Official LG XXLM7600 Owners Thread... - Page 95

Hey tampa, It's just saying no update found at this time. I reverted back to the default premium apps, and everything is fine. Maybe since Amazon is no longer in QA and Redbox instant has moved up from QA2, we might see an official release soon. Either way, I've still got Amazon on about 3 different devices that connect to the TV, but I guess I just like tinkering with things.

check the first 3 numbers of serial.... 210= october, 211= november, 212= december...etc.

Monoprice has auto detect/switching hdmi switchs, with varying # of ports.

Not much $ either.

Do the later manufacturing dates have better quality control? I was curious if the flashlighting in the later models had been remedied?

I agree!

How do I install redbox instant in my 7600 TV?

. ( Never heard of this Hulu )
Ah...so how does one become a prime member....does it cost?
I dont see this amazon application anyway

I have my new 7600 setup with a combination of the cnet settings and my own tweaks with the disney WOW dvd. Everything looks REALLY nice, better than the Samsung 6900 I just returned. But theres one thing....the blacks are too washed out, not as defined as they should be. When someone has a black shirt the details get lost. Any tricks to address this?

Love this TV so far.

You set up your TV exactly as I did.

If you don't already, turn on local dimming to low. That helps some and in my opinion makes the overall picture better including light at the edges. I never recommend anything higher than low. If WOW had you make the brightness more than what the CNET settings are, try go back to the CNET settings for brightness. I would say Samsung does have better blacks overall, but the 7600 isn't far behind.
I'm actually surprised you find blacks washed out using the CNET settings, or in combo with WOW unless you turned up brightness alot.

Local Dimming on HIGH made my blacks much better.

Amazon Prime is this kind of ridiculous scheme from Amazon to get people to pay $80 a year for free shipping even though you can get free shipping on the same items for any order over $25 and you still get charged shipping for items that aren't part of the free shipping category. People realized this was idiotic, so they tossed in a very limited number of free movies and tv shows for streaming. Many titles you still have to pay to rent. The only good thing about their streaming is that they put tv shows up much earlier than Netflix which is usually an entire season behind and is often missing random episodes.

Hulu is another tv and video streaming site. Hulu + is their paid service. Both are full of seemingly endless and repeated commercials. Many titles available on the free service are not available on the paid service which is bizarre and the paid service the only way you can access it from Apple mobile devices and various set top boxes and smart tvs. Like Amazon Prime, their tv shows are available much more quickly than they are on Netflix, but you have to watch all those commercials. Their best feature is that the paid service has nearly the entire Criterion Collection available for streaming without commercial interruption so, if you're a film buff, they'd probably be a more fulfilling subscription option than Netflix or Amazon Prime would be for you.

Mubi is another pay movie streaming service with a lot of foreign and independent films. And, of course, you can always overpay iTunes for rentals or purchases. The RedBox streaming app currently has a really, really limited selection of mostly straight to dvd/streaming titles that only a masochist would pay to watch but, hopefully, they'll be able to get some better content before the service goes wide. Crackle also has a small selection of popular but generally older movies and tv shows and they are free with commercials. The Internet Archive has a very interesting collection of old public domain movies, music, radio shows, etc. all for free. SnagFilms has a bunch of documentaries for free. If your primary is interest is current tv shows, a good and growing percentage of channels allow you stream the most recent few episodes for free on their sites generally with commercials but some without; PBS, ABC, NBC and TNT are among the channels that allow streaming without a subscription. And there are many, many other streaming sites of varying legality including YouTube which is now offering legal movie rentals mixed in with some of the less than legal uploads of films people make to the site.
Edited by StCelery - 2/11/13 at 1:20am

You need to discuss something that you actually know something about.

Let's just list this out. Before the advent of their video:

1. No the people didn't realize this was idiotic, because it wasn't. It's a technique used in the past by membership style stores, where it invokes the psychology of "now that I've paid for membership, why go anywhere else?"
2. And from the individual's perspective, it's not a ridiculous scheme either----in fact (long before the video angle) it was such a runaway hit that I heard for weeks on the radio how other sites felt they had no choice but to emulate it.
3. And further, it's not "free shipping", it's "free two-day shipping".
4. Further it ALSO gives you an overnight shipping fee of $3.99.
5. And (this is huge) it relieves you of having to wait and accumulate the $25 for free shipping. That dramatically increases the ease and decision making on my part: I don't have to worry about buying something and then buying something else just to not get hit with shipping cost. Just buy it and >poof< and two days later it shows up.

All this for the "prime eligible" products, of which there are such a plethora that I routinely just shop ONLY for those. Super inexpensive items have recently been dubbed as "addon items" because they are less than the shipping cost, but you can also ask your search to exclude these items if you want, and I've often found them anyway with free shipping without prime.

