Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 325

I had one of the those frothers too. Mine had HORRIBLE vertical banding and flashlighting. I returned 7 of them and every one had the problem. I'd look at the froth from different angles and the banding was obvious. I'm going with the plasma frother dude.

NEEDIS, the border edge is about just over a half inch of silver and black edge...its awesome! Even on all four sides as opposed to the LG which is super thin yet the bottom edge is almost a two inch border.

Blade.... Is the black edge part of the front panel like the vt50 or does it overlap like the 65ES8000 just to a much lesser degree.

not sure if this has been mentioned before, but i kinda did on my initial posts to this thread. with my 65es tv switched off, if you use a flashlight to shine it on the screen from the side-you can see the vertical bandings behind/below the panel, they are the exact bandings you will see when the screen is turned on. i accidentally discovered this when i was cleaning the screen one night with the lights off, and i was just hoping that they are like the tints on the car where you wait a few days for it to dry up, but obviously that wasn't the case. so in case any of you guys wanna test your new panel for vertical banding, this is another way of doing so, but i would recommend turning on amazon instant video from the smarthub to really see if there's any. once you select the amazon app, it turns into a gray screen for like 3 seconds, and you'll see all the bandings, if any. mine has plenty, and on the right side,about 2-3 inches from the bezel, that band is most noticeable in panning scenes.

There is a one-half inch black border on all four sides. I think it is closer to an inch on the 65 if memory serves me correctly. It is noticeably less on the 60. BTW, my build date is Nov and I see no flaslighting at all on my TV. There is one slightly brighter spot in the lower left hand corner (which has already begun to fade) that can only be seen with the lights out and on an undimmed black screen (w/no source). It is totally non-existent with any video content. As far as off-axis viewing, my 60 is noticeably better than the 60 I had. I will try to post a few pics tonight so you can compare.

Ownership does have its privileges!

http://youtu.be/Dt3SWp9IjkA

Not much to this but......

Samsung's 'world's first' curved OLED
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/samsung-announces-worlds-first-curved-oled-we-go-eyes-on/

Are there any 60ES8000 owners who have or had vertical band issues? or is it pretty much non-existent with the 60s. If it's a situation where they still have them, just not as noticeable as the 65, then I'm inclined to keep the 65 as I don't think I can get a 65 that is significantly better banding.

I've had my 60es8000 since May. Zero banding. Not by tweaking the settings but zero out of box. Minor flash lite in lower corners but those not visible really. But banding? ZERO.

Sorry bout that: first paragraph didn't quote properly. My reply is last paragraph.

This is an open question to the board from a reluctant buyer of the 65ES8000. Are there any reports of vertical banding in other panels larger than 65"?, I am unaware of anyone in the 70" Sharp series threads citing banding issues as have the 65ES8000 owners. I enjoy every ones contributions to this forum and you all have educated me on the positive and negatives the 65" panel and I want to thank all of you for your insights.

This is very encouraging to hear.

After much thought, I'm returning my 65" to Best Buy this week while its still within 30 days. As much as I like the set, I can't justify spending $3.5k for a TV that has issues with the vertical banding. The second set was much better than the first but I don't know how many times I'd have to exchange it before I get a good one. If I keep it and am unsatisfied later, I'm sure Samsung will give me a hard time changing out the panels through service center.

I think I've seen instances of banding on a couple of panning shots which would only bug me if I was looking for them but otherwise doesn't seem to be a significant issue. I have Lord of the Rings and Batman trilogies on blu ray and netflix so if you can give me some timelines on any panning shots you're interested in, I can try them out and report back. If there are any scenes you would like me to photograph I can try that too, if anyone's interested.

BTW - I reported my panel # from memory and got it wrong. The panel on this 65 is actually MH02 from November. I believe someone reported that MH02 is the latest in Dec. builds too.

Just so you get a reply - no I have never had this happen to me.

LOL, good one.

My 55ES7500 has zero banding and zero flashlighting out of the box. When the room is completely dark, on a black screen, I can see some slight clouding but I'm sure I can massage it out once the set is broken in. I had a 55ES7100 before upgrading to this set and it has much worse clouding issues that I got rid on by massaging the screen. I'm very satisfied at this point with the set, the only small gripe I have is 3D gaming. When I push the depth in 3D vision crosstalk becomes slightly more noticeable than I would like. I had an LG LM558600 (Less 3d crosstalk) before the 7100 and my friend has the VT50 (more 3d crosstalk). I believe that the Samsungs are superior all around if you plan on using the set for TV, movies, and gaming in 2D and 3D. All sets have their strengths and weaknesses though.

I'm not sure about your judder question but now that you mention it, it is possible. That's a good thing. Thanks for bringing that up. The 60" entire outer edge is less than the 65". Some people say it's a huge difference, some say it's not that much. Here are some pics of the corners though, keeping in mind that the chrome bezel should be the same size on all, perhaps the 60" is actually a tad bigger but may just look that way compared to the screen size. These pics have the screen off and on and the pics against the brick wall are the 60" pics.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8081/8362602086_3db8f1d296_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8362602456_22165e2796_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8359/8362602704_f61037fb6c_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8050/8361539021_120a1057cf_b.jpg

From the pics, they look the same so I guess the black border is just a little smaller on the 60 when seen in person?

I really don't think it's a huge difference but it seems the smaller black border on the screen itself before the black edge is also a little larger on the 65". It all adds up, but it's not a huge difference. Unfortunately a lot of people see these pics with a black screen and it looks like the only border is the thin chrome piece. That's not true for any of the ESes.

It's one of the two reasons I went with the 7500. I like the black border and when the TV is off, it seems to just float there.

I was looking at the wrong black section. I see what you are describing. The border does look smaller on the 60, but not that much in the pictures.... But probably will have a better effect when seen on the whole panel when turned on.

These can be somewhat relevant to us, so I'll post them for those who don't know....

Netflix launches 'Super HD' and 3D streaming -- but only through certain ISPs
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/netflix-super-hd-3d-streaming/

Target agrees to price match Amazon 'year round,' hopes you'll stop showrooming
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/target-price-match-amazon-online-year-round/

This is a fairly widely known issue. It still happens to me from time to time as well (and is annoying), but as you said you can just turn off the auto switching for 3D and solve the problem. I don't know if certain AVR's "confuse" the tv when they switch sources more than others. I'm using a Pioneer receiver here in the U.S., and when I switch to a different source, as you said, like the Xbox etc. that's when it tends to happen the most

Sorry to hear you have to return the TV, what is next on the list to try??

Exactly. I never had the problem until I got my new AVR and now everytime the AVR changes sources, I get the 3D alert. I just turned it off.

Thank you garnoch for info

Not going to try anything yet. I'm not going to the plasma route either. If I had a good set, I would have kept it. But I'm not going through the process of changing the sets until I'm satisfied. It's too much time wasted on my part. Samsung should have done better QA on these unit.

Up Close F8000....

http://samsung2013ces.com/ces-photos/hands-on-close-up-led-f8000/#!prettyPhoto

Interesting design choices....

Don't care much for the stand, but the rest looks good.

I assume that's the 75". I actually like the stand, but for me, it's nice that mine swivels.

Gamer, I think I saw some posts by you over, well somewhere else.... Did you hear the F8000 has thousands of zones compared to the 600 on the ES8000? Being the zones are software controlled, did you ever hear if the Evo kit will supply that to the ES?