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post #541 of 3602
5/3/12 at 9:56am
Any idea when we can expect a "professional" review from cnet US?

Seems after being out for 2 months, I'm surprised they don't have one yet.... (or for the current top-tier Samsung LCD's, either)
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post #542 of 3602
5/3/12 at 10:55am
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I own a Panasonic Plasma and the LM7600. Even with the small amount of flashlighting in the corners on the LM7600 I choose the LM7600 over the Panasonic any day of the week. As far as LCD sets go, if your looking for the deep blacks and limited viewing angle, I'd recommend Samsung. If the deep ink blacks are not so much a concern and your looking for an increased viewing angle and more realistic color, buy the LG. Take a look at the different LCD tech out there, IPS, PVA, MVA and you will see that each has its own special property and each has some type of compromise. Plasma still has burn in issues, just take a look at the issues with the Panasonic VT30 over at the HDJ forums. I'll probably take a lot of heat for this, but I have yet to see a flat panel tv that could compare to the older 1080 HD tube tv's.

Hi, I was also deciding on getting either the LG LM9600 because of the nano full array and passive 3D or the Panasonic GT50. I can't speak for the LM9600 because It's not out yet here in america but i've seen the LM7600 and LM 8600 and they didn't impress me at all. They were showing an HD feed (Baseball game)and the picture quality didn't look better than my previous Sharp Aquos D92 from 2008! I loved the look of the tv and 3D picture but HD didn't Wow me. I saw motion blur, flashlighting and blacks weren't excellent. I don't know which panasonic plasma you have but I ended up walking out with the new 2012 55" GT50 and I can tell you I have no IR or burn issues, white fluctuation, the blacks are the deepest I have seen comparable to Kuro blacks and no motion blur which is HUGE for sports. The colors really pop and natural skin tones and I have it in my bright living room with 5 windows on the side and it is brighter than last year's model. With that said I'm not knocking down the LG LM7600 it just didn't impress me. I'm sure the LM9600 will be a different story.
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post #543 of 3602
5/3/12 at 11:08am
I found this

****After a barrage of Facebook posts on LG USA & LG Canada's Facebook page, private messages between myself and the LG Canada Facebook Moderator, and phone calls to the 1-800 number, I was finally able to connect with LG Canada's HE Training Support Manager. I was a little unsure if the conversation would turn out to be about as helpful as the 1-800 support (sarcasm), but to my surprise, the conversation was very helpful and satisfied my question by acknowledging this issue is in fact due to an oversight. Apparently, just before I called him back, he had received a communication from LG Korea who now officially acknowledge this problem with the first run of 47 & 55 LM series sets. It is classified as a "known issue" now.

The LG Rep had opened up a few factory fresh models from their warehouse this morning and confirmed the feature does exist on the batch shipping currently. They have a newer version of firmware installed which brings TruMotion control to the menu. Seeing as his findings at the warehouse were completely contradictory to my complaint, he then decided to drop by a retail store to investigate with a demo. There were no 55LM's on display, but there was a 47LM and after testing, it was confirmed undeniably this set did not have TruMotion.

Conclusion: It's just a matter of time now until the first batch has TruMotion installed via software update. Not only did the gentleman who I spoke with know his stuff, but he gave deadlines and clear expectations of when we can expect an update - By the end of May, if not sooner. He suggested we keep checking as it could become available any day now.

In short, here are the highlights and specific details from the conversation:

1. If you buy a 47" or 55" with a May serial number the feature will exist. They come with a newer version of the firmware which includes the TruMotion settings.

2. If you have a TV older than late Apr/May (Mine has an early Apr serial number) a web released update will be available no later than the end of May.

3. There is no need to worry about hardware compatibility. The newest batch and first are hardware identical. The problem is simply a software oversight and resolved with the update.

I hope this helps. If you're at all like me, you love this set! I'm looking forward to being able to tweak the dejudder settings and TruMotion processing.****



I decided to buy this tv (47lm7600) as serial which is is late April, early May? I do not want to wait out the update, I want you ready to truMO Settings
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post #544 of 3602
5/3/12 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by todoendvd View Post

I found this

****After a barrage of Facebook posts on LG USA & LG Canada's Facebook page, private messages between myself and the LG Canada Facebook Moderator, and phone calls to the 1-800 number, I was finally able to connect with LG Canada's HE Training Support Manager. I was a little unsure if the conversation would turn out to be about as helpful as the 1-800 support (sarcasm), but to my surprise, the conversation was very helpful and satisfied my question by acknowledging this issue is in fact due to an oversight. Apparently, just before I called him back, he had received a communication from LG Korea who now officially acknowledge this problem with the first run of 47 & 55 LM series sets. It is classified as a "known issue" now.