I know this thread shouldn't degrade into a pro/anti Amazon prime discussion, BUT....I have to add that now that I have it for a few months it is REALLY nice and convenient. I've bought a wide variety of items using it. I don't have to compare stores in terms of location (shipping time) and various shipping costs. Amazon prices are usually the same or less than other online vendors. Amazon has enough warehouses where anything I buy is within 1-2 days of me. All in all I spend less time looking around and comparing costs. OTOH....if you currently by certain products from a given set of retailers, that your happy with, then it may not be for you.

Wow, so as not to turn this into a thread on Amazon, I will only say you really need to check things before posting. I get FAR more than my fee per year from Amazon.

Under no circumstance do I recommend that. I posted a picture in this thread of just one thing detrimental that does to the picture. It makes things that should shine in a scene dull, adds artifacts, just horrible. Making blacks better at the expense of what else it does just isn't worth it to me anyway. I believe I gave links to articles about it.

Does LG have a panel lottery for the mid-upper end sets (LM6700+)? They were "supposed" to be among the only ones left that were always the ones making their own panel, but is this still the case? Or have they also turned into another Samsung-esque crapshoot?

Some observations with my new 7600, and what I went through to get here.

I bought this TV after a month long search and two returns. So far, it looks like this is the one I'll keep. Here's what I bought and why;

-Panasonic Plasma, GT50. Love the Plasma, nice natural picture. Only PQ critique is the the image isn't as crisp/clean as an LED. I think this is because I work looking at an LCD monitor all day so this is what I'm used to. Same with my wife, she never really loved the plasma. After 3+ weeks I started having IR (image retention) issues since I tend to watch the same news channel a couple hours each day. It hurt to have to return this set, but had to since there's no guaranty the IR problems would go away, especially since I watch the same programming daily. Also, since I'm not a huge movie person, the benefits of plasma weren't my 1st priority. The "deep inky blacks" are nice, but there's a lot of other factors too.

-Next set, a Samsung 6900. I thought this was going to be it. Straight on, the picture is good. I spent about a week messing with settings, and the difference between my final settings and out-of-the-box was significant. HOWEVER, there was one thing I could not live with; the off-axis viewing angle. If you get ~20 degrees off the 90 degree axis then the image became somewhat washed out, like the brightness was turned up. Since we watch tv from different angles this was an issue. I know this is true with many LCDs (and can say the the Plasma was superior in this category), but I decided to look around. For another $500 beyond the Samsung 6900 I could jump to the Samsung 7100 with the clear panel. Image was definitely more contrasty and looked nicer. Wasn't crazy about the price jump though.

Enter the LG (and Panasonic). I learned about the IPS panels, like the ones used on iPads. Learned that they have better viewing angles over other LCDs. I looked in my local BB, and agreed with what I heard. The picture definitely popped more than the 6900, and it was only $100 more. I'm not an LG fan, so going to this brand took a little getting used to.

Apparently Panasonic displays use IPS panels too, but I just couldn't find any info on them. The forums here are pretty quiet about the Panasonic LEDs. So, moving to the LG, I think the 7600 offers the look and quality of higher end LCDs, with the IPS and clear/glossy panel.

So, for now I'm happy. But with all the new technology in the last few years it really seems like there's no perfect display, just a matter of compromise. I hope the 7600 hold up for me for the next few weeks (before my return window closes). I feel a little bad about returned two tv's to BB, but OTOH you really don't know what your getting until you set them up, tweak them, and give them a couple weeks. Multiple employees at BB mentioned that they don't mess with tv settings there, that they just take them out of the box and put them on the wall. If so, this means they're displaying them with manufacturer settings that tend to be overly bright and saturated. Which hides a lot of subtleties and deficiencies.

Misc. thoughts;

- I'm not sure what to think of the 60 vs 240hz issue and claims that LG is bs-ing people on this. Are they really scamming us? Does everyone do this? Is it purely a software thing they need to update?

- There's been a lot of talk in the pages I've read here about various aspects of the built in software. Lot of discussions around people having problems with one thing or another, plex, netflix, amazon, other apps. Consider that the whole apps-with-hardware thing is a new trend in the last couple years. I believe that a do-it-all product doesn't do any one thing well. So it doesn't surprise me there's some hickups. If you keep on running into issues consider ROKU or AppleTV. Yes, you *shouldn't* have to spend more money, but OTOH what do you expect from the TV companies. After all, their not used to integrating software with their devices. Having a seperate app device means more supports, better functionality, and a large user base.

Hope this helps anyone considering this tv.

OK...Thanks for clarifying Celery

As for local dimming.....I believe I have mine set to "Low". I think anymore makes the picture a little too unnatural ....darks too dark etc.

