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post #2911 of 3596
2/17/13 at 9:26am
The regular LG remote will work......but if you're running the audio through a separate receiver ( non LG ), you still need another remote
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post #2912 of 3596
2/17/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by quaker_18 View Post

Hi,

i have 7600. Some websites stream channel contents online live. when i try to browse them in 7600, it is asking to install silverlight. is it safe to install silverlight? what type of browser is being used in this TV?

Thanks.
any inputs on this?
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post #2913 of 3596
2/17/13 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by roach View Post

You need to gently press the screen in the lower right and left corners of your tv. you will feel a little snap but it will fix the clouding in the corners and greatly improve your picture.

i think your talking about the lm7200 with the corner snapping issue....7600 has a different frame.
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post #2914 of 3596
2/18/13 at 3:44pm
Ok people... tough decision time here.

Because of panel issues with my 7600 set i have three options.

1) Return it for a full refund.

2) Exchange it for a brand new 55LM7600.

3) Upgrade to the 55LM8600 for about $184 extra.

Which route should i take? I am seriously considering upgrading... i really do like the 7600 but that's not too much extra for the dual core processor upgrade.

Arghhhh

Help! haha
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post #2915 of 3596
2/18/13 at 5:36pm
go for the 8600
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post #2916 of 3596
2/18/13 at 7:20pm
I posted a few days back about my LM7600 edge bleed and whether or not I would take the set back. Returned from a weekend trip today, and put in a DVD with black bars top and bottom. Edge bleed was very evident and annoying.

So, I boxed it up and took it back to Frys tonight for an exchange. No questions, very easy. I noted the following:

1. Demo set did not exhibit the same level of bleed as my new set, but the demo set also has 3450 hours on it, so it's been there since the TV's release.
2. My set, which I returned due to the edge bleed, was inventoried and a new price tag was placed on it and it appeared they were going to put it on the floor as an open box unit at $1424, despite my returning it as defective......hmmmm.
3. The LM7600 is back up to $1499 now, so the 2-week run at $1199 has ended.
4. 55" Google TV version is at $1299 this week. 55G2 I think.

Now I just set up the new set, and as one of you suggested.....I think it's worse than the TV I just returned. Great picture, but with black bars or on very dark screens, the bleeding is very evident. Both of these units were November 2012 builds. I probably should have suggested they look for a different month at least. Might have had a better shot at a good one from a different time period.

So, now I am confronted with another decision. I can exchange again I suppose, and have them search for a serial number that would indicate a build month other than November. I was REALLY hoping that this 7600 would be a great set. Or, I can get a refund and head over to Costco and pick up the LM6700 for $999. Next set down. TruMotion 120 instead of 240. I'm concerned about sports and gaming on the slower set, and obviously I might have the same issues on the 6700 as far as bleed.

I want passive 3D, in order to be able to use the Dual Play feature for gaming, and that basically leaves me with LG and Vizio. The current Panasonics with passive 3D are not that great to me. Plus, I don't have a budget to wait for a 2013 model. Need a 2012 on closeout pricing.

Here's a question....any of you that have sets displaying no or only minimal edge bleed.....what is the build month of your set? Shipping might have more to do with this problem, but then again maybe there's something to getting a different lot or batch....I'm just looking for any solution. Since I only paid $1199 for this set, the upgrade fee for me to get the 8600 would be $400, which is too much for me.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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post #2917 of 3596
2/19/13 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by splattered View Post

Ok people... tough decision time here.

Because of panel issues with my 7600 set i have three options.

1) Return it for a full refund.

2) Exchange it for a brand new 55LM7600.

3) Upgrade to the 55LM8600 for about $184 extra.

Which route should i take? I am seriously considering upgrading... i really do like the 7600 but that's not too much extra for the dual core processor upgrade.

Arghhhh

Help! haha

Most reviews for the 8600/860T have not been favorable if you game at all, Input lag measuring over 100ms.
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post #2918 of 3596
2/19/13 at 4:18am
Has there been any confirmation as to the status of Amazon Instant Video being released on the app store for the LM7600? Some people's firmware's had it, some did not. So confusing!
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post #2919 of 3596
2/19/13 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post

I posted a few days back about my LM7600 edge bleed and whether or not I would take the set back. Returned from a weekend trip today, and put in a DVD with black bars top and bottom. Edge bleed was very evident and annoying.

