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post #9391 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Diversity of opinion is important in this community. If you think someone is a troll, just ignore them and don't get tempted to engage in the game they want to play with you - Pretty simple imo. The trolls and cheerleaders do add value if even one person doing their research comes and looks at both sides of the argument because of them and then makes an educated purchase. Maybe I have too much faith in people but I believe most are smart enough to weigh credibility and see through the trolls and cheerleaders in a thread, especially the ones that would go out of their way to research in an audio video science forum about a tv.

Trolls add nothing but hassle, I've seen it a thousand times.
post #9392 of 16125
Let me chime in if I may. Let's not go all flame war here. Let's not go Microsoft vs Apple, Blackberry vs iPhone. Bolt's made a number of good comments here and claims to have a good ES8000 that he uses daily. That tells me something. He uses the "uniformity" term a lot wrt LEDs and claims plasma are uniform. Which makes some sense because they have no backlight. But it's backlighting that makes LEDs look better to most of us. Brighter=better. As for the "lack of uniformity" I think it's overblown personally. I cannot see it in my TV and I bought mine in October. I'm not saying that if I put some hairbrained pattern up there and got out a solar telescope someone couldn't find something but IMO a lot of that stuff is more cerebral than truly visual. But brighter isn't cerebral at all. Until recently LED screens couldn't be made big enough but now they can. There's a reason most people buy them over plasma, and it's not because people are ignorant. So let's give it a rest.
post #9393 of 16125
Found this on YouTube.. "Evolution Kit".... A quick peek of what is under the rear covers label;

http://youtu.be/HbLJ-KGUphA
post #9394 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Trolls add nothing but hassle, I've seen it a thousand times.

Amen.

Flaming here?? Should we all go over to the Plasma threads and when someone complains about how bad their Plasma set is (experience), immediately post numerous messages extolling the virtues of LCD/LED's, tell them what a mistake they've made and they should have bought a Sammy set, ad nauseam?

No one does that without an agenda, period.
post #9395 of 16125
hi,

mine ue65es8000 is finally being delivered tomorrow! biggrin.gif
i hope it doesn´t suffers from any "issue"...
still don´t know if it´s a ue65ES8000sxzf or ue65ES8000sxxn tough xD (don´t even know whats the differences between does 2 sets)
does someone found picture calibration settings for it?

thanks for sharing
post #9396 of 16125
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Originally Posted by vartaxe View Post

hi,
mine ue65es8000 is finally being delivered tomorrow! biggrin.gif
i hope it doesn´t suffers from any "issue"...
still don´t know if it´s a ue65ES8000sxzf or ue65ES8000sxxn tough xD (don´t even know whats the differences between does 2 sets)
does someone found picture calibration settings for it?
thanks for sharing

Congrats! Hope you like it man, keep us posted.


Cheers!smile.gif
post #9397 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

You do the same and block me. Please no more PM's

Ha! Your response about the PM had me a little confused, but I think I completely understand now. I just got one too! Any suspicions I had have been 100% confirmed!

Bolt5362
post #9398 of 16125
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Originally Posted by vartaxe View Post

hi,
mine ue65es8000 is finally being delivered tomorrow! biggrin.gif
i hope it doesn´t suffers from any "issue"...
still don´t know if it´s a ue65ES8000sxzf or ue65ES8000sxxn tough xD (don´t even know whats the differences between does 2 sets)
does someone found picture calibration settings for it?
thanks for sharing

Here's some settings courtesy of Garnoch to get you started. Toward the bottom of the page.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-owners-thread/3480
post #9399 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Ha! Your response about the PM had me a little confused, but I think I completely understand now. I just got one too! Any suspicions I had have been 100% confirmed!
Bolt5362

That is not me. Someone is playing games. The only message I sent was to ops guy and asked him politely to block me, Jestered, I did not send you that PM and I am not Bolt5362.
post #9400 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Ha! Your response about the PM had me a little confused, but I think I completely understand now. I just got one too! Any suspicions I had have been 100% confirmed!
Bolt5362

