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post #1561 of 3924
It definitely is not a Trumotion issue now that I can see the picture. It looks most like a poor resolution picture from the source. That is an HD picture with an HDMI cable from the cable receiver to the TV?? Is thecable receiver set to 1080I? (Or even 720P)

Yes, I took off a protective film that was on the TV. It would be quite apparent, not something you would have to pick at and work to get off.

Did you go from a small TV to a larger one? If it's a cable PQ problem it might not show on a smaller TV when it will on a bigger one. If a local source like a DVD or Blu-ray player looks good, it's something with the Cable TV.
TV is crystal clear on my set, virtually none of that pixelization, which would be the source, not the TV. Your picture looks like a slow internet connection TV picture.
I don't know if the protective film for shipping I removed would make it look like that if left on. I would think it would just be blurry.
Edited by tampa8 - 10/7/12 at 1:49pm
post #1562 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

It definitely is not a Trumotion issue now that I can see the picture. It looks most like a poor resolution picture from the source. That is an HD picture with an HDMI cable from the cable receiver to the TV?? Is thecable receiver set to 1080I? (Or even 720P)
Yes, I took off a protective film that was on the TV. It would be quite apparent, not something you would have to pick at and work to get off.
Did you go from a small TV to a larger one? If it's a cable PQ problem it might not show on a smaller TV when it will on a bigger one. If a local source like a DVD or Blu-ray player looks good, it's something with the Cable TV.
TV is crystal clear on my set, virtually none of that pixelization, which would be the source, not the TV. Your picture looks like a slow internet connection TV picture.




here is an up close image. it is clear but you can still kind of see the heat effect on the helmet. but anything farther away from the camera results in this. it is aggravating. it is hard to notice on other programs (not sports). But sports and gaming is the main function for me. I have RF cable from wall to dvr cable box. HDMI 1.4 cable from that to tv. HD FOX channel yes. obviously, my camera is not an iphone and i went close to take the picture but none the less if im 5 feet away from the tv I still see it everywhere.

I did go from a smaller CRT HDTV sony (40in) to this 47in. I did go check my old tv and I barely could see the heat effect. I mean i had to be sooooo dang close to it to see it. But 7 in makes that big of a difference?! I can notice it on the 7600 from 10feet away. The weird thing is that if whatever the picture (people) that are close to the camera, it is very clear. But once it goes at a certain distance it does the heat effect. I don't notice it on regular programs because they are always close to the camera but in sports. It is horrible! In the second picture, yes his face is clearer than what the picture shows (my camera sucks) but the heat effect is exactly what i see. AND he is not that far from the camera. I will have to find a sports DVD to test it against. To really see if it is the cable.

To the protective film. I have not peeled anything off that is quite apparent like you said. However, if i would take this off i would have to get my fingernail underneath the outter metal frame to start peeling the plastic. I did a corner of it to see if there was indeed a film and there is.

edit: last image is regular program. check out the right side. heat effect (line)

and yes tampa the box is set to 1080i. verified by the bar at the top of tv. i did have a problem with the dvr box at first where it wouldnt recognize the hdmi port. thus i looked online and someone said to connect to tv using composite cables and then go to the menu settings of the dvr box to reset to factory default. I did that and hooked up the hdmi cable and removed the composite cables. it then worked; however, the auto tuning function/step on the 7600 does not recognize anything and restarts the problem. So i did not even do that step (i do still get cable on the hdmi tho). I don't know if that has anything to the problem but thought I'd share. I am having my friend bring over a sports dvd in about 45 min so I can check direct source.
Edited by jtown017 - 10/7/12 at 2:23pm
post #1563 of 3924
This picture is taken with a cell phone, then compressed to send it to myself so I could post it.....

