Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 320

Bladerunner, the best TV I ever owned was, and still is, a 50" Pioneer plasma, professionally calibrated. To this day, it still outperforms the Samsung in all respects, excepting maybe overall brightness. Picture quality is second to none.

Jamiemac, I'm past my 30 day Best Buy return date-I was stupid enough to believe that the banding would get better, so the time slipped away from me.

+1 I had a 60" 9g pioneer elite kuro plasma from 2008 which was a beast. The best kuro Pioneer made. Paid 7 grand for it. There is still no tv to date that can beat it but there is one plasma that is very very close, scary close.
Edited by Bolt989 - 1/6/13 at 3:55pm

I disagree with this. In the last month I've owned both my first LED ever and my first plasma ever. The LED caused me grief and the plasma is giving me happiness.

So as a potential purchaser this probably shouldn't concern me enough as long as I am prepared to properly test my TV when I receive it and if there is a problem to act quickly with whatever protection my return policy allows me. I believe that it has been said a number of times here that banding is what banding will be so I shouldn't wait for it to get better, if it is in the TV I get up, right?

Will banding ever develop over time?

Maybe I should be looking closer at Plasma....

Plasma was once the "be all , end all" of tv, not anymore. Do what you must Ruegway.

I don't think you should be scared of LED, just like I don't think youshould be scared of plasm. I think you should be scared of the 65 es8000 and you should consider the 60inch version if you choose an LED - sony hasn't made any better a tv in their 65 inch line. The es8000 60 inch is a gorgeous tv and is also a lot sexier with its slimmer outer bezel. Do consider it.

With the plasma all my fears of buzzing and IR are turning out to not only be non issues, but considerably rarer occurrences than banding. that's my 2 cents.

Agreed. No issues with my 60" TV. This TV continues to amaze me with it's picture quality. I've already paid for calibration, so not sure how that might work out. I guess I can always reset if I don't like the ISF guy's tuning, lol.

I have no complaints on my 65" set. It performs just like a led should. Very happy with my es8000. I do notice very minor banding, but i expect that from a edge lit led, just like I expect minor temporary IR from a pdp. No tv technology is perfect. There are advantage's/disadvantages to both technologies, thats why I own the best of both worlds.

jamieMac99,
if you are set on having a Samsung, get the 60" or smaller, as others on this thread have suggested. I can't remember reading any complaints on the 60", and a boatload of complaints on the 65" Apparently, it is much tougher to manufacture the 65" compared to the 60" and smaller. Samsung, and from what I've read, other manufacturers are all having trouble with 65' and greater LED/LCD sizes. Must be a quantum leap of complexity in the larger sets.

I said that about Sony, but the more I read about issues on and off with all companies, I think I will keep Sony in mind next time - Samsung too though.... Unless Apple comes out with an actual TV, then I'll heavily consider that.

Seen an article last week that Apple is looking into the 46-55" LED arena. Sounded promising.

My Smart Hub is completely down!! I am 100% connected to the Internet but it refuses to connect. I can check software update just fine. I am connected but no Smart Hub. Anyone else having this issue?

Yeah, I was the same way, man - didn't think it would work and it did make a difference. Do at your own risk and be gentle but I'm glad I did it. As for settings and panels, give it a shot but even when a panel is the same, there can definitely be differences. Plus regardless of "being correct", we all want to see things our own way, so what works for one person's eyes may not work for another. Good luck!

Yeah that's been going on for years but it's really starting to pick up. 55" isn't large enough but if they do, I'll get one for another room. Some people have their issues with Apple and everyone is entitled to that, but I like how their product are made, I like their ease of use and fluidness and above all, I love their customer service. I could be flamed by some for my thoughts, but like I said, they are definitely entitle to their beliefs, but so am I. I keep an open mind though which is why I'm not a Samsung hater - obviously.

Badabing-My smart hub just says "connecting" ..... it not working either

I just checked mine for you, badabing - it's working for me. I have a TV direct from Samsung though.

But that is a perfect example as to why certain technologies are better suited for certain people. As much as i loved the 65VT50, there were a number of things that caused me grief....