The LG Rep had opened up a few factory fresh models from their warehouse this morning and confirmed the feature does exist on the batch shipping currently. They have a newer version of firmware installed which brings TruMotion control to the menu. Seeing as his findings at the warehouse were completely contradictory to my complaint, he then decided to drop by a retail store to investigate with a demo. There were no 55LM's on display, but there was a 47LM and after testing, it was confirmed undeniably this set did not have TruMotion.

Conclusion: It's just a matter of time now until the first batch has TruMotion installed via software update. Not only did the gentleman who I spoke with know his stuff, but he gave deadlines and clear expectations of when we can expect an update - By the end of May, if not sooner. He suggested we keep checking as it could become available any day now.

In short, here are the highlights and specific details from the conversation:

1. If you buy a 47" or 55" with a May serial number the feature will exist. They come with a newer version of the firmware which includes the TruMotion settings.

2. If you have a TV older than late Apr/May (Mine has an early Apr serial number) a web released update will be available no later than the end of May.

3. There is no need to worry about hardware compatibility. The newest batch and first are hardware identical. The problem is simply a software oversight and resolved with the update.

I hope this helps. If you're at all like me, you love this set! I'm looking forward to being able to tweak the dejudder settings and TruMotion processing.****



I decided to buy this tv (47lm7600) as serial which is is late April, early May? I do not want to wait out the update, I want you ready to truMO Settings

I'm kind of confused by this. So was your only problem was that you didn't have the trumotion options available? I know most here who have the 7600 DO have those options, including myself. A bunch said they returned theirs til they received one with the options available.
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post #545 of 3602
5/3/12 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Hi, I was also deciding on getting either the LG LM9600 because of the nano full array and passive 3D or the Panasonic GT50. I can't speak for the LM9600 because It's not out yet here in america but i've seen the LM7600 and LM 8600 and they didn't impress me at all. They were showing an HD feed (Baseball game)and the picture quality didn't look better than my previous Sharp Aquos D92 from 2008! I loved the look of the tv and 3D picture but HD didn't Wow me. I saw motion blur, flashlighting and blacks weren't excellent. I don't know which panasonic plasma you have but I ended up walking out with the new 2012 55" GT50 and I can tell you I have no IR or burn issues, white fluctuation, the blacks are the deepest I have seen comparable to Kuro blacks and no motion blur which is HUGE for sports. The colors really pop and natural skin tones and I have it in my bright living room with 5 windows on the side and it is brighter than last year's model. With that said I'm not knocking down the LG LM7600 it just didn't impress me. I'm sure the LM9600 will be a different story.

Are you talking about watching live tv in a brick and mortar store? Most stores have their connections split so many times it's ridiculous. I love watching sports on this tv, and have no blur of flashlighting. You just have to calibrate it. While I think the blacks are fine on this tv, if thats the most important thing to you, plasma is probably a better option.
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post #546 of 3602
5/3/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by todoendvd View Post

I found this

****After a barrage of Facebook posts on LG USA & LG Canada's Facebook page, private messages between myself and the LG Canada Facebook Moderator, and phone calls to the 1-800 number, I was finally able to connect with LG Canada's HE Training Support Manager. I was a little unsure if the conversation would turn out to be about as helpful as the 1-800 support (sarcasm), but to my surprise, the conversation was very helpful and satisfied my question by acknowledging this issue is in fact due to an oversight. Apparently, just before I called him back, he had received a communication from LG Korea who now officially acknowledge this problem with the first run of 47 & 55 LM series sets. It is classified as a "known issue" now.

Hope what you say is a real and does work out that smoothly. I have set with early April date works gr8 have truemotion menu but i wonder it works or not..with any changed in truemotion picture remains the same. Tired calling lg guys becoz nobody is ready to accept it. But it has gr8 picture quality.

So what i get from you post is all who like me who thinks truemotion is not making any changes or working with truemotion menu option after the update it would be solved right??
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post #547 of 3602
5/3/12 at 1:24pm
I hope the TrueMotion update also includes the 47LM6700 model that I own as well.
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post #548 of 3602
5/3/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Hi, I was also deciding on getting either the LG LM9600 because of the nano full array and passive 3D or the Panasonic GT50. I can't speak for the LM9600 because It's not out yet here in america but i've seen the LM7600 and LM 8600 and they didn't impress me at all. They were showing an HD feed (Baseball game)and the picture quality didn't look better than my previous Sharp Aquos D92 from 2008! I loved the look of the tv and 3D picture but HD didn't Wow me. I saw motion blur, flashlighting and blacks weren't excellent. I don't know which panasonic plasma you have but I ended up walking out with the new 2012 55" GT50 and I can tell you I have no IR or burn issues, white fluctuation, the blacks are the deepest I have seen comparable to Kuro blacks and no motion blur which is HUGE for sports. The colors really pop and natural skin tones and I have it in my bright living room with 5 windows on the side and it is brighter than last year's model. With that said I'm not knocking down the LG LM7600 it just didn't impress me. I'm sure the LM9600 will be a different story.

