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post #3271 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I have had that happen with the picture wizard where the picture wouldn't show up and it was just lines. Just had to exit out and start it again. Thinking it is just a software issue.

I bought an October 2012 build date set and had some serious software and hardware issues. Had very little in the way of flashlighting, but was missing numerous adjustment features. I was getting the vertical pink and blue lines that you are talking about in normal content. I was also getting severe flickering during film based content without tru motion employed. I returned it and received a Febuary 2012 model and have little to no flashlighting with local dimming off and "0" with it set to low/medium. I have loved my LM7600 since the replacement. The LG is one of the best gaming and passive 3D sets you can get for the money and would recommend to anyone.
post #3272 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I bought an October 2012 build date set and had some serious software and hardware issues. Had very little in the way of flashlighting, but was missing numerous adjustment features. I was getting the vertical pink and blue lines that you are talking about in normal content. I was also getting severe flickering during film based content without tru motion employed. I returned it and received a Febuary 2012 model and have little to no flashlighting with local dimming off and "0" with it set to low/medium. I have loved my LM7600 since the replacement. The LG is one of the best gaming and passive 3D sets you can get for the money and would recommend to anyone.
The 7600 I exchanged with horrible flashlighting issues also had the Oct 2012 build date. My new one has the Sept. 2012 build date and has very minimal bleed issues.
post #3273 of 3922
Where do you see the build date?
post #3274 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Where do you see the build date?
Back of the set on a white sticker.
post #3275 of 3922
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Originally Posted by klopez3709 View Post

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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I bought an October 2012 build date set and had some serious software and hardware issues. Had very little in the way of flashlighting, but was missing numerous adjustment features. I was getting the vertical pink and blue lines that you are talking about in normal content. I was also getting severe flickering during film based content without tru motion employed. I returned it and received a Febuary 2012 model and have little to no flashlighting with local dimming off and "0" with it set to low/medium. I have loved my LM7600 since the replacement. The LG is one of the best gaming and passive 3D sets you can get for the money and would recommend to anyone.
The 7600 I exchanged with horrible flashlighting issues also had the Oct 2012 build date. My new one has the Sept. 2012 build date and has very minimal bleed issues.

The bleed almost certainly is disconnected from the build date. I've been seeing reports of this problem across the entire LG line, and AFAICT it's never been coincident with when the thing was created.
post #3276 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I have had that happen with the picture wizard where the picture wouldn't show up and it was just lines. Just had to exit out and start it again. Thinking it is just a software issue.

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Originally Posted by klopez3709 View Post

Had the same thing happen to me when I did the test while watching a Blu-Ray. Called support and by that time my screen saver came on (The LG logo) - ran the 2 tests again and it worked. Try the tests on an empty input and see if they work. In fact I ran them again today and had no problem. Initially I had those funky pink stripes.

Thank you very much. Sure enough when I selected an empty HDMI the picture test was fine. I didn't realize the picture test was dependent on the inputs. If this is the case do you think the hdmi port and/or cable could be bad or just LG SW not behaving properly? I will try swapping cables/ports later to test myself.
post #3277 of 3922
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I have had that happen with the picture wizard where the picture wouldn't show up and it was just lines. Just had to exit out and start it again. Thinking it is just a software issue.

So I read this and since I just updated my Firmware I decided to try the picture test. Sure enough the "pink lines" are there on an input that has video to it (HDMI). Test passes fine on an input that has no signal (HDMI again). So I did what I did the last time I updated the Firmware on my LM7600. Factory reset the TV. The test passed just fine but as soon as I changed the picture settings and ran the test again I got the "pink lines" back.
Edited by flhthemi - 3/25/13 at 7:15am
post #3278 of 3922
It's a quirk I would pay no attention to it.
post #3279 of 3922
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Originally Posted by MrT3010 View Post

