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Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post

The flashlighting varies from set to set and people's tolerance levels vary. Trawl through this massive thread and look for photos of people's screens. Use the advanced search function for this thread.

Should you be looking for a different TV? I've found the combination of internet connectivity, passive 3D, built-in apps, wider viewing angle (for an LCD set), magic remote, and beautiful picture at a decent price is worth seeing a barely noticeable slightly brighter fuzzy edge in the corner of my screen when I flip channels, if I happen to be looking for it.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399636/official-lg-xxlm7600-owners-thread/840#post_22196600

I was about to pull the trigger on a Panasonic Plasma when I read this post. It seemed so even-handed that now I'm not so sure! It's taken me 11 months to decide on a TV! LOL.

BB
post #3002 of 3922
I feel quite fortunate the I have no flash lighting issues. I had my set for 3 days now all is good. The only problem that I have is getting sound from the apps. What am I doing wrong? My av receiver is a Yamaha rx v667. HDMI out to TV, HDMI 1 for bluray and HDMI 2 for Directv receiver. Anyone got any ideas? I can use the apps on the LG 620 bluray and all is good.
post #3003 of 3922
The apps are coming from the TV, not something plugged into the receiver then to the TV, that's why. Think about the process of getting the sound to your receiver, and you will realize you have nothing going from the TV to the receiver.....
You only will get sound through your receiver that starts with the TV if you have a digital output from the TV to the receiver..... Otherwise you have to use the TV's speakers.

None of the sound you have now from your receiver is coming from the TV itself, but from other sources to the receiver.
post #3004 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Blind Broccoli View Post

I was about to pull the trigger on a Panasonic Plasma when I read this post. It seemed so even-handed that now I'm not so sure! It's taken me 11 months to decide on a TV! LOL.

BB

You don't say which Panasonic plasma model, but read the reviews of it and the LG and that might help you decide. Go to a store and compare them, hopefully in a room with dimmed lights. If you have not done so, read the differences of LCD and Plasma. Both have their strong points and weaker points.
post #3005 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

You don't say which Panasonic plasma model, but read the reviews of it and the LG and that might help you decide. Go to a store and compare them, hopefully in a room with dimmed lights. If you have not done so, read the differences of LCD and Plasma. Both have their strong points and weaker points.
I love the LM7600 I am a lifelong gamer and overdrive trailing and to a lesser extent input lag are the bane of my existence (over exaggeration), but I don't like either none the less. I have been nothing but happy with my LG. I have seen no trailing (smearing) I have my input labeled as PC and have imperceptible lag. I had a ST50 at the beginning of this generation and was floor by the picture quality. The Panasonic had amazing black levels, film based motion performance was stellar and overall gaming was good, but juddery. It also had very quick onset IR (image retention) that quickly turned into burn-in. I ran the ST50 for 200+ hours before attempting film based content (zoomed) and bout 300+ before gaming. After a 30 minute session of gaming I had the HUD of Borderlands 2 seared into the screen. I ran my pixel flipper for close to 8 hours before it faded during normal content.

I love Panasonic plasma sets and had looked forward to the ST50 since I sold my 42ST30 from 2011 to a friend. The LG doesn't have the same deep black levels that come with plasma tech, but they are nothing to scoff at either. After watching How to train your dragon (2D & 3D) and Prometheus (stunning) a great film to test contrast and overall image depth on any set I am still blown away. Without hesitation I would recommend this LM7600 to anyone.
post #3006 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

The apps are coming from the TV, not something plugged into the receiver then to the TV, that's why. Think about the process of getting the sound to your receiver, and you will realize you have nothing going from the TV to the receiver.....
You only will get sound through your receiver that starts with the TV if you have a digital output from the TV to the receiver..... Otherwise you have to use the TV's speakers.

None of the sound you have now from your receiver is coming from the TV itself, but from other sources to the receiver.
post #3007 of 3922
I am using hdmi with audio return. Should that be all I need? New to the hdmi world.
Edited by Richard Perkins - 3/2/13 at 7:27am
post #3008 of 3922
I HAVE A LG42SL5700 MODEL, JUST DOWNLOADED THE NEW FIREWARE 4.31.43, SINCE THE DOWNLOAD, MY TV ALL OF A SUDDEN BLACKS OUT. CONSTANTLY HAVE TO POWER OFF THE TV AND TURN IT BACK ON TO GET A PIC, TECH WILL BE HERE WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS, GUESS FIND OUT THE RESULTS...ANYONE HAVING THIS ISSUE
post #3009 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Those settings are excellent. That's the "new TV" flu?
hey tampa did you made any changes in CNETs settings?
post #3010 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Leonheart View Post

hey tampa did you made any changes in CNETs settings?