TV live.jpg 581k .jpg file

The further away image appears to have something over the screen - I see small dots or grids that I don't see on the close up pic.
Edited by tampa8 - 10/7/12 at 2:06pm
post #1564 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

This picture is taken with a cell phone, then compressed to send it to myself so I could post it.....
TV live.jpg 581k .jpg file
The further away image appears to have something over the screen - I see small dots or grids that I don't see on the close up pic.

holy crap!!!! i wish i had your picture. i have that recording, i will take a picture at the same time and show you what my looks like. How close were you to your tv?
post #1565 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

This picture is taken with a cell phone, then compressed to send it to myself so I could post it.....
TV live.jpg 581k .jpg file
The further away image appears to have something over the screen - I see small dots or grids that I don't see on the close up pic.

the one that has no picture, like people, on it? i think the grid is form the program i was watching. that grid is definitely not on the close up indi player
post #1566 of 3924
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Originally Posted by jtown017 View Post

holy crap!!!! i wish i had your picture. i have that recording, i will take a picture at the same time and show you what my looks like. How close were you to your tv?

can you take a picture closer? or just tell me if you get up close like maybe 3ft away or so and see if you can see the heat effect. i could take a picture of 10ft away where i can see it still but the picture cant do it justice
post #1567 of 3924
Keep in mind I could post a picture that looks even much better, but I used a cell phone, and as I said then to send it to my computer so I could post it had to compress it.

I do not see the "heat effect" up close.

I am not convinced your cable box is actually putting out 1080I, or there isn't some problem there. If your friend gets there you should be able to tell right away that the DVD, even though not blu-ray quality should look very good.
post #1568 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Keep in mind I could post a picture that looks even much better, but I used a cell phone, and as I said then to send it to my computer so I could post it had to compress it.
I do not see the "heat effect" up close.
I am not convinced your cable box is actually putting out 1080I, or there isn't some problem there. If your friend gets there you should be able to tell right away that the DVD, even though not blu-ray quality should look very good.

i checked the settings on the dvr and it says 1080i. The source @ the top of the tv says 1080i as well. I plugged in the fiesta bowl 2010 game and looks the exact same if not worse. I do not know if this game was produced in HD quality (i would think at least 720p) but even up close shots has blur pixelation up the ying yang.

I'm kind of lost in no mans land right now frown.gif

edit:

i checked the dvd on my other tv and it must be just bad quality. so this wasn't a good test to begin with anyways.

I could just plug in a normal dvd but like i said the blur pixelation happens with things farther away (best seen in sports). All other programming usually has things close to the camera.

edit#2

k i downloaded a 720p HD football game. I verified on my laptop that is has no blurry pixelation. Now i need to figure out some way to get this to the tv....
Edited by jtown017 - 10/7/12 at 5:56pm
post #1569 of 3924
so i just added that football 720p hd file to my tablet and connected that to the 7600.
i do not see the heat wave effect as much. it is actually quite better. if i look really close it is very minimal but i am assuming that is due to it being 720p and not 1080i.

so i believe you are correct in saying it is my cable provider (cable one).
could it be the rf cable from the wall to the dvr box. Could it be the dvr box? it is a motorola 6412 dvr. I think it is an older model. AND it had problems connecting the hdmi in the first place. I had to use composite cables to get to the settings of the dvr box then restore to factory defaults then use the hdmi cable and it worked.

anyways i still have the problem with the vertical banding and i am sure it is that now. It happens in any dvd i play, cable i watch or video game i play. Its like the pictures move however those bands do not and they are distracting if the camera pans, even slowly as in fifa 13.



it is exactly like the picture only when moving. it happens in any color picture, dark or white. the camera starts moving I can instantly tell you where the bands are. Like the skies are suppose to be blue but in certain areas they are lighter then darker then lighter then darker. It literally wants me to get up and wash the screen off but of course its not on the tv....
anybody else experience this?

