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post #151 of 997
3/15/12 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I hate people giving advise when they are an idiot to begin with.........................

I saw this in someone's sig.

...........Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level where they can quickly beat you with experience..................

Ever notice when one idiot gets in trouble a swarm of idiots suddenly appear to defend the first one ????
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post #152 of 997
3/15/12 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Here's another..Audioholics provides unbiased reviews.

This is the company that gave the Sherbourn PA-350 the product of the year award without even testing it. Audioholics claims the schematics of the amp and their ability to read the amps schematics is enough to justify the award.

Interestingly Sherbourn was acquired by Emotiva the company Audioholics runs ads and sells products for.

That one makes me sick and is right in the sweet spot of Mark Shiftiness.

To be fair Audioholics themselves have said "we are not unbiased. Everyone is bias." Paraphrasing but you get the idea. I can link if you'd like. I personally don't trust any reviews! I trust measurements and listening!

Say what you will about their reviews...they have excellent articles about dispelling myths! Considering that is what this thread is about, as far as that portion of the magazine is concerned, we should all thank them!

But hell, what do I know? I'm bias!
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post #153 of 997
3/15/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post


I saw this in someone's sig.

...........Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level where they can quickly beat you with experience..................

That is amazing!!
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post #154 of 997
3/15/12 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post


I'm not listening to you because I'm stupid and wrong. I mean your stupid and wrong. Well, one of us is stupid and wrong so we shouldn't be listening to each other. I'm not coming right out and saying it, I'm just sayin'....

Lol - well played sir.
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post #155 of 997
3/15/12 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

If this were really true I submit that none of us would own anything, because it's equally impossible to compare everything A/B. While your quirk has merit, it's not entirely accurate.

I will agree with the idiot thing though.

Have you ever A/B tested anything? I'm saying that you can't give a opinion unless you've heard both at the same time in the same setting, otherwise so many factors come into play it makes it moot. By all means you can state you love what you have etc, but there are SOOOOOO many people telling others to buy this or that based on "hearing" it at some store, or for a few minutes at a friends house etc. That's not fair to the person asking for advise, when all they are getting is a bias answer comparing 2 products that weren't even close to the same situation.
Theres nothing wrong with loving different gear but it's bad cheese giving someone "advise" when they don't even have proper experience with that product. Unless they state that they don't in the first place, then IMO it's all good.
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post #156 of 997
3/15/12 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

to your point, a higher priced and a better speaker in one sort of room setup may sound poorer than a cheaper speaker in another type of room setup.

That is 100% true, without a doubt!
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post #157 of 997
3/15/12 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

I saw this in someone's sig.

...........Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level where they can quickly beat you with experience..................

Ever notice when one idiot gets in trouble a swarm of idiots suddenly appear to defend the first one ????

LOL it's like an idiot sh$% storm!
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post #158 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

Nice replies coming from forum members that must have the best of everything. You never had a learning curve. Some of the so called experts on here also recommend Behringer amps but on the world of live sound we would never use them. To each his own. We do not criticize you guys on what you have. We do not make comments on how much you spend or what you use. Sorry my post count is low and I do not have a clue. That is what I thought this forum was for to get help. Sorry I was wrong.

Sorry I did not spend thousands but found something I enjoy and sounds good to me.

Passive aggressive whiners.
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post #159 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post


Passive aggressive whiners.

I wouldn't be too hard on him!

I will say this: I have absolutely no idea why he was angry. I asked and never got a response. Nothing that was said then, or even now, has been offensive IMHO!

With that behind us, I have a small question about the "Small subwoofers move faster and have tighter bass" myth: Does a small woofer actually move faster than a large woofer?
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post #160 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I wouldn't be too hard on him!

I will say this: I have absolutely no idea why he was angry. I asked and never got a response. Nothing that had been said then, or even now, has been offensive IMHO!

With that behind us, I have a small question about the "Small subwoofers move faster and have tighter bass" myth: Does a small woofer actually move faster than a large woofer?

nope, size has nothing to do with it. you can get just as accurate bass from a 21" than you can with an 8". Providing they have a properly designed box and the required amount of power. I've always loved this myth also. I'll have people over at my place and they are always amazed on how "tight" my 2x 21" mal-x's sound.
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post #161 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post


nope, size has nothing to do with it. you can get just as accurate bass from a 21" than you can with an 8". Providing they have a properly designed box and the required amount of power. I've always loved this myth also. I'll have people over at my place and they are always amazed on how "tight" my 2x 21" mal-x's sound.

