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post #9751 of 16125
Heading into day 7 tomorrow with my 65" still at the service center. I believe I am dead to Samsung because I raised a stink by not agreeing with their assessment of my vertical banding. If they are deciding anything, like they said on Saturday, it's without any information coming my way. No calls whatsoever for the past two days, and I have not called them.
On a side note, visited Best Buy tonight to look at alternatives, both plasma and LCD/LED.
post #9752 of 16125
Sorry to hear that. Also sorry to say I didn't realize they TOOK your TV. That's the first time I've heard of anything being done out of the home. Even full panel replacements are done in the home. I'm confused by that.
post #9753 of 16125
Both services were performed at a repair shop. Two different facilities, and taken to the shop both times. No idea why, the tech said a panel replacement takes about 30 to 40 minutes. I think they have so much business the repair techs can't get out of the shop. They were picking up 11 televisions this past Wednesday when they picked up mine, all for service, all different brands. I saw them in the back of the truck and asked about it.
post #9754 of 16125
Interesting. Thanks for letting us know and good luck.
post #9755 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I really don't think it's a huge difference but it seems the smaller black border on the screen itself before the black edge is also a little larger on the 65". It all adds up, but it's not a huge difference. Unfortunately a lot of people see these pics with a black screen and it looks like the only border is the thin chrome piece. That's not true for any of the ESes.
It's one of the two reasons I went with the 7500. I like the black border and when the TV is off, it seems to just float there.

In the store I kept going back between the 60" 7500 & 8000 I could live with either black or silver bezel. I kinda prefer the black though it seems to disappear better especially around the camera area. The bezel on the 55" is actually smaller yet around a 1/4". I wish the 60" on had a 1/4" bezel, it just looks cooler even though the difference is only 1/4"
post #9756 of 16125
Here's a pic hope this helps. 60es8000
post #9757 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Gamer, I think I saw some posts by you over, well somewhere else.... Did you hear the F8000 has thousands of zones compared to the 600 on the ES8000? Being the zones are software controlled, did you ever hear if the Evo kit will supply that to the ES?

Hey Garnoch,

Yeah as soon as the F8000 was revealed yesterday, and CNET posted an article about it, I posted a question in the comments regarding just that. No definitive answer yet. Here's a link to that article where they mention the "thousands" of dimming zones in the first paragraph of the article. The thousands of zones are also referred to in just about every other article about the F8000 I've found anywhere, I saw that mentioned in several places

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60f8000/4505-6482_7-35566921.html

And here's a link to an article from last year where they mentioned the "600" or so zones on the ES8000 - which is in line with the number of zones mentioned in other articles that came out at that time. It also interestingly mentions that the M.D. Pro version only has 300 zones:

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-sitex-2012-tvs-av-products-buying-guide/audio-visual-samsung-toshiba

From what they claim, it's clear that some improvement has been made to the number of zones used in their micro dimming feature since last year. They are still calling it M.D. Pro & Ultimate this year, which leads me to believe they are just boosted by more processing power and improved upon over the original iteration. I don't see any reason why the algorithms would not be implemented on our sets with the Evo kit and boosted with the improved processing power

But seeing as to how we don't even have a set in stone price and date yet, gettings any further information about this has been kind of difficult. Once pricing and release date are announced I will probably just contact Samsung and ask them
post #9758 of 16125
Exactly. Seeing what you wrote got me excited, because they definitely are calling it Ultimate and Pro again and being it is stated as being software and not hardware, I'm not very very curious about the Evo Kit. Like if it weren't upgradable and this was a new breed of Micro Dimming not available to the ES, wouldn't they have used new names? Thanks for the links, man. That article you posted in was a joke though haha. It stated that MD was finally coming to Samsung TVs. Finally? And it said the new models had FOUR sizes and then listed FIVE sizes. I didn't realize this was the only piece mentioning thousands of zones though. I think it was done in a rush - unless you were right that they were being sarcastic with the title. Thanks again.
Edited by Garnoch - 1/8/13 at 6:13pm
post #9759 of 16125
I know some of you have DirectTV, so here's some info on the new HR44
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/directv-hr44-whole-home-genie-hd-dvr-hands-on/
post #9760 of 16125
All of this talk about dimming zones etc. should be taken with a grain of salt though, as the only thing that matters is "Does it make the picture any better?". I believe the consensus so far has been that MD Pro/Ultimate on the ES8000 does improve the picture somewhat in Standard mode, even though it essentially only marginally improves blacks. That has been what I've notice people saying anyway, and what I've noticed myself

