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post #9571 of 16125
Bladerunner, the best TV I ever owned was, and still is, a 50" Pioneer plasma, professionally calibrated. To this day, it still outperforms the Samsung in all respects, excepting maybe overall brightness. Picture quality is second to none.
post #9572 of 16125
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Originally Posted by jamiemac99 View Post

Ruegway, I am sure this is somewhere in this long history, but why don't you return the panel?

Jamiemac, I'm past my 30 day Best Buy return date-I was stupid enough to believe that the banding would get better, so the time slipped away from me.
post #9573 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

Bladerunner, the best TV I ever owned was, and still is, a 50" Pioneer plasma, professionally calibrated. To this day, it still outperforms the Samsung in all respects, excepting maybe overall brightness. Picture quality is second to none.

+1 I had a 60" 9g pioneer elite kuro plasma from 2008 which was a beast. The best kuro Pioneer made. Paid 7 grand for it. There is still no tv to date that can beat it but there is one plasma that is very very close, scary close.
Edited by Bolt989 - 1/6/13 at 3:55pm
post #9574 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Ruegway, I am sensitive to what you are going through but I totally disagree. I would never go to any plasma because of a bad experience with a 65" led. Not one plasma was in my top five choices after I did extensive shopping. I would be unhappy with a plasma 100% of the time. Good luck my friend.

I disagree with this. In the last month I've owned both my first LED ever and my first plasma ever. The LED caused me grief and the plasma is giving me happiness.
post #9575 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

Jamiemac, I'm past my 30 day Best Buy return date-I was stupid enough to believe that the banding would get better, so the time slipped away from me.

So as a potential purchaser this probably shouldn't concern me enough as long as I am prepared to properly test my TV when I receive it and if there is a problem to act quickly with whatever protection my return policy allows me. I believe that it has been said a number of times here that banding is what banding will be so I shouldn't wait for it to get better, if it is in the TV I get up, right?

Will banding ever develop over time?
post #9576 of 16125
Maybe I should be looking closer at Plasma....
post #9577 of 16125
Plasma was once the "be all , end all" of tv, not anymore. Do what you must Ruegway.
post #9578 of 16125
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Originally Posted by jamiemac99 View Post

Maybe I should be looking closer at Plasma....

I don't think you should be scared of LED, just like I don't think youshould be scared of plasm. I think you should be scared of the 65 es8000 and you should consider the 60inch version if you choose an LED - sony hasn't made any better a tv in their 65 inch line. The es8000 60 inch is a gorgeous tv and is also a lot sexier with its slimmer outer bezel. Do consider it.

With the plasma all my fears of buzzing and IR are turning out to not only be non issues, but considerably rarer occurrences than banding. that's my 2 cents.
post #9579 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

C'mon my 65" brothers...return for a 60" and enjoy this great tv. The 60" is not a huge it big step down.
Agreed. No issues with my 60" TV. This TV continues to amaze me with it's picture quality. I've already paid for calibration, so not sure how that might work out. I guess I can always reset if I don't like the ISF guy's tuning, lol.
post #9580 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sabesh View Post

Agreed. No issues with my 60" TV. This TV continues to amaze me with it's picture quality. I've already paid for calibration, so not sure how that might work out. I guess I can always reset if I don't like the ISF guy's tuning, lol.

I have no complaints on my 65" set. It performs just like a led should. Very happy with my es8000. I do notice very minor banding, but i expect that from a edge lit led, just like I expect minor temporary IR from a pdp. No tv technology is perfect. There are advantage's/disadvantages to both technologies, thats why I own the best of both worlds.
post #9581 of 16125
jamieMac99,
if you are set on having a Samsung, get the 60" or smaller, as others on this thread have suggested. I can't remember reading any complaints on the 60", and a boatload of complaints on the 65" Apparently, it is much tougher to manufacture the 65" compared to the 60" and smaller. Samsung, and from what I've read, other manufacturers are all having trouble with 65' and greater LED/LCD sizes. Must be a quantum leap of complexity in the larger sets.
post #9582 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

Bladerunner1959,
I'm through with Samsung after this. Win lose, or draw on my complaint, this television is history. If they do not fix the banding, then I will sell the television at a loss to someone for maybe $2500. If they fix the banding with a replacement panel, I will sell the television at a loss. I'm not going to keep a potential powder keg, with dubious quality, for my main television, and if something goes wrong, have to deal with Samsung again.
If Samsung gives me a full refund, like I'm asking, then I will purchase, more than likely, a Panasonic VT50 65" plasma-basically, I will take the uniformity of a plasma over the superior, at times, LED picture.

