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post #211 of 3922
Unfortuently you have fallen prey to the marketing wonder that is LG.

The TV LCD panel is 60hz.. All day... Every day... Forever.

However it uses a combination of flashing the backlight and trumotion (made up frames) to give you the psudeo appearance of what a 240hz parnel "would" kinda look like if it existed in their lineup.

These are 60hz tvs with software (that most people turn off) to give a pretend 240hz feel to the tv. The software is usually turned off as it causes distortion of the image, I correct frame guessing, delay, and worst of all soap opera effect.

Funnily enough, you were fooled on April fools day by a marketing department that try to fool everyone else all year round.

Sorry,
You can't change the refresh rate of the tv, you can change the input sent to the tv, but it will then always manipulate that in any way it can to display it at 60hz... Be it a 3:2 - 2:2 - 3:3 - 5:5 pull down etc or by adding new frames and flashing its backlight like a maniac!
post #212 of 3922
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Originally Posted by taxman193 View Post

Still trying to tweak this picture but still not happy. I may purchase a calibration disk or just get the professional service.

I do have a couple of questions I am hoping someone can answer:

1) When I highlight the information screen on top it says 60hz. Should this say 240hz? Does the 60hz just refer to the signal coming in and that will always be 60hz and not 240hz?

2) I saw some comments that one of the reasons they purchased this TV was the ability to adjust the refresh rate. What are they referring too? Are they referring to the fact you can adjust the True Motion between the different settings or is there some way to adjust the refresh rate between 60 and 240hz?

3) I also saw a comment that someone loved the "Clear Plus" setting in the True Motion settings. When I use this setting all it seems to do it make the picture very dim and I do not notice any difference in picture quality. In fact, I don't notice a difference in picture quality between any of the True Motion settings. I had a Sony before I purchased this TV and when I toggled with that TV's motion settings it made an immediate impact where you really noticed a difference. How do I know if my True Motion is working on this TV? How do I know if I am getting 240hz?

Thanks

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp
post #213 of 3922
Thanks guys for the answers above. You guys are the best and that explains that.

Do you guys see a big difference when switching between clear, clear plus, smooth?

Now if I could only get the picture to my liking. Not even sure I can take it back anymore since I threw out the box ?

By the way, with a plasma and 600hz ...does that work the same way or are actually getting a much higher real refresh rate with a plasma ? Maybe I should of got a plasma..missing my sony right now.
post #214 of 3922
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Originally Posted by taxman193 View Post

Maybe I should of got a plasma..missing my sony right now.

I'm in the same boat right now. I have a Samsung UN55D8000 and while I like it, I can't deal with certain imperfections. The minor flashlighting and horizontal banding during panning up/down scenes. I'm waiting on the LG 55LM9600 and in the meantime, driving my friend crazy. Telling him to hold the Samsung PN60E8000(plasma) when it comes in this month. My problem is that I have a dark living room, with no sunlight. From my experience,these LED's show their imperfections in a dark room...no matter what settings you come up with. I'm hoping the full backlight nano-LED in the LM9600 will prove otherwise. Then I have to think about moving from active shutter to passive.
post #215 of 3922
taxman, i was an early poster in this thread as i had bought the 7600 but coincidentally returned it for the sony hx929.

i'm actually not replying to make you feel bad, but to say that i had also threw out the lg box and was still able to return it to bb. if you didn't get it there then this won't help.

try turning off trumotion alltogether..that was the first thing i did and loved the hd image, but had other issues i was not happy with.

good luck!
post #216 of 3922
[i]DedicatedHT taxman, i was an early poster in this thread as i had bought the 7600 but coincidentally returned it for the sony hx929.

i'm actually not replying to make you feel bad, but to say that i had also threw out the lg box and was still able to return it to bb. if you didn't get it there then this won't help.

try turning off trumotion alltogether..that was the first thing i did and loved the hd image, but had other issues i was not happy with.

good luck!

Thanks .. I did buy it from BB so I was wondering if they would still take it back without the box. That's good news ! Although I really want to keep this TV and love it but if I can't get the picture settings to look better then what I have now ...then I think I am going to have to return it for either a Samsung or the Panasonic 65 inch Plasma.