tampa? ps. thanks for all the help. i do appreciate it. i in fact love this tv even the wii remote wink.gif just wish at least the banding can be solved since we figured out the pixel is most likely my cable provider

i also have tried all settings including trumotion off and dimming on all the way or all the way off.
post #1570 of 3924
as what i said, i just got my 3rd set and im checking it now. i see dead pixel on on the lower side of my screen and a little banding. i called already bestbuy and they are sending me another set this coming wednesday and this will be my 4th set now.
post #1571 of 3924
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

as what i said, i just got my 3rd set and im checking it now. i see dead pixel on on the lower side of my screen and a little banding. i called already bestbuy and they are sending me another set this coming wednesday and this will be my 4th set now.

you have banding problems as well?!

is it like what i described where when the camera moves the picture does but not the bands? i.e. like something is on the screen?
post #1572 of 3924
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Originally Posted by jtown017 View Post

you have banding problems as well?!
is it like what i described where when the camera moves the picture does but not the bands? i.e. like something is on the screen?
mine is not that bad in terms of banding. the reason i returned again my 3rd set because of deadpixel and slight banding not like yours. you should returned your set if your not happy.
post #1573 of 3924
Jtown017 regarding the banding, do you have local dimming set to high? Only use low, that banding looks to me like high or medium local dimming. (and or Trumotion set to Clear Plus)

If I look hard in some scenes I can find some banding on my set, but rarely really noticeable. My Samsung I replaced (Had been in my parents home) had banding a little worse.
Edited by tampa8 - 10/8/12 at 9:40am
post #1574 of 3924
Which Harmony remote is everyone using for the 7600? I am looking at either the 650 or 700, but would step up to the One, if people have had a better experience with that remote.

The biggest issue is Input switching.

I have the following: DirecTv, AppleTV, XBOX, and a soon to be added BluRay. I will be upgrading to a better AVR from my old HTIB, in the next couple of weeks.

My wife hates the LG remote and GUI, I just want to simplify things for her, and eliminate headaches and the standard, "why did you have to change things?" biggrin.gif I just want one button operation to switch amongst inputs, with the least amount of hassle.
Edited by chrisfitz - 10/8/12 at 9:22am
post #1575 of 3924
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Originally Posted by chrisfitz View Post

Which Harmony remote is everyone using for the 7600? I am looking at either the 650 or 700, but would step up to the One, if people have had a better experience with that remote.
The biggest issue is Input switching.
I have the following: DirecTv, AppleTV, XBOX, and a soon to be added BluRay. I will be upgrading to a better AVR from my old HTIB, in the next couple of weeks.
My wife hates the LG remote and GUI, I just want to simplify things for her, and eliminate headaches and the standard, "why did you have to change things?" biggrin.gif I just want one button operation to switch amongst inputs, with the least amount of hassle.

I have the 700 and it works terrific with the 55LM7600. I have a Denon AVR-2311CI for the HDMI switching and audio/video processing.
post #1576 of 3924
This has been arguably the worst purchase I have ever made. I've had nothing but problems since I've bought the TV, and they are so random in occurrence that I can't have anyone come out here to "fix" them because if they show up and it works fine, they will whack me with a fee.

It started with the TV randomly scrambling, blaring out a terrible noise, then shutting off. It would sometimes reset itself after that. Other times it would just stay off. I reset all of the settings on the TV and didn't have an issue after that.

Today I come home from work and try to turn it on. Flash. Flash. Flash Flash Flash Flash. That's all that happens. Red light flashes. Knowing the technical wizards at LG would simply tell me unplug for a minute then plug back in, I did just that. A dozen times. TV is completely fried. Power supply must be burned out.

I can't find anything online about these issues. Am I literally the only person in the world that got this TV which was defective in about a half dozen ways?
post #1577 of 3924
Don't think you need anyone to tell you to return it..... or get it fixed under warranty.
post #1578 of 3924
Let me start by saying I've been lurking around here for a long time and this is a wonderful forum, with lots of great info. I really hate to see the ones having problems with PQ, mine has a pretty good pic, at times too good, now everyone piles in over here to watch the Big game. eek.gif

Burnsy8787- I haven't talked to anyone having that problem yet, repair or replace it. I had a 60" samsung plasma do the same thing and they replaced two circuit boards.

