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post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

every other steel book I own is region B locked...
silent running, two lane black top, touch of evil.

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Originally Posted by ChrisToad View Post

Are any of those Warner Bros. produced BDs? I'm pretty sure WB does not region code their BD. I'm using technical data from DVDBeaver to validate that statement.

Those titles quoted above are from Eureka in the UK. They are required to lock those by the studio they're licensing them from.

As for Warner, yes, they don't region lock their BDs.
post #32 of 62
Watched this one last night. Missed it in the theaters but enjoyed the first one. Very worthy sequel, imo. Jared Harris is very good as Professor Moriarty and lends a sufficiently creepy aura to the character. The rather off-handed treatment of one of the characters from the last movie kind of put me off but it certainly doesn't hurt one's enjoyment of this flick. The casting of Noomi Rapace and her character's arc doesn't quite jell... hard to put my finger on why. Only other criticism was the movie could have been edited to a tighter, shorter running time. But all minor quibbles.

The blu-ray looks excellent but it's the soundtrack that I found really engaging. Nice use of surrounds. Be aware there is a *huge* jump in volume between the initial "Game Of Shadows" tablet app promo and the following BR3D promo when you first load the disc. I turned up my receiver because the Game Application promo seemed rather low in volume and when the following BD3D promo came on, I thought it could have easily damaged my front center speaker if I had the volume much higher.

Well worth checking out, and those who really enjoyed the movie in theaters can safely blind buy even though the few extras are rather skimpy.
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Watched this one last night. Missed it in the theaters but enjoyed the first one. Very worthy sequel, imo. Jared Harris is very good as Professor Moriarty and lends a sufficiently creepy aura to the character. The rather off-handed treatment of one of the characters from the last movie kind of put me off but it certainly doesn't hurt one's enjoyment of this flick. The casting of Noomi Rapace and her character's arc doesn't quite jell... hard to put my finger on why. Only other criticism was the movie could have been edited to a tighter, shorter running time. But all minor quibbles.

The blu-ray looks excellent but it's the soundtrack that I found really engaging. Nice use of surrounds. Be aware there is a *huge* jump in volume between the initial "Game Of Shadows" tablet app promo and the following BR3D promo when you first load the disc. I turned up my receiver because the Game Application promo seemed rather low in volume and when the following BD3D promo came on, I thought it could have easily damaged my front center speaker if I had the volume much higher.

Well worth checking out, and those who really enjoyed the movie in theaters can safely blind buy even though the few extras are rather skimpy.

Noomi had no part, they cast her and forgot to write the part she was criminally underused
post #34 of 62
Better than the first one, more action, slightly better PQ but the most interesting aspect was the sound quality.eek.gif
post #35 of 62
Which edition should I get? The Blu-Ray only (+ Ultraviolet + Maximum Movie Mode per the stickers on the wrapper) is $12.99, or $22.99 to get the same + DVD copy.

I can't tell from reading the cover if the Blu-Ray only is the same/complete Blu-Ray with all the same special features and app, etc., as the BD+DVD combo pack, and no one at the stores can tell, either. What makes it worse is the BD only is called the "movie only" version.

SO... I don't need to pay $10 more for a DVD I'll not watch. Can anyone confirm if this BD only

ISBN 078069399X
UPC 883929239573

is the same feature-full BD as the combo BD + DVD

ISBN 0780677218
UPC 883929191659

http://www.dvdsreleasedates.com/movies/5129/Sherlock-Holmes-A-Game-of-Shadows-2011.html
post #36 of 62
If anyone got the so-called "movie only " Blu-Ray, could you please post the special features that you know are on the BD so we can compare them to the special features, etc., on the Blu-Ray in the BD + DVD combo pack? Thanks!
post #37 of 62
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

If anyone got the so-called "movie only " Blu-Ray, could you please post the special features that you know are on the BD so we can compare them to the special features, etc., on the Blu-Ray in the BD + DVD combo pack? Thanks!

According to messages on other forums, the only thing missing from the "movie-only" version is the Maximum Movie Mode feature. The other special features are present on the "movie-only" version.

Interestingly, Warner Bros screwed up and put stickers on the "movie-only" version stating that the Maximum Movie Mode feature was included. It is NOT included, the sticker is an error.

