KitchenAid dishwasher, we posted the whole story on Facebook, not even on their page - it was my wife's personal page. In less than 24 hours, KA contacted my wife in a PM on FB and we had the part like in a day. We're not even sure how they saw our FB complaint. It was weird and awesome.