Ha I know that number. He's still very much a Samsung LCD guy though - Definitely not Bolt.
post #9401 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin View Post

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the replys.
Sounds like you Guys are well ahead in terms of the banding issue, UK just catching up and possible more apparent on the 65" panel and think less of those sell in the UK.
I do not think banding is something you have to live with on an LCD / LED.
I have a series 6 Samsung bought a few months ago in our dining room and that is perfect.
Also have a Sony in the bedroom and that is fine too.
On a flagship tv like the Series 8 is, there is no way you should have to make any compromises.
I must admit, I was close to jumping ship and and looking at the Panasonic VT-50 plasma (and may still have to if my replacement does not cure the problem) but I am generally really pleased with the pictures the Samsung can produce and want to stick with LED if I can, as plasma does have strengths and I previously had 2 x Fujitsu's which were superb but .... LED you don't have to worry about Image retention, noisy fans etc.
Get an 8000 spot on and I think it will be one great TV !
I have been assured the new panel will cure the problem so singers crossed.

I thought I would share this review of the es8000 that I have bookmarked. It was one of the ones that really made my decision to hit purchase easy.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1336393657

The pictures look amazing, no banding. Even further towards the bottom the reviewer takes a picture in a dark room to show that there is ZERO clouding and flashlighting - an impressive picture that made my purchase even easier.

The part that I didn't realize before buying my 65 incher was that the review being based on the 46 inch version wasn't comparable - not even remotely. I'll bet that reviewer could not take similar pictures of any 65 inch panel out there.
post #9402 of 16125
Guys and gals and nuts and bolts,

As some of you know I have usually remiained a silent observer but every so often I can't resist chiming in, even though it just adds to what frustrates me in the first place.
I have been reading this thread for a very long time, months before I pulled the trigger recently on my ES8000. Obviously my bias leans that way because I am so happy with it so take my posts with the same grain as everyone else's. The problem i keep noticing here lies with that fact is that there are many of us feeling the same way who don't bother to ever post -- and it does get frustrating when an obvious plasma loyalist keeps posting in an equally obvious way of appearing to remain neutral while trying to convince readers that maybe 6 owners actually bought a working 8000 and the rest are flawed so don't bother.

Bolt, the problem I notice is this: the forum is filled with questions/problems and helpful solutions or at least constructive suggestions. From what I can see your posts typically say "that's what you get, I'm not surprised" and "while all tvs can be flawed, plasmas are always less flawed". These are perfectly fine responses. Once, maybe twice. But to me it seems like you spend time trying to craft the same general "plasma's rule, led's drool" response but word it slightly different. People don't need this as much as they need actual advice, they can easily learn your opinion from your first 100 posts. I am typically glad to read your posts, but when they come rapid-fire it annoys me, too, because while you can pull out sentences that are neutral-sounding, the underlying opinion is crystal clear and I fear for those who are new and don't have time to read the entire thread.

I am impressed with the patience and advice of so many posters here and I admire them for wanting to help. True, I rarely offer my advice or assistance so maybe Bolt is a better member than I am here. I keep returning for the new tips and solutions that keep popping up. I've learned a ton that I wouldn't know any other way.
post #9403 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

You lost me. I think in order to see if the Eco is working you must turn down the minimum BL setting in a dark room and the picture should get dimmer, because in a dark room the TV will drift darker toward the minimum setting if Eco is working. I mean you could set it at 1 and really tell if it works. You'd have to have a cave though. Bolt, you wanna try this in the cave dude?

What Garnoch means is that if your Backlight is set to 13 and your ECO is set to 6, for example. Now if you change your backlight from 13 to 12 at night, instead of the screen becoming dimmer, you'll notice that there will be a significant increase in screen brightness because ECO will be switched to OFF everytime you adjust the BL. What's acatually happening is that your screen BL changes from x~6 to x=12.

