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post #1921 of 3924
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Originally Posted by rebelx View Post

Darn, I knew it wasn't just my eyes. The PS3 does *look* better. That'll be a wrench in my plans trying to get rid of it. What's the point of a high end television if the source is going to be lousy. Have you tried any of the Roku boxes or the like? PQ similar to the PS3?
I'm not sure what I did for settings on the PS3, but whenever I hit that input, I see "1080p 60hz" automatically on the top right hand corner. I haven't figure out a way to change this to anything else. The PS3's video output is set to HDMI with no changes to the default settings.

the info display that says 1080p 60hz is telling you the resolution and refresh rate of the incoming signal, not what the tv is converting that signal to--this is how all tv info displays work, btw. The tv's settings are saved on a per-input basis, so you may have different settings on the PS3 input than on others.
post #1922 of 3924
Has anyone successfully used the DIRECTV 3D with their 55LM7600?
post #1923 of 3924
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Originally Posted by lmc108 View Post

Has anyone successfully used the DIRECTV 3D with their 55LM7600?
Yup i tried it on my dtv the espn 3d. And it looks awesome. My set was pro calibrated though.
post #1924 of 3924
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The 55LM7600's that I've seen in stores looked really dim even without the glasses. Is this an out-of-the-box setting? It was set to "Vivid", and I've heard of people running to turn off the ambient light sensor to have it bright all the time.

The ECO mode is responsible for doing this. It makes the TV go dim to save energy. You can turn it off or use a higher energy setting and the brightness comes right back smile.gif
post #1925 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

The 55LM7600's that I've seen in stores looked really dim even without the glasses. Is this an out-of-the-box setting? It was set to "Vivid", and I've heard of people running to turn off the ambient light sensor to have it bright all the time.

???? Of course you turn off something that is meant to dim the picture if you think it is too dim... Maybe I don't understand what you are asking? There is more than one setting that dims the picture, the sensor is only one.
post #1926 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

???? Of course you turn off something that is meant to dim the picture if you think it is too dim... Maybe I don't understand what you are asking? There is more than one setting that dims the picture, the sensor is only one.
This was answered by Havoc, but to clear it up for you: Yes, there is more than one setting that dims the picture--->but I said it was in "Vivid". There, they limit the controls you have, and in fact the BestBuy grunt couldn't get the brightness up once on vivid--->"Brightness" was a greyed out thing---and other settings seemed maxed out. I found it alarming....Vivid is usually what you'll find in big box stores with the utmost "blast over your background lights and make the picture unGodly bright". In fact I've heard it speculated that that's pretty much *all* it's for, albeit glibly.

To make a long question very short: Some TV's are natively darker than others. The low end Panas I saw seemed muted and nearly all Samsungs made me blind as a bat. I was worried that the darkness might be something immutably endemic to the 55LM7600. Which is what the BB guy said. This needed clarification.
post #1927 of 3924
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"Brightness" was a greyed out thing---and other settings seemed maxed out. I found it alarming....Vivid is usually what you'll find in big box stores with the utmost "blast over your background lights and make the picture unGodly bright". In fact I've heard it speculated that that's pretty much *all* it's for, albeit glibly.

Hmm that must have been an old firmware. The newest firmware has brightness tweakable in Vivid mode.
post #1928 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

This was answered by Havoc, but to clear it up for you: Yes, there is more than one setting that dims the picture--->but I said it was in "Vivid". There, they limit the controls you have, and in fact the BestBuy grunt couldn't get the brightness up once on vivid--->"Brightness" was a greyed out thing---and other settings seemed maxed out. I found it alarming....Vivid is usually what you'll find in big box stores with the utmost "blast over your background lights and make the picture unGodly bright". In fact I've heard it speculated that that's pretty much *all* it's for, albeit glibly.
To make a long question very short: Some TV's are natively darker than others. The low end Panas I saw seemed muted and nearly all Samsungs made me blind as a bat. I was worried that the darkness might be something immutably endemic to the 55LM7600. Which is what the BB guy said. This needed clarification.

I don't know what was up with the demo you saw at BB but we have a 7600 at the Sears where I work and it's every bit as bright as the brightest Samsungs. I own a 47LM6400 and it's also capable of burning out one's retinas. Inadequate light output is not a problem with these sets.

