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post #571 of 3596
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

OK, so last night with only a single small lamp in the room for lighting I put in Harry Potter, Half Blood Prince (to entertain some guests) and I find myself out of my normal straigt-on viewing position and sitting to the side at about 35-40 degrees from the panel.

Aweful, awefuuul, awwwwefuullll picture. This movie is very dark and has very little color in it and really showed me how bad the black level on this set is. This was from a standard DVD over HDMI from an average BluRay player that had been set-up with the AVS set up disk. All the other settings had been optimized as well.

The "black" letter-box bars are not black; there is enough light pouring out of the panel that true-black (as guaged by the thin bands of the bezel) is probably 4 steps lower (on a 10 step scale) than what I am getting. Sitting to the side makes everything worse. The off angle viewing from this set is very poor. Not only does the black level get worse but the contrast drops off rapidly since the brightness also drops off.

Movie ends and I switched over to Saturday Night Live from an OTA broadcast in HD. Pow, bright and colorful full screen image that looked great. The angular drop off is still present but not nearly as noticeable on bright image comtent.

The set works great on bright content but you can really see the shortcommings of edge-lit LED/LCD on dark content. If this is an IPS panel then I also have to conclude that IPS is greatly over-rated for superior viewing angle.

Maybe plasma is the only current way to get a better black level and maybe all the LED sets have black-level problems. I'm putting this out there for anyone considering their options. The contrast ratio is high because the brights are VERY bright, not because the blacks are deep.

Can you post your settings?
I watched a bunch of letterbox videos and they all look great. Also, were the settings calibrated for a bright room?
post #572 of 3596
I was just introduced to this set yesterday. I had been casually following the LG threads waiting to see when the 9600 model comes out as that is the one with the same type of dimming as the Sony HX929 sets, but I had not been following the 7600 models per se.

Yesterday, my wife and I stopped by an HH Greg store to see if they had both the 55" Sony HX929 model and the 55" Samsuing ES8000 models in the same room with the same video feed. They had the 60" Samsung and the 55" Sony and we went back and forth between them looking at the image quaity of one vis a vis the other. We ended up not being overly thrilled with either one. The Sony was too muted and the Samsung was too bright.

The salesman asked me to look at the 55" LG 7600 set, and it looked very good. The image quality seemed to combine the best traits of the Sony and Samsung- had a richness of color the Sony lacked while avoiding the brashness of the Samsung.

At the beginning, all 3 sets were in vivid mode, but I had the salesman put all 3 in standard / normal mode. Either way, I preferred the LG.

Have others compared the LG 7600 specifically to the HX929 sets / the ES8000 sets? If so, was wondering what the opinions are.

I am tempted to buy the 7600 now rather than waiting to look at the 9600 sets.

Thanks
Bruce
post #573 of 3596
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

OK, so last night with only a single small lamp in the room for lighting I put in Harry Potter, Half Blood Prince (to entertain some guests) and I find myself out of my normal straigt-on viewing position and sitting to the side at about 35-40 degrees from the panel.

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The set works great on bright content but you can really see the shortcommings of edge-lit LED/LCD on dark content. If this is an IPS panel then I also have to conclude that IPS is greatly over-rated for superior viewing angle.

While I can't say that I've conducted any scientific tests with varying content, I will say my experience with both of the 55lm7600s we've owned (now on our second), I've been very impressed by the off angle viewing. When we do a family movie night with the kids, my wife and I sit look bookends on our sectional, both being considerably off center, and the picture looks great.

In fact, there's a spot in the corner of the room on the same wall as the tv where we have a little chair. I'll sit there sometimes when we let our daughter watch some Disney Jr., and while obviously that content is very bright, I'm impressed at how good the picture is at about a 15-20 degree angle.
post #574 of 3596
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Originally Posted by BruceOmega View Post


Have others compared the LG 7600 specifically to the HX929 sets / the ES8000 sets? If so, was wondering what the opinions are.

Thanks
Bruce

I didn't get to do a side-by-side with the Sony, buy did between the LG 7600 and the Samsung es8000, and we both preferred the pic (and my wife really preferred the bezel) of the LG lm7600.
post #575 of 3596
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Originally Posted by CoryB23 View Post

I didn't get to do a side-by-side with the Sony, buy did between the LG 7600 and the Samsung es8000, and we both preferred the pic (and my wife really preferred the bezel) of the LG lm7600.