Well I did, but have since changed back. Using the WOW disc it showed a higher contrast by about 8 notches as well as brightness by four notches. CNET settings are for a dark room, I was in a dim lighted room. Color was just 1 notch higher and Hue 1 notch to red.
It was an excellent picture, but I made the second expert setting (mine is actually day and night settings) with the original CNET settings and like it even better. It's not a big change of course but just enough that faces look even more natural. Many are going to think the picture is too dark, but I found after awhile it's not for me. It's not going to make any real difference overall to the quality of the picture if someone pushes up the brightness from 50 to 52 if they want. 54 does make faces just a little lighter then I like, but that's being very picky.

TV shows and movies from Satellite, as well as from Blu-Ray of course are stunning on this TV, and that includes near blu-ray quality pictures with VUDU with those settings. If you are in a particularly bright room I can see making the picture a little brighter like the WOW disc shows.
post #3011 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

The apps are coming from the TV, not something plugged into the receiver then to the TV, that's why. Think about the process of getting the sound to your receiver, and you will realize you have nothing going from the TV to the receiver.....
You only will get sound through your receiver that starts with the TV if you have a digital output from the TV to the receiver..... Otherwise you have to use the TV's speakers.

None of the sound you have now from your receiver is coming from the TV itself, but from other sources to the receiver.

Do I need to use a Toslink from the tv to my receiver to receive sound from the apps? Any help is appreciated.
post #3012 of 3922
^^^That might be the easiest way to go. Getting ARC to work involves changing settings on the tv and the receiver and even then it's balky.
post #3013 of 3922
Yep, Toslink works well. As Steve S. posted, ARC is not the best solution, it may work, may not.
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Here's a question:

I know that Game Mode is preferable for playing games because it turns off all extra video processing in order to reduce input lag. I can verify that having it in Standard or Cinema modes does introduce a ton of latency in regards to input. Things are noticeably sluggish and just don't feel right in terms of controller input.

My question is, with Game Mode on, am I still getting any benefit to having a 120 Hz panel? I know that Game Mode turns off the Motion Processing/De-Judder completely, but with it turned on in any other mode, the motion in games looks a lot more fluid (but then again, this introduces the input lag). I guess a better, more direct question would be that with the Motion Processing stuff totally off, is it still displaying the additional frames in order to convert/display the incoming 60 Hz signal as 120 Hz?

Or is gaming at 120 Hz not feasible in the first place? I'm a bit confused regarding this, as I see that most computer monitors preferred for PC Gaming are 120 Hz and that it is generally looked at as a positive thing to have.
post #3015 of 3922
yes I believe the Toslink is the way to go. Thanks for all your help
post #3016 of 3922
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Originally Posted by MMcCraryNJ View Post

Here's a question:

I know that Game Mode is preferable for playing games because it turns off all extra video processing in order to reduce input lag. I can verify that having it in Standard or Cinema modes does introduce a ton of latency in regards to input. Things are noticeably sluggish and just don't feel right in terms of controller input.

My question is, with Game Mode on, am I still getting any benefit to having a 120 Hz panel? I know that Game Mode turns off the Motion Processing/De-Judder completely, but with it turned on in any other mode, the motion in games looks a lot more fluid (but then again, this introduces the input lag). I guess a better, more direct question would be that with the Motion Processing stuff totally off, is it still displaying the additional frames in order to convert/display the incoming 60 Hz signal as 120 Hz?

Or is gaming at 120 Hz not feasible in the first place? I'm a bit confused regarding this, as I see that most computer monitors preferred for PC Gaming are 120 Hz and that it is generally looked at as a positive thing to have.

You're confusing what a 120HZ panel is. It doesn't convert anything. There is no 120HZ or 240HZ signal, it's 24HZ or 60HZ here in the US. generally selectable on Blu- ray players for example. The panel is what it is, not more, not less. This TV has a 120HZ panel, and not really ever 240HZ, but that's another story.
Game mode is most defiantly there for a reason, that is what you want for games.
Edited by tampa8 - 3/2/13 at 1:32pm
post #3017 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

You're confusing what a 120HZ panel is. It doesn't convert anything. There is no 120HZ or 240HZ signal, it's 24HZ or 60HZ here in the US. generally selectable on Blu- ray players for example. The panel is what it is, not more, not less. This TV has a 120HZ panel, and not really ever 240HZ, but that's another story.
Game mode is most defiantly there for a reason, that is what you want for games.