Btw, the "brightness" control doesn't have much if any effect on light output--it's more accurately called "black level" and adjusts how dark the dark parts of the picture are--turning it up too far just washes out the blacks. The backlight control in combination with the Contrast contro (properly called "white level") are what affect light output. My guess is that the set at BB may have been in "store" mode which locked out some adjustments to keep passersby from messing up the pq too much.
Edited by Steve S - 11/26/12 at 4:26pm
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Hi guys...... I am posting this hear in the LM7600 forum, although my tv is a LM9600. This could effect you guys as well.


I just updated the firmware to 04.20.18.. After that i was toggling the "Led Local Dimming" picture setting my adjustment immediately went from having;

4-Options of; "Off", "Low", "Med", "High"

-To just having-

3-Options of; "Low", "Med", "High"

It would appear that LG or an update quirk took away the adjustment option of "Off"! I know for sure I had "Off" before this update, and it's actually still showing in the built in owners manual. Can someone else please confirm that the recent update has removed "Off" from the Led Local Dimming Adjustment.

If no one reports this I will try a reset as the LG rep suggested. Thanks.

FYI.. I contacted LG. They haven't heard of this and informed me the firmware addressed the following; "SDP 3.0 LG smart world- Adverstise click to web connection- Update social center function- Update search function- Email ID login- Remote service- Game world service".
Edited by badabing - 11/26/12 at 4:42pm
post #1930 of 3924
updated mine about an hour ago mine are all still there
post #1931 of 3924
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Originally Posted by redrocker24 View Post

updated mine about an hour ago mine are all still there

Ok, so your Led Local Dimming option still has "Off" as an option, even after toggling through Low, Med, High, after High you still have "Off" as an option. I just did a full factory reset and still no return of "Off". I'm not concerned with having it "Off" but maybe the board that allows for that is not working right. I'll have to call LG tomorrow.

I saved the prior firmware but LG website states you can't load older firmware. frown.gif
Edited by badabing - 11/26/12 at 8:00pm
post #1932 of 3924
yes just tried it again off is still there.if you have a regular lg remote you can reverse the software back.
post #1933 of 3924
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Originally Posted by redrocker24 View Post

yes just tried it again off is still there.if you have a regular lg remote you can reverse the software back.

Hi, Yes, I also have a regular remote. It works fine. Please tell me the steps, I have the older firmware on USB but once I plug it into the usb it does not start an update, but I can navigate to the folder.
post #1934 of 3924
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

I don't know what was up with the demo you saw at BB but we have a 7600 at the Sears where I work and it's every bit as bright as the brightest Samsungs. I own a 47LM6400 and it's also capable of burning out one's retinas. Inadequate light output is not a problem with these sets.
This is great news, thanks! At sears, are you talking about the 55" or 47"?
post #1935 of 3924
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

I don't know what was up with the demo you saw at BB but we have a 7600 at the Sears where I work and it's every bit as bright as the brightest Samsungs. I own a 47LM6400 and it's also capable of burning out one's retinas. Inadequate light output is not a problem with these sets.....

Add to that, there are other controls as I pointed out they could have had on, such as Clear plus, high local dimming, sensor, etc..... You should always ask to play with the TV in regular mode before deciding a picture is not good, too dim, etc... Even in the original software in Vivid brightness was always available so I have to guess it was in Store mode.
post #1936 of 3924
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Originally Posted by redrocker24 View Post

yes just tried it again off is still there.if you have a regular lg remote you can reverse the software back.

I do not believe that to be true. If you know how to do that please post. To my knowledge LG says you can not go back to an older software. (Perhaps a tech can)
post #1937 of 3924
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Hi guys...... I am posting this hear in the LM7600 forum, although my tv is a LM9600. This could effect you guys as well.
I just updated the firmware to 04.20.18.. After that i was toggling the "Led Local Dimming" picture setting my adjustment immediately went from having;
4-Options of; "Off", "Low", "Med", "High"
-To just having-
3-Options of; "Low", "Med", "High"
It would appear that LG or an update quirk took away the adjustment option of "Off"! I know for sure I had "Off" before this update, and it's actually still showing in the built in owners manual. Can someone else please confirm that the recent update has removed "Off" from the Led Local Dimming Adjustment.
If no one reports this I will try a reset as the LG rep suggested. Thanks.
...

I have not lost the OFF either.
post #1938 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

This is great news, thanks! At sears, are you talking about the 55" or 47"?