Obviously a lot of these in the previous 110 pages odd, but for anyone joining in late and checking last pages that wants an updated review on the "latest build" LM7600's, has anything changed in their manufacturing that gets around some of the issues highlighted earlier? read on....
Just 3 weeks ago I purchased a new 55LM7600 (October 2012 build). Firstly updated firmware to the latest (cannot remember rev no. but whatever the lastest was in early March 2013). Did a quick calibration using the LCD buying guide calibration settings. I found these better than the CNET for my eyes and environment.
First impressions on power up noticed some spotlighting on right edge (2 separate spots around middle height and slight top left (but not as focused as the right edge spots).
Very noticeable on transition and smart TV screens but not so noticeable on regular TV viewing. Seemed to improve over the 2 wks to becoming hardly visible, was pretty happy with this. Then had to remove power to the TV for a day after doing some re-setup of new home theatre system.
When reconnecting power that night, the first power up, I noticed the very vivid spotlighting in same spots as originally, and back to a very vivid state. Was a bit dismayed as thought things had improved, hoped they would die down quickly, but after 1 wk still have it, seems a little better but now bottom right has a soft glow which I'm sure wasn't there before. So watching movie last night I have this right edge and bottom right glow that was really starting to frustrate me. Rrrr these panels teetering on being excellent but seems to be let down by these flaws. Personally I would rather have a wider bezel or pay higher price for more sturdy internals if it meant no spot lighting and prevented this inconsistent "panel lottery" outcome. It really is lower quality than a big name company should be striving for in my mind.
The weird thing is, I can watch in a light-to slightly darkened room a blu ray and be blown away with picture quality, blacks look outstanding in these conditions, 3-D is sensational and 90% of the time I really like the TV. Just bugs me when I see the spotlighting when watching in a darkened room it is distracting.
It does have some banding and again frustratingly this is actually worse when turning the local dimming up to Med which I sometimes feel necessary to lessen the spotlighting. Overall I could put up with its banding, if I could just get rid of the spotlighting. Hoping it will fade away like others have said, and I did see this to an extent already "first time" it was powered up.
Anyone know why LG insist on blasting their high bright, vivid type settings in transitions and menus?, all it does is bring attention to the spotlighting, almost embarrassed to go into some modes with people around, because they may see it for the first time and bring their attention to it. Why couldn't they just have your calibrated settings in every menu/transition? Anyway, has turned into spotlighting rant sorry, but it is a little frustrating for me. The other TV features, smart TV is average, haven't used a lot, but I did have it freeze in youtube apps running on WiFi (good bandwidth). PVR works OK, but annoyingly you can't use any Expert ISF setting saved in calibration, you can choose an option like standard, and adjust a few basic settings. Basically watching anything back on the PVR is a little ugly to watch (when your used to watching your perfect ISF adjusted picture setting).
Gaming on 360- I followed advise on here and labelled as PC and found no lag, works well. PC label gives you some basic calibration setting to get an OK picture.
I have not tested the dual play feature with glasses yet, will report back on this. Anyway overall some disappointments but also had some amazing viewing experiences with 3D blu rays in the right conditions. 10/10 for those, unfortunately the viewing experience changes with the ambient light from amazing to a bit frustrating. But looking at other reviews for alternative sets out their nothings perfect, even more expensive offerings from Samsung and Sony seem plagued with the usual LED issues.
To my eyes, and I did a lot of auditioning in stores for all brands, LG had the cleanest most refined picture, and LM7600 giving best bang for buck.
All above just my opinion of course.
I could not agree more. I have three days left to decide what to. I really want the to love this tv. And I do most of the time except when watching letter box blurays. The bars on the top and bottom show bleeding. Oh what do! Will I get used to it, I don't know. I came from a rpt that did great with movies. Will decide tomorrow.
post #3280 of 3922
One thing I find really odd is that theres not much mention of the issues with Trumotion?
Discounting the soap opera effect, which some people don't seem to mind, what about the video tearing and stuttering?
I looked at numerous store models running their demo blurays etc and they all do it so not a fault with one set, any occasion with some fast motion. Demos I saw in store were Thor, The Avengers, Art of Flight and even Puss in boots, with Trumotion on (I tested every factory setting), obviously the higher settings how it more but any scene with a fast moving object (natural or CGI) would result in tearing of the fast moving item on the screen. Note, I witnessed this on 9600, 8600 and 7600 so its not a processing power issue (as it does it the same with the dual core models also).
A couple of scenes I remember, try for yourselves. Thor- When they are riding out their horses across the bridge the horses at the back on the distant shot tear and stutter, but this can be seen at any points with a fast moving item moving along the screen on a wider pan, even Thor throwing up his hammer and re-catching it when walking into the room to his Father, the fast moving hammer image tears up.
Puss in boots- cat run along roof and falls through the air onto someones face, while its falling through the air it almost completely disappears at one point while it tears and trys to reimage itself.
Like I said I find it odd not much discussion on this, on all the pages I have read. Certainly fix for me that I am happy with is Trumotion off, and I love the picture quality like this.
I just find it odd that all the factory settings for a "feature" like this, completely destroy ability to watch a movie. Has not every owner of LG76, 86, 96 seen this and turned it off?
or is this just an issue with PAL versions running 50Hz? Although bluray is at 60Hz so not sure if this could be an issue?
post #3281 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Richard Perkins View Post