Take note that you have to reactivate ECO everytime you change BL.
post #9404 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I thought I would share this review of the es8000 that I have bookmarked. It was one of the ones that really made my decision to hit purchase easy.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1336393657
The pictures look amazing, no banding. Even further towards the bottom the reviewer takes a picture in a dark room to show that there is ZERO clouding and flashlighting - an impressive picture that made my purchase even easier.
The part that I didn't realize before buying my 65 incher was that the review being based on the 46 inch version wasn't comparable - not even remotely. I'll bet that reviewer could not take similar pictures of any 65 inch panel out there.

I don't see anything in those pictures that wouldn't look the same on my 65" ES8000. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the few lucky ones compared to most other 65" owners in this thread. Now, if that reviewer had put up some solid colored screens (lighter colors) then there may be a difference, but not from those pics. I got lucky with the banding issue too, but after calibrating it, I never see it unless I'm looking for it and even then it's barely visible. I believe the 65"ers are going to have some level of vertical banding though, while it seems you can get the other sizes with little to no banding at all.
post #9405 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I don't see anything in those pictures that wouldn't look the same on my 65" ES8000. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the few lucky ones compared to most other 65" owners in this thread. Now, if that reviewer had put up some solid colored screens (lighter colors) then there may be a difference, but not from those pics. I got lucky with the banding issue too, but after calibrating it, I never see it unless I'm looking for it and even then it's barely visible. I believe the 65"ers are going to have some level of vertical banding though, while it seems you can get the other sizes with little to no banding at all.

Banding is most noticeable on larger sizes on edge lit LED's. Smaller set's you cannot see it nearly as much, but it is still there and can be spotted if looking at solid color slides. The bigger you go with edge lit, the more the banding will be there sticking out. But who wants a 46" set these days?
post #9406 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I don't see anything in those pictures that wouldn't look the same on my 65" ES8000. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the few lucky ones compared to most other 65" owners in this thread. Now, if that reviewer had put up some solid colored screens (lighter colors) then there may be a difference, but not from those pics. I got lucky with the banding issue too, but after calibrating it, I never see it unless I'm looking for it and even then it's barely visible. I believe the 65"ers are going to have some level of vertical banding though, while it seems you can get the other sizes with little to no banding at all.

You are only talking about the banding. And yes I agree that although your's is visible, unlike in the review i might add, yours would be acceptable to me. If you can take a pic in movie mode of a black screen in a completely dark room from that side angle that would reveal light bleed and achieve his last pic that would be mission impossible imo.
post #9407 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

What Garnoch means is that if your Backlight is set to 13 and your ECO is set to 6, for example. Now if you change your backlight from 13 to 12 at night, instead of the screen becoming dimmer, you'll notice that there will be a significant increase in screen brightness because ECO will be switched to OFF everytime you adjust the BL. What's acatually happening is that your screen BL changes from x~6 to x=12.
Take note that you have to reactivate ECO everytime you change BL.
Thanks, I didn't know that. But in order to verify that Eco is indeed working (Garnoch thinks that his isn't after a firmware update) I had to turn the minimum BL in Eco down from 10 to Zero in a very dark room. Then it was easy to see the backlight decreasing. As I posted before it doesn't happen as you do it (like turning the backlight up/down in picture settings). It happens after you back out of the Menu. You seen the screen gradually get darker. I leave the max BL at 20 usually. And I don't watch light solid colored slides much either. wink.gif
post #9408 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

You are only talking about the banding. And yes I agree that although your's is visible, unlike in the review i might add, yours would be acceptable to me. If you can take a pic in movie mode of a black screen in a completely dark room from that side angle that would reveal light bleed and achieve his last pic that would be mission impossible imo.

You don't see vertical banding in the reviewers pics because he doesn't have the right image up. I'm sure I could put up the same video clip they're using in any of those pictures and you wouldn't see any banding on my set. I wish they did use a solid light color image because I'm curious if you would see any banding, but it's hard to tell from what he had on the screen when the pics were taken.

