Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 324

Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Originally Posted by mo949 

I just watched avatar 3d for my second time. It was on my vt50 now that I have my new glasses and its even better than when I owned the es8000. I thought te es was as good as it could get but I was mistaken.

Originally Posted by sabesh 

Excellent: This exactly what I was hoping for. I'm happy enough with PQ as-is. But it will be awesome to get the Smart functions to speed up even more. I'd pay $400 for this. I wonder if it's up for pre-order anywhere ...

Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin 

In your oppionion, how is the VT-50 better than the ES ?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Ok.... so now you have got me curious Blade. Tinkering with the idea of trying a 60 out while I can still exchange freely to see if I will really notice or be bothered by the smaller screen size.... but don't want to go through the exchange game for too much longer just to have a 60 that bands and need to switch back to a 65. From reading in here... I gather that...
1 - The 60 inch model is a "sharp" manufactured panel, compared to a chinese or korean made panel in the 65.
2 - From what Ruegway posted, the 60 uses one sheet of whatever type of film goes inside compared to spliced which could lead to the banding in almost all 65s from all manufacturers, hence the "limitations of the technology" I've mentioned that I've read in numerous forums and articles on the vertical band issues with the 65ES8000 , Sony 65HX950 and comparable LG model.
Are there any 60ES8000 owners who have or had vertical band issues? or is it pretty much non-existent with the 60s. If it's a situation where they still have them, just not as noticeable as the 65, then I'm inclined to keep the 65 as I don't think I can get a 65 that is significantly better banding wise.... but if it is a non issue then I may try some more exchanges before the Jan 24th, deadline for BB holiday purchases to see what the 60 owners are raving about as well as seeing if I would be Ok losing the 4.5 inches diagonal difference.

Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 

I watched "Fargo" last night on my 60". That movie is your banding torture test with all the snowy landscape and winter sky. Not a band to be found on my panel....period

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

Same, Blade. I have yet to hear of a Banding issue with the 8000 or 7500 60" - not one to my knowledge in almost 10,000 posts. Mine has nothing.

Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin 

Question ....
You know the sound the TV makes when you turn it on or off - some kind of "clink" sound which appears to come from the back of the tv ... well I have noticed my TV keeps on occasionaly making the sound (or very similar) when the tv is on.
Its no big thing, but it just annoys me, yet another distraction I would prefer not to be there.

Is this normal, or does something need replacing ?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

How about flashlighting per blades comment? Are there any recent 60 owners who can attest to whether the flashlighting has been corrected similar to the way it was corrected with the recent 65s? The pics I posted were in movie mode. Will the 60 not be able to do blacks like the 65? Hope it's not just trading banding for flashlighting situation.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

I haven't seen someone post about a 60" made specifically in Nov or Dec to be able to answer that. Being it's edge lit with such a thinner bezel than the 65", I'm not sure I'd expect less flashlighting. With decent settings and a backlight to match ambient lighting though, it's never been a concern on mine.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Well, I made the exchange and will have a 60ES8000 dropped off on Thursday, so will get to compare the 60 and 65 firsthand. I hope I'm not making a mistake, but watched parts of the Lion King 3D last night and it was by far the worst offender of vertical banding that I have ever seen first hand especially the scene following the stampede where simba goes to his dead father laying on the ground. Unlike the shots from looper where it was minor partial banding on the sky, since the entire screen was filled with a murky dust from the stampede, it was the first time I could actually see all five large bands on the screen at the same time as the camera panned back and forth. Will post some pics to compare once it arrives.
Keep in mind, I'm being very OCD most likely, but figured as long as BB keeps letting me exchange, might as well take advantage of it and keep trying different sets and sizes. If the 60 really is as good as some have hyped it up to be, I'll be more inclined to keep it for now and perhaps shift it upstairs if and when the 65F8000s hit the stores and people can either confirm that banding either still exists or has been corrected. Maybe I'll even take the $600 I'll be getting back ($2,300 for the 60 compared to $2900 for the 65) and get the Evo Kit when it comes out regardless of how overpriced it may or may not be. Hopefully, the 60 will be the one as now choosing between a flawed 65ES8000 and a flawed 65VT50 would be very difficult.
A big thanks to blade as his Fargo post combined with the Lion King cinched it for me.
It's just ashame that no manufacturer seems to be able to make a 65 without banding whether severe or minor. What are the odds the 65 2013 sets will also have banding?
Lastly, i find it curious that no one in the 75ES9000 has mentioned vertical banding. Is it no one actually has this TV who knows what banding is or that you actually get a banding free TV for the $7000 it now costs.

Originally Posted by canadian55 

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

Originally Posted by canadian55 

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

Originally Posted by canadian55 

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.

Cheers from Canada.

Originally Posted by canadian55 

Don't you guys ever sleep? BTW - got a new frother for my birthday (Nespresso) and it's great - now we can have fancy coffees at home and maybe post all night - ha ha.
This forum is great and regarding the trolling - I think part of it is when people don't think they're being heard they keep saying the same message in different ways. I appreciate people writing clearly with opinions but not name calling or put downs. I hear ya man, plasmas have advantages and lcds have disadvantages but, as we are learning here, the technologies continue to evolve in interesting ways. It's fun to see how they improve and I'm sure opinions and feedback on AVS are helping. I sure will want to come here first before upgrading firmware or giving more $ to Samsung for the new kit.
Update on my 65 - the panel is Nov. 2012, UH02, which appears to be the newest one. Yes, there appears to be some banding on an all white slide but I hardly notice it 99.9% of the time on normal content. I haven't gone through Garnoch's full guide yet so I don't hear the trees falling and that makes me very happy so far. I have tried some settings but I admit I like the soap opera effect from my 46" 6500 from 2010 so I keep going back to standard. I paid slightly over 3k for this set and with a new Yamaha receiver am extremely pleased with it. In fact, I get a high every time I use it and keep pinching myself that it's so good. This is after watching the larger Sharps for months. I have a large HT wall and would have loved an 80 or 90 but finally settled for the 65 for superior PQ (my son-in-law got a 55" 7100 and it was impressive). I even find the voice pretty accurate and just started fooling around with motion and a new keyboard.
Cheers from Canada.

Originally Posted by chrisjmccord 

Well thats what CES is all about anyway, its hype for new stuff, its marketing and excitement...build up the buzz. I'm excited about the Evo Kit.

Originally Posted by Needis 

Can someone with a 60es8000 confirm for me two things. Screen goes right to the edge. Or is there a border like the 65. Also how is the viewing angle? Thanks
Does higher processing power equal less judder?

Originally Posted by Snake Pliskin 

In your oppionion, how is the VT-50 better than the ES ?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Needis:
I'll be able to tell you on Thursday. Even though I initially told you I was keeping the 65..... the panning just really killed it for me last night even though the banding in the pics was minor. I'm still not sure I'm making the right decision based off of the level of banding my 65 had, but figured at least take a look at the 60 for a few days and make a decision if I am OK with the 4.5 inches less diameter in exchange for hopefully zero banding due to the panel differences. If not, may go back to the 65ES8000 or 65VT50. Don't think I can wait until the 2013s make their way to the store which would be ????? Spring or Summer depending on model? Although if BB keeps extended my return policy everytime I change models, my new return window would be beginning of March for the 60ES8000.

Originally Posted by mo949 

I'm not a 3d expert by any means, but I was prepared for an inferior experience from some other accounts in this thread. But it wasn't. I think the scenery just looked so much 'fuller' and more immersive. If I had to guess it might just be the much increased contrast responsible. Also it felt like the glasses were much better and fitted nicer.