Thank you, appreciate the feedback.
post #576 of 3596
I have got the LG 55LM760 (europe) for about 3 weeks and I have to say I love this set....sure its not perfect but there is no perfect tv....just don't analyse your tv with a microscope you will always find something wrong with it.....just enjoy....
post #577 of 3596
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Originally Posted by CoryB23 View Post

While I can't say that I've conducted any scientific tests with varying content, I will say my experience with both of the 55lm7600s we've owned (now on our second), I've been very impressed by the off angle viewing. When we do a family movie night with the kids, my wife and I sit look bookends on our sectional, both being considerably off center, and the picture looks great.

In fact, there's a spot in the corner of the room on the same wall as the tv where we have a little chair. I'll sit there sometimes when we let our daughter watch some Disney Jr., and while obviously that content is very bright, I'm impressed at how good the picture is at about a 15-20 degree angle.

And is this same even with dark screens..i mean r u happy with black levels??
post #578 of 3596
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Originally Posted by sat9090 View Post


And is this same even with dark screens..i mean r u happy with black levels??

That's still up for debate. I haven't had an issue with it yet, but haven't watched any really dark material late. It's in our main family room, so it usually goes from a few children's shows to basketball or baseball pretty quickly. Once I get a chance to put it through its paces with Dark Knight and Inception, I'll post further feedback. Can't promise that anytime soon though.
post #579 of 3596
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Originally Posted by sat9090 View Post

And is this same even with dark screens..i mean r u happy with black levels??

I am very happy with the black level on my LG 55LM760, before this set I had a LG 60" plasma and the blacks are much better on the LM760 compared to the LG plasma.....
post #580 of 3596
Im contemplating whether to take back my second LM7600 set due to flashlighting.

the model on display at BB has absolutely zero issues with this, deep blacks all the way to the edge even on Vivid with the backlight jacked all the way up. So it seems that its possible to have one without this issue, no matter what your settings are.
What Im wondering is if being on for 2 months continuously has helped the store display???

the other strange issue is that BB does not have this set in inventory fo rmuch of the Middle Atlantic (Im in NC). Its been that way for a month and they said they werent even able to order one. Yes its a new set but its been out for 2 months now.I dont get the inventory issues? Wonder if there are production issues?
post #581 of 3596
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Originally Posted by BruceOmega View Post


I am tempted to buy the 7600 now rather than waiting to look at the 9600 sets.

Thanks
Bruce

Bruce, I am in the same situation as you. I have been trying to decided between a Samsung and the LG. I would really prefer the LG9600 but no one seems to know when it is going to be released. I have been waiting on the Samsung ES7100 which is the same as the ES8000 except without the camera and voice controls which I have no interest in but it is also still waiting to be released. So the only two available today to compare is the two you looked at. I am going to HHGreg tomorrow to view the LG7600 vs the Samsung ES8000.
What I have read indicates that the LG is much better for 3D and the Samsung is better for non 3D PQ.
post #582 of 3596
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Originally Posted by ben12345 View Post

Bruce, I am in the same situation as you. I have been trying to decided between a Samsung and the LG. I would really prefer the LG9600 but no one seems to know when it is going to be released. I have been waiting on the Samsung ES7100 which is the same as the ES8000 except without the camera and voice controls which I have no interest in but it is also still waiting to be released. So the only two available today to compare is the two you looked at. I am going to HHGreg tomorrow to view the LG7600 vs the Samsung ES8000.
What I have read indicates that the LG is much better for 3D and the Samsung is better for non 3D PQ.

You might be interested in the 9600 review at

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/revie...v-full-assault

Jim
post #583 of 3596
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Originally Posted by CoryB23 View Post

That's still up for debate. I haven't had an issue with it yet, but haven't watched any really dark material late. It's in our main family room, so it usually goes from a few children's shows to basketball or baseball pretty quickly. Once I get a chance to put it through its paces with Dark Knight and Inception, I'll post further feedback. Can't promise that anytime soon though.

Surely put a post when u get a chance..i am into this high end tvs and yesterday was watching contraband and specially in night outdoor scenes as well dark scenes i was not comfortable. Bright and daylight pictures are just awesome. But after knowing what is black levels i have started feeling something is not right..(:
post #584 of 3596
Guys need urgent help..3 weeks back got 47' 7600 @1391 including taxes and now getting 8600 for $1400 + no tax + free shipping. Should i return and get 8600 dual core + skype ready?? what say..