Mark
post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

According to messages on other forums, the only thing missing from the "movie-only" version is the Maximum Movie Mode feature. The other special features are present on the "movie-only" version.
Interestingly, Warner Bros screwed up and put stickers on the "movie-only" version stating that the Maximum Movie Mode feature was included. It is NOT included, the sticker is an error.
Mark

Thanks!

If you are correct that the sticker is an error, then I will buy/keep the BD + DVD version. Do you know where online it's confirmed that the "movie only" version indeed does NOT have the maximum movie mode? Which forums? I saw a comment to that effect at Amazon, so I asked the person if he could confirm that the Max Movie Mode sticker on the movie-only edition is an error.

I called the Warner Bros shop customer service and since they only carry the BD+DVD combo pack, they couldn't tell me if the BD only edition has the Maximum Movie mode per the sticker. So I'm still waiting for confirmation.
Edited by eweiss - 6/13/12 at 6:43am
post #39 of 62
Just got this, cant wait to watch it. Loved teh first one and am a fan of Robert Downy.
post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

Thanks!
If you are correct that the sticker is an error, then I will buy/keep the BD + DVD version. Do you know where online it's confirmed that the "movie only" version indeed does NOT have the maximum movie mode? Which forums? I saw a comment to that effect at Amazon, so I asked the person if he could confirm that the Max Movie Mode sticker on the movie-only edition is an error.
I called the Warner Bros shop customer service and since they only carry the BD+DVD combo pack, they couldn't tell me if the BD only edition has the Maximum Movie mode per the sticker. So I'm still waiting for confirmation.

I've got the so-called "movie-only" version (no DVD in the package) and, despite the sticker on the front of the plastic wrap, I can't find the Maximum Movie Mode feature anywhere on the disc.

BTW, the picture and sound were EXCELLENT (I watched the movie yesterday). There's talk that the "movie-only" version is a BD25 and encoded at a lower bit-rate. That may or may not be true (it's not been confirmed one way or the other as far as I know) but I can certainly vouch for the image quality as being top-notch!

Mark
post #41 of 62
You only need to look yourself, at the number of circular barcodes on the data side, near the centre, to know if it's a BD-25 or 50.

Skills. I has them.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

I've got the so-called "movie-only" version (no DVD in the package) and, despite the sticker on the front of the plastic wrap, I can't find the Maximum Movie Mode feature anywhere on the disc.
BTW, the picture and sound were EXCELLENT (I watched the movie yesterday). There's talk that the "movie-only" version is a BD25 and encoded at a lower bit-rate. That may or may not be true (it's not been confirmed one way or the other as far as I know) but I can certainly vouch for the image quality as being top-notch!
Mark

Thanks! I already decided to get the Combo pack w/Maximum Movie Mode based on trusting that the sticker was incorrect, and it appears I was right. On the Pop-Up Menu if you click on Special Features (all the way to the right) the Maximum Movie Mode option comes up. So if you don't have that on your BD, then yours is indeed a "Movie Only" version.
post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

You only need to look yourself, at the number of circular barcodes on the data side, near the centre, to know if it's a BD-25 or 50.
Skills. I has them.

Thanks for the tip. I just checked and my $12.99 "movie-only" copy of A Game of Shadows has TWO circular barcodes on the data side of the disc.

Mark
post #44 of 62
Started watching this last night and the movie is excellent. However, I was shocked at how good the PQ and AQ are. The PQ is one of the best Warner has ever released, IMO.
post #45 of 62
Guys, what exactly is the maximum movie mode? I bought the movie only version.
post #46 of 62
Picked up both Sherlock Holmes Blu Rays for a nice $22 and change. Going with the SH double feature Sunday.
post #47 of 62
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Originally Posted by markmathers View Post

Guys, what exactly is the maximum movie mode? I bought the movie only version.

