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post #9691 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

So reading between all of these lines it seems that SOME ES8000s suffer from banding. Arguable that it is more a problem on the 65".

How about this "replacement issue"? If you do happen to get a TV with banding as best I can tell there are only a couple instances here where people haven't been able to resolve their problems? Is that fair?
post #9692 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

"You betcha!"
post #9693 of 16125
I just watched avatar 3d for my second time. It was on my vt50 now that I have my new glasses and its even better than when I owned the es8000. I thought te es was as good as it could get but I was mistaken.
post #9694 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I just watched avatar 3d for my second time. It was on my vt50 now that I have my new glasses and its even better than when I owned the es8000. I thought te es was as good as it could get but I was mistaken.



In your oppionion, how is the VT-50 better than the ES ?
post #9695 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sabesh View Post

Excellent: This exactly what I was hoping for. I'm happy enough with PQ as-is. But it will be awesome to get the Smart functions to speed up even more. I'd pay $400 for this. I wonder if it's up for pre-order anywhere ...

+1.
Same here, I am more than satisfied with my current PQ, thanks to Garnoch. The new Smart Hub looks pretty cool IMO. I would love to see a native interface for my Movie Library on the new SH similar to PLEX.
post #9696 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Ok.... so now you have got me curious Blade. Tinkering with the idea of trying a 60 out while I can still exchange freely to see if I will really notice or be bothered by the smaller screen size.... but don't want to go through the exchange game for too much longer just to have a 60 that bands and need to switch back to a 65. From reading in here... I gather that...

1 - The 60 inch model is a "sharp" manufactured panel, compared to a chinese or korean made panel in the 65.
2 - From what Ruegway posted, the 60 uses one sheet of whatever type of film goes inside compared to spliced which could lead to the banding in almost all 65s from all manufacturers, hence the "limitations of the technology" I've mentioned that I've read in numerous forums and articles on the vertical band issues with the 65ES8000 , Sony 65HX950 and comparable LG model.

Are there any 60ES8000 owners who have or had vertical band issues? or is it pretty much non-existent with the 60s. If it's a situation where they still have them, just not as noticeable as the 65, then I'm inclined to keep the 65 as I don't think I can get a 65 that is significantly better banding wise.... but if it is a non issue then I may try some more exchanges before the Jan 24th, deadline for BB holiday purchases to see what the 60 owners are raving about as well as seeing if I would be Ok losing the 4.5 inches diagonal difference.
post #9697 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin View Post

In your oppionion, how is the VT-50 better than the ES ?

The 3D on the 65VT50 is very good, however it's downfall is severe crosstalk on "out of the screen" effects and certain background depth shots. Good ones that I have tested on both include the MIB3 time jump scene, beginning of Bolt with the Bolt logo, monsters vs aliens paddle ball scene..... all three exhibited severe crosstalk that was non-existent on the 65ES8000.
post #9698 of 16125
IMO, The VT50's 3D is much more Cinema Like. Less motion blur as well since it's a Plasma (Better Motion Resolution)

By the Way, here at CES, and Samsung's Panels look good. The F8000 is beautiful! Getting ready for the Panasonic Key note.

Reporting from CES


Troll out
post #9699 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Ok.... so now you have got me curious Blade. Tinkering with the idea of trying a 60 out while I can still exchange freely to see if I will really notice or be bothered by the smaller screen size.... but don't want to go through the exchange game for too much longer just to have a 60 that bands and need to switch back to a 65. From reading in here... I gather that...
1 - The 60 inch model is a "sharp" manufactured panel, compared to a chinese or korean made panel in the 65.
2 - From what Ruegway posted, the 60 uses one sheet of whatever type of film goes inside compared to spliced which could lead to the banding in almost all 65s from all manufacturers, hence the "limitations of the technology" I've mentioned that I've read in numerous forums and articles on the vertical band issues with the 65ES8000 , Sony 65HX950 and comparable LG model.
Are there any 60ES8000 owners who have or had vertical band issues? or is it pretty much non-existent with the 60s. If it's a situation where they still have them, just not as noticeable as the 65, then I'm inclined to keep the 65 as I don't think I can get a 65 that is significantly better banding wise.... but if it is a non issue then I may try some more exchanges before the Jan 24th, deadline for BB holiday purchases to see what the 60 owners are raving about as well as seeing if I would be Ok losing the 4.5 inches diagonal difference.
...Yes my friend, you are definately in a "pickle"... I was shopping 60 to 70 range once I decided to increase my budget. The Sharp Quattron 70" was just as attainable for me at about the same money as my 60" es. It was an easy decision for me. 60" is not small. The extremley thin bezel is ultra-cool-sexy and it just floats in my room when on or off...just an impressive piece of electronic artistry. 6 months with it , still fascinated, still cant wait to be left alone by my loved ones so I can get "bromantica"l with my TV, and no remorse...even after going to BB and playing with a 65es after doing some post purchase VT50 comparisons in controlled rooms.