55" 7600, 55"6700, 47"6700, 55"6200 all on display and all have plenty of light output. We love the 6700 and 7600 demos as they're the only 3D demo setups in the store that actually work--all the active ones have broken glasses or glitchy mfg. provided demo servers. Our dept is lit up like an autombile or appliance showroom btw.
Edited by Steve S - 11/27/12 at 12:17pm
post #1939 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

I have not lost the OFF either.

Thank you for checking. The LG rep was baffled. They are looking into it. Actually, I am also baffled.. Maybe I have Houdini's spirit living in my set and he made the "Off" vanish.. lol smile.gif
post #1940 of 3924
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

55" 7600, 55"6700, 47"6700, 55"6200 all on display and all have plenty of light output. My 6400 is from Costco. We love the 6700 and 7600 demos as they're the only 3D demo setups in the store that actually work--all the active ones have broken glasses or glitchy mfg. provided demo servers. Our dept is lit up like an autombile or appliance showroom btw.

All this is wonderful to hear. Thanks!
post #1941 of 3924
Just replaced my previous 4 year old JVC 56" 1080P set with this new LG LM7600. Calibrated it and downloaded latest Software/firmware and it looks great !
***** BUT - I get intermittent Audio out of SYNC *****

After switching gear around, it seems the Component input has major issues maintaining Audio Sync with anything coming in through the component input.

Especially bad, is anything recorded on my PVR and routed through my receiver and then into the TV via component. (Two Other TV's had zero problems with this)

My THX certified Onkyo Receiver NEVER caused my previous two 1080P TV's any audio sync problems, but this set seems to only be happy if everything comes in via HDMI input.

I have heard of others having problems with various LG "Smart" TV's and audio sync, but without reading all 66 pages here, I am wondering if anyone has discovered a workaround? My THX certified Receiver is still in excellent shape and I will not be throwing it in the dust bin and spending another $1000 on a new replacement just to satisfy this TV.

I called LG and they said to:

1) Go into the menu and turn on Audio Sync (well duh - had already done that)

2) They said if that does not work, input my Bell PVR directly into the TV via HDMI - I said I never had to do that before and I like full surround via my awesome music system - they then said I should TAKE BACK THE TV! I said Whaaaa? They said TAKE BACK THE TV! Seriously!!!

So it looks like I either spend another grand on a new THX certified HDMI capable receiver, and throw out all my component equipment, Karoake box, DVD recorder, Vulkano, and more, or find another brand of TV that can still handle Component input without mangling the audio sync.

:-| :-|
post #1942 of 3924
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Originally Posted by SampleSlicer View Post

Just replaced my previous 4 year old JVC 56" 1080P set with this new LG LM7600. Calibrated it and downloaded latest Software/firmware and it looks great !
***** BUT - I get intermittent Audio out of SYNC *****
After switching gear around, it seems the Component input has major issues maintaining Audio Sync with anything coming in through the component input.
Especially bad, is anything recorded on my PVR and routed through my receiver and then into the TV via component. (Two Other TV's had zero problems with this)
My THX certified Onkyo Receiver NEVER caused my previous two 1080P TV's any audio sync problems, but this set seems to only be happy if everything comes in via HDMI input.
I have heard of others having problems with various LG "Smart" TV's and audio sync, but without reading all 66 pages here, I am wondering if anyone has discovered a workaround? My THX certified Receiver is still in excellent shape and I will not be throwing it in the dust bin and spending another $1000 on a new replacement just to satisfy this TV.
I called LG and they said to:
1) Go into the menu and turn on Audio Sync (well duh - had already done that)
2) They said if that does not work, input my Bell PVR directly into the TV via HDMI - I said I never had to do that before and I like full surround via my awesome music system - they then said I should TAKE BACK THE TV! I said Whaaaa? They said TAKE BACK THE TV! Seriously!!!
So it looks like I either spend another grand on a new THX certified HDMI capable receiver, and throw out all my component equipment, Karoake box, DVD recorder, Vulkano, and more, or find another brand of TV that can still handle Component input without mangling the audio sync.
:-| :-|

There is a lot more processing going on in this TV then your previous 2. I have the 8600 and I do get synch issues from time to time, but not much anymore.
Why are you sending the signal from your receiver to your TV? Just wondering......I have the sound turned off on my TV now, I have only been using the receiver.
post #1943 of 3924
found one thing that minimizes, not fixes entirely, this Audio Sync.component issue - run the TV in GAME MODE only - unfortunately, that takes away the great looking picture quaIity created in my EXPERT 1 setting, and looks lousy for anything other than fast moving games.