So, I boxed it up and took it back to Frys tonight for an exchange. No questions, very easy. I noted the following:

1. Demo set did not exhibit the same level of bleed as my new set, but the demo set also has 3450 hours on it, so it's been there since the TV's release.
2. My set, which I returned due to the edge bleed, was inventoried and a new price tag was placed on it and it appeared they were going to put it on the floor as an open box unit at $1424, despite my returning it as defective......hmmmm.
3. The LM7600 is back up to $1499 now, so the 2-week run at $1199 has ended.
4. 55" Google TV version is at $1299 this week. 55G2 I think.

Now I just set up the new set, and as one of you suggested.....I think it's worse than the TV I just returned. Great picture, but with black bars or on very dark screens, the bleeding is very evident. Both of these units were November 2012 builds. I probably should have suggested they look for a different month at least. Might have had a better shot at a good one from a different time period.

So, now I am confronted with another decision. I can exchange again I suppose, and have them search for a serial number that would indicate a build month other than November. I was REALLY hoping that this 7600 would be a great set. Or, I can get a refund and head over to Costco and pick up the LM6700 for $999. Next set down. TruMotion 120 instead of 240. I'm concerned about sports and gaming on the slower set, and obviously I might have the same issues on the 6700 as far as bleed.

I want passive 3D, in order to be able to use the Dual Play feature for gaming, and that basically leaves me with LG and Vizio. The current Panasonics with passive 3D are not that great to me. Plus, I don't have a budget to wait for a 2013 model. Need a 2012 on closeout pricing.

Here's a question....any of you that have sets displaying no or only minimal edge bleed.....what is the build month of your set? Shipping might have more to do with this problem, but then again maybe there's something to getting a different lot or batch....I'm just looking for any solution. Since I only paid $1199 for this set, the upgrade fee for me to get the 8600 would be $400, which is too much for me.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

I would give the LM7600 one more try. The LM8600 doesn't sound to be worth the extra $400, certainly based on the review televisioninfo.com gives it. In this review, which was posted on Feb. 15,2013, they give the set a poor rating for both motion performance and screen uniformity. The LM6700 though claimed to have 120Hz Trumotion by LG is by all accounts only a 60Hz panel with a crippled Trumotion feature. If you like using the fully implemented Trumotion feature on your 7600 you will definitely be disappointed with the 6700.
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post #2920 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by rebelx View Post

Has there been any confirmation as to the status of Amazon Instant Video being released on the app store for the LM7600? Some people's firmware's had it, some did not. So confusing!

Whose TV's firmware has it? Do you have a link to people's reports or are you guessing? The only way I've heard of this happening is to fool the TV into a kind of engineering mode. Scroll backwards in this thread aways or do the search: Tampa8 had done fantastic extensive work on that very question.
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post #2921 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:22am
Regarding edge bleed, my 7600 has a small amount of it too. Mostly top right and some top left. But you know what, I only notice it when the screen is black and when I'm actually looking for it. Most of the time, when watching tv, people focus on the middle of the screen and anything around the perimeter is far less noticable. So, I think its an issue I can live with.

The thing with any LCD or Plasma there's always a compromise. Since I only notice it when looking for it and on black screens then so be it. There's bigger issues with other sets out there.
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post #2922 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by flhthemi

Well since I can't find out how to do a full factory reset or if I can rollback the FW safely or if I can flash it again, I'm calling LG service to complain. This in hope that I can add my name to the list of people with problems with V4.31.43.
Maybe they'll fix it and update us again with a working FW.

Good way to handle it. Either it's widespread and a fix will be made, or it's only a few and they will replace/fix yours as needed. The more who let LG know the quicker it will be addressed.