I own the ST series, which I believe shares the same panel as the GT series. Just wait till you have a couple hundred hours on your plasma, you will find that the green phosphors will develop issues. If you look around, you will find that most report issues with burn in that can be seen while watching the break in slides (the grey and green in particular).
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post #549 of 3602
5/3/12 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by MartyGillis View Post

I am passing both Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS core but only from local file playback from a USB source. Audio originating from any of the HDMI inputs is only output in stereo so far. The hardware is there apparently but for some reason LG is limiting us to only 2 channel pass thru if we connect our DVR or BD Players via HDMI and try to extract Surround from the optical jack. Phooey!

Couple of things to look at:
1. In the audio set-up options make sure you enable the ARC for HDMI.
2. On the HMDI Inputs, make sure you use the ARC channel as your connection to the reciever.
3. Check to see if your HDMI cable(s) are high-speed HDMI with ARC channel support.

Not quite sure about the pass through on the Optical out yet, I haven't got much re-connect yet. I know exactly what you mean; my Samsung would only pass stereo. I had to run separate audio connects from each source to my reciever since the Samsung ate the multi-channel signal.
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post #550 of 3602
5/3/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Couple of things to look at:
1. In the audio set-up options make sure you enable the ARC for HDMI.
2. On the HMDI Inputs, make sure you use the ARC channel as your connection to the reciever.
3. Check to see if your HDMI cable(s) are high-speed HDMI with ARC channel support.

Not quite sure about the pass through on the Optical out yet, I haven't got much re-connect yet. I know exactly what you mean; my Samsung would only pass stereo. I had to run separate audio connects from each source to my reciever since the Samsung ate the multi-channel signal.

Thanks! I did try the ARC and so far have not been able to get it working properly. Perhaps my HDMI cable is just not up to the job. ??
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post #551 of 3602
5/3/12 at 3:48pm
OK, here is something I haven't figured out yet.

I can't get the 7600 to pass Pandora to my reciever unless the TV speaker is on. If I hit mute or go into the audio controls and turn the internal speakers off the Pandora audio signal drops to zero. My reciever still "sees" the digital signal but it has no content.

With the TV speaker on and not-muted, the audio comes through and plays from the reciever but the sound quality is killed by the overlapping TV speakers.

What am I overlooking
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post #552 of 3602
5/3/12 at 4:17pm


I know these sets are just really beginning to hit the stores and this requst is probably early, but ...

Anyone managed to get a tech manual for the 7600 series. The standard owners manual is, well, kinda, SUCKY .

The owners manual has absolutely ZERO information describing the various settings, menus, and features. This set has a lot of settings and I have no idea what many of them actually do.

Many of these are "universa"l type settings like color and tint and are semi-obvious but it would have been nice to mention the set has built in set-up patterns and color filters to set accurate levels with.

Last night I found three new settings grass, sky, and skin. What do these do? What other menus haven't I even found yet?

I am finding that this set can produce a great image but it really takes a very carefully configured set of parameters. Just having one of the major setting off by 10% makes a big difference in the overall PQ.
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post #553 of 3602
5/3/12 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by MartyGillis View Post

Thanks! I did try the ARC and so far have not been able to get it working properly. Perhaps my HDMI cable is just not up to the job. ??

Maybe; if its relatively "new" it will probably support the latest HDMI features and the pass-through is another issue. If its "old" in may not be capable of passing full audio or video. I think its a bigger issue when you are connecting a new reciever with HDMI connections. The HDMI "standard" changes continuously and some of the older cabling just doesn't work with all the new features of the latest "standard". I think we are at HDMI 1.4 now.

Another possible "complication" with all these digital signals is that the source has digital copy protection on it. If the TV detects DCP (digital copy protection) in the stream it may just pass stereo so you can't copy the full stream ((THIS IS COMPLETE SPECULATION but I'll throw it out there for someone who knows))
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post #554 of 3602
5/3/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by MartyGillis View Post

Thanks! I did try the ARC and so far have not been able to get it working properly. Perhaps my HDMI cable is just not up to the job. ??