TV is likely going back.
post #1944 of 3924
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Originally Posted by SampleSlicer View Post

found one thing that minimizes, not fixes entirely, this Audio Sync.component issue - run the TV in GAME MODE only - unfortunately, that takes away the great looking picture quaIity created in my EXPERT 1 setting, and looks lousy for anything other than fast moving games.
TV is likely going back.

I assume you tried the different sound processor settings.....
post #1945 of 3924
Re Why are you sending the signal from your receiver to your TV

Well back in the day (a long 3 years ago ;-), it was considered state of the art for a home theatre to run all your gear first into and through your Receiver/Amplifier, then one single output to the TV. This way you can listen to any xbox, playstation, DVD player, Satellite receiver, Karaoke machine, Cable PVR, TIVO, DVD player, Media Centre PC etc etc, all in glorious Theatre quality THX listening environment via a 5.1 or even 7.1 surround sound system and monster speakers (in my case, 5.1 system with classic EV Studio monitors as Main Left and Right fronts).

I am scratching my head wondering if home theater systems have changed? Surely with only 4 HDMI's per average TV, it still makes perfect sense to first run all your gear through a powerful Amp/Receiver system, and then go to the TV?
post #1946 of 3924
re I assume you tried the different sound processor settings.....

I think so, but if you would be so kind as to list them, I might have missed something?
post #1947 of 3924
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Originally Posted by SampleSlicer View Post

Just replaced my previous 4 year old JVC 56" 1080P set with this new LG LM7600. Calibrated it and downloaded latest Software/firmware and it looks great !
***** BUT - I get intermittent Audio out of SYNC *****
After switching gear around, it seems the Component input has major issues maintaining Audio Sync with anything coming in through the component input.
Especially bad, is anything recorded on my PVR and routed through my receiver and then into the TV via component. (Two Other TV's had zero problems with this)
My THX certified Onkyo Receiver NEVER caused my previous two 1080P TV's any audio sync problems, but this set seems to only be happy if everything comes in via HDMI input.
I have heard of others having problems with various LG "Smart" TV's and audio sync, but without reading all 66 pages here, I am wondering if anyone has discovered a workaround? My THX certified Receiver is still in excellent shape and I will not be throwing it in the dust bin and spending another $1000 on a new replacement just to satisfy this TV.
I called LG and they said to:
1) Go into the menu and turn on Audio Sync (well duh - had already done that)
2) They said if that does not work, input my Bell PVR directly into the TV via HDMI - I said I never had to do that before and I like full surround via my awesome music system - they then said I should TAKE BACK THE TV! I said Whaaaa? They said TAKE BACK THE TV! Seriously!!!
So it looks like I either spend another grand on a new THX certified HDMI capable receiver, and throw out all my component equipment, Karoake box, DVD recorder, Vulkano, and more, or find another brand of TV that can still handle Component input without mangling the audio sync.
:-| :-|

Whoa. I might end up in precisely that scenario.

It's pretty common though. You can try a gadget like this one to delay the RCA audio. It's about $85 though.

AV Toolbox AP-411 Lip Sync Corrector
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/760361-REG/AV_Toolbox_AP_411_AP_411_Lip_Sync_Corrector.html
760361.jpg
post #1948 of 3924
Does the 7600 have a synced audio out (other than the HDMI 1.4 imbedded return) that he can run to the receiver?
post #1949 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Does the 7600 have a synced audio out (other than the HDMI 1.4 imbedded return) that he can run to the receiver?

Yeah. Optical(SPDIF)
post #1950 of 3924
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Does the 7600 have a synced audio out (other than the HDMI 1.4 imbedded return) that he can run to the receiver?

The 7600 does have a "sync to external speakers", but that means you can only hook up 4 HDMI devices to the TV and 1 Component and 1 RCA, and have to point and switch inputs on the TV screen - the clumsy no-input "magic controller" has NO input button - every time you want to switch from PVR, to DVD to Karoake to Playstation etc. in my case that means lots of new HDMI gear, and lots of new 10 foot HDMI cables going across the room into the TV, rather than all my current (mix of component and HDMI) gear on one tidy stand with short cables mostly component, going into the AMP/Receiver first as I have previously run successfully .

I much prefer the latter approach and I am amazed that LG didn't seem to think of this scenario.
Edited by SampleSlicer - 11/27/12 at 1:39pm
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