IF...only IF you have minimal bamding that you can happily ignore then stay put. If you are like me and have that handful of movies you watch repeatedly....run through them all and see for yourself, on your favorite material and test your own tolerance. Personally, based on the photos 65" owners have uploaded, I would rather live with the occasional and tolerable flashlight effect as opposed to banding.


That said, as time has gone on and i've tweaked settings, flashlight is MUCH less noticeable, almost never seen in my Standard mode unless room is totally dark (which is rare cuz i have lights behind tv for theater type setting. In movie mode, Flashlight is a stitch more seen and its most seen in 3d however. I would never make a buying decision with 3d performance as the number one criteria.

I hope my words help.
post #9700 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Same, Blade. I have yet to hear of a Banding issue with the 8000 or 7500 60" - not one to my knowledge in almost 10,000 posts. Mine has nothing.
post #9701 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Same, Blade. I have yet to hear of a Banding issue with the 8000 or 7500 60" - not one to my knowledge in almost 10,000 posts. Mine has nothing.

How about flashlighting per blades comment? Are there any recent 60 owners who can attest to whether the flashlighting has been corrected similar to the way it was corrected with the recent 65s? The pics I posted were in movie mode. Will the 60 not be able to do blacks like the 65? Hope it's not just trading banding for flashlighting situation.
post #9702 of 16125
The screenshots you posted look great. No banding or bad uniformity. Tell me the price and ill double it
post #9703 of 16125
Question ....

You know the sound the TV makes when you turn it on or off - some kind of "clink" sound which appears to come from the back of the tv ... well I have noticed my TV keeps on occasionaly making the sound (or very similar) when the tv is on.
Its no big thing, but it just annoys me, yet another distraction I would prefer not to be there.

Is this normal, or does something need replacing ?
post #9704 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin View Post

Question ....
You know the sound the TV makes when you turn it on or off - some kind of "clink" sound which appears to come from the back of the tv ... well I have noticed my TV keeps on occasionaly making the sound (or very similar) when the tv is on.
Its no big thing, but it just annoys me, yet another distraction I would prefer not to be there.

Is this normal, or does something need replacing ?

That may be a little disconcerting - I've never had that issue.
post #9705 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

How about flashlighting per blades comment? Are there any recent 60 owners who can attest to whether the flashlighting has been corrected similar to the way it was corrected with the recent 65s? The pics I posted were in movie mode. Will the 60 not be able to do blacks like the 65? Hope it's not just trading banding for flashlighting situation.

I haven't seen someone post about a 60" made specifically in Nov or Dec to be able to answer that. Being it's edge lit with such a thinner bezel than the 65", I'm not sure I'd expect less flashlighting. With decent settings and a backlight to match ambient lighting though, it's never been a concern on mine.
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post #9707 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I haven't seen someone post about a 60" made specifically in Nov or Dec to be able to answer that. Being it's edge lit with such a thinner bezel than the 65", I'm not sure I'd expect less flashlighting. With decent settings and a backlight to match ambient lighting though, it's never been a concern on mine.

Well, I made the exchange and will have a 60ES8000 dropped off on Thursday, so will get to compare the 60 and 65 firsthand. I hope I'm not making a mistake, but watched parts of the Lion King 3D last night and it was by far the worst offender of vertical banding that I have ever seen first hand especially the scene following the stampede where simba goes to his dead father laying on the ground. Unlike the shots from looper where it was minor partial banding on the sky, since the entire screen was filled with a murky dust from the stampede, it was the first time I could actually see all five large bands on the screen at the same time as the camera panned back and forth. Will post some pics to compare once it arrives.