I did brought up this while back..i have samsung D6500 Home theater and had everything fine about arc on,hdmi arc capable and so on..I did get my blue ray sound in home theater but was no way able to get the local tv sound in home theater speaker.Was on call with LG and Samsung support for long and nothing worked out. Tried changing the cables and still no sound. Then switched to digital optical audio cable and now m all set. But still not clear why not able to get Tv audio in home theater speaker through ARC?
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post #555 of 3602
5/3/12 at 6:57pm
I know its not the forums for deal but amazon price has dropped back to $1299/-
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post #556 of 3602
5/3/12 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by sat9090 View Post

Wow that's interesting. Was planning to go for basic cable for local channels think you just saved me $$. My apts are little on hill top would it affect in any way when u say flat terrain?? Also tried putting my zipcode on link u provided i am confused about "Select your preferred antenna type by choosing the color code that matches the stations you want to view. "

The list show just 2 or 3 channels which are under 24 miles while other's are all 33 miles and onward (: . Little novice would appreciate if you can guide..thanks in advance

The antenna type questions are for folks who want an outdoor antenna. I just used the website to find out that all our local stations are due north 24 miles. Most of the stations came in on the antenna loop without turning on the power. Two of them required the power be turned on. Since all were all due north, I didn't have to turn or move the antenna at all.

There are also a bunch of stations from another nearby city, but they are due south, 32 miles away. I can't get any of them, even with the antenna powered on.

We live in a one story home and the TV and antenna are in the northwest corner of the house. If you live on a hilltop, you might do better. I also tried an Emerson amplified indoor antenna and it was nearly as good as the RCA. I picked up the RCA at Target, but I've seen it in Walmart. If you open it carefully and it doesn't work, you probably could return it.

I also bought a small amplifier for $20 at Best Buy and hooked it to a beat up 37 year old roof antenna for a neighbor to pick up 2 additional stations she couldn't get without it.
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post #557 of 3602
5/4/12 at 3:10pm
I recently got my 55lm7600 and have time to watch a few movies and calibrate it. It has a very nice picture but I would have to say my60D8000 from Samsung is a little better. The picture seems sharper overall on the 60D8000.

I have not watched any 3d to compare yet.

I do not have any flashlighting or banding that I have noticed on the 55lm7600. My 60d8000 has a little flaslighting in 2 corners but the cinema black feature takes care of those issues during letterbox movies. Never noticeable any other time.

Overall both are great displays.
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post #558 of 3602
5/4/12 at 5:26pm
Received and mounted the replacement 55lm7600 today. While I haven't had
much time to tweak it and look for issues, I did test for flash lighting/bleeding with some of the same source material that was problematic before, and first glance was showing little to no issues. I'm hopeful that continues and will post pictures of the before/after when I have a chance.
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post #559 of 3602
5/5/12 at 6:15am
I just got mine and it is exhibiting some light bleeding in several spots. Very evident when there is no signal. Of course I can return but hate to get another set with the same issue. Is it due to the extremely thin bezel?

And is it mostly a cosmetic issue, because it does go away when I have a signal
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post #560 of 3602
5/5/12 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by Jeff-Father View Post

I just got mine and it is exhibiting some light bleeding in several spots. Very evident when there is no signal. Of course I can return but hate to get another set with the same issue. Is it due to the extremely thin bezel?

And is it mostly a cosmetic issue, because it does go away when I have a signal

Even i have same issue. But what i am told from the forum helpers is local dimming or picture setting wont work during no signal page,which if it is true then its ok. Even in my case during playing any sort of video i cannot see even slightest bleeding. I am at the end of 2nd week and in total confusion what if return and new piece would then have bleeding in videos too.

If you dont mind please check on youtube screen were u need to select search/mytube and so on..are you able to see bleeding their?? I am able to see just during that page were you need to select the youtube options.
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post #561 of 3602
5/5/12 at 7:07am
I can see it on the youtube page but most prominent after you select a video and the tv is preparing to play and all goes black
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post #562 of 3602
5/5/12 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Jeff-Father View Post

I can see it on the youtube page but most prominent after you select a video and the tv is preparing to play and all goes black

Same here..i am totally confused..if you see my post in the past i have even posted pics and somebody replied me saying picture options are not on input screens...what do u plan to do??
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post #563 of 3602
5/5/12 at 8:26am
Still setting up the 7600 and started looking at the apps. Am I missing something ? Everyting in the LG app store (free or fee) appears to be garbage. Based on content, apps appear to be a useless feature on LG sets.
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post #564 of 3602
5/5/12 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Still setting up the 7600 and started looking at the apps. Am I missing something ? Everyting in the LG app store (free or fee) appears to be garbage. Based on content, apps appear to be a useless feature on LG sets.

you mean you don't like the K-Pop app?!