If you want a few more picture adjustments while keeping input lag at a minimum label your input as "PC". I know that it has been talked about within this forum as well. A quick refresher on how to access is enter menu (hub), select input icon at the bottom of the screen (red icon) select whichever HDMI and it will bring up all the different labels available.
Choose "PC" or "Game" and you will have very little perceptible lag (16ms), but "PC" mode allows for activation of local dimming, custom gamma adjustment and white balance controls. If you label input as "Game" game local dimming will be disengaged.
post #3018 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Well I did, but have since changed back. Using the WOW disc it showed a higher contrast by about 8 notches as well as brightness by four notches. CNET settings are for a dark room, I was in a dim lighted room. Color was just 1 notch higher and Hue 1 notch to red.
It was an excellent picture, but I made the second expert setting (mine is actually day and night settings) with the original CNET settings and like it even better. It's not a big change of course but just enough that faces look even more natural. Many are going to think the picture is too dark, but I found after awhile it's not for me. It's not going to make any real difference overall to the quality of the picture if someone pushes up the brightness from 50 to 52 if they want. 54 does make faces just a little lighter then I like, but that's being very picky.

TV shows and movies from Satellite, as well as from Blu-Ray of course are stunning on this TV, and that includes near blu-ray quality pictures with VUDU with those settings. If you are in a particularly bright room I can see making the picture a little brighter like the WOW disc shows.
thanks, going to try them, I also have a dim lighted room, what do you think of the local dimming set to high in CNET settings?
post #3019 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

If you want a few more picture adjustments while keeping input lag at a minimum label your input as "PC". I know that it has been talked about within this forum as well. A quick refresher on how to access is enter menu (hub), select input icon at the bottom of the screen (red icon) select whichever HDMI and it will bring up all the different labels available.
Choose "PC" or "Game" and you will have very little perceptible lag (16ms), but "PC" mode allows for activation of local dimming, custom gamma adjustment and white balance controls. If you label input as "Game" game local dimming will be disengaged.
there is LD now in game mode..
post #3020 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Leonheart View Post

there is LD now in game mode..
Awesome! They must have added it in with an update. I thought it was originally locked out.
post #3021 of 3922
Ok. I did the advanced search function. But could not come up with solution to these two issues. Maybe I am using the wrong search words.

1) I have box pixel like effect when there is a fast action on screen. i was under the impression that 240hz would take care of that.

2) I am unable to find my subscribed channels un Youtube even though I have logged in with my id.

Any help / pointers to the right thead would be appreciated.

Thanks
post #3022 of 3922
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Originally Posted by ibmab7 View Post

Ok. I did the advanced search function. But could not come up with solution to these two issues. Maybe I am using the wrong search words.

1) I have box pixel like effect when there is a fast action on screen. i was under the impression that 240hz would take care of that.

2) I am unable to find my subscribed channels un Youtube even though I have logged in with my id.

Any help / pointers to the right thead would be appreciated.

Thanks

I may be able to help with the first inquiry. The LG LM7600 employs a 120hz panel(no frame insertion) and a scanning backlight system that simulates an additional 120hz of motion performance w/black frame insertion to assist pixel response time. If you employ the tru-motion system built into the set using interpolation settings user, smooth and clear most will introduce motion artifacts that appear as small pixel around moving objects. This will often times look like on screen objects are shimmering whether it be movie, network TV or gaming. Make sure you have these settings off or on user, so you can have some level of customization in how much interpolation is used.
Edited by Dr.Shankenstein - 3/3/13 at 3:11pm
post #3023 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Leonheart View Post

thanks, going to try them, I also have a dim lighted room, what do you think of the local dimming set to high in CNET settings?