Per http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/55140/sherlock-holmesgame-of-shadows/

-Maximum Movie Mode - I nearly shat my pants when I realized the king of all Blu-ray supplements was going to appear on this release, especially since it was to be hosted by none other than Robert Downey Jr. himself. Maximum Movie Mode? Robert Downey Jr. standing between two screens while pausing and rewinding the film to dissect how everything went down behind-the-scenes? That's one hell of a draw, right? Well, unfortunately, this isn't the 'maximum movie mode' that everyone is hoping for - This is really more of a picture-in-picture commentary with Robert Downey Jr., and although it's perfectly adequate, I really don't like seeing such amazing features listed only to get half-assed versions of them on the final product. All in all though, basing this specific supplement on its own merits, it's an informational track for sure, and Robert Downey Jr. is about as charming and funny as you would expect him to be. Despite the fact this isn't THE maximum movie mode you were hoping for, it's still worth your time nonetheless.
post #48 of 62
I just go this disk in the mail yesterday... I've already watched it twice. love this movie, specially the sound
post #49 of 62
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

Per http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/55140/sherlock-holmesgame-of-shadows/
-Maximum Movie Mode - I nearly shat my pants when I realized the king of all Blu-ray supplements was going to appear on this release, especially since it was to be hosted by none other than Robert Downey Jr. himself. Maximum Movie Mode? Robert Downey Jr. standing between two screens while pausing and rewinding the film to dissect how everything went down behind-the-scenes? That's one hell of a draw, right? Well, unfortunately, this isn't the 'maximum movie mode' that everyone is hoping for - This is really more of a picture-in-picture commentary with Robert Downey Jr., and although it's perfectly adequate, I really don't like seeing such amazing features listed only to get half-assed versions of them on the final product. All in all though, basing this specific supplement on its own merits, it's an informational track for sure, and Robert Downey Jr. is about as charming and funny as you would expect him to be. Despite the fact this isn't THE maximum movie mode you were hoping for, it's still worth your time nonetheless.[/quote

Great description! Thanks sir for that!
post #50 of 62
Re: One-disc (Blu-ray only) version vs. two-disc (Blu-ray plus DVD) version...

Turns out the $12.99 one-disc version is missing more than just the MMM feature. It is apparently also missing four of the special features found on the two-disc version. The one-disc (so-called "movie only" version) has 3 bonus features. The two-disc version has 7 bonus features.

Also, according to one person over on Blu-ray.com, despite the fact that BOTH versions are using dual-layer Blu-ray discs for the main feature and bonus material, the "movie only" version is encoded at a lower bit-rate than the more full-featured version. He claims he was able to see the difference between the two during the forest scene in the movie.

Personally, I thought the image and sound on the "movie only" version was superlative. I didn't notice any noise or any other issues. But I have no reason to doubt his statements that the "movie only" version has a lower bit-rate encode.

Mark
post #51 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

Re: One-disc (Blu-ray only) version vs. two-disc (Blu-ray plus DVD) version...
Turns out the $12.99 one-disc version is missing more than just the MMM feature. It is apparently also missing four of the special features found on the two-disc version. The one-disc (so-called "movie only" version) has 3 bonus features. The two-disc version has 7 bonus features.
Also, according to one person over on Blu-ray.com, despite the fact that BOTH versions are using dual-layer Blu-ray discs for the main feature and bonus material, the "movie only" version is encoded at a lower bit-rate than the more full-featured version. He claims he was able to see the difference between the two during the forest scene in the movie.
Personally, I thought the image and sound on the "movie only" version was superlative. I didn't notice any noise or any other issues. But I have no reason to doubt his statements that the "movie only" version has a lower bit-rate encode.
Mark

Interesting... Although I have no desire to purchase the movie-only edition, somehow that reminds me of Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and its slightly higher bitrate on the Best Buy exclusive. I had both versions and was never able to see a difference. I'm confident it's the same with Sherlock, but I guess once our mind knows one disc is supposedly different, we tend to see the invisible... I'll get the combo edition tomorrow, can't wait to watch A Game Of Shadows again.
post #52 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

according to one person over on Blu-ray.com, despite the fact that BOTH versions are using dual-layer Blu-ray discs for the main feature and bonus material, the "movie only" version is encoded at a lower bit-rate than the more full-featured version.

Anyone else confirm this?????
post #53 of 62
dont worry about it... the movie only version is superb.
post #54 of 62
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Anyone else confirm this?????

No, nobody has confirmed it. In fact, I've just done the opposite:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=6061324#post6061324

JohnAV's claims that there is a difference in the encode bit-rates ($12.99 version vs. $22.99 version) just don't hold water.