Curious ..what other problems did you have that convinced you to take it back?
post #217 of 3922
Thread Starter 
I got this set the day it came out and I returned it not even a week later. I just could not get the picture to look how I wanted. I ended up getting the Samsung UN55D8000. I am very happy with it. Much better picture in my opinion
post #218 of 3922
After playing around with my TV's settings a lot, I feel I've settled on my own ideal picture set-up for an HDMI connected device.

Before I give my settings, though, I'd also like to try and point out two of the settings that have a dramatic impact on the overall picture. These are... "Black Level" and "LED Local Dimming," which are both found under the Picture Option submenu.

"Black Level" can be set to Low or High.
Low = darker blacks
High = no extra blacks (i.e. it mimics a non-LED backlit LCD TV)
On DVDs and Blu-Ray, you should have this set to LOW for the best picture quality. However, if you're watching something like a x264 MP4 file you've downloaded off the internet or other standard def source, you may want to set this option to High so you can make out more details in black areas.
Since you can set-up 2 custom profiles (Expert 1 and Expert 2) per source, you can have one set to to either setting and just flip them back and forth.

Now "LED Local Dimming," I've seen quite a few recommendations to have this set to HIGH, but I've found that this setting to cause some vertical banding during panning scenes. I've set my TV from High to LOW and the issue has cleared itself up. (Note that I wouldn't turn it completely Off as it just washes out the image then.)


Here are my Settings...

[EDIT: I've tweaked this list to show some alternate choices of what you could try. The actual settings I'm using can be found in post #223.]:

Backlight: 90 -or- 100
Contrast: 75 -or- 92
Brightness: 52 -or- 58
V-Sharpness: 0 -or- 10
H-Sharpness: 0 -or- 10
Color: 60 -or- 53
Tint: 0
Color Temp: 0

-Expert Control-
Dynamic Contrast: Off -or- Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
xxYCC: Off
Color Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off
Gamma: 2.2
-White Balance-
Color Temperature: Medium
[rest default under White Balance menu]

-Picture Option-
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off [note: only changeable when a Blu-Ray is playing]
Eye Care: Off
LED Local Dimming: Low
TruMotion: Off


The reason I list an alternate choice for Contrast/Color is that you should try as many choices as you can and see you personally like best for your room. I personally like 75/60 as it makes colors pop a bit more given all my other setting changes. You should try 92/53 and see how you like it, though. Really, it all depends on what you turn off in the submenus beforehand.
post #219 of 3922
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Originally Posted by adam_omega42 View Post

After playing around with my TV's settings a lot, I feel I've settled on my own ideal picture set-up for an HDMI connected device.

Before I give my settings, though, I'd also like to try and point out two of the settings that have a dramatic impact on the overall picture. These are... "Black Level" and "LED Local Dimming," which are both found under the Picture Option submenu.

"Black Level" can be set to Low or High.
Low = darker blacks
High = no extra blacks (i.e. it mimics a non-LED backlit LCD TV)
On DVDs and Blu-Ray, you should have this set to LOW for the best picture quality. However, if you're watching something like a x264 MP4 file you've downloaded off the internet or other standard def source, you may want to set this option to High so you can make out more details in black areas.
Since you can set-up 2 custom profiles (Expert 1 and Expert 2) per source, you can have one set to to either setting and just flip them back and forth.

Now "LED Local Dimming," I've seen quite a few recommendations to have this set to HIGH, but I've found that this setting to cause some vertical banding during panning scenes. I've set my TV from High to LOW and the issue has cleared itself up. (Note that I wouldn't turn it completely Off as it just washes out the image then.)

Here are my Preferred Settings:

Backlight: 100
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 58 (alt: 92)
V-Sharpness: 0 -or- 10
H-Sharpness: 0 -or- 10
Color: 60 (alt. 53)
Tint: 0
Color Temp: 0

-Expert Control-
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
xxYCC: Off
Color Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off
Gamma: 2.2
-White Balance-
Color Temperature: Medium
[rest default under White Balance menu]

-Picture Option-
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off
Eye Care: Off
LED Local Dimming: Low
TruMotion: Off

The reason I list an alternate choice for Contrast/Color is that you should try as many choices as you can and see you personally like best for your room. I personally like 75/60 as it makes colors pop a bit more given all my other setting changes. You should try 92/53 and see how you like it, though. Really, it all depends on what you turn off in the submenus beforehand.

