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post #121 of 997
Here's some info on driver burn in.
http://www.gr-research.com/burnin.htm
post #122 of 997
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Originally Posted by cookieattk View Post

sorry this is not true they measure the same @ 1hour as they do at 100 and 200 i have tried this.

And you have measured Magnepans?
post #123 of 997
The incredible overuse of phrases like "the difference was night and day" or "the difference was not subtle"
post #124 of 997
"Lightly used in a smoke free environment". "Selling only because I'm downsizing."
post #125 of 997
That 4 ohm speakers are evil.
post #126 of 997
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Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

Nice replies coming from forum members that must have the best of everything. You never had a learning curve. Some of the so called experts on here also recommend Behringer amps but on the world of live sound we would never use them. To each his own. We do not criticize you guys on what you have. We do not make comments on how much you spend or what you use. Sorry my post count is low and I do not have a clue. That is what I thought this forum was for to get help. Sorry I was wrong.

Sorry I did not spend thousands but found something I enjoy and sounds good to me.

WTF? Someone feel targeted? And who is we?
post #127 of 997
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Agree with Bill. I have seen enough Kipple test results that show that a driver does indeed loosen up and usually extend lower. Some more so than others.

I agree with that also.. I got new mirage OMD 15's and I did notice the bass get better,but that's it and even after 100 hours I couldn't tell anything else changed.. I"m sending them back,I just got some def tech 8060st's.. A rep from def tech that comes on the forums said you only need about 10 hours of break in.. That sounds more realistic to me.
post #128 of 997
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Agree with Bill. I have seen enough Kipple test results that show that a driver does indeed loosen up and usually extend lower. Some more so than others.

I agree completely with breaking in.
As a mechanical engineer, I know that the suspension takes time to loosen up and settle down for the final and actual performance numbers.
For folks who are not pushing it, it will take longer for the mechanical suspension to loosen up, or they may never if they never supply it with enough low range frequency signals to make it move through it's total suspension travel.
post #129 of 997
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I agree with that also.. I got new mirage OMD 15's and I did notice the bass get better,but that's it and even after 100 hours I couldn't tell anything else changed.. I"m sending them back,I just got some def tech 8060st's.. A rep from def tech that comes on the forums said you only need about 10 hours of break in.. That sounds more realistic to me.

+1. I broke my CLR2002 by supplying it full range frequency at -25db watching Inception and Rise of the planet of the Apes. Big change in how the low and mid handled before and after playing the movies.
post #130 of 997
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Originally Posted by Rijax View Post

I wish we could record them with today's technology. If you are actually 19, you, once again, have earned my sincere respect for your mature viewpoint.

I am not 19, but I will definitely vouch for the new generation. They are as good as they can get. I work with a selected population of high achievers and therefore my opinion is or may not be for real.
post #131 of 997
differences in cables over $10

power cords are different
post #132 of 997
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Originally Posted by Twylight View Post


power cords are different

Only if you cryo treat them!
post #133 of 997
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

I agree completely with breaking in.
As a mechanical engineer, I know that the suspension takes time to loosen up and settle down for the final and actual performance numbers.
For folks who are not pushing it, it will take longer for the mechanical suspension to loosen up, or they may never if they never supply it with enough low range frequency signals to make it move through it's total suspension travel.

I didn't think there was so much controversy over mechanical break in of speakers. Where much of the nonsense seems to be is with regard to "break in" of electronics. Electronic components do not need hours or months of break in, nor is their sound going to "open up" or change audibly unless they're broken.
post #134 of 997
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

"Lightly used in a smoke free environment". "Selling only because I'm downsizing."

That is funny, because you see that a lot. I once saw a guy on audiogon state that he was selling his speakers to pay for his fathers cancer treatment. I really hope that was true, because if not that is kinda bringing bad karma on yourself if you are lying.
post #135 of 997
How about this one, which is more prominent on other forums than this one: It's the whole attitude of "If you don't listen to me you're just stupid and wrong." They don't usually come right out and say it, but it gets implied a lot. For a hobby based so much on opinions and subjectivity, I see this sort of thing happen too often.
post #136 of 997
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Originally Posted by Will2007 View Post

I didn't think there was so much controversy over mechanical break in of speakers. Where much of the nonsense seems to be is with regard to "break in" of electronics. Electronic components do not need hours or months of break in, nor is their sound going to "open up" or change audibly unless they're broken.

I missed that one. Breaking in the electronics? Guess I never looked for that because I know that is impossible.

