Official LG XXLM7600 Owners Thread... - Page 99

You bought a new TV and you haven't opened the box for fear there might be light bleed? Are you overreacting?

Um....yes.

Here's the way I look at it. With the 7600 I can have a TV with a great picture, wide viewing angle, internet connectivity, great 3D, unique remote, minimal lag for gaming and it might have a teensy amount of edge light bleed when there isn't a signal on the screen....

OR if I go with another brand:

I can have a TV with a great picture, internet connectivity, and a teensy, weensy amount of edge light bleed (or none at all.)

Researching is both a blessing and a curse it helps you become educated or in some cases paranoid. I know there isn't a perfect tv, but the perfect tv for the person. I bought the set for the mention gaming and 3D capability (passive) the connectivity not so much, but won't complain about having it.
Started this year with a plasma Samsung/Panasonic, but sadly both we're prone to severe IR and in case of the Panasonic quick onset burn-in. It looked like LCD/LED was my choice. Then you hear all the stories of people returning 5 or more sets in some cases trying to find a perfect unit. I am realistic, so I will be hooking up my PS3 when I get home and watching Prometheus. Thanks for the help.

I guess I'm trying to say that this TV has so much going for it that a little bit of light bleed is tolerable.

Please post back with your findings.

I have been going through the same process. LCD vs Plasma. Worried about burn in etc.. I bought the 7600 and will be delivered next Wednesday. Some time research is a bad thing. Hope all goes well.

Set up 7600 and I am very impressed with the uniformity of the set. There are 2 little areas at the left and right top edge of the screen about 1/4" bleed, but other than that complete black when fed an image. I am updating the TV right now to the newest version firmware and will do a quick calibration.

I bought my 7600 a few days ago and I can't seem to get the picture clear. It almost seems fuzzy at times like a poor connection. It's hooked up through hdmi to my cable box. Could it be some type of interference from another device?

Thanks

I don't think I've heard of that not being an immediate return situation.

It seems like my plasma has a better picture. I mentioned the problem to a sales rep where I bought it and they tried to sell me $180 hdmi cable and some clean power adapter strip. I just wonder if its the tv or something else

Unless it's very old and or somehow damaged or extremely low quality (showing dithering, excessively dim), a plasma should *almost always* have a better picture than LCD. There are very very few exceptions to this (Elite). The 7600 is by no means that.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT IS NOT THE CABLE NOR THE OUTLET STRIP.

JFC. These people just cannot get analog style thinking off their minds, or they do know better and they're @#$%ing criminals.

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Looking good!

Ya, sure. So how come when I made the rounds of the stores last spring specifically looking to buy a plasma I was disappointed at the picture quality of every one I looked at and ended up buying the 7600?

My wife thought the Panasonic Plasma we bought looked a little soft compared to the LCD we had. I couldn't get her to appreciate the more natural look and colors. So we ended up with a the 7600 and love it so far.

When you say "at times" are you talking about low quality channels or commercials?

What is the cable box outputing, 480 or 720 by chance?

Have you tried a different source, like a DVD player?

If no to the above, then try a different HDMI cable. Can't recommend Monoprice enough on this.

It could also be a bad hdmi connection on the cable box. Hdmi ports are a little delicate and can go bad with some abuse. This happened on my Tivo box.

Lastly, make sure you use your LG for a few hours before fine tuning the picture.

HTH

I've had my 7600 since last Oct. I LOVE this thing. It has the most natural picture I've ever seen. I really didn't want or care for a 3D set. But from everything I read at the time, it had the better processor and chip set that LG offered in any sets at the time. I am not disappointed in any way. As far as people who complain about light bleed or flashlighting. It happens in just about every lcd type set. To what degree is the question. I have very little on my set. I never notice it. What I do notice is glare. But you just cannot find a set these days that does not have a gloss finish to the screen. My older Toshiba has a matt finish screen and very little glare at all. The picture is great. But not up to the 7600. Over all, I am very happy with the LG 55LM7600.

I know, its a shame all the people who walk in to BB or other places, and end up spending $100+ on cables thinking they have to. When talking with sales reps at the Magnolia stores, had more than one ask me if I have quality HDMI cables (which they sell for $80+) when talking to them about their plasmas and lcds on displays.

Markup on these cables is like jewelery.....its not in their monetary interest to get analog off their minds.

Hoo, boy--let me share a story. HDMI cables can make a difference. When I first got the TV I bought a pair of cheap HDMI cables--one to hook up the cable box, one to hook up the PS3. Two cables per package, identical cables.

Over the past 6 weeks I have had problems with Comcast cable service. It seems every time I wanted to sit down and watch TV (weekends) I would get the "No Signal" spinning cube icon on my 7600. Cable box signal is not present. This would prompt me to unplug, replug the cable box causing it to reboot. This entailed a 10-15 minute wait as the box completely reset itself. My success rate was about 1 in 5. I would end up calling Comcast (30-45 minutes of being on hold, then low level techs reading their troubleshooting scripts) until they would send a signal to the box which would reactivate it. After a couple rounds of this a tech came out and pronounced everything A-OK.

Next Friday night, same problem. I ended up exchanging my box for another cable box. All is fine until next Friday night, then same problem. Reboot cable box, call Comcast, be put on hold, have them send signal, box working again. Next Friday night, same thing. Get new cable box on Saturday, activate it, everything works.

I was on cable box #4 in three weeks when the problem happened again. I now had a way to get directly to a high level technician who deduced that my HDMI cable was the culprit. He explained that the newer TV's need a high-speed rated HDMI cable (category 2) capable of supporting 3D signals and smart TV's. Believe me, I was extremely suspicious of this explanation but just to humor the guy I swapped out the HDMI cable from cable box to TV with HDMI cable from PS3 to TV. Lo and behold I had signal to the TV! (Remember, these were identical cables.)