I am pretty happy with my 7600
post #585 of 3596
Hi,

Would someone like to answer on how does this set perform with different video files (divx,xvid,mkv,mp4) from external usb harddrive, and does it support subtitles (.sub/.srt) for the mentioned video formats ?

Thanks in advance.
post #586 of 3596
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Originally Posted by tuakko View Post

Hi,

Would someone like to answer on how does this set perform with different video files (divx,xvid,mkv,mp4) from external usb harddrive, and does it support subtitles (.sub/.srt) for the mentioned video formats ?

Thanks in advance.

I have been able to play anything except FLAC files and ISO. I have played H264, all forms of Mkv, divx , Xvid, etc at both 720 and 1080p without any glitching. Subs work but many times the LG software defaults to the subs and you have to manually turn them off on the "Set Video Play" menu while the file is playing. LG states they have a data transfer limit of 20mbs but none of my files even approach that.
post #587 of 3596
the LM8600 models are currently available for about 10-100 dollars more than the LM7600 models( 47"- 55")

Anyone think it's worth it? Info on the 8600 seems really thin.
post #588 of 3596
differences between the 7600 and the 8600 seem thin indeed: mostly the dual core cpu and aesthetics.

I've got the 7600 from hhgregg last Friday and will be returning it shortly.

I like the set and like the picture quality. I have accentuated backlight bleeding on the lower-left corner, but it doesn't bother me too much. The "local dimming" takes care of most of it anyway.

The deal breaker for me is the vertical banding which is noticeable during normal viewing (no special content necessary to spot them). Even my wife, while watching HGTV, has spotted them and she certainly doesn't go about looking for flaws.

The bands are more easily spotted while watching panning shots (sports). I will try to post pics later.
post #589 of 3596
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Originally Posted by drhifive View Post

the LM8600 models are currently available for about 10-100 dollars more than the LM7600 models( 47"- 55")

Anyone think it's worth it? Info on the 8600 seems really thin.

I did pulled the trigger on 8600 after 2 weeks of 7600 usage.paid $1391 including taxes on 7600 while paid $33 more for $8600. Dual core,skype enabled and voice control remote just few differences..but majorly went becoz for $33 buck got dual core n skyp..it was no brainier call )
post #590 of 3596
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Originally Posted by guima View Post

differences between the 7600 and the 8600 seem thin indeed: mostly the dual core cpu and aesthetics.

I've got the 7600 from hhgregg last Friday and will be returning it shortly.

I like the set and like the picture quality. I have accentuated backlight bleeding on the lower-left corner, but it doesn't bother me too much. The "local dimming" takes care of most of it anyway.

The deal breaker for me is the vertical banding which is noticeable during normal viewing (no special content necessary to spot them). Even my wife, while watching HGTV, has spotted them and she certainly doesn't go about looking for flaws.

The bands are more easily spotted while watching panning shots (sports). I will try to post pics later.

Good luck on finding a thin edge-lit panel that doesn't have banding/DSE to some degree. I'm on my 5th one.......
post #591 of 3596
Is banding really bad on the new LG range then?

What about the Samsung ES range, talk of this banding and seeing photos of it in action is definitely putting me off upgrading from an old LG LCD tv.
post #592 of 3596
I've done that, trying sets until I find a decent one, in 2008. All 2007 models had some bad issue and we ended up paying a premium for the (back then) newly released samsung LN-T4665F (3k).

My reasoning was that all those issues would have been resolved by now (clouding has to some degree), but to my surprise the panels got thinner, but not better (since my 2008 TV does not suffer from banding).

And again to my surprise, 4 years later I still have to spend 3K for a good/decent LCD.

I can't speak for others, but IMO it is VERY distracting because the bands emphasize movement especially in panning shots. The bands drag your attention from whatever else you should have been looking at.

So, I will return the set to the store and wait. Perhaps the LG 9600 may be worth another try, but I won't be going back to the store until I read some good reviews on a particular set.
post #593 of 3596
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Originally Posted by guima View Post

Perhaps the LG 9600 may be worth another try, but I won't be going back to the store until I read some good reviews on a particular set.

Nope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzQl...1&feature=plcp

Recorded by StickyWinkey at AVForums from his 9600. It looks like utter garbage for the price.
post #594 of 3596
My 55LM7600 was delivered today (manufacture date April 2012) and I played with it some during lunch. I watched a little bit of the Dark Knight Blu-Ray. I have not noticed any flashlighting, vertical banding, or any other issues so far. The PQ looks great to me. The one thing I don't like is the soap opera effect when TruMotion is up too high. Luckily that's easily adjustable.