How do you get decent black levels with your backlight on 100?
post #220 of 3922
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Originally Posted by mozilla314 View Post

How do you get decent black levels with your backlight on 100?

When I originally did my settings, I heard comments that my backlight was too low, so I took it all the way up to 100.

You can reduce the backlight to something like 80 ~ 90 and it'll reduce the washed out look by adding back some extra blacks. Having the backlight set to 90 looks nice with the settings I listed.

Alternately...
I've tried Blacklight at 100, and Contrast at 52 and that gives a nice black level as well. So give that a try.
post #221 of 3922
Thank you for posting your settings. I will try these. I tried some other cnet settings for LG tv's but can't find the LM7600.

So I assume you did not change any of the specific white settings for colors and color management color settings? You just left them as is ...zero. I was looking for a complete set of settings with the specific color management and white balance settings. I guess if I have the tv calibrated maybe they would set these to the optimum settings.

I am really getting discouraged with this tv. I am tempted to take it back but I like the passive 3d and other features so not sure I want to revert to a samsung.

If any one else has a complete set of settings I would appreciate it if you posted them. Thanks
post #222 of 3922
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Originally Posted by taxman193 View Post

So I assume you did not change any of the specific white settings for colors and color management color settings? You just left them as is ...zero. I was looking for a complete set of settings with the specific color management and white balance settings. I guess if I have the tv calibrated maybe they would set these to the optimum settings.

Yes, I left the color management settings at 0. So no changes there.


Quote:
I am really getting discouraged with this tv. I am tempted to take it back but I like the passive 3d and other features so not sure I want to revert to a samsung.

I personally love the TV. In fact, I upgraded from a Philips 42PFL6704D, which had some of the most amazing colors for an LCD. My problem was trying to match those vibrant colors (i.e. nice neon colors), which none of the settings I was finding online were able to do. The settings that the TelevisionInfo review lists, for instance, wash the LG's picture color out when you turn off most of the submenu settings, so that's definitely not ideal. So... I had to come up with my own settings that made the colors pop like they should.

Btw, since I tweaked a few things since my earlier post, here are the settings that I'm personally using currently. Feel free to give them a shot and see how you like them. If you take care of the Expert Control and Picture Option submenus first, it should just a matter of tweaking Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, and Color to your individual liking.

Backlight: 90
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 52
V-Sharpness: 0
H-Sharpness: 0
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Color Temp: 0

-Expert Control-
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
xxYCC: Off
Color Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off
Gamma: 2.2

-White Balance-
Color Temperature: Medium
Method: 2 Points
Pattern: Outer
Points: High
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0

-Color Management System-
Color: Red
Saturation: 0
Tint: 0
Luminance: 0

-Picture Option-
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low [note: some video sources look better with this on High]
Real Cinema: Off
Eye Care: Off
LED Local Dimming: Low
TruMotion: Off



Oh, one last note...
If you're using a PlayStation 3, be sure to turn on these "Display Settings":
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On
RGB Full Range (HDMI): Full
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): On
Deep Color Output (HDMI): Automatic
post #223 of 3922
unfortunate some of yall don't like it, i'm still blow away by the tv, but yet i'm prob not as critical and picky either about TVs. 2d, 3d, 360, ps3, pc. all looks good to me. No sighs from me yet...
post #224 of 3922
Thanks Adam.. I tried your settings and although not perfect it does look great. Still a little washed out in some places but as you said, setting the contrast down to 75 and color up does make it pop. I think I like the color temp to warm a little better and True Motion to smooth but other than that ..looks great so thanks. Still undecided if I will keep it. Maybe the trick was I was trying to go to deep with the settings in the white balance and color management. I was just looking for a clear picture like I had with the Sony (it was stolen last week).

Anyway, thanks again ! This really helped me.
post #225 of 3922
Quote:
Originally Posted by adam_omega42 View Post


Yes, I left the color management settings at 0. So no changes there.

I personally love the TV. In fact, I upgraded from a Philips 42PFL6704D, which had some of the most amazing colors for an LCD. My problem was trying to match those vibrant colors (i.e. nice neon colors), which none of the settings I was finding online were able to do. The settings that the TelevisionInfo review lists, for instance, wash the LG's picture color out when you turn off most of the submenu settings, so that's definitely not ideal. So... I had to come up with my own settings that made the colors pop like they should.