It also supposedly enhances contrast/colors/sharpness to some undefinable degree. But if they've improved it to several times the effectiveness of what it was in 2012, then it could replicate local dimming in theory (which is what it was supposed to do in the first place). They can claim as many zones as they want, but until I see this new dimming in person I'll be hesitant. That said, if it's included in the F8000 and it could easily be made available to us in the Evo kit - I don't want to be left out
post #9761 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Exactly. Seeing what you wrote got me excited, because they definitely are calling it Ultimate and Pro again and being it is stated as being software and not hardware, I'm not very very curious about the Evo Kit. Like if it weren't upgradable and this was a new breed of Micro Dimming not available to the ES, wouldn't they have used new names? Thanks for the links, man. That article you posted in was a joke though haha. It stated that MD was finally coming to Samsung TVs. Finally? And it said the new models had FOUR sizes and then listed FIVE sizes. I didn't realize this was the only piece mentioning thousands of zones though. I think it was done in a rush - unless you were right that they were being sarcastic with the title. Thanks again.

Haha yeah that article was a joke, but they never fixed it. Micro Dimming is FINALLY coming to the F8000!
post #9762 of 16125
The extra zones will not be availabe in the evo kit. Its something only available in the new 2013 panels. You really think samsung is going to give you everything im a few humdred dollar evo kit? The f8000 doeant look anu different than a Es8000 as far as pq is concerned, i even saw banding on it. It is truly a gorgeous looking set though. Oleds are amazing! But 12 grand for a 55 , ill pass.

Edit - From what I saw and heard, the evo kits will add a quad core processor and all tje revamped smart hub features. It will not impact pq at all. I will try and confirm this more clearly with Samsung tomorrow.
Edited by Bolt989 - 1/8/13 at 7:02pm
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Excuse the somewhat dubious quality since these were taken hand-held with my iPhone, but here are a few shots to show what off-axis viewing looks like on a November build UN60AES8000. These were all taken in a lighted room with two normal table lamps on (to show a real world Living Room type setup) and I did not use a flash.


The view from straight on.


The view from the left.


The view from hard right


This is a shot of the game Journey on the UN65AES8000 I exchanged. Plenty of vertical banding can be seen. Also, notice the larger black border at the bezel.



The same game on the UN60AES8000.

In the end, I am completely happy with the 60-inch model and have zero regrets about downsizing. I think this TV trumps the larger one in every single way that is important to me. As always, YMMV.
Edited by pitchman - 1/8/13 at 7:47pm
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Can someone clarify if the evolution kit takes up a HDMI port?? This article is referring to plugging in one wire from the evolution port but does not say to where. Plus the photo is misleading with the HDMI cable coming out of the evolution kit. I can't afford to give up a HDMI port as all three are taken by (1) HDTV Cable, (2) HD Apple TV, and (3) HD Blue-ray player... I already had to sacrifice my Xbox 360 and use component jacks. I really wish this TV had four HDMI inputs.

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tvs/1296916/samsung-evolution-kit-upgrade-2012-models-to-2013-smart-hub
post #9765 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

The extra zones will not be availabe in the evo kit. Its something only available in the new 2013 panels. You really think samsung is going to give you everything im a few humdred dollar evo kit? The f8000 doeant look anu different than a Es8000 as far as pq is concerned, i even saw banding on it. It is truly a gorgeous looking set though. Oleds are amazing! But 12 grand for a 55 , ill pass.
Edit - From what I saw and heard, the evo kits will add a quad core processor and all tje revamped smart hub features. It will not impact pq at all. I will try and confirm this more clearly with Samsung tomorrow.

You're right though. Nothing has been said about the Evo kit affecting picture quality - but that's just stating the obvious

But as far as what exactly will or won't be a part of the "brain transplant" so to speak - I won't take your word for it, as it seems like you're only here to play the role of party pooper. Show me an article or something and I'll believe it. I was just saying it wouldn't be hard for them to make it a part of the kit and it would actually make sense

And in fact no matter what the reps have been told to say, or what Samsung deliberately would choose to advertise (or not advertise)....it would make sense from the standpoint of the kit being a "brain transplant" of sorts which is what they are claiming. They also claim that it turns a 2012 tv into a 2013 tv so go figure. It's all speculation until someone proves otherwise
post #9766 of 16125
I forget who, but someone up thread specifically mentioned something about Fargo on the UN60ES8000 and if there was banding like on the 65. In my case, the answer is no.


post #9767 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post


Can someone clarify if the evolution kit takes up a HDMI port?? This article is referring to plugging in one wire from the evolution port but does not say to where. Plus the photo is misleading with the HDMI cable coming out of the evolution kit. I can't afford to give up a HDMI port as all three are taken by (1) HDTV Cable, (2) HD Apple TV, and (3) HD Blue-ray player... I already had to sacrifice my Xbox 360 and use component jacks. I really wish this TV had four HDMI inputs.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tvs/1296916/samsung-evolution-kit-upgrade-2012-models-to-2013-smart-hub

The dedicated evolution kit upgrade port is not an HDMI connection. It's a computer type connection that is actually underneath the evo box in the picture (between the box and TV). I'm stumped what that cable is that's coming off the side of the box though. Power? I wouldn't think you would have to plug that into it's own power source, but maybe. That's interesting.