I'll wait until later when it gets darker outside and see how mine looks regarding the light bleed your referring to. Mine may or may not be as good as his picture, but I don't think it's far off from that. I honestly don't watch my TV from the side at night, so I haven't ever really checked, but will. I'll report back what happens.
post #9409 of 16125
If I can take my colleagues Camera home tonight (Nikon), I will take some really good photos of my set with slides. I got a pretty good panel, but I can still see banding on slides and sports like golf, soccer, football or hockey. I am happy though my panel has no flash lighting in the corners or the V shaped cloud at the bottom.
post #9410 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

If I can take my colleagues Camera home tonight (Nikon), I will take some really good photos of my set with slides. I got a pretty good panel, but I can still see banding on slides and sports like golf, soccer, football or hockey. I am happy though my panel has no flash lighting in the corners or the V shaped cloud at the bottom.

If you can see banding on the golf and football (soccer) then it's a duff panel, thought you had a cherry picked one gift wrapped with a big bow on it compliments of Samsung? Maybe not then. wink.gif
post #9411 of 16125
Let me start this post by stating that i understand al LED/LCD backlit TV's will have some degree of banding-I have no issue with this. My 65" is in the service center at this very moment for vertical banding for the second time. First time, the panel was replaced, the replacement panel was slightly better, but still had significant banding, really noticeable on golf, any sky shot, football at times, and any single color screen. That in itself is an issue, but I could live with that. The problem comes in when the scene pans, and the vertical banding stays in the same place-it makes the picture look horrible.
The service center calls about 11:00, and informs me that they sent pictures to Samsung, and the Panel evaluation team stated the bands were within their specifications, and that Samsung was denying a new panel-I laughed out loud at that. The Samsung tech who worked on my television said that the banding was among the worst he has ever seen, and couldn't believe the decision.
I immediately phoned Samsung, and of course, i went through 4 separate support people, including 2 from the ECR (which is their escalated case department)--the first ECR person got the service center to send more pictures, and the second was very, very helpful with my case. The second pictures arrived, and the 2nd ECR person actually gasped when she saw the second set of pictures-they looked much worse than the first set of pictures. I know I had to take 4 or 5 shots when I submitted the original photos, until i had one that I thought really showed the issue. I asked her if she would purchase a TV that looked like that, and she said she would be really mad if her TV looked like that-this is on a static image--they should see it when the camera pans!
She is going to send the pictures to her immediate boss, and they are going to be evaluated by some people higher up the food chain, at least that was what I was told.
Funny thing is, I asked all 4 people I talked with to give authorization for a new panel, or refund my money. The first three told me they could not do either one, because the panel department had determined there was nothing wrong with the TV-so no refund, and no new panel because the panel department had determined my TV was within specifications-kind of a circular argument, if you ask me. The 2nd very helpful ECR rep was at least willing to work with me a little, and believe me, that goes a long way to soothing a complaint, when everyone else seems to not give a hoot.
I am not a complainer, never have been, and I don't remember when I have been this upset. I dont know yet what the outcome is, as I have not heard from the service center again, but remain hopeful. I am absolutely going to send a message, with photos, to Mr. Kim, voicing my displeasure with his panel group, and their decision, and the inflexibility of 3/4 of the people I talked with today. I am going to praise the 2nd ECR tech I talked with(I have her name and direct line), because, she did a hell of job, in my opinion.
post #9412 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