Well I did call and they walked me through a full reset. It seems to have helped but NOT resolved the problem.
Yes..if you have the same problem please call LG and complain as this is the only way they have of knowing the problem exists. I just can't figure out what it is EXACTLY I do that sets the condition for this to happen. Initally it would do it the very first time you viewed a video or photo after switching from HDMI 1 (where my AT&T U-Verse box is). Now, after the reset, it seems pretty random. Ah well, such is life. But please report to LG if you are having the same issue.
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post #2923 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post


Here's a question....any of you that have sets displaying no or only minimal edge bleed.....what is the build month of your set? Shipping might have more to do with this problem, but then again maybe there's something to getting a different lot or batch....I'm just looking for any solution. Since I only paid $1199 for this set, the upgrade fee for me to get the 8600 would be $400, which is too much for me.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

My 47LM7600 was built Oct-2012 .......... returned due to flash lighting ( edge bleed )
The replacement 55LM7600 was built in April 2012 ......... returned due to same flash lighting ( different spots though )
The replacement 55LM7600 was built in Nov 2012.......... same month as yours. Much less flash lighting. Once I played with the settings, I've all but gotten ride of the distracting lighting. Local dimming is set to LOW
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post #2924 of 3596
2/19/13 at 7:07am
Thanks for the replies, kevreh and Mayjer. To pay $1199 (despite the great deal it is) and be left with a TV with these flashlight/edge bleed/clouding issues is a little maddening.

I have to run through the software updates and then I'll play with settings and local dimming and see if that yields any improvement.

I installed a Sony 55EX640 for my brother-in-law over the weekend, and that TV, for $799 on Black Friday, has no edge bleed.....

Compromise should be about bona fide features on the TVs; not about quality control. Sign of the times I guess.

Thanks and I'll post back if I'm lucky enough to make some progress.
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post #2925 of 3596
2/19/13 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by markmanpww View Post

I just got the 55" yesterday. Now that I turned off tru motion I like the picture. There is some bleed still around the edges. The wand remote is fun and built in wifi is nice for pulling 3d demos. Haven't tried any other apps yet. I'd like to see what picture settings people are adjusting to also.

I got it at BB with promo this week of a free LG soundbar and sub, and extra glasses.

Watched some of tangled in 3d last night which was bright and sharp. We did notice most of what we watched, the 3d had depth into the tv, not so much coming out at you from the tv. But I understand it's how the content was produced and not the TV itself.6.gif

Can you please let me know that who you got the BB bundle promotion. When i talked to my BB they said no such thing available. Any like to ad available for it? and how much you paid of your said, if you dont mind.
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post #2926 of 3596
2/19/13 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post

I posted a few days back about my LM7600 edge bleed and whether or not I would take the set back. Returned from a weekend trip today, and put in a DVD with black bars top and bottom. Edge bleed was very evident and annoying.

So, I boxed it up and took it back to Frys tonight for an exchange. No questions, very easy. I noted the following:

1. Demo set did not exhibit the same level of bleed as my new set, but the demo set also has 3450 hours on it, so it's been there since the TV's release.
2. My set, which I returned due to the edge bleed, was inventoried and a new price tag was placed on it and it appeared they were going to put it on the floor as an open box unit at $1424, despite my returning it as defective......hmmmm.
3. The LM7600 is back up to $1499 now, so the 2-week run at $1199 has ended.
4. 55" Google TV version is at $1299 this week. 55G2 I think.

Now I just set up the new set, and as one of you suggested.....I think it's worse than the TV I just returned. Great picture, but with black bars or on very dark screens, the bleeding is very evident. Both of these units were November 2012 builds. I probably should have suggested they look for a different month at least. Might have had a better shot at a good one from a different time period.

So, now I am confronted with another decision. I can exchange again I suppose, and have them search for a serial number that would indicate a build month other than November. I was REALLY hoping that this 7600 would be a great set. Or, I can get a refund and head over to Costco and pick up the LM6700 for $999. Next set down. TruMotion 120 instead of 240. I'm concerned about sports and gaming on the slower set, and obviously I might have the same issues on the 6700 as far as bleed.

I want passive 3D, in order to be able to use the Dual Play feature for gaming, and that basically leaves me with LG and Vizio. The current Panasonics with passive 3D are not that great to me. Plus, I don't have a budget to wait for a 2013 model. Need a 2012 on closeout pricing.