Keep in mind, I'm being very OCD most likely, but figured as long as BB keeps letting me exchange, might as well take advantage of it and keep trying different sets and sizes. If the 60 really is as good as some have hyped it up to be, I'll be more inclined to keep it for now and perhaps shift it upstairs if and when the 65F8000s hit the stores and people can either confirm that banding either still exists or has been corrected. Maybe I'll even take the $600 I'll be getting back ($2,300 for the 60 compared to $2900 for the 65) and get the Evo Kit when it comes out regardless of how overpriced it may or may not be. Hopefully, the 60 will be the one as now choosing between a flawed 65ES8000 and a flawed 65VT50 would be very difficult.mad.gif

A big thanks to blade as his Fargo post combined with the Lion King cinched it for me.

It's just ashame that no manufacturer seems to be able to make a 65 without banding whether severe or minor. What are the odds the 65 2013 sets will also have banding?

Lastly, i find it curious that no one in the 75ES9000 has mentioned vertical banding. Is it no one actually has this TV who knows what banding is or that you actually get a banding free TV for the $7000 it now costs.
post #9708 of 16125
Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.

This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.

Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.

Cheers from Canada.
post #9709 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Well, I made the exchange and will have a 60ES8000 dropped off on Thursday, so will get to compare the 60 and 65 firsthand. I hope I'm not making a mistake, but watched parts of the Lion King 3D last night and it was by far the worst offender of vertical banding that I have ever seen first hand especially the scene following the stampede where simba goes to his dead father laying on the ground. Unlike the shots from looper where it was minor partial banding on the sky, since the entire screen was filled with a murky dust from the stampede, it was the first time I could actually see all five large bands on the screen at the same time as the camera panned back and forth. Will post some pics to compare once it arrives.
Keep in mind, I'm being very OCD most likely, but figured as long as BB keeps letting me exchange, might as well take advantage of it and keep trying different sets and sizes. If the 60 really is as good as some have hyped it up to be, I'll be more inclined to keep it for now and perhaps shift it upstairs if and when the 65F8000s hit the stores and people can either confirm that banding either still exists or has been corrected. Maybe I'll even take the $600 I'll be getting back ($2,300 for the 60 compared to $2900 for the 65) and get the Evo Kit when it comes out regardless of how overpriced it may or may not be. Hopefully, the 60 will be the one as now choosing between a flawed 65ES8000 and a flawed 65VT50 would be very difficult.mad.gif
A big thanks to blade as his Fargo post combined with the Lion King cinched it for me.
It's just ashame that no manufacturer seems to be able to make a 65 without banding whether severe or minor. What are the odds the 65 2013 sets will also have banding?
Lastly, i find it curious that no one in the 75ES9000 has mentioned vertical banding. Is it no one actually has this TV who knows what banding is or that you actually get a banding free TV for the $7000 it now costs.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts, good luck.

As for the 65F8000, I have a feeling it's identical to the ES except for a slightly different look and the processors found in the Evo Kit. Samsung even states that the 8000 has Micro Dimming Ultimate and the F7500 has MD Pro - just like the ES. Nowhere does the F series mention Cinema Black that exists in the Ds or ES9000. There may be things we don't know yet. Assuming Bolt is actually at CES and says the F looks amazing, I will say this. The ES had been said to look amazing at CES too, only to not look quite the same when purchased. I think you can make a good assumption that the CES sets were hand picked if not hand built and tweaked to perfection.

I'm not sure about no one talking about banding on the 9000, but the first one that was bought around here, was posted in this thread after he returned a 65". He said the blacks and flashlighting were better, I would say much like the newer 8000 builds but that banding still existed, although much less - again I assume like the newer 65" builds. Being it wasn't perfect though, and priced high, he returned it. Then not long after that, the 65" was almost impossible to buy. It had been said that Samsung stopped production and were tweaking some things. Then we got the Nov/Dec builds - supposedly better but not perfect.
post #9710 of 16125
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Originally Posted by canadian55 View Post

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

Hey, haven't heard from you in a while - thanks for the update!
post #9711 of 16125
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Originally Posted by canadian55 View Post

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

How are your panning shots? The 65 I'm exchanging barely had visible banding on white/light solid backgrounds, but it wasn't until I started to see how it affects almost every panning shot of a movie on the one I have that I decided to check out the 60.
post #9712 of 16125
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Originally Posted by canadian55 View Post

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.