I know there are alot of posts here, this has been discussed quite extensively. My opinion is never use Local Dimming med or high, it destroys the picture. I gave reasons and a pic of one of the ways in earlier posts. Low does a very good job, but don't get fooled, when you adjust to low it takes a second or two to become active, it may look at fist like it's not doing anything. The other setting I don't like is 0 sharpness. Using calibration Disc closer to 15 to 18. I used to go a little higher but like what the disc shows to be correct.
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I might as well chime in here. I agree with Tampa8--never put local dimming on anything except LOW or OFF (I like LOW). On sharpness settings, the CNET setting of 0 is insane. The picture is dull and bland. I've got my sharpness set at 25. I have my brightness set at 50 but I will adjust down to 45 if watching in the dark and will up it to 55 if watching during the day.
post #3025 of 3922
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Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post

I might as well chime in here. I agree with Tampa8--never put local dimming on anything except LOW or OFF (I like LOW). On sharpness settings, the CNET setting of 0 is insane. The picture is dull and bland. I've got my sharpness set at 25. I have my brightness set at 50 but I will adjust down to 45 if watching in the dark and will up it to 55 if watching during the day.
I agree with you guys on the local dimming set to "low", anything else and it screws up the gamma. As far as the sharpness at "0". It looks like this LG dosn't soften the edges, so "0" should be fine.
Adjusting the "brightness" control for different light levels, I advise you use the "backlight" for that, and set your brightness with a test pattern and leave it alone. From some testing with this panel it looks like between 52-55, should be fine.
post #3026 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

I know there are alot of posts here, this has been discussed quite extensively. My opinion is never use Local Dimming med or high, it destroys the picture. I gave reasons and a pic of one of the ways in earlier posts. Low does a very good job, but don't get fooled, when you adjust to low it takes a second or two to become active, it may look at fist like it's not doing anything. The other setting I don't like is 0 sharpness. Using calibration Disc closer to 15 to 18. I used to go a little higher but like what the disc shows to be correct.
ok thanks, so low LD, sharpness 15-18 plus the modified CNET settings u wrote before, am I correct? p.s: yeah I dont like 0 sharpness too..
post #3027 of 3922
Hey everyone
First off would like to say its nice to have forums like this to help choose your TV smile.gif Now i am in the line for a new TV and i was going to purchase this TV from currys but after reading this forum and other forums about this TV I am very nervous of buying it .i am new to LED TV,S i have had full hd plasma TV,S for years and am very happy with the picture quality from plasma TV,S specially when compared to LCD. But looking at all the problems on this site and others with picture settings,clouding problems, 24p bug, light bleeding problems,and gaming problems and even how many TV,S where returned i have to say its very off putting.

So i guess my first question would be is LED TV,S the way to go.

How long would you expect them to last.

And i suppose what would be a good TV to buy

Thanks in advance for all your help.
post #3028 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eireusa View Post

Hey everyone
First off would like to say its nice to have forums like this to help choose your TV smile.gif Now i am in the line for a new TV and i was going to purchase this TV from currys but after reading this forum and other forums about this TV I am very nervous of buying it .i am new to LED TV,S i have had full hd plasma TV,S for years and am very happy with the picture quality from plasma TV,S specially when compared to LCD. But looking at all the problems on this site and others with picture settings,clouding problems, 24p bug, light bleeding problems,and gaming problems and even how many TV,S where returned i have to say its very off putting.

So i guess my first question would be is LED TV,S the way to go.

How long would you expect them to last.

And i suppose what would be a good TV to buy

Thanks in advance for all your help.

I have had mine for 5 day now. There is some light bleed. I do not know if I can handle it or not . The rest of the TV is amazing. PQ is great. Was originally going to purchase the Panny GT 50. I will decide during the next week on what to do. I am still within my 30 day return window.
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I have had my Lm 7600 for over 2 weeks now and I have to say and I'm loving mine. I have a slight flash lighting issue in the top right but Led Dimming solved that issue for me. Overall you can't go wrong with this tv.
post #3030 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eireusa View Post

Hey everyone
First off would like to say its nice to have forums like this to help choose your TV smile.gif Now i am in the line for a new TV and i was going to purchase this TV from currys but after reading this forum and other forums about this TV I am very nervous of buying it .i am new to LED TV,S i have had full hd plasma TV,S for years and am very happy with the picture quality from plasma TV,S specially when compared to LCD. But looking at all the problems on this site and others with picture settings,clouding problems, 24p bug, light bleeding problems,and gaming problems and even how many TV,S where returned i have to say its very off putting.

So i guess my first question would be is LED TV,S the way to go.

How long would you expect them to last.

And i suppose what would be a good TV to buy

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Why are you even considering an LCD? You said you are very happy with the picture on a Plasma TV, and feel there are lots of problems with LCD's.
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