I really want the to love this tv.

This is a very consistent theme. The fact of the matter is, two things can happen if you keep it (depending on your personality):
  • If you're like me, every time you look at a 21:9 (or similar) in that TV you'll be irked by the non-black bars, and it won't go away because just looking for it will become a permanently latched memory. Further, every time you visit a friend, and their TV doesn't have that look, you'll be doubly irked.
  • ....Or you might forget about it entirely like most of us do about that scratch on the bumper, or whatever simile matches this best. However, I can forget about the scratch on the bumper, but could never not see this. To me this is more akin to my deck "off" on one side.

I can tell you right now that the former would never go away for me. So if you returned it on that basis alone, I'm sure you'd be in very good company.
post #3282 of 3922
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Originally Posted by MrT3010 View Post

When reconnecting power that night, the first power up, I noticed the very vivid spotlighting in same spots as originally, and back to a very vivid state. Was a bit dismayed as thought things had improved, hoped they would die down quickly, but after 1 wk still have it, seems a little better but now bottom right has a soft glow which I'm sure wasn't there before.

You mentioned that you had put in custom settings that reduced the flashlighting. Maybe when you cut the power, your settings reverted back to a factory state? It's worth checking out. Try re-doing your previous settings manually.
post #3283 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

This is a very consistent theme. The fact of the matter is, two things can happen if you keep it (depending on your personality):
  • If you're like me, every time you look at a 21:9 (or similar) in that TV you'll be irked by the non-black bars, and it won't go away because just looking for it will become a permanently latched memory. Further, every time you visit a friend, and their TV doesn't have that look, you'll be doubly irked.
  • ....Or you might forget about it entirely like most of us do about that scratch on the bumper, or whatever simile matches this best. However, I can forget about the scratch on the bumper, but could never not see this. To me this is more akin to my deck "off" on one side.

I can tell you right now that the former would never go away for me. So if you returned it on that basis alone, I'm sure you'd be in very good company.
I can fix scratch on bumper, not this issue. Details yo follow.
post #3284 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Richard Perkins View Post

I could not agree more. I have three days left to decide what to. I really want the to love this tv. And I do most of the time except when watching letter box blurays. The bars on the top and bottom show bleeding. Oh what do! Will I get used to it, I don't know. I came from a rpt that did great with movies. Will decide tomorrow.
This is why I have a plasma being delivered tomorrow. Not saying I will get rid of my 7600 for the plasma but there is no better way to compare the 2 of them unless it is in your home : )
If the plasma can give me the same picture or better (as plasma lovers claim they do) then the 7600 will go back. I know LED TVs are the cool thing in now but I will let the picture decide for itself. The one thing I know for sure after I first turn it on is I will not have to look for any flashlighting issues! I will actually be able to concentrate on the pq of the set. Also, people complain about plasma's and their glare issues but those people must have never seen the lm7600. How can a glare get any worse then the mirror on this thing.