My recommendation: Pick your version based on price, special features, and whether or not you want the DVD copy. The "facts" suggest that the actual video encode bit-rates are identical between the two versions.

Mark
post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

Re: One-disc (Blu-ray only) version vs. two-disc (Blu-ray plus DVD) version...
Turns out the $12.99 one-disc version is missing more than just the MMM feature. It is apparently also missing four of the special features found on the two-disc version. The one-disc (so-called "movie only" version) has 3 bonus features. The two-disc version has 7 bonus features.
Also, according to one person over on Blu-ray.com, despite the fact that BOTH versions are using dual-layer Blu-ray discs for the main feature and bonus material, the "movie only" version is encoded at a lower bit-rate than the more full-featured version. He claims he was able to see the difference between the two during the forest scene in the movie.
Personally, I thought the image and sound on the "movie only" version was superlative. I didn't notice any noise or any other issues. But I have no reason to doubt his statements that the "movie only" version has a lower bit-rate encode.
Mark

Just amazing or shocking. I read the following discussion that both version may have same picture quality. What I'm getting at is point to the days of Blu-ray when it was marketed as having a lot of storage to hold a lot of bonus materials. What this movie shows is if the bonus materials fit onto one disc with the movie, it's bad to let the cheaper 1-disc version to have all the bonus materials. So, the movie studio must cripple the 1-disc version down to be lack of most of the bonus materials. Since the 1-disc version has less bonus materials, why not increase the bitrate. But they cannot do it because the cheaper version could ended up have better picture quality. I understand this is just business practice, you must only get what you pay for. Why not drop the Digital Copy off the 1-disc and keep all the bonus materials? This supposed to be more logical because it doesn't need two version encodes. No, because including Digital Copy is free to the movie studio.

This also says, the hype of "upgrading" the Blu-ray players to support 200GB will help to store contents on a single disc is bad for movie business. The engineers always want to improve the technology with less cost and able to do more while the business users, ie. movie studios need to use the technology at its worst to ensure they can make more money by selling multiple editions.
post #56 of 62
So wait.. how many different versions are there? I bought the combo pack, so I guess it's technically a "2-disc" version, although the second is just the DVD copy. Extras don't really concern me, so I haven't looked into those yet.
post #57 of 62
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

So wait.. how many different versions are there? I bought the combo pack, so I guess it's technically a "2-disc" version, although the second is just the DVD copy. Extras don't really concern me, so I haven't looked into those yet.

There are only 2 versions, the combo Blu-ray/DVD/digital copy including *ALL* the extras, and the 1-disc version, Blu-ray only, with less extras.

I bought the combo.
post #58 of 62
That's what I thought.. hehe.
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by Vortex3D View Post

Why not drop the Digital Copy off the 1-disc and keep all the bonus materials?

The Ultraviolet digital copy isn't included on the disc, it's downloadable.


...for some reason, ultraviolet never makes it to Canada, here we always get the 'standard' digital copies that are included on the dvd (or sometimes downloadable as well)... I have no idea why and I'm feeling too lazy to google right now tongue.gif
post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

The Ultraviolet digital copy isn't included on the disc, it's downloadable.
...for some reason, ultraviolet never makes it to Canada, here we always get the 'standard' digital copies that are included on the dvd (or sometimes downloadable as well)... I have no idea why and I'm feeling too lazy to google right now tongue.gif

Disney is also not in bed with Ultraviolet. They still include the physical disc with older Digital Copy.

Anyone remember when Ultraviolet was first introduced, the Ultraviolet copy from the movies you bought only has limited time to be viewable on the online? After a while, you have to pay to keep your Ultraviolet movies.

What I hate about Digital Copy or Ultraviolet is you are forced to pay for a license even you don't plan to activate it. To Hollywood, it costs them nothing because there is no physical disc and if buyers don't activate the Ultraviolet, it's the buyers lost because they still have to pay for a license. If the limited time to view the Ultraviolet is still true, then the buyers has to pay extra fee to keep their movies around.

Is it a requirement in Canada to include the Digital Copy on a physical disc? I bought a few movies that came from Canada and never saw any that doesn't include a disc for the Digital Copy. I think it's the same for other countries like UK because a movie that I bought from UK has older Digital Copy but US edition has Ultraviolet.
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