Btw, since I tweaked a few things since my earlier post, here are the settings that I'm personally using currently. Feel free to give them a shot and see how you like them. If you take care of the Expert Control and Picture Option submenus first, it should just a matter of tweaking Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, and Color to your individual liking.

Backlight: 90
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 52
V-Sharpness: 0
H-Sharpness: 0
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Color Temp: 0

-Expert Control-
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
xxYCC: Off
Color Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off
Gamma: 2.2

-White Balance-
Color Temperature: Medium
Method: 2 Points
Pattern: Outer
Points: High
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0

-Color Management System-
Color: Red
Saturation: 0
Tint: 0
Luminance: 0

-Picture Option-
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off
Eye Care: Off
LED Local Dimming: Low
TruMotion: Off

Oh, one last note...
If you're using a PlayStation 3, be sure to turn on these "Display Settings":
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On
RGB Full Range (HDMI): Full
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): On
Deep Color Output (HDMI): Automatic

I never put my backlight over 60-65. That's for daytime. At night I go as low as 35. My contrast is at 92. Brightness at 49 with gamma on 1.9. Looks great to me.
post #226 of 3922
Hi all,

I got sometime to play around with this TV this weekend. I used Disney' WOW Bluray for calibration and here are the settings I ended up with:

NIGHT/Dark Room Setting
Backlight 50
Contrast 90
Brightnesss 52
H sharp 10
V sharp 10
Color 54
Tint 0
Aspect Ratio: Just Scan
Noise Reduction: OFF
MPEG Noise Reduction: OFF
Black Level: LOW
LED Local Dimming: LOW
Trumotion: OFF
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: HIGH
Color Filter: OFF
Gamma: 2.2

Daytime/Artificially Lit Room
Backlight 60
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H sharp 10
V sharp 10
Color 50
Tint 0
Aspect Ratio: Just Scan
Noise Reduction: OFF
MPEG Noise Reduction: OFF
Black Level: LOW
LED Local Dimming: LOW
Trumotion: OFF
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: HIGH
Color Filter: OFF
Gamma: 2.2

Very slight difference between the two settings, but has provided me with a picture that I'm happy with. If anyone wants to tweak their TV they can start with these and make necessary additions.

Also, I set the POWER SAVER to OFF. Having this set to AUTO is a BIG no-no!

If you've received LG Soundbar along with your TV, use the following settings:
Input: Optical 1/2
Sound Effect: BYPASS
Woofer Level: +3 (This is variable given the time of day due to noise restrictions)

Having 3DSound ON messes up with the original audio output. A simple speaker ID check with the Disney WOW disc was terrible when the 3D sound was enabled.

Hope this helps!

P.S: If you play XBOX/PS3 on your TV then I'd say relabel the HDMI port to PC, Audio/Video Setting -> GAME to avoid lag.
post #227 of 3922
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Originally Posted by mozilla314 View Post

I never put my backlight over 60-65. That's for daytime. At night I go as low as 35. My contrast is at 92. Brightness at 49 with gamma on 1.9. Looks great to me.

These are very nice settings. What's your Color set to, though? I'm guessing something between 53~60, but I could be wrong.
post #228 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Threefiddie View Post

unfortunate some of yall don't like it, i'm still blow away by the tv, but yet i'm prob not as critical and picky either about TVs. 2d, 3d, 360, ps3, pc. all looks good to me. No sighs from me yet...

Couldn't agree more. For 99.99% of people who buy this tv, they are going to drool over its picture, 3d capability and functionality. The .01%, those who mainly go to the web forums and want to tweak the tv to get their definition of the perfect picture, they will always find some fault or another.

My non-calibrated eye, like many others I expect absolutely loves this tv!
post #229 of 3922
Hey guys someone finally got a decent review out there with picture settings.....

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1333359799
post #230 of 3922
Quote:
Originally Posted by moparbob7 View Post

Hey guys someone finally got a decent review out there with picture settings.....

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1333359799

Thanks for posting. Gives me hope of my future purchase of the 55LM9600
post #231 of 3922
Just as a FYI ... if you have a .M2TS file that is not recognized by the TV via USB, then rename it to .MKV and it works flawlessly Found it on a google search.

