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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I really need some help concerning speakers. Firstly, there are exactly 2 places in a 20 mile radius for me to audition speakers so that limits my choices. I've listened to B&W 684's and CM5's, and Paradigm Monitor 7's, Mini's & Atoms. The salesperson said the Paradigm 7's weren't broken in yet and they would smooth out after break in. To my ears the high end sounded too harsh. The B&W's were ok but I wasn't really in love with them. I wasn't in love with any of the speakers I listened to. I might have liked something more in between the 2. I'm also looking at bookshelves. I had a pair of Focal car speakers 5 years ago and loved them. I've never heard their non-auto speakers and nobody around here has them for me to listen to, the 706 or 806 or 714 or 716. I'm also interested in the BA VS or RS series bookshelves or towers, but again, nowhere for me to listen to them. I don't want to spend more than 3500.00 at the absolute most for the entire 5.1 speaker setup because I still need to buy a receiver. No amp for me so the receiver not only has to pair well with the speakers, but it has to have enough power to drive them. Perhaps something like the Integra 70.3 / Onkyo 3009 if it pairs well with whatever brands you guys recommend.

Priority is sound quality, music separation, looks. This will be for about 60% home theater / 40% music. My preference leans more toward mids and highs than it does bass, but that doesn't mean I want them to sound like nails on a chalkboard. Any suggestions, experiences, anything that would help would be greatly appreciated. By the way I live in Cherry Hill, NJ so if anyone knows of places I can go, feel free to suggest (I've already been to Hi Fi Sales and in my price range is the B&W's and Paradigm's I already mentioned).

Thanks for your help.
post #2 of 24
I've heard good things about the focals from people who owned them and I have personally auditioned them myself, but we're out of my price league. Since Paradigm raised their prices last year, those who were about to purchase the studio or signature series jumped to the focals because the price increase wasn't very substantial between the two anymore. These people are very happy with their purchase. I did not find their speakers to be the most attractive however.

Monitor 7s are very nice speakers, but because they are made in China and have some noticeable visual defects, people aren't to crazy about owning the monitor series like previous versions.

Take your time and it will all come together for you.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

I really need some help concerning speakers. Firstly, there are exactly 2 places in a 20 mile radius for me to audition speakers so that limits my choices. I've listened to B&W 684's and CM5's, and Paradigm Monitor 7's, Mini's & Atoms. The salesperson said the Paradigm 7's weren't broken in yet and they would smooth out after break in. To my ears the high end sounded too harsh. The B&W's were ok but I wasn't really in love with them. I wasn't in love with any of the speakers I listened to. I might have liked something more in between the 2. I'm also looking at bookshelves. I had a pair of Focal car speakers 5 years ago and loved them. I've never heard their non-auto speakers and nobody around here has them for me to listen to, the 706 or 806 or 714 or 716. I'm also interested in the BA VS or RS series bookshelves or towers, but again, nowhere for me to listen to them. I don't want to spend more than 3500.00 at the absolute most for the entire 5.1 speaker setup because I still need to buy a receiver. No amp for me so the receiver not only has to pair well with the speakers, but it has to have enough power to drive them. Perhaps something like the Integra 70.3 / Onkyo 3009 if it pairs well with whatever brands you guys recommend.

Priority is sound quality, music separation, looks. This will be for about 60% home theater / 40% music. My preference leans more toward mids and highs than it does bass, but that doesn't mean I want them to sound like nails on a chalkboard. Any suggestions, experiences, anything that would help would be greatly appreciated. By the way I live in Cherry Hill, NJ so if anyone knows of places I can go, feel free to suggest (I've already been to Hi Fi Sales and in my price range is the B&W's and Paradigm's I already mentioned).

Thanks for your help.

Although internet direct only, you can contact them and they will help you find a local owner will to offer an audition. Also, I believe Jim Salk offers an in home trial period on some of his speakers.

Salk (Jim Salk); http://www.salksound.com/

Philharmonic Audio (Dennis Murphy); http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/

Both offer excellent sounding speakers that offer much more bang for you buck. Also, both offer the best customer service you can get with absolutely no pressure to buy anything you don't need.

You can check out their threads here on AVS (Salk also has a their own forum on audiocircle.com).

Hope this helps. Happy hunting.
post #4 of 24
I would encourage you to read this post in the AVS subwoofer forum, do some reading, and seek a recommendation in the AVS subwoofer forum. Depending on your room size and other needs, a sub might consume a larger part of your budget than you anticipate.
post #5 of 24
The Boston VS is discontinued, and that would be my choice
to reccomend to you.

If you do not have luck with your auditions - then buy a pair of
Focal bookshelf speakers online, to do a in home trial period.
IF you like them, then you can buy a nice surround system with
some bookshelf speakers for the front channels, and can set up
a system like the 807V for l/r > 800V center > 706V, or 705V
for surrounds. They also have the SR 700V for surrounds.