I have a 15" jBL M15GTI MKII waiting for a box myself! It's a sweet sub!

If i'm not mistaken, a 15" sub and an 8" sub playing at 20hz move at the same speed. Is this correct?
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post #162 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:40pm
This probably applies to car stereo more than home. People who think lots of bass in a system makes it sound good.
People who put big subwoofers and amps in their car that make it rattle like crazy, and then they think it sounds fantastic.
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post #163 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Jeffer65 View Post

This probably applies to car stereo more than home. People who think lots of bass in a system makes it sound good.
People who put big subwoofers and amps in their car that make it rattle like crazy, and then they think it sounds fantastic.

I HATE when people drive buy with loud subs! It is ALWAYS distorted.
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post #164 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:51pm
I hate the fact that I have a very limited number of speakers brands to choose from because the speaker companies refuse to use online resellers and I don't have anywhere close that sells any or the speakers.c
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post #165 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:57pm
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I hate that companies don't put prices on their sites. I know its hard to own an AV shop in these times. Really hard! But if you want to charge me more than the Suggested retail price and you need the speaker companies to hide price for you I don't particularly want to buy from you!
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post #166 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

Does a small woofer actually move faster than a large woofer?

The speed at which a cone moves depends on the voltage applied, not the cone size. Not that it matters, because the speed at which it moves isn't what you hear. The frequency is. And that also is unaffected by cone size.
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I HATE when people drive buy with loud subs! It is ALWAYS distorted.

You're not hearing just the subs. You're mainly hearing the panels of the car vibrating at their resonant frequency. And since that frequency doesn't change that's why from the outside you only hear what seems to be one note.
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post #167 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post


I have a 15" jBL M15GTI MKII waiting for a box myself! It's a sweet sub!

If i'm not mistaken, a 15" sub and an 8" sub playing at 20hz move at the same speed. Is this correct?

Yes. Regardless of driver size they are both moving at 20 cycles/sec.
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post #168 of 997
3/15/12 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Sorry. Don't have a link handy nor the time to go searching. You can call Magnepan though and ask them about it. I've owned many pairs of Mags over the years and have spent a lot of time on forums discussing Mags and have seen measurements so I know they are out there. I can personally attest to the bass difference after break in.

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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I see... Not exactly the objective proof I was looking for, but if you say you hear it then I am happy for you.

C'mon, man. Planar magnetics and e-stats are among the only audio components that you should expect to exhibit break-in if you understand even the most basic aspects of their construction and operation. If you don't believe him then at least exert the effort to educate yourself before implying he's hearing things.
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post #169 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

The speed at which a cone moves depends on the voltage applied, not the cone size.

Thank you very much!

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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

You're not hearing just the subs. You're mainly hearing the panels of the car vibrating at their resonant frequency. And since that frequency doesn't change that's why from the outside you only hear what seems to be one note.

Hmmmm. Thanks!
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post #170 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post


Yes. Regardless of driver size they are both moving at 20 cycles/sec.

Thank you!!
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post #171 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Have you ever A/B tested anything? I'm saying that you can't give a opinion unless you've heard both at the same time in the same setting, otherwise so many factors come into play it makes it moot. By all means you can state you love what you have etc, but there are SOOOOOO many people telling others to buy this or that based on "hearing" it at some store, or for a few minutes at a friends house etc. That's not fair to the person asking for advise, when all they are getting is a bias answer comparing 2 products that weren't even close to the same situation.
Theres nothing wrong with loving different gear but it's bad cheese giving someone "advise" when they don't even have proper experience with that product. Unless they state that they don't in the first place, then IMO it's all good.

Now you've gone and made your quirk a little more accurate.

Lets take a look at your original statement:

It's impossible to compare anything unless you done a A/B test, in the same room with everything exactly the same...