I will be sure to post back what I think of the plasma compared to the 7600 overall. Although the plasma will be 60" so that within itself will kind of be bonus points. Also the plasma will be active 3d. I am excited to compare the 3d of active to passive.
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Originally Posted by MrT3010 View Post

One thing I find really odd is that theres not much mention of the issues with Trumotion?
Discounting the soap opera effect, which some people don't seem to mind, what about the video tearing and stuttering?
I looked at numerous store models running their demo blurays etc and they all do it so not a fault with one set, any occasion with some fast motion. Demos I saw in store were Thor, The Avengers, Art of Flight and even Puss in boots, with Trumotion on (I tested every factory setting), obviously the higher settings how it more but any scene with a fast moving object (natural or CGI) would result in tearing of the fast moving item on the screen. Note, I witnessed this on 9600, 8600 and 7600 so its not a processing power issue (as it does it the same with the dual core models also).
A couple of scenes I remember, try for yourselves. Thor- When they are riding out their horses across the bridge the horses at the back on the distant shot tear and stutter, but this can be seen at any points with a fast moving item moving along the screen on a wider pan, even Thor throwing up his hammer and re-catching it when walking into the room to his Father, the fast moving hammer image tears up.
Puss in boots- cat run along roof and falls through the air onto someones face, while its falling through the air it almost completely disappears at one point while it tears and trys to reimage itself.
Like I said I find it odd not much discussion on this, on all the pages I have read. Certainly fix for me that I am happy with is Trumotion off, and I love the picture quality like this.
I just find it odd that all the factory settings for a "feature" like this, completely destroy ability to watch a movie. Has not every owner of LG76, 86, 96 seen this and turned it off?
or is this just an issue with PAL versions running 50Hz? Although bluray is at 60Hz so not sure if this could be an issue?
There is not much talk about it because everyone here pretty much just turns it off. I personally use the user setting and put dejutter on 2 and deblur on 10. No issues with that setting at all and you will not get the SOE. The higher you raise the dejudder the more prevalent the SOE and screen tearing will become.
Edited by eric3316 - 3/25/13 at 6:23pm
post #3285 of 3922
My set also cant perform the picture test and 3d test. Idk if this is happening to everybody.
post #3286 of 3922
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Originally Posted by MrT3010 View Post

One thing I find really odd is that theres not much mention of the issues with Trumotion?
Discounting the soap opera effect, which some people don't seem to mind, what about the video tearing and stuttering?
I looked at numerous store models running their demo blurays etc and they all do it so not a fault with one set, any occasion with some fast motion. Demos I saw in store were Thor, The Avengers, Art of Flight and even Puss in boots, with Trumotion on (I tested every factory setting), obviously the higher settings how it more but any scene with a fast moving object (natural or CGI) would result in tearing of the fast moving item on the screen. Note, I witnessed this on 9600, 8600 and 7600 so its not a processing power issue (as it does it the same with the dual core models also).
A couple of scenes I remember, try for yourselves. Thor- When they are riding out their horses across the bridge the horses at the back on the distant shot tear and stutter, but this can be seen at any points with a fast moving item moving along the screen on a wider pan, even Thor throwing up his hammer and re-catching it when walking into the room to his Father, the fast moving hammer image tears up.
Puss in boots- cat run along roof and falls through the air onto someones face, while its falling through the air it almost completely disappears at one point while it tears and trys to reimage itself.
Like I said I find it odd not much discussion on this, on all the pages I have read. Certainly fix for me that I am happy with is Trumotion off, and I love the picture quality like this.
I just find it odd that all the factory settings for a "feature" like this, completely destroy ability to watch a movie. Has not every owner of LG76, 86, 96 seen this and turned it off?
or is this just an issue with PAL versions running 50Hz? Although bluray is at 60Hz so not sure if this could be an issue?

You haven't seen it mentioned much because it's relatively rare if set to something like smooth, and setting it to "Clear" stops it. Can't speak for 50HZ.
post #3287 of 3922
Version 04.50.03 downloaded today. I see no changes at this time.

Edit: A couple of the Icons when you name an Input had gone missing, including the Blu-ray symbol. They have been restored in this version.
Edited by tampa8 - 3/26/13 at 2:56pm
post #3288 of 3922
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

My set also cant perform the picture test and 3d test. Idk if this is happening to everybody.

Just read a couple of posts up?
post #3289 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Just read a couple of posts up?

yup. sorry sir. its a glitch.
post #3290 of 3922
Not sure if a coincidence, since the software update today the picture tests have worked.
post #3291 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Not sure if a coincidence, since the software update today the picture tests have worked.