You can see what the upgrade port looks like here:

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/2722/3/samsung-es8000-reviewed-the-next-level-of-smart-upgrading-with-the-evolution-kit

Once you take that sticker off the back of the TV you'll see the two tab holes and that connector on the TV. The evo box has two tabs that slide into the holes, then the connector on the box pushes into the connector on the back of the TV. I have no clue what that other cable is in the pic you posted.
Edited by Jestered - 1/8/13 at 7:54pm
post #9768 of 16125
And here is a picture of connector on the back of the box that I mentioned (second picture on the page):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450292/official-samsung-smart-tv-evolution-kit-thread

So, again, I have no clue what that cable is coming out of the box in that one pic.
post #9769 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

You're right though. Nothing has been said about the Evo kit affecting picture quality - but that's just stating the obvious
But as far as what exactly will or won't be a part of the "brain transplant" so to speak - I won't take your word for it, as it seems like you're only here to play the role of party pooper. Show me an article or something and I'll believe it. I was just saying it wouldn't be hard for them to make it a part of the kit and it would actually make sense
And in fact no matter what the reps have been told to say, or what Samsung deliberately would choose to advertise (or not advertise)....it would make sense from the standpoint of the kit being a "brain transplant" of sorts which is what they are claiming. They also claim that it turns a 2012 tv into a 2013 tv so go figure. It's all speculation until someone proves otherwise

Yep, I'm with you. Although it's possible it won't upgrade zones, if it truly is just all software and if Samsung is claiming it will turn a 2012 tv into a 2013 tv, which they are, and if they are still calling it MD Ultimate and Pro, which they are, then if the F has more MD software zones that the ES, it stands to reason that the Evo Kit may bring that to us as well. We're all making assumptions at this point, including Bolt - so nothing should be stated as fact yet. It can got either way at this point and neither would surpass me.
post #9770 of 16125
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Originally Posted by jlomaga View Post

Has anyone been experiencing their set constantly auto switching into 3D mode even without a 3D source. This started happening a few weeks ago, seems everytime I fire up the Xbox or Blu-Ray player the set "detects a 3D source" I ended up turning off the auto switching but it was nice not having to dig out the remote for the tv.

This is a fairly widely known issue. It still happens to me from time to time as well (and is annoying), but as you said you can just turn off the auto switching for 3D and solve the problem. I don't know if certain AVR's "confuse" the tv when they switch sources more than others. I'm using a Pioneer receiver here in the U.S., and when I switch to a different source, as you said, like the Xbox etc. that's when it tends to happen the most.
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Thanks for the tip. This happens all the time with my Pioneer SC65 when I change video sources. Anynet does NOT recognize my Pioneer receiver, so I suspect that has something to do with it as well. It did recognize my previous Yamaha receiver and I did not have this problem -- so I'll just turn off auto switching for 3D.

I guess I'll just have to keep the remote handy when viewing 3D content.
post #9771 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

And here is a picture of connector on the back of the box that I mentioned (second picture on the page):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450292/official-samsung-smart-tv-evolution-kit-thread
So, again, I have no clue what that cable is coming out of the box in that one pic.

A 4th HDMI would be awsome.. But why wouldn't that be mentioned if that was the case.. Plus it doesn't look like any readable name is around the cable? I'll post the photo on the dedicated link you provided. Thanks.
post #9772 of 16125
That article made no sense...

"the upgrade cartridge clips onto the rear of your existing TV and you plug it in via a short cable to the dedicated Evolution Kit port – installation is as simple as that, you just power up the TV once its connected and it takes about 15 seconds to migrate to the new Smart Hub platform."

It plus in when it snaps in so why does it then need a short cable - and where is this port the cable connects to? Something is not adding up.

They also say though....

"Last year's 7500, 8000 and 9000 series LED TVs can also benefit from the upgrade, as can the 7000 and 8000 series Plasma sets. We’re still not certain if you’d benefit from any image processing updates, though we’ll be trying to find out over the next couple of days."

and....