For those with the heat effect, all I can suggest, is to go into Expert 1, make sure all the 'extras' are turned off, find a HD signal and check. My cable box shows all channels as 1080i, HD an non HD. Bluray is best. Still having probs, I would return the set.

Now my question...lol
Thought I read somewhere that the film on the screen had some thing to do with the 3D. For those that removed the film, does the 3D still work?
post #1579 of 3924
To be clear - the film I took off was an obvious protector for shipping. It took no effort to remove it, much like the shipping screen protector most electronics have like cell phones.

If you have to work at, or pick at it, then think twice before removing. Looking closely it appears there is some type of film layer that is not supposed to come off. But it would take great work to do so, which would be a clue it should not be taken off.
post #1580 of 3924
tampa - if i set it to low i cant notice it when the camera doesnt move but when the camera pans slightly i still see a vertical streaks. it bugs the crap outta me. i have even set it to off.

i think what you see tampa is that film i see. where you actually have to get under the frame and then peel it off.
i did not have any shipping protector to peel off besides the foam that was placed on top of it.


also tampa, thanks to your help with the "heat effect" issue and finding that the most likely culprit was my cable provider. regarding that issue, could it possibly be the RF cable i use from the wall to the dvr box, or the actual dvr box itself (like i said it is an old model). Like you said it would be unlikely for the cable provider to have such a bad output.

OR should i just go to DirectTV :P
post #1581 of 3924
Well, with the possible exception of Fios, I always feel Dish Network or Direct TV is the way to go. Fios can be pricey, at least where I am it is. On the other hand, if you are happy with the channel selection and amount of HD channels, there may be no reason you would feel the need to switch. Definitely have the cable company come out and see if they can get you a good picture.
If that banding is there with no or low local dimming, at least from your pics that is more than what I see on my TV. BUT until you get the PQ straightened out with the cable company, I would not be 100% sure it's the TV rather than a problem with signal you are getting.

Here is another picture I just took, I am standing about 2 ft from the 55" TV, it's a live picture, meaning not paused. Again, taken with my cell phone not with a good camera, and picture is compressed to send it to myself so I can post it. I'm so close I can't get the whole screen in even on the wide lens setting. It's nothing like your pics.
Notice the guy in background moving does not have the pixelization yours shows.




Edited by tampa8 - 10/9/12 at 3:03pm
post #1582 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Well, with the possible exception of Fios, I always feel Dish Network or Direct TV is the way to go. Fios can be pricey, at least where I am it is. On the other hand, if you are happy with the channel selection and amount of HD channels, there may be no reason you would feel the need to switch. Definitely have the cable company come out and see if they can get you a good picture.
If that banding is there with no or low local dimming, at least from your pics that is more than what I see on my TV. BUT until you get the PQ straightened out with the cable company, I would not be 100% sure it's the TV rather than a problem with signal you are getting.
Here is another picture I just took, I am standing about 2 ft from the 55" TV, it's a live picture, meaning not paused. Again, taken with my cell phone not with a good camera, and picture is compressed to send it to myself so I can post it. I'm so close I can't get the whole screen in even on the wide lens setting. It's nothing like your pics.
Notice the guy in background moving does not have the pixelization yours shows.

i appreciate it tampa!

ya that is definitely not what i am seeing on my tv!
that is extraordinary. the guy in the background would have "heat effect" everywhere around him where yours is just motion blur due to it being live when you took the picture.

i can agree with you that the picture is great. nooooow just to get mine to look likes yours wink.gif
post #1583 of 3924
If its a cable anywhere its probably between the box and TV. Really its probably super compressed signal from the provider...
post #1584 of 3924
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Originally Posted by Devedander View Post

If its a cable anywhere its probably between the box and TV. Really its probably super compressed signal from the provider...

i have a rf optical cabel from the wall (cable provider) to the hd dvr box then a hdmi cable to tv
post #1585 of 3924
Call the cable company, they'll replace the wires for free. Aside from that you definitely should NOT remove the plastic on the screen, it's not like other HDMI tv's that tell you to remove it, it's specifically telling you not to remove it for a good reason. Aside form that the tv is a 47' incher....recommended viewing distance is 7-12 feet away......