I said that about Sony, but the more I read about issues on and off with all companies, I think I will keep Sony in mind next time - Samsung too though.... Unless Apple comes out with an actual TV, then I'll heavily consider that.
post #9583 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I said that about Sony, but the more I read about issues on and off with all companies, I think I will keep Sony in mind next time - Samsung too though.... Unless Apple comes out with an actual TV, then I'll heavily consider that.

Seen an article last week that Apple is looking into the 46-55" LED arena. Sounded promising.
post #9584 of 16125
My Smart Hub is completely down!! I am 100% connected to the Internet but it refuses to connect. I can check software update just fine. I am connected but no Smart Hub. Anyone else having this issue? frown.gif
post #9585 of 16125
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

Hey Garnoch
I just wanted to say THANKS
You and I have the same TV and the same panel I dont have any banding or flash lighting or bleeding
I do have some clouding, I didnt notice it at first, but between screen load changes when ithe screen
turned grey I could see it. It seemed to be diminishing with time. I read you blurb about massaging
the panel. I took the fiber cloth that came with the TV and just started lightly wiping, like I was cleaning.
I went from one side to the other, top to bottom, I did this a couple of times. Wow I couldnt belive it
the clouding is now gone, I never would have thought this would have worked. IT WORKS!!!
I streamed a movie from my pc with PS3 media server to the 7500 last night. Ya it worked great.
The 7500 didnt stumble and I was able to use ARC with my Yamaha RX-A3000 too.
Its kinda cool because PS3 media server recognized the sammy ap right away and displays a
TV and says Samsung all share/play
PS Im going to try your settings, they should work great, as our TVs and panels are the same

Yeah, I was the same way, man - didn't think it would work and it did make a difference. Do at your own risk and be gentle but I'm glad I did it. As for settings and panels, give it a shot but even when a panel is the same, there can definitely be differences. Plus regardless of "being correct", we all want to see things our own way, so what works for one person's eyes may not work for another. Good luck!
post #9586 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Seen an article last week that Apple is looking into the 46-55" LED arena. Sounded promising.

Yeah that's been going on for years but it's really starting to pick up. 55" isn't large enough but if they do, I'll get one for another room. Some people have their issues with Apple and everyone is entitled to that, but I like how their product are made, I like their ease of use and fluidness and above all, I love their customer service. I could be flamed by some for my thoughts, but like I said, they are definitely entitle to their beliefs, but so am I. I keep an open mind though which is why I'm not a Samsung hater - obviously.
post #9587 of 16125
Badabing-My smart hub just says "connecting" ..... it not working either
post #9588 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

My Smart Hub is completely down!! I am 100% connected to the Internet but it refuses to connect. I can check software update just fine. I am connected but no Smart Hub. Anyone else having this issue? frown.gif

I just checked mine for you, badabing - it's working for me. I have a TV direct from Samsung though.
post #9589 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I disagree with this. In the last month I've owned both my first LED ever and my first plasma ever. The LED caused me grief and the plasma is giving me happiness.

But that is a perfect example as to why certain technologies are better suited for certain people. As much as i loved the 65VT50, there were a number of things that caused me grief....

1 - Since I have a 2.5 year old and a 6 month old, I rarely crank up the surround sound anymore, and the buzzing (eventhough mine was one of the quietest around) was still so distracting that I couldn't stand it especially when it interfered with hearing dialogue.
2 - Hated all of the precautionary measures that one needs to take to avoid serious IR. On my first 65VT50, I had a large OPPO logo severely IRed into the center of the picture from having the bluray players logo on screen for just 15 minutes before the screen saver kicked in.
3 - I love 3D and have over 60 3D titles, and the 3D shots that extend beyond the screen always suffer from cross talk on the VTs. Perfect example is in MIB3, when agent J time jumps off of the Chrysler building, the shot where the time device comes out of the screen is razor sharp on the ES, but suffers from ghosting on the VT.
4 - The straw that broke the camels back for me was the open glass panel design was a terrible design. Panasonic even admitted to me on the phone that they had multiple complaints of dust particles getting stuck behind the glass panel after I called to complain after returning the 4th 65VT50. The ARC on the VT acts like a dust magnet as well with dust also getting stuck onto the coating which requires you to softly wipe them off with a microfiber cloth as plain dusting with a microfiber duster won't remove them... but wiping too hard resulted in scratching the ARC coating. The 65ES8000 from what I have seen so far does not collect much dust and the dust the screen does attract easily dusts off with a microfiber duster.