Here's a question....any of you that have sets displaying no or only minimal edge bleed.....what is the build month of your set? Shipping might have more to do with this problem, but then again maybe there's something to getting a different lot or batch....I'm just looking for any solution. Since I only paid $1199 for this set, the upgrade fee for me to get the 8600 would be $400, which is too much for me.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

As expected its difficult (almost impossible) to find a set with no flashlight thing. If you are not using trumotion (SOE), there wont be much different between both sets. However if you are using trumotion you will see a high different between 120 and 240. 6700 has a only 60Hz panel on it with backlight scanning. 7600 has 120 panel with backlit scanning. So if you use 24p content on 6700 with trumtion ON, you will see a pull down issue easily because 60 is not divisible by 24.

My 4 sets were built in September 2012 and all had FL issues. Again i would not think this has to do anything with built batch.
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post #2927 of 3596
2/19/13 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

Most reviews for the 8600/860T have not been favorable if you game at all, Input lag measuring over 100ms.

What...??? Seriously?

Could these be based off of older sets prior to recent firmware upgrades etc?

I am a hardcore gamer and that is probably 70% of what i use my TV for.

Crap.

Can you post up examples of these reviews so i can check them out myself?
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post #2928 of 3596
2/19/13 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by splattered View Post

What...??? Seriously?

Could these be based off of older sets prior to recent firmware upgrades etc?

I am a hardcore gamer and that is probably 70% of what i use my TV for.

Crap.

Can you post up examples of these reviews so i can check them out myself?

According to this website the display lag for the LM7600 does not appear too be bad. They don't have a measurement for the 8600, however.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
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post #2929 of 3596
2/19/13 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by Navigationroad View Post

According to this website the display lag for the LM7600 does not appear too be bad. They don't have a measurement for the 8600, however.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Well yeah i've read the 7600 has lag in the lower 30ms range, which is about the same as the HX750 sony i was previously looking at.

I've owned the 7600 for a few months now and don't even notice the lag, if the 8600 is at least the same as the 7600 then i wouldn't be bothered at all.

There are several reviews online that complain about the 7600 motion processing and screen uniformity, so perhaps the 8600 is just getting the same complaints?

I'd still like to see review examples though so i can make a decision today if possible smile.gif
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post #2930 of 3596
2/19/13 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post

Thanks for the replies, kevreh and Mayjer. To pay $1199 (despite the great deal it is) and be left with a TV with these flashlight/edge bleed/clouding issues is a little maddening.

I have to run through the software updates and then I'll play with settings and local dimming and see if that yields any improvement.

I installed a Sony 55EX640 for my brother-in-law over the weekend, and that TV, for $799 on Black Friday, has no edge bleed.....

Compromise should be about bona fide features on the TVs; not about quality control.

Coe-rect.
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post #2931 of 3596
2/19/13 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post

I posted a few days back about my LM7600 edge bleed and whether or not I would take the set back. Returned from a weekend trip today, and put in a DVD with black bars top and bottom. Edge bleed was very evident and annoying.


Now I just set up the new set, and as one of you suggested.....I think it's worse than the TV I just returned. Great picture, but with black bars or on very dark screens, the bleeding is very evident. Both of these units were November 2012 builds. I probably should have suggested they look for a different month at least. Might have had a better shot at a good one from a different time period.

So, now I am confronted with another decision. I can exchange again I suppose,

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

My TV has a May 2012 build date.

How about going to Fry's and telling them you want to demo the set before you bring it home? Have them open up a NEW box, take the set out, hook it up and put it through its paces. Save you a lot of trouble hauling the TV back and forth. And you just know if you do this method the first one you try will be a good one.
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2/19/13 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post

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Originally Posted by BassAtl View Post

I posted a few days back about my LM7600 edge bleed and whether or not I would take the set back. Returned from a weekend trip today, and put in a DVD with black bars top and bottom. Edge bleed was very evident and annoying.


Now I just set up the new set, and as one of you suggested.....I think it's worse than the TV I just returned. Great picture, but with black bars or on very dark screens, the bleeding is very evident. Both of these units were November 2012 builds. I probably should have suggested they look for a different month at least. Might have had a better shot at a good one from a different time period.

So, now I am confronted with another decision. I can exchange again I suppose,

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

My TV has a May 2012 build date.