I've since bought a couple of category 2 HDMI cables made by BlueRigger from Amazon for $4.99 each and I haven't had the No Signal problem since.

So HDMI cables can make a difference, but you don't have to spend big bucks to get them.

Because the stores routinely under-light the plasmas because they cannot have them burn-in on the floor. Further, they aren't anywhere near as bright in the first place. You're almost certainly being fooled by the sheer luminance flying out of the LCD. This can make people believe that there's a better picture when looking at The. Canned. Video. Crap. That. The. Stores. Use.

Spend some time in the "Flat Panel General & New FP Tech" subforum, and you'll see the high tech reasons for plasma's high picture quality. Among them you'll see that as an emissive technology, off angle viewing is inherently flawless, and the response time for plasma excitation is very high. Further it is not a "sample and hold" technology which is why the plasma motion is so very much smoother looking and suffers from very little motion blur compared to the LCD. This amounts to far less eye strain, etc., and is the reason that the vast majority of videophiles will report so very few LCD offerings even coming close. You'll see them refer to the Sharp Elite brand as likely the only LCD that can, which is uber expensive for a very good reason: it's nearly impossible to exceed plasma PQ otherwise.

That's mostly correct, but missing the point entirely with the discussion. For what you've mentioned: once you've matched your cable to your need (and by the way, it's *STILL* the outlier to have the "no signal" thing you had---I suspect you were using a dramatically compromised cable), then you're "good to go". If you get a signal working without obviously large artifacts in the way, then you'll not exceed that PQ. It'll be digital, and either there or not (again, once past the functioning point). I'm not getting into a line discipline discussion here: it takes too long, and it's probably been done at least 500 times in avsforum already. As a software engineer with DSP experience, I'm exhausted from it.

However, the reason that your reply doesn't connect with the discussion is because of it started with this comment: ...which has to do with the cost of the thing, and also the idea in the first place that an HDMI cable can cause the blurry picture he's seeing. It just cannot. NOR can a power strip have anything to do with it either.

So I just bought the 55lm7600 at BB a couple of weeks ago. I am overall very impressed, but I have noticed one issue. When I watch ice hockey or even soccer with the white or light green background on faraway shots of the ice or field (in other words most of the game), I see a thin vertical band of lighter coloration a few inches from the left edge of the screen. It runs pretty much from top to bottom. I have used the cnet calibration and still see this. I have tried to turn on/off led local dimming without effect. This is my first LCD set (previously had dlp). Is this banding? A defective set? Should I try to get BB to replace the set or is this just standard for this set and do I just need to either accept it or decided if it bothers me enough to try a different model.

Thanks for any advice!

Can you post a pic that shows it? With Local Dimming on off or low I do not see that, so it could be defective, or excessive banding.

Every set I examined I looked at the picture settings and played around with them. All plasmas I looked at suffered from too dark of a screen, even after adjustment, and whites that were off-white, almost yellowish. No thanks. Off axis viewing is superior with plasmas and they have excellent black levels, but in my viewing environment these advantages were not as important as picture brightness and no possibility of image retention.

Yes, that is banding. No settings on the TV can cure it. Not a defective set. But may have excessive banding. It depends on set to set. You can get another set with minimal banding. But again you might find different issues on the new set. Thats what you call panel lottery!

Generally, it's hard to say Plasma does not overall give a better picture. That's not the same as saying Plasma is better. Each has it's flaws and good points. But read most any site that tests and evaluates TV's and rarely does an LCD make the list of best.
That said, for alot of people with rooms that are not normally darker, an LCD can easily be a better choice. It's also much lighter, and while Plasmas are much better about burn in than in the past, it does still exist. Further, Plasmas which are already generally not as bright, lose brightness over just a few years, and may need re-calibrating where an LCD usually remains more constant longer.
Plasma has no real blur problems, LCD's can though I find the 7600 has greatly improved on that over my older LG.
There's other things to consider also......

As for HDMI cables, I can't say there is no difference, but overall there isn't. The more expensive ones may be made better in some cases, so might last longer. A recent report by Solid Signal suggest the much more expensive ones changed channels 1/4 second faster than the cheapest ones. Certainly not significant, but I am not a gamer, I don't know if that makes any real difference to playing games or if changing channels "faster" translates into anything being faster for games. Don't forget we can be talking hundreds of dollars difference in price.

I looked for an answer to this question on several previous pages and never found one. Can someone answer this again? Thanks!

I looked for an answer to this question on several previous pages and never found one. Can someone answer this again? Thanks!

I don't use the Trumotion feature on the LM7600, because it is primarily a gaming set. I have noticed that the user enable de-blur and clear plus features are now missing. The launch units still had these features enabled. Did we lose them in an update? I have been gaming on this thing all day (thanks snow day) and I love it. Deadspace 3 is amazing all the inky black corridors, amazing clarity and fantastic motion (no overdrive trailing0. If you are a gamer and have a budget of about $1000 you can't go wrong with the LM7600. Thanks for the many post and advice I received in the owners thread.

That's good to hear, I also game a ton. I might be purchasing this set soon. I will also be doing a full calibration on this set with professional equipment. I'll post my basic settings and some pre/post cal charts, if there's any interest. I won't share any advanced settings, because copying settings is pretty pointless, as stated many times on these boards. Fingers crossed that I get a problem free panel.....I can dream, can't I.

Never was available in Gaming mode.