You know you like Korean Pop!
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post #565 of 3602
5/5/12 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by sat9090 View Post

Same here..i am totally confused..if you see my post in the past i have even posted pics and somebody replied me saying picture options are not on input screens...what do u plan to do??

Don't worry just enjoy the tv set, you only see the bleeding when there is no signal...when will you watch a tv without signal...?....
Like you say before its because without signal the local dimming does not work...
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post #566 of 3602
5/5/12 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by modde239 View Post

Don't worry just enjoy the tv set, you only see the bleeding when there is no signal...when will you watch a tv without signal...?....
Like you say before its because without signal the local dimming does not work...

Yes, I think this is want I am going to do. One of the trade offs of getting a thin bezel model. The picture is gorgeous. A heck of a lot better than my five year old Samsung (to be expected)
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post #567 of 3602
5/5/12 at 6:38pm
Is there anyway to map the trumotion button to a Harmony 880?

I like to change settings depending on what I am watching and would like a one button access.
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post #568 of 3602
5/6/12 at 6:50am
OK, so last night with only a single small lamp in the room for lighting I put in Harry Potter, Half Blood Prince (to entertain some guests) and I find myself out of my normal straigt-on viewing position and sitting to the side at about 35-40 degrees from the panel.

Aweful, awefuuul, awwwwefuullll picture. This movie is very dark and has very little color in it and really showed me how bad the black level on this set is. This was from a standard DVD over HDMI from an average BluRay player that had been set-up with the AVS set up disk. All the other settings had been optimized as well.

The "black" letter-box bars are not black; there is enough light pouring out of the panel that true-black (as guaged by the thin bands of the bezel) is probably 4 steps lower (on a 10 step scale) than what I am getting. Sitting to the side makes everything worse. The off angle viewing from this set is very poor. Not only does the black level get worse but the contrast drops off rapidly since the brightness also drops off.

Movie ends and I switched over to Saturday Night Live from an OTA broadcast in HD. Pow, bright and colorful full screen image that looked great. The angular drop off is still present but not nearly as noticeable on bright image comtent.

The set works great on bright content but you can really see the shortcommings of edge-lit LED/LCD on dark content. If this is an IPS panel then I also have to conclude that IPS is greatly over-rated for superior viewing angle.

Maybe plasma is the only current way to get a better black level and maybe all the LED sets have black-level problems. I'm putting this out there for anyone considering their options. The contrast ratio is high because the brights are VERY bright, not because the blacks are deep.
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post #569 of 3602
5/6/12 at 7:20am
Yesterday I was channel surfing and found a playoff game on a strong HD brocast channel. Expecting to be dazzled with this new set I actually found myself rather disappointed. On stationary images with a lot of white in them the panel looks relatively uniform but when the image is put in motion, from the constant back-and-forth panning of the camera, the screen non-uniformities come to life. Inconsistent, irregular, "rays" and blotches starting at the edge and running inward about 6 to 8 inches along about 1/3 the length of the bottom of the screen. There may be more on the top as well but the camera has the dark crowd and arena at the top so its not "white". Probably on the sides also but they don't pan the camera up and down so you can't see the effect.

Its not banding from the local dimmimg; I was happy to find I couldn't notice any banding at all. I think this is kinda like "reverse flashlighting". All those non-uniformities that can be seen in a dark room with no input that "disappear" when you apply a signal come back to life in reverse on bright images. Content like a hockey game brings them out.
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post #570 of 3602
5/6/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Yesterday I was channel surfing and found a playoff game on a strong HD brocast channel. Expecting to be dazzled with this new set I actually found myself rather disappointed. On stationary images with a lot of white in them the panel looks relatively uniform but when the image is put in motion, from the constant back-and-forth panning of the camera, the screen non-uniformities come to life. Inconsistent, irregular, "rays" and blotches starting at the edge and running inward about 6 to 8 inches along about 1/3 the length of the bottom of the screen. There may be more on the top as well but the camera has the dark crowd and arena at the top so its not "white". Probably on the sides also but they don't pan the camera up and down so you can't see the effect.

Its not banding from the local dimmimg; I was happy to find I couldn't notice any banding at all. I think this is kinda like "reverse flashlighting". All those non-uniformities that can be seen in a dark room with no input that "disappear" when you apply a signal come back to life in reverse on bright images. Content like a hockey game brings them out.

I don't know if we have different calibrations, but I've had friends over to watch basketball and hockey in hd through uverse and we all thought it was amazing. I didn't notice any blur or any of these "rays" you talk about. Nobody really cared for the 2d to 3d though.
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