You need to hook a computer up to your TV and play something in pure 1080p, HDMI-HDMI or DVI-HDMI.

This TV does have one of the best pictures around.
post #1586 of 3924
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Originally Posted by cdaburnab View Post

Call the cable company, they'll replace the wires for free. Aside from that you definitely should NOT remove the plastic on the screen, it's not like other HDMI tv's that tell you to remove it, it's specifically telling you not to remove it for a good reason. Aside form that the tv is a 47' incher....recommended viewing distance is 7-12 feet away......
You need to hook a computer up to your TV and play something in pure 1080p, HDMI-HDMI or DVI-HDMI.
This TV does have one of the best pictures around.

replace which wires? The RF cable or the hdmi? I just recently picked up the dvr hd box and they gave me the hdmi cables. So it is new. I also purchased amazonbasics hdmi cable for my x360. I tried both hdmi cables and they looked the same.

i agree on the viewing distance. I do need to be farther. However, it is still noticeable.
post #1587 of 3924
I recently ditched cable, and I am not watching whatever DTV channels I get through my internet connection. I have comcast in Atlanta, and any ttempt to view program information just say s"No program information." Does anybody ever get program information? I would also love if I could rename the channels, because I have no idea what channels I am watching without any information on the guide.

I also find that running hdmi to the tv and then optical to the receiver does not result in Dolby digital. I get dolby from the cable, though. Somebody else mentioned an engineering menu that has an option. Is this really required to get HDMI in to dolby out?


I also can't understand how anybody uses this tv with the white balance on warm. Everything white looks yellowish when I do.
post #1588 of 3924
I realize there are alot of posts,but if you look through some of your questions will be answered. It does take some effort to get Dolby Digital out of the TV, and I don't know why it doesn't come that way. But it's very possible to do. I personally posted that I too find warm being too red, and leaves whites not white, but there are ways to overcome that and posted how within the regular user menu.
You should be getting program information for the channel you are on, but for some reason since the updates to the original software it will not give you info for the other channels.

Bottom line, because there are so many settings, it really is possible to get a very good picture to meet just about anyone's taste. When there is a good HD source, this TV really has an excellent picture. And like almost any TV, it takes time and some fiddling to get what you want. I recently made a small change even though I thought I was done making changes.
post #1589 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

I realize there are alot of posts,but if you look through some of your questions will be answered. It does take some effort to get Dolby Digital out of the TV, and I don't know why it doesn't come that way. But it's very possible to do. I personally posted that I too find warm being too red, and leaves whites not white, but there are ways to overcome that and posted how within the regular user menu.
You should be getting program information for the channel you are on, but for some reason since the updates to the original software it will not give you info for the other channels.
Bottom line, because there are so many settings, it really is possible to get a very good picture to meet just about anyone's taste. When there is a good HD source, this TV really has an excellent picture. And like almost any TV, it takes time and some fiddling to get what you want. I recently made a small change even though I thought I was done making changes.

Thanks for the tips. Since I have owned this tv, I have read this entire thread. At any given time, however, I was probably really only on the lookout for a single issue, and it is fairly difficult to search through this entire thread at this point. I'll look a bit more into the dolby digital issue, as that is now my main concern.
post #1590 of 3924
Can anyone say that does not have Dirty screen effect because of 3d polarising filter ?

I have LM760s and manifacture date is June 2012, Dirty screen effect is pretty bad.

This video will show dse very good. look the sky, you should see dirty patches, when camera moves.

watch in full screen and full hd on your TV.
Banding dirty screen effect (DSE) test - YouTube

I tested all models LM series manifactured in April and they all had bad dirty screen effect.

Rumorse are that newer LG tvs manifactured in august, september... do not have DSE. (so maybe they fixed it)

I will be very grateful for your info.
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