How about going to Fry's and telling them you want to demo the set before you bring it home? Have them open up a NEW box, take the set out, hook it up and put it through its paces. Save you a lot of trouble hauling the TV back and forth. And you just know if you do this method the first one you try will be a good one.

.....until he takes it home. :-P
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post #2933 of 3596
2/19/13 at 1:23pm
Well, this ought to be interesting.....

....stopped by my local Costco today and they had a Vizio M3D500KD available, either a post super bowl return or a demo, and I was able to get them down to $750 for it. Full 2-year warranty, no questions asked if I am dissatisfied, etc. This is the earlier version, 240hz, that was very highly rated on Cnet and elsewhere; not the cheaper, 120hz, "M3D550KDSE" version.

So, this evening I'm going to set it side-by-side against the LM7600 and see how it compares, as far as overall PQ, flashlighting, 3D, and dual play for the gamer. I really wanted this 7600 to work, and it still might. But, if this Vizio is all it is touted to be, then I'm also a very big fan of having the extra $450 back in my pocket.

Same thing happened last year for my main home theater. Picked up a Sony 55NX720 (beautiful, frameless Gorilla glass TV) for $1099 from Frys on a one-day sale, but then wandered through Costco and picked up the demo Panasonic 60ST30, with only 200 hours on it, for $800. Stuck with the larger, cheaper plasma and it is a fantastic TV. The big bezel on last year's model doesn't bother me at all.....for $800.

I'll post my observations of the two TVs after I give them a test drive.
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post #2934 of 3596
2/19/13 at 1:34pm
Just had @DisplayLag measure the lag on the LM8600, it measured 92-95ms ... ugh terrible!

Can anyone with the 8600 verify what the current firmware is?

The person that helped me out said the 8600 they used is running 03.01.42

Just wondering if firmware could make a difference or not.
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post #2935 of 3596
2/19/13 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by splattered View Post

Just had @DisplayLag measure the lag on the LM8600, it measured 92-95ms ... ugh terrible!

Can anyone with the 8600 verify what the current firmware is?

The person that helped me out said the 8600 they used is running 03.01.42

Just wondering if firmware could make a difference or not.

Current firmware is 4.31.43

I game extensively on this set and its nowhere near 92-95ms. I'm not sure what happened (not on game mode, etc) to make that number balloon that high, but the gaming experience is similar to the 7600.
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post #2936 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Whose TV's firmware has it? Do you have a link to people's reports or are you guessing? The only way I've heard of this happening is to fool the TV into a kind of engineering mode. Scroll backwards in this thread aways or do the search: Tampa8 had done fantastic extensive work on that very question.

I didn't even know about Amazon Instant showing up until I had read Tampa's postings several weeks back. But I was hoping that since that time, with two new firmware updates, something might've been done about it.
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post #2937 of 3596
2/19/13 at 6:33pm
I think I know what the problem is regarding the 8600. I tried many ways to lower the amount of lag it has, but it seems like there isn't a way to disable the 3D settings even if I choose Game Mode and dial all the 3D settings down. I'm sure a newer firmware fixed this problem. Unfortunately, I have no way to test it with a newer firmware, so the numbers I gave are all I can show.
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post #2938 of 3596
2/19/13 at 9:06pm
Oh man don't tell me that.. haha because of your findings i had the rep go ahead and send me a replacement 7600.

Well...

Crap.
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post #2939 of 3596
2/20/13 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by splattered View Post

Oh man don't tell me that.. haha because of your findings i had the rep go ahead and send me a replacement 7600.

Well...

Crap.

I tried to tell you :P

Hopefully you get a good display either way.

Regards.
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post #2940 of 3596
2/20/13 at 7:52am
I picked my LM7600 up Monday haven't even opened it. It has an October build date, did the quality control improve toward the end of the production run or is it pretty much a craps shoot?
I am very nervous to even test because of the post concerning excessive flashlight/edge bleed. Don't want to have to have my new set serviced or have to return it. I understand the nature of edge led and there is not going to be a perfect set. I can stand minimal bleed and plan to have the set pro calibrated, but even pro calibration won't remedy excessive bleed. Am I overreacting?
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