OK folks. Went to Frys and they have the 55LM7600 on sale for $1199. Sitting side-by-side versus the 6700, there was no comparison. I so want this TV to be a keeper, but I am not yet comfortable. I've taken a picture of the screen when a blank screen is on (youtube back light bleed test screen). As you can see, there is bleed in both upper left/right corners and a little elsewhere. I did not notice any bleed whatsoever on the in-store demo unit. Please take a look at the attached image and tell me what you think. You can see the blue lights from my old DirecTV DVR on the left.

SO.....do I take this one back and exchange it or is this what I should expect from an LED.....? My other TV is a plasma, so I would appreciate any advice you can provide.

Maybe you should use it for a couple weeks to see if it goes away. Or maybe you'll get used to it? Also, you should spend some time with the tv to see if you want to get another one or not. Plus, in a couplel weeks prices may be even less.

Very similar to mine, if it was me I would not return it. And if you use low local dimming most of that may all but disappear.

Yeah, I'm a little worried that if I were to take it back for a straight exchange, then set #2 might be even worse....I have researched this to death and know that the LM7600 is my first choice. I was looking for 55", passive 3d (for Dual Play gaming), and 240hz. I would just prefer, like anyone, that my set not have any of this bleed, or at least a very minimal amount.

It's a November 2012 build date on this unit. Software is 4.31.30.

This picture occurred on a "blank" screen, that came on for a split second between exiting YouTube and going back to the home screen. I think it's similar to the blank screen that appears just before the log screen appears when the TV is first switched on. I'll probably swing by Frys and see if I can compare that versus the demo unit on the floor.....

Would love to hear from a couple more LM7600 owners on how my image compares to theirs.

Thanks.

Does "low" mean that when using local dimming it dials the light very far down? Or does "low" mean that it's only dialing it down a little (where "low" means to only slightly do it)?

My very limited experience with this new LM7600 is that local dimming on "low" only dials it down a little, versus "high" which seems to dial it down a bit more. I'm still playing with various calibration settings I've found and downloaded to experiment with.

Have you figured out if local dimming eliminates backlight bleed? I am about to pull the trigger on 55LM7600 and flashlighting is the only issue that is holding me back.

In my specific case, using local dimming did not eliminate the bleed. Going from low to high setting reduced it "some", but nowhere near eliminated it. I think because I'm aware of the issue in general, I'm much more sensitive to it than a typical consumer would be. I need to spend some time watching normal content to determine just how much of an impact it will have and whether or not I want to exchange it for that reason.

Unfortunately, I'm just anal enough about all of my equipment that it might continue to bother me.......

Consider the 60LM7200. It's available at Best Buy and pretty much no where else.

People owning the 7200 have in many cases reported removing the *corner* bleed entirely by pressing gently on the corners of the device. They hear a distinct snapping sound as if there is something moving back into the place it should be in.

I floated the theory (in the 7200 forum over there--->) that the reason this works on the 7200 in particular is because the bezel is on top of the facing glass. In the case of the 7600, perhaps a press would work too---but it's being held up by the black border bezel underneath the glass. Note: to clarify---the usage of the term bezel here is not to mean that thin outer housing, but to include the 1cm of surrounding black.

Too bad there's no way to know what percentage of consumers are seeing real horrible flashlighting. My set has fairly minimal flashlighting and I would never consider calling for service for the flashlighting considering it appears to have ZERO impact on active signal. This is verified by watching pretty much anything and when dark or solid color scenes comes up, you can see that there are no bleed areas. I find it's easy to find commercials that use a solid color background which work well for testing this. If the flashlighting was effecting the picture quality, I'd see it on pretty much any solid color areas around the edges.

Is anyone seeing flashlighting/light bleeding in actual active signal content?

Like yours, mine has bleed in the upper right hand corner, but mine is on the top edge, not the right edge. I also had a small bit on the lower left edge but that has disappeared (pics are way earlier in this thread, late June, early July timeframe.) I would say mine is not quite as noticeable as yours, maybe 80% of the bloom yours is showing. When I first got the set I was bothered by it but if there is an HD signal it's undetectable. The only time I see it is if I'm looking for it during that split second break from TV content to commercials, during very dark scenes, or if there isn't an edge-to-edge signal. As I understand it, any LCD TV is going to have some light bleed.

Tough call on whether you should take it back or not. I'd keep it, but it's all personal preference. What if the one you get in exchange is worse? Then again, it's your right to return the set. Let us know what you decide.

For now, I've decided to stop back by Frys and play with the demo unit a little. There is a blank screen at start-up, just prior to the grey, "LG" logo screen, and if the demo has the bleeding, it will be evident on that screen. I just want to see if the demo has it, since my recollection is that it did not. That will have an impact on whether or not I return the set for an exchange.

And, I agree, it would be bad if I exchange the set only to find that set #2 is worse. I want to keep this set; just want the best picture I can get.

Thanks.