For me, the only thing that I would consider a major annoyance with the 65ES is the vertical banding, but luckily the banding on the Dec. build is minimal compared to other builds and for me, being annoyed at one aspect causes me less grief than the four that bothered me with the Panny. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Panny's picture, but it just wasn't the right fit for my particular home theater. I even considered keeping it and moving it upstairs, but couldn't justify keeping a 3000 set just for the MBR.
post #9590 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Seen an article last week that Apple is looking into the 46-55" LED arena. Sounded promising.

I still have 400 shares of apple stock biggrin.gif
post #9591 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I just checked mine for you, badabing - it's working for me. I have a TV direct from Samsung though.

Ok, thank you for checking. Mine is messed up.. My Hulu Plus app is labeled Fios TV! It's updating now hopefully it will fix itself.
post #9592 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I still have 400 shares of apple stock biggrin.gif

And I thought I had a lot! smile.gif
post #9593 of 16125
Here are a few more screen shots of the Dec. build from MH02.

Again... totally amazed at how good the blacks are for an edge-lit LED with no hint of flashlighting....




Here is a shot which I thought would have banding written all over it, but to my surprise was not that bad...


One more shot of the cursed banding.... but seriously I consider this banding very minor for a 65.

Also.... a big thank you to Turboman for sharing his movie settings. I don't think the blacks would have been dialed in as good as this if it weren't for his settings.smile.gif
Edited by cmay91472 - 1/6/13 at 5:11pm
post #9594 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Ok, thank you for checking. Mine is messed up.. My Hulu Plus app is labeled Fios TV! It's updating now hopefully it will fix itself.

Anytime. For clarification though, my TV direct from Samsung made a stop at Amazon before getting to me.
post #9595 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I still have 400 shares of apple stock biggrin.gif

I too still have quite a few shares of Apple stock that I purchased when they first went public. Adding it to my retirement fund biggrin.gif

@Garnoch - didn't realize you were an Apple fan. I knew there was something about you I liked wink.gif
post #9596 of 16125
So off topic time - and it has nothing to do with Jack. I had mentioned weeks ago that I was going to see the Hobbit in IMAX 3D HFR (48fps) and some were interested on my take. First, I enjoyed the movie though it was a little long and was very odd to have no ending whatsoever. But I went in expecting that. Some may not like the subdued 3D but that's the kind of 3D I love. Nothing really in your face but adding a layer of depth that was wonderful. As for 48fps - I hated it. I did not tell my wife or youngest daughter anything about HFR before going in but when the movie was over, the first thing out of both of their mouthes was "Why did it look like a cheap soap opera". It actually made me laugh because they had no idea that there was a term called soap opera effect. They said all the props and makeup looked fake and it was too fluid and not blurry enough, making it look like a soap opera or video game. I agreed with all of that. My wife then said something else I agreed with - the night/dark scenes were not as bad. In fact I almost want to say the dark scenes benefitted from 48fps. So did slow panning vista shots. Add people and motion into the mix though and it looked like a stage play. I realize they want it to look more "real" in order to "bring you into the movie" but I think in order for that to be accomplished and for HFR to work, screens need to change. I would be very interested to see HFR on a screen that wraps around and above your field of vision. Beyond that, I will probably go out of my way to avoid it. I would be very interested to hear the thoughts of this film in HFR that actually like the soap opera effect though. I heard from one and he liked it. It is possible this is the future and I hear you get used to it. Who knows.
post #9597 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

I too still have quite a few shares of Apple stock that I purchased when they first went public. Adding it to my retirement fund biggrin.gif
@Garnoch - didn't realize you were an Apple fan. I knew there was something about you I liked wink.gif

Same here - it's starting to make sense haha. My house embarrassingly looks like an Apple Store on paper. smile.gif
post #9598 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Anytime. For clarification though, my TV direct from Samsung made a stop at Amazon before getting to me.

I deleted the misblabeled apps and did a reset.. I got everything back but the Samsung Store App!!!! That area is blank I can't get the app back... Can you please see if you can connect to the Samsung Store.. I'm curious to know if samsung disabled it due to the smart hub flashing issue.
post #9599 of 16125
I got my paws on a Samsung Galaxy Camera. It's soooo easy to share video & pictures to the ES8000 via the Allshare Play app. Very cool. I'm liking the Android camera concept.
post #9600 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I deleted the misblabeled apps and did a reset.. I got everything back but the Samsung Store App!!!! That area is blank I can't get the app back... Can you please see if you can connect to the Samsung Store.. I'm curious to know if samsung disabled it due to the smart hub flashing issue.
Very odd. I'll go check now then edit this post....

EDIT:
Sorry I don't use the hub too often but I think you were referring to the Samsung Apps app. When I tried to launch it, it said I needed to update it first. I did. Then it launched and worked fine.
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