What next?
post #137 of 997
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Only if you cryo treat them!

I prefer to get cryo treated before I listen! It makes a substantial difference in sound quality!

Sometimes things will sound a little WARM though! :P
post #138 of 997
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

I missed that one. Breaking in the electronics? Guess I never looked for that because I know that is impossible.

What next?

Where snake oil is concerned breaking in electronics is one of the less obvious scams, especially when stuff like this actually gets sold:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html
post #139 of 997
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Where snake oil is concerned breaking in electronics is one of the less obvious scams, especially when stuff like this actually gets sold:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html

Yipes. Wonder if anyone really buys that stuff.
post #140 of 997
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Where snake oil is concerned breaking in electronics is one of the less obvious scams, especially when stuff like this actually gets sold:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html

Did they really just tell me to place bowls of water in my listening room?? How about urine? Does urine help improve my room? It would surprise me! I've been leaving bowls of urine in my room for years now and my system sounds amazing!
post #141 of 997
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

How about this one, which is more prominent on other forums than this one: It's the whole attitude of "If you don't listen to me you're just stupid and wrong." They don't usually come right out and say it, but it gets implied a lot. For a hobby based so much on opinions and subjectivity, I see this sort of thing happen too often.

I'm not listening to you because I'm stupid and wrong. I mean your stupid and wrong. Well, one of us is stupid and wrong so we shouldn't be listening to each other. I'm not coming right out and saying it, I'm just sayin'....
post #142 of 997
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Where snake oil is concerned breaking in electronics is one of the less obvious scams, especially when stuff like this actually gets sold:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html







post #143 of 997
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post







Wow! I can't believe I just saw that.
post #144 of 997
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Where snake oil is concerned breaking in electronics is one of the less obvious scams, especially when stuff like this actually gets sold:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html

Personally I think the guy who sells that stuff is not serious - he's making fun of how some fools will buy anything. However, I also think since there are indeed such fools, he is not adverse to helping them part with their money. If they are dumb enough to buy it, he's smart enough to sell it. And the thing is, the buyers will believe there is an improvement so what has it cost him? In the case of those pebbles, nothing since he probably found them near his house. The other stuff can't cost more than a few pennies. He's got a higher profit margin than Bose or Monster.
post #145 of 997
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Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

Personally I think the guy who sells that stuff is not serious - he's making fun of how some fools will buy anything. However, I also think since there are indeed such fools, he is not adverse to helping them part with their money.

True. But the same can be said for the cable mountebanks, power conditioner shysters and even those who sell $10k plus speakers. They know that their products serve no other purpose than to separate the uninformed from their money, but as long as someone's going to cash in that it might as well be them.
post #146 of 997
I hate people giving advise when they are an idiot to begin with. It's impossible to compare anything unless you done a A/B test, in the same room with everything exactly the same. This is never done and anyone telling you a marantz sounds "night and day different" that a denon etc, is a complete dumbass.
Also the audio review sector is such a pile of crap it's amazing.

burn-in, bi-amping, wires, power cables etc, are the cancer of the audio industry IMO.
post #147 of 997
Here's another..Audioholics provides unbiased reviews.

This is the company that gave the Sherbourn PA-350 the product of the year award without even testing it. Audioholics claims the schematics of the amp and their ability to read the amps schematics is enough to justify the award.

Interestingly Sherbourn was acquired by Emotiva the company Audioholics runs ads and sells products for.

That one makes me sick and is right in the sweet spot of Mark Shiftiness.
post #148 of 997
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post







All it's missing is some pixie dust.
post #149 of 997
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I hate people giving advise when they are an idiot to begin with. It's impossible to compare anything unless you done a A/B test, in the same room with everything exactly the same.

If this were really true I submit that none of us would own anything, because it's equally impossible to compare everything A/B. While your quirk has merit, it's not entirely accurate.

I will agree with the idiot thing though.
post #150 of 997
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I hate people giving advise when they are an idiot to begin with. It's impossible to compare anything unless you done a A/B test, in the same room with everything exactly the same. This is never done and anyone telling you a marantz sounds "night and day different" that a denon etc, is a complete dumbass.
Also the audio review sector is such a pile of crap it's amazing.

burn-in, bi-amping, wires, power cables etc, are the cancer of the audio industry IMO.

to your point, a higher priced and a better speaker in one sort of room setup may sound poorer than a cheaper speaker in another type of room setup.
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