Thanks, Tampa! Question: The software update is only on the engineering side? We had a recent update last week - I know you don't work for LG (do you? - lol) - but do you suppose we can expect another update so soon?
post #3292 of 3922
Lol, no don't work for them.... And yes today's update is the Engineering. Hard to say when or how many new updates there will be, but keep in mind at least on the outside sometimes, like today, there is no change.

Oops.... Just found the change made. Some of the symbols (Icons) for the Inputs went missing in the last couple of updates, they are now back.... That to me is a sign this version will eventually make it to the normal updates.
post #3293 of 3922
Thank you for all your valuable knowledge, Tampa!
post #3294 of 3922
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Originally Posted by MMcCraryNJ View Post

You mentioned that you had put in custom settings that reduced the flashlighting. Maybe when you cut the power, your settings reverted back to a factory state? It's worth checking out. Try re-doing your previous settings manually.

Thanks for the idea...I would loved for that to be the case. I actually checked my picture settings as soon as powered it back on and all good, it had retained them. By custom setting I just mean just following the lcd buying guide calibration setup and playing with LED local dimming levels. Which of course helps, given you are drastically reducing the BL setting on any half respectable calibration setting.
But having had a little more time with the "second power up, it is fading again, definitely less noticeable after 1 week than after that initial power up.....still saying that it is there. I think I am happy enough with all the other aspects of the TV that I will just cross fingers and hope the spot lighting fades even further with time (like some lucky others have said here).
post #3295 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

You haven't seen it mentioned much because it's relatively rare if set to something like smooth, and setting it to "Clear" stops it. Can't speak for 50HZ.

Thats interesting, maybe it is 50Hz thing then as definitely tearing on smooth or clear modes, on all models I tested here.
Given the Panasonic plasma 50Hz issue, I wish our country had of switched to 60Hz with the digital TV introduction, perfect opportunity to move everyone to this....oh well trumotion off for me and I'm happy anyway.
post #3296 of 3922
Called the repair department to take a look and see what if anything can be done for my 7600. Now my BP 620 by LG is taking a crap. LG is scaring me. Dealer ordered new 620 today for me. Yikes!tongue.gif
post #3297 of 3922
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Originally Posted by Richard Perkins View Post

Called the repair department to take a look and see what if anything can be done for my 7600. Now my BP 620 by LG is taking a crap. LG is scaring me. Dealer ordered new 620 today for me. Yikes!tongue.gif

They're in cahoots with each other. All the LG devices in your home are communicating via WiFi and they're organizing a schedule of F-ing up.

Just WAIT until you suddenly realize that LG panels are in Vizio, Panasonic and now Sony. ......try not to soil yourself.
post #3298 of 3922
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

They're in cahoots with each other. All the LG devices in your home are communicating via WiFi and they're organizing a schedule of F-ing up.

Just WAIT until you suddenly realize that LG panels are in Vizio, Panasonic and now Sony. ......try not to soil yourself.

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post #3299 of 3922
Important note! If you return your LG Smart TV - make sure to clear your Netflix and any other login info. I had some instant watching activity that neither my husband and I watched - like Jackass 2 and some other movies like Tyler Perry, etc. I called Netflix and they said it was coming from a LG Smart TV. I had returned 2 of them. The store, I guess, sold them as an open box item and someone was watching movies on my account. I hope they enjoyed them, as well as their cloudy screen and flashlighting issues. (Evil smile)

I changed my password and Netflix deactivated all my devices until I re-login with the new password. I also changed my LG Smart Apps account. Cancelled and re-registered with a different email address. Glad there was no payment method on that account. Lesson learned this time.
post #3300 of 3922
I'm looking at the 7600 as one of my candidates to replace my almost 8 year old 32" Sony. According to Input Lag.com this TV should be good for gaming since it has a great input lag time. Is this correct? I play Xbox lots of COD & Halo and a couple of other shooters. I'm going to try to read as much of this thread as possible. But from reading some of the post on the last page I'm a little bit of the LG's reliability. Although Consumer Reports rates them higher than Samsung for reliability.

Thanks.
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