Let me start this post by stating that i understand al LED/LCD backlit TV's will have some degree of banding-I have no issue with this. My 65" is in the service center at this very moment for vertical banding for the second time. First time, the panel was replaced, the replacement panel was slightly better, but still had significant banding, really noticeable on golf, any sky shot, football at times, and any single color screen. That in itself is an issue, but I could live with that. The problem comes in when the scene pans, and the vertical banding stays in the same place-it makes the picture look horrible.
The service center calls about 11:00, and informs me that they sent pictures to Samsung, and the Panel evaluation team stated the bands were within their specifications, and that Samsung was denying a new panel-I laughed out loud at that. The Samsung tech who worked on my television said that the banding was among the worst he has ever seen, and couldn't believe the decision.
I immediately phoned Samsung, and of course, i went through 4 separate support people, including 2 from the ECR (which is their escalated case department)--the first ECR person got the service center to send more pictures, and the second was very, very helpful with my case. The second pictures arrived, and the 2nd ECR person actually gasped when she saw the second set of pictures-they looked much worse than the first set of pictures. I know I had to take 4 or 5 shots when I submitted the original photos, until i had one that I thought really showed the issue. I asked her if she would purchase a TV that looked like that, and she said she would be really mad if her TV looked like that-this is on a static image--they should see it when the camera pans!
She is going to send the pictures to her immediate boss, and they are going to be evaluated by some people higher up the food chain, at least that was what I was told.
Funny thing is, I asked all 4 people I talked with to give authorization for a new panel, or refund my money. The first three told me they could not do either one, because the panel department had determined there was nothing wrong with the TV-so no refund, and no new panel because the panel department had determined my TV was within specifications-kind of a circular argument, if you ask me. The 2nd very helpful ECR rep was at least willing to work with me a little, and believe me, that goes a long way to soothing a complaint, when everyone else seems to not give a hoot.
I am not a complainer, never have been, and I don't remember when I have been this upset. I dont know yet what the outcome is, as I have not heard from the service center again, but remain hopeful. I am absolutely going to send a message, with photos, to Mr. Kim, voicing my displeasure with his panel group, and their decision, and the inflexibility of 3/4 of the people I talked with today. I am going to praise the 2nd ECR tech I talked with(I have her name and direct line), because, she did a hell of job, in my opinion.

I feel for you mate, email and send photos to the CEO and hound Samsung's FB and twitter accounts. Kick up a big stink, that's what I do with these big companies and it always gets a result.
post #9413 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

If you can see banding on the golf and football (soccer) then it's a duff panel, thought you had a cherry picked one gift wrapped with a big bow on it compliments of Samsung? Maybe not then. wink.gif

With no flash lighting and clouding it was a keeper. The banding is very faint and hardly noticeable, but with my trained eye I can still see it. My wife said she cannot. But then again, I do test TV's for a living and I know exactly what to look for. I can crank my back light up to 20 with no visible flash lighting or V shaped cloud. The earlier builds I tested looked awful in comparison to the November build I took home.
post #9414 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ksat3 View Post

Guys and gals and nuts and bolts,
As some of you know I have usually remiained a silent observer but every so often I can't resist chiming in, even though it just adds to what frustrates me in the first place.
I have been reading this thread for a very long time, months before I pulled the trigger recently on my ES8000. Obviously my bias leans that way because I am so happy with it so take my posts with the same grain as everyone else's. The problem i keep noticing here lies with that fact is that there are many of us feeling the same way who don't bother to ever post -- and it does get frustrating when an obvious plasma loyalist keeps posting in an equally obvious way of appearing to remain neutral while trying to convince readers that maybe 6 owners actually bought a working 8000 and the rest are flawed so don't bother.
Bolt, the problem I notice is this: the forum is filled with questions/problems and helpful solutions or at least constructive suggestions. From what I can see your posts typically say "that's what you get, I'm not surprised" and "while all tvs can be flawed, plasmas are always less flawed". These are perfectly fine responses. Once, maybe twice. But to me it seems like you spend time trying to craft the same general "plasma's rule, led's drool" response but word it slightly different. People don't need this as much as they need actual advice, they can easily learn your opinion from your first 100 posts. I am typically glad to read your posts, but when they come rapid-fire it annoys me, too, because while you can pull out sentences that are neutral-sounding, the underlying opinion is crystal clear and I fear for those who are new and don't have time to read the entire thread.
I am impressed with the patience and advice of so many posters here and I admire them for wanting to help. True, I rarely offer my advice or assistance so maybe Bolt is a better member than I am here. I keep returning for the new tips and solutions that keep popping up. I've learned a ton that I wouldn't know any other way.