Btw, when playing files off my USB port, I noticed that I have only Standard/Cinema/Vivid etc preset settings .... Expert1/Expert2 settings are missing ... any ideas ?
post #232 of 3922
Quote:
Originally Posted by moparbob7 View Post

Hey guys someone finally got a decent review out there with picture settings.....

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1333359799

Surprised that they're saying they received both remotes with the 7600 (and that "Most of LG's 2012 models come with two remotes).

I haven't heard of anyone receiving the traditional style remote with the 7600.
post #233 of 3922
For those of you that have this TV wall-mounted, what type of mount did you use? I'm still debating whether to go with a low-profile mount like the Sanus VLL10 or something along the lines of a tilting or full motion mount. Our intent is to have it mounted at eye-level a bit above where you see the tv in the pictures, and as close to the opening to the kitchen as possible. I don't think we'd benefit much from a tilting mount. My biggest concern is how the power cable is positioned. It's a 5 ft cord that is fixed pretty near the center and doesn't appear to be retractable. Is a recessed outlet needed, or would a standard outlet work, even behind a slim mount like the one I linked to?
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post #234 of 3922
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Originally Posted by taxman193 View Post


I am really getting discouraged with this tv. I am tempted to take it back but I like the passive 3d and other features so not sure I want to revert to a samsung.

I've purchased two top of the line samsung TVs and both are now not functioning correctly. I have the 55A950 and the LNT4071 and both are experiencing panels' issues. At the time of buying those two TVs, coming from those CRT Sony TV that lasted 10+ years, I did not buy the warranties, expecting it to last me another 10 years I was wrong. 2-3 years after my purchase of those samsungs both are not what they used to. Samsung PQ is great, but now looking back I would rattle pay less for an LG or Sony and probably still have two working TVs today. I will never buy another samsung TV again. I rather buy Vizio, Hyndai, Philips those cheaper brands than spend the money on samsung and have it crap out on me again. I might go back with Sony, but last I heard they dont make their own panels anymore either. Maybe Panasonic next. Nothing beat my 950 Samsung in colors/black/clarity, but the 7600 is not so bad either. I will be keeping my 7600 and will also be buying a 5 years warranty. These TVs are not built to last anymore.
post #235 of 3922
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantastica View Post

Surprised that they're saying they received both remotes with the 7600 (and that "Most of LG's 2012 models come with two remotes).

I haven't heard of anyone receiving the traditional style remote with the 7600.


Yeah, I was going to ask if anybody got the traditional remote.
post #236 of 3922
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Originally Posted by moparbob7 View Post

Yeah, I was going to ask if anybody got the traditional remote.

Nope, just the WII controller
post #237 of 3922
Well I exchanged my 47LM7600 because of real bad flashlighting in the upper corners and across the the top. The 2nd TV is 100% better. Just a little clouding in the left corners but not really bad. I am happy Now!!!!!! I am still trying to figure out the setting.

Does anybody else notice the vertical banding when the scene scans left or right? I really see it on bright or sky scenes. I think it has to do with local dimming. When I turn it off, I really dont see it maybe just a little tiny bit. I tried low, medium, and high and still see it.
post #238 of 3922
Quote:
Originally Posted by moparbob7 View Post

Hey guys someone finally got a decent review out there with picture settings.....

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1333359799


Another good review. Im glad Im not the only one that loves this TV

I wonder how he reviewed the Dual Gaming, since I can't seem to find the glasses anywhere. Maybe he was using the wrong glasses. /shrug
post #239 of 3922
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Originally Posted by thegraz View Post

Another good review. Im glad Im not the only one that loves this TV

I wonder how he reviewed the Dual Gaming, since I can't seem to find the glasses anywhere. Maybe he was using the wrong glasses. /shrug

I guess you can make your own. You take 2 pairs of glasses and take out the lens. Then you use both left lens in one pair of glasses and the other pair you use both right lens. I think
post #240 of 3922
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Originally Posted by moparbob7 View Post

Yeah, I was going to ask if anybody got the traditional remote.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thegraz View Post

Another good review. Im glad Im not the only one that loves this TV

I wonder how he reviewed the Dual Gaming, since I can't seem to find the glasses anywhere. Maybe he was using the wrong glasses. /shrug

I think its the European version of LG TV that came with traditional remote + Magic wand ... and also with Dual-play glasses
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