My previous TV was a 50" Panasonic plasma, and this is my first big LCD/LED. I am liking the picture a lot better on the LG. I think one of the problems with the Plasma is that there's a lot of light in my TV room and I really couldn't tell what was going on in dark scenes. I don't have that problem with the LG.

Maybe my newbie status when it comes to LCD is causing me to not notice issues that would be obvious to long-time LCD owners. But I'm just glad to no longer have to look at color-banding (which my plasma had).

I also tried one 3D disc (the last Harry Potter) and the 3D was awesome. My Blu-ray player is a PS3.

The only problem I've had so far is connecting to my WiFi network. The input only accepts up to 32 characters (even though it says to enter 8-64 characters), so if your password is longer than that, you have to change it. And the password/phrase cannot have any spaces in it. I called LG customer support and they didn't know any way around it other than changing the password, and said no one else had reported the issue.

Now I'm going to have to upgrade to an HDMI 1.4 receiver so I can have 3D and Blu-ray HD audio at the same time. Aaargh.

Anyway, I'm really glad I made the purchase (I did the ultra-cheap Sears deal they had going a few weeks ago). But we'll see what happens when I watch at night.
post #595 of 3596
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Originally Posted by sat9090 View Post

I did pulled the trigger on 8600 after 2 weeks of 7600 usage.paid $1391 including taxes on 7600 while paid $33 more for $8600. Dual core,skype enabled and voice control remote just few differences..but majorly went becoz for $33 buck got dual core n skyp..it was no brainier call )

Best of luck with your new purchase. Would be great to hear the opinion of someone with first hand experience of both models.

All the complaints about the new tv types both plasma and led/lcd are very discouraging and confusing. Last TV was a 1994 Toshiba 34" CRT. A gross beast it was, but it worked perfectly for more than 17 years. Such performance does not seem likely with the current Models.
post #596 of 3596
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Originally Posted by drhifive View Post

Such performance does not seem likely with the current Models.

Things aren't made to last any more mate, in fact some things aren't even made to work the way they're intended. Such a drastic change since then.
post #597 of 3596
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Originally Posted by SmoothMJJ View Post

Nope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzQl...1&feature=plcp

Recorded by StickyWinkey at AVForums from his 9600. It looks like utter garbage for the price.

It sure does... wonder if it's something that can corrected by a software update though.
post #598 of 3596
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Originally Posted by drhifive View Post

Best of luck with your new purchase. Would be great to hear the opinion of someone with first hand experience of both models.

All the complaints about the new tv types both plasma and led/lcd are very discouraging and confusing. Last TV was a 1994 Toshiba 34" CRT. A gross beast it was, but it worked perfectly for more than 17 years. Such performance does not seem likely with the current Models.

In the same boat again have been using Sanyo till date never got a plasma or lcd. So sort of 1st into this technology. I agree sometimes it gets too confusing specially with LED dur to bleeding and so on.

Would be glad to share exp about 8600 once i receive..Will post it soon.
post #599 of 3596
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post


My previous TV was a 50" Panasonic plasma, and this is my first big LCD/LED. I am liking the picture a lot better on the LG. I think one of the problems with the Plasma is that there's a lot of light in my TV room and I really couldn't tell what was going on in dark scenes. I don't have that problem with the LG.


I'm thinking about buying 55LM7600, but I'm afraid it's too glossy and it'll be acting like a mirror, making (especially) dark scenes unwatchable. Could any one comment on that? I'm little bit surprised it's OK even in the bright room...
Till now I have mate 42'' so I don't have any experience with glossy screens...
post #600 of 3596
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Originally Posted by GustafGustaf View Post

I'm thinking about buying 55LM7600, but I'm afraid it's too glossy and it'll be acting like a mirror, making (especially) dark scenes unwatchable. Could any one comment on that? I'm little bit surprised it's OK even in the bright room...
Till now I have mate 42'' so I don't have any experience with glossy screens...

It's pretty glossy/reflective, pretty much the same as my old plasma, so I'm used to it. Not sure yet if it's going to bother me in the long run. Dark scenes are still watchable, but you definitely don't want the screen facing a window or other light source during the day.

BTW, I did notice some minor flashlighting in the upper left corner last night in dark scenes (and with black bars) while watching in the dark. I forgot to play around with local dimming though to see if that had any effect.
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