You, sir, are a wordsmith. Even headed and well written. You're post from a few weeks ago I had thought was nicely written too.
post #9415 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

With no flash lighting and clouding it was a keeper. The banding is very faint and hardly noticeable, but with my trained eye I can still see it. My wife said she cannot. But then again, I do test TV's for a living and I know exactly what to look for. I can crank my back light up to 20 with no visible flash lighting or V shaped cloud. The earlier builds I tested looked awful in comparison to the November build I took home.

Ok but if you notice it on sports during normal viewing then it's unacceptable, my last plasma went back because of this. I could see DSE during panning scenes on white backgrounds, very annoying. I'd say I have a trained eye now also as I've sent that many back I'm quite meticulous when it comes to looking for faults, I wouldn't stand for any banding or clouding at all like so many seem to do.
post #9416 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ksat3 View Post

Guys and gals and nuts and bolts,
As some of you know I have usually remiained a silent observer but every so often I can't resist chiming in, even though it just adds to what frustrates me in the first place.
I have been reading this thread for a very long time, months before I pulled the trigger recently on my ES8000. Obviously my bias leans that way because I am so happy with it so take my posts with the same grain as everyone else's. The problem i keep noticing here lies with that fact is that there are many of us feeling the same way who don't bother to ever post -- and it does get frustrating when an obvious plasma loyalist keeps posting in an equally obvious way of appearing to remain neutral while trying to convince readers that maybe 6 owners actually bought a working 8000 and the rest are flawed so don't bother.
Bolt, the problem I notice is this: the forum is filled with questions/problems and helpful solutions or at least constructive suggestions. From what I can see your posts typically say "that's what you get, I'm not surprised" and "while all tvs can be flawed, plasmas are always less flawed". These are perfectly fine responses. Once, maybe twice. But to me it seems like you spend time trying to craft the same general "plasma's rule, led's drool" response but word it slightly different. People don't need this as much as they need actual advice, they can easily learn your opinion from your first 100 posts. I am typically glad to read your posts, but when they come rapid-fire it annoys me, too, because while you can pull out sentences that are neutral-sounding, the underlying opinion is crystal clear and I fear for those who are new and don't have time to read the entire thread.
I am impressed with the patience and advice of so many posters here and I admire them for wanting to help. True, I rarely offer my advice or assistance so maybe Bolt is a better member than I am here. I keep returning for the new tips and solutions that keep popping up. I've learned a ton that I wouldn't know any other way.

+989
post #9417 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Ha I know that number. He's still very much a Samsung LCD guy though - Definitely not Bolt.

LOL..Just saw his number on the same page as your settings.
post #9418 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

I feel for you mate, email and send photos to the CEO and hound Samsung's FB and twitter accounts. Kick up a big stink, that's what I do with these big companies and it always gets a result.

Yep, always. I said this before but my favorite personal story was after having issues getting a part for our KitchenAid dishwasher, we posted the whole story on Facebook, not even on their page - it was my wife's personal page. In less than 24 hours, KA contacted my wife in a PM on FB and we had the part like in a day. We're not even sure how they saw our FB complaint. It was weird and awesome.
post #9419 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yep, always. I said this before but my favorite personal story was after having issues getting a part for our KitchenAid dishwasher, we posted the whole story on Facebook, not even on their page - it was my wife's personal page. In less than 24 hours, KA contacted my wife in a PM on FB and we had the part like in a day. We're not even sure how they saw our FB complaint. It was weird and awesome.

I was getting nowhere with Sky TV so emailed the CEO with my disgust and from thereon had a personal contact in the Executive office who dealt with me. Ultimately they couldn't resolve the issue but I had first class treatment (all equipment replaced and several visits) until they closed ranks and paid me hush money to go away. I tried to get them to admit in writing that their HD transmission sub standard, a bit ambitious on my part though I've got a rolling discount also as I refuse to pay the HD premium so that says something biggrin.gif
post #9420 of 16125
Anyone have the email address of Mr Kim, Samsungs CEO of the electronics division> They would not give it to me-just his regular mail address.
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