Cheers from Canada.
I need one of them Frothers! Great to see a fellow Canuck here.
post #9713 of 16125
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Originally Posted by canadian55 View Post

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

For my canadian brothers
Tassimo coffey maker + Tim Hortons = Awesome

The T-disks are only available at Timmies but totally worth getting
post #9714 of 16125
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Well thats what CES is all about anyway, its hype for new stuff, its marketing and excitement...build up the buzz. I'm excited about the Evo Kit.
Well the EVO kit was indeed part of the differentiating hype along with the MD feature. I'll be tuning in to see what features it has that cannot be delivered via firmware (which I have not changed since I got my set). Speeding up the Smart hub would be a good thing.
post #9715 of 16125
Can someone with a 60es8000 confirm for me two things. Screen goes right to the edge. Or is there a border like the 65. Also how is the viewing angle? Thanks

Does higher processing power equal less judder?
post #9716 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post

Can someone with a 60es8000 confirm for me two things. Screen goes right to the edge. Or is there a border like the 65. Also how is the viewing angle? Thanks
Does higher processing power equal less judder?

Needis:

I'll be able to tell you on Thursday. Even though I initially told you I was keeping the 65..... the panning just really killed it for me last night even though the banding in the pics was minor. I'm still not sure I'm making the right decision based off of the level of banding my 65 had, but figured at least take a look at the 60 for a few days and make a decision if I am OK with the 4.5 inches less diameter in exchange for hopefully zero banding due to the panel differences. If not, may go back to the 65ES8000 or 65VT50. Don't think I can wait until the 2013s make their way to the store which would be ????? Spring or Summer depending on model? Although if BB keeps extended my return policy everytime I change models, my new return window would be beginning of March for the 60ES8000.
post #9717 of 16125
Has anyone been experiencing their set constantly auto switching into 3D mode even without a 3D source. This started happening a few weeks ago, seems everytime I fire up the Xbox or Blu-Ray player the set "detects a 3D source" I ended up turning off the auto switching but it was nice not having to dig out the remote for the tv.
post #9718 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin View Post

In your oppionion, how is the VT-50 better than the ES ?

I'm not a 3d expert by any means, but I was prepared for an inferior experience from some other accounts in this thread. But it wasn't. I think the scenery just looked so much 'fuller' and more immersive. If I had to guess it might just be the much increased contrast responsible. Also it felt like the glasses were much better and fitted nicer.
post #9719 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Needis:
I'll be able to tell you on Thursday. Even though I initially told you I was keeping the 65..... the panning just really killed it for me last night even though the banding in the pics was minor. I'm still not sure I'm making the right decision based off of the level of banding my 65 had, but figured at least take a look at the 60 for a few days and make a decision if I am OK with the 4.5 inches less diameter in exchange for hopefully zero banding due to the panel differences. If not, may go back to the 65ES8000 or 65VT50. Don't think I can wait until the 2013s make their way to the store which would be ????? Spring or Summer depending on model? Although if BB keeps extended my return policy everytime I change models, my new return window would be beginning of March for the 60ES8000.

Good luck Cmay. I hope you can finally find something you can be satisfied with and makes you happy. I know it's frustrating. Thanks for sharing your info and experiences as they've certainly been helpful to quite a few. I have faith in the 60 for even your eyes.
post #9720 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I'm not a 3d expert by any means, but I was prepared for an inferior experience from some other accounts in this thread. But it wasn't. I think the scenery just looked so much 'fuller' and more immersive. If I had to guess it might just be the much increased contrast responsible. Also it felt like the glasses were much better and fitted nicer.

The glasses are without a doubt a huge improvement over the Sammy glasses. I kept 4 pairs to use with she es8000.
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