"Another thing that’s unclear is the price, having an upgradeable TV is brilliant, but if the price is too high then customers will either wait till next year, hoping for more updates, or abandon the idea all together. It's such a good idea though, that we're hoping Samsung can bring it in at a reasonable price."

Now if we are truly getting an upgrade to an F so to speak and the F has 4 HDMI ports, it would be very sweet if the Evo Kit had one HDMI port.
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

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Thanks for the tip. This happens all the time with my Pioneer SC65 when I change video sources. Anynet does NOT recognize my Pioneer receiver, so I suspect that has something to do with it as well. It did recognize my previous Yamaha receiver and I did not have this problem -- so I'll just turn off auto switching for 3D.
I guess I'll just have to keep the remote handy when viewing 3D content.

Hey no problem. It's interesting that we both have Pioneer receivers and have this problem. Maybe if jlomaga reads this he can get back to us with what kind of receiver he is using
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yep, I'm with you. Although it's possible it won't upgrade zones, if it truly is just all software and if Samsung is claiming it will turn a 2012 tv into a 2013 tv, which they are, and if they are still calling it MD Ultimate and Pro, which they are, then if the F has more MD software zones that the ES, it stands to reason that the Evo Kit may bring that to us as well. We're all making assumptions at this point, including Bolt - so nothing should be stated as fact yet. It can got either way at this point and neither would surpass me.

Exactly. All assumptions are fair game right now. But I'm pretty sure we can rule out any hope of the kit turning our set's into a Plasma. Darn, I guess that would be impossibru smile.gif
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

A 4th HDMI would be awsome.. But why wouldn't that be mentioned if that was the case.. Plus it doesn't look like any readable name is around the cable? I'll post the photo on the dedicated link you provided. Thanks.

Interesting. Thanks for the article
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

The extra zones will not be availabe in the evo kit. Its something only available in the new 2013 panels. You really think samsung is going to give you everything im a few humdred dollar evo kit? The f8000 doeant look anu different than a Es8000 as far as pq is concerned, i even saw banding on it. It is truly a gorgeous looking set though. Oleds are amazing! But 12 grand for a 55 , ill pass.
Edit - From what I saw and heard, the evo kits will add a quad core processor and all tje revamped smart hub features. It will not impact pq at all. I will try and confirm this more clearly with Samsung tomorrow.

Is your first statement a statement of fact or does it need a post-post revision to include an IMHO (or perhaps in this case IMNSHO)?
post #9775 of 16125
Thanks slopokeR for the measurement.

From pitchman's pictures, the 60 is the way to go. I really like the size of the 65...man I hope the exchange set this Saturday has very little banding otherwise i might really have to go with the 60. But if I go down to the 60, I don't see any real difference between 60es8000 and 60es7500. Will I really see the difference in the contrast ratio?
Edited by Needis - 1/8/13 at 9:48pm
post #9776 of 16125
A number of manufacturers have introduced MHL capable TVs at CES 2013. Good thing that our TV is MHL ready as well. It appears to go mainstream soon, with Roku already on board. Almost all TVs should have this port in about 2 years.

To those who are contemplating switching from the ES8000 to another TV: Check to see if that other TV is MHL capable, if you would like to take advantage of MHL devices down the road.
post #9777 of 16125
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

I forget who, but someone up thread specifically mentioned something about Fargo on the UN60ES8000 and if there was banding like on the 65. In my case, the answer is no.



Great pics pitchman. Is that in Movie mode or Standard?
post #9778 of 16125
Nice link posted by Badabing in the Evo Kit thread....
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450292/official-samsung-smart-tv-evolution-kit-thread#post_22804822
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPp7MSkkO_E&feature=youtu.be
Thanks Badabing!
A 2012 TV will be supported with new Evo Kits until 2016, one a year, 4 upgrades. If you don't find benefit in this years upgrade, wait until next year and so on - or upgrade every year.
The best part.... In addition to the smart features, "It will even make the picture look better".

I'll tell you this, based on this info, if they come out with a 4 year upgrade price plan at a discount that locks you into all 4 upgrades and automatically ships to you each year, I'd probably buy that.
post #9779 of 16125
here a few pictures of my 65ES8000

didn't find any build date in the back of the tv tough :s

it's still on stock settings im going to use garnoch settings next ;-)




Edited by vartaxe - 1/10/13 at 4:09pm
post #9780 of 16125
Thanks for the pics, man. Being you have the 65", also give Turboman's 65" calibration a try too. I'm just not sure where they are in here.
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