I stand by my original statement. It's a matter of semantics, and in my little A/B comparison regarding who understands this, you're a little behind.
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post #172 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

True. But the same can be said for the cable mountebanks, power conditioner shysters and even those who sell $10k plus speakers. They know that their products serve no other purpose than to separate the uninformed from their money, but as long as someone's going to cash in that it might as well be them.

But what is so profitable for the brilliant pebbles folks is their folly requires hardly any capital investment. It's just a bunch of junk that they either round up from outside somewhere or get in a Goodwill store. Granted they don't make as much per sale but then they don't have to pay for advertising, overhead, inventory, etc. These other shysters have a larger investment.

And they can all find some idiot to give a positive review for their products.
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post #173 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:34pm
you dont lose sound quality using banana plugs
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post #174 of 997
3/15/12 at 8:39pm
- that vinyl is superior to digital recordings.

- that any cable is worth $5000/6 ft.

- anyone who says they can hear "more air", "a veil being lifted", etc.
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post #175 of 997
3/15/12 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

The speed at which a cone moves depends on the voltage applied, not the cone size. Not that it matters, because the speed at which it moves isn't what you hear. The frequency is. And that also is unaffected by cone size.

What about excursion, does that change with the cone size? One myth I heard often, was that a small bookshelf can generate the same amount of LF as a big speaker. The woofer in the small bookshelf speaker just had to "work harder" (increase the excursion). Was there any truth somewhere in there?
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post #176 of 997
3/15/12 at 10:15pm
I'm really enjoying this thread.

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The whole breaking in speakers thing really irks me, I think it is a complete myth.

Granted I'm just getting into this hobby but I read a review on a DAC and one user posted that "it really opened up after about 600 hours." I'm about the furthest thing from an expert but I recognize bs when I read it.... Could it just be that this listener became accustomed to the sound?

Not a myth but still amusing (to me-apologies in advance):

I have thousands to spend. Please recommend the best speakers so I can listen to trance music. Don't get me wrong. I listen to a lot of electronic music but it doesn't really require the resolution that great speakers can provide IMHO.
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post #177 of 997
3/15/12 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

I'm really enjoying this thread.
Not a myth but still amusing (to me-apologies in advance)

I'm glad you have enjoyed the thread! I am throughly enjoying it myself!

Actually, one of the thing that really bothers me is the "Don't derail this thread" stuff.

I'm sorry, but if no one has commented in a thread for 2 days and I want to ask a question to some of the people I know who post in it, I don't see anything wrong with it. People get a little too serious about it IMHO! Structure is good..yes, but I shouldn't have to create a new thread every time I have a new thought! If that's where the conversation takes us...then so be it!! However, if we are off-topic and someone who is on-topic comes along, there question should take priority!
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post #178 of 997
3/16/12 at 2:57am
"I have a (receiver name here) for sale with 3 front speakers, 2 back speakers and a bass speaker for sale. It's got 10 000watts and it's very loud. I'm selling because I'm downsizing.

I paid $4700 for it 27 years ago. Asking $4500 firm.

My favorite kind of ads

cheers
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post #179 of 997
3/16/12 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by BarracudaDelGato View Post

What about excursion, does that change with the cone size? One myth I heard often, was that a small bookshelf can generate the same amount of LF as a big speaker. The woofer in the small bookshelf speaker just had to "work harder" (increase the excursion). Was there any truth somewhere in there?

It takes lots of excursion to make up for cone area and you have to factor in the excursion of the larger driver while you are factoring. Not to mention enclosure sizes. So while it's possible it's also a losing battle right from the start.
Driver.........Driver
Size...........Area
4...............13
6...............28
8...............50
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post #180 of 997
3/16/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Have you ever A/B tested anything? I'm saying that you can't give a opinion unless you've heard both at the same time in the same setting, otherwise so many factors come into play it makes it moot.

You're right. The problem is, it's not plausible for most people to audition most of what's out there in the exact same environment, or better yet in their own home. I'd love to hear some of the high dollar supposed best systems in the world in my own home, but it just isn't possible, at least not at the exact same time and within the proper time frame. Hearing said products at a local hi-fi shop or audio show will at least give you an idea of what to expect provided the room acoustics are in order. Also, hearing said product is better than not hearing it at all. Like I said, though, you're absolutely correct; I just wish it was an easier concept to implement/follow.
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