1 - Since I have a 2.5 year old and a 6 month old, I rarely crank up the surround sound anymore, and the buzzing (eventhough mine was one of the quietest around) was still so distracting that I couldn't stand it especially when it interfered with hearing dialogue.
2 - Hated all of the precautionary measures that one needs to take to avoid serious IR. On my first 65VT50, I had a large OPPO logo severely IRed into the center of the picture from having the bluray players logo on screen for just 15 minutes before the screen saver kicked in.
3 - I love 3D and have over 60 3D titles, and the 3D shots that extend beyond the screen always suffer from cross talk on the VTs. Perfect example is in MIB3, when agent J time jumps off of the Chrysler building, the shot where the time device comes out of the screen is razor sharp on the ES, but suffers from ghosting on the VT.
4 - The straw that broke the camels back for me was the open glass panel design was a terrible design. Panasonic even admitted to me on the phone that they had multiple complaints of dust particles getting stuck behind the glass panel after I called to complain after returning the 4th 65VT50. The ARC on the VT acts like a dust magnet as well with dust also getting stuck onto the coating which requires you to softly wipe them off with a microfiber cloth as plain dusting with a microfiber duster won't remove them... but wiping too hard resulted in scratching the ARC coating. The 65ES8000 from what I have seen so far does not collect much dust and the dust the screen does attract easily dusts off with a microfiber duster.

For me, the only thing that I would consider a major annoyance with the 65ES is the vertical banding, but luckily the banding on the Dec. build is minimal compared to other builds and for me, being annoyed at one aspect causes me less grief than the four that bothered me with the Panny. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Panny's picture, but it just wasn't the right fit for my particular home theater. I even considered keeping it and moving it upstairs, but couldn't justify keeping a 3000 set just for the MBR.

I still have 400 shares of apple stock

Ok, thank you for checking. Mine is messed up.. My Hulu Plus app is labeled Fios TV! It's updating now hopefully it will fix itself.

And I thought I had a lot!

Here are a few more screen shots of the Dec. build from MH02.

Again... totally amazed at how good the blacks are for an edge-lit LED with no hint of flashlighting....




Here is a shot which I thought would have banding written all over it, but to my surprise was not that bad...


One more shot of the cursed banding.... but seriously I consider this banding very minor for a 65.

Also.... a big thank you to Turboman for sharing his movie settings. I don't think the blacks would have been dialed in as good as this if it weren't for his settings.
Edited by cmay91472 - 1/6/13 at 5:11pm

Anytime. For clarification though, my TV direct from Samsung made a stop at Amazon before getting to me.

I too still have quite a few shares of Apple stock that I purchased when they first went public. Adding it to my retirement fund

@Garnoch - didn't realize you were an Apple fan. I knew there was something about you I liked

So off topic time - and it has nothing to do with Jack. I had mentioned weeks ago that I was going to see the Hobbit in IMAX 3D HFR (48fps) and some were interested on my take. First, I enjoyed the movie though it was a little long and was very odd to have no ending whatsoever. But I went in expecting that. Some may not like the subdued 3D but that's the kind of 3D I love. Nothing really in your face but adding a layer of depth that was wonderful. As for 48fps - I hated it. I did not tell my wife or youngest daughter anything about HFR before going in but when the movie was over, the first thing out of both of their mouthes was "Why did it look like a cheap soap opera". It actually made me laugh because they had no idea that there was a term called soap opera effect. They said all the props and makeup looked fake and it was too fluid and not blurry enough, making it look like a soap opera or video game. I agreed with all of that. My wife then said something else I agreed with - the night/dark scenes were not as bad. In fact I almost want to say the dark scenes benefitted from 48fps. So did slow panning vista shots. Add people and motion into the mix though and it looked like a stage play. I realize they want it to look more "real" in order to "bring you into the movie" but I think in order for that to be accomplished and for HFR to work, screens need to change. I would be very interested to see HFR on a screen that wraps around and above your field of vision. Beyond that, I will probably go out of my way to avoid it. I would be very interested to hear the thoughts of this film in HFR that actually like the soap opera effect though. I heard from one and he liked it. It is possible this is the future and I hear you get used to it. Who knows.

Same here - it's starting to make sense haha. My house embarrassingly looks like an Apple Store on paper.

I deleted the misblabeled apps and did a reset.. I got everything back but the Samsung Store App!!!! That area is blank I can't get the app back... Can you please see if you can connect to the Samsung Store.. I'm curious to know if samsung disabled it due to the smart hub flashing issue.

I got my paws on a Samsung Galaxy Camera. It's soooo easy to share video & pictures to the ES8000 via the Allshare Play app. Very cool. I'm liking the Android camera concept.

Very odd. I'll go check now then edit this post....

EDIT:
Sorry I don't use the hub too often but I think you were referring to the Samsung Apps app. When I tried to launch it, it said I needed to update it first. I did. Then it launched and worked fine.