This will leave you room to buy a nice sub.
One ID option
http://www.hsuresearch.com/
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

The Boston VS is discontinued, and that would be my choice
to reccomend to you.

If you do not have luck with your auditions - then buy a pair of
Focal bookshelf speakers online, to do a in home trial period.
IF you like them, then you can buy a nice surround system with
some bookshelf speakers for the front channels, and can set up
a system like the 807V for l/r > 800V center > 706V, or 705V
for surrounds. They also have the SR 700V for surrounds.

This will leave you room to buy a nice sub.
One ID option
http://www.hsuresearch.com/

My last sub was from eD and it was huge. I'd like to go a little smaller, at least as far as the enclosure goes. I'll be looking for a 10" and I refuse to pay more than 500-700.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
I forgot to mention that I live in an apartment and room size will never be larger than 18x18. Also I would very much like speakers that perform as well at low volumes as they do at high volumes, because I will be unable to listen to these at reference levels (but that doesn't mean I don't want them capable of sounding true at reference levels)
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

The Boston VS is discontinued, and that would be my choice
to reccomend to you.

If you do not have luck with your auditions - then buy a pair of
Focal bookshelf speakers online, to do a in home trial period.
IF you like them, then you can buy a nice surround system with
some bookshelf speakers for the front channels, and can set up
a system like the 807V for l/r > 800V center > 706V, or 705V
for surrounds. They also have the SR 700V for surrounds.

This will leave you room to buy a nice sub.
One ID option
http://www.hsuresearch.com/

WHY ARE THEY DISCONTINUED What are the VS being replaced with? Can't find them in the mahogany color and I won't be ready to buy until May at the earliest. I guess I can pray that some might still be around then and then settle for the black ones.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

WHY ARE THEY DISCONTINUED What are the VS being replaced with? Can't find them in the mahogany color and I won't be ready to buy until May at the earliest. I guess I can pray that some might still be around then and then settle for the black ones.

I guess the economy played a big part - and the main public likes the
mass market stuff.

D&M owns Boston and made that decision. They also shut Snell down.
D&M tends to not be loyal, to the high end speaker side. The Snell flavor
is still around in the Outlaw speakers. The VS series may pop up from time
to time, as a refurbish option on AC4L (www.ac4l.com) > Also, keep an eye
out on Ebay. The black does look real good, and the sound is real good.

Also the Boston E70, is a real good speaker.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...-Cherry/1.html
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

I guess the economy played a big part - and the main public likes the
mass market stuff.

D&M owns Boston and made that decision. They also shut Snell down.
D&M tends to not be loyal, to the high end speaker side. The Snell flavor
is still around in the Outlaw speakers. The VS series may pop up from time
to time, as a refurbish option on AC4L (www.ac4l.com) > Also, keep an eye
out on Ebay. The black does look real good, and the sound is real good.

Also the Boston E70, is a real good speaker.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...-Cherry/1.html

How are the RS series speakers? Or would the Focal be a better choice with regard to being a closer match to the VS series?
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

How are the RS series speakers? Or would the Focal be a better choice with regard to being a closer match to the VS series?

I have not listened to the RS speakers, and I am not drawn to them.
While I prefer the Boston VS and E series, the Focal is a real nice and
good sounding speaker system. I like their treble and midrange, and
their inverted dome tweeter is nice. They will reveal the good, bad and
the ugly in recordings. I am also a fan of Monitor Audio and KEF.
post #12 of 24
I own focal 826w, but they were 3k set. They are very dynamic. I also auditioned the s8's and i liked the focal better. as for the 700 series, I could not tell ya but i can't imagine that thier would be a big difference. Also check out REL subs, great for music! Go to the FOCAL thead and ask mike I think he bleeds focal. LOL Happy listening
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
Of much importance to me is how well the speakers perform at lower volumes. I don't want speakers that I have to listen to at ear splitting levels in order to hear how good they are. Any suggestions are appreciated and this will primarily be for home theater but some music as well.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

Of much importance to me is how well the speakers perform at lower volumes. I don't want speakers that I have to listen to at ear splitting levels in order to hear how good they are. Any suggestions are appreciated and this will primarily be for home theater but some music as well.

Focal does good at low volume.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post


focal does good at low volume.

+1
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

I forgot to mention that I live in an apartment and room size will never be larger than 18x18. Also I would very much like speakers that perform as well at low volumes as they do at high volumes, because I will be unable to listen to these at reference levels (but that doesn't mean I don't want them capable of sounding true at reference levels)

music separation, low volume clarity....i say check out the definitive technology towers or the CLR series.

I have a 7.2 system and I can enjoy movies without shaking the walls.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

music separation, low volume clarity....i say check out the definitive technology towers or the CLR series.

I have a 7.2 system and I can enjoy movies without shaking the walls.

What is the CLR series? Who makes them?
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Although internet direct only, you can contact them and they will help you find a local owner will to offer an audition. Also, I believe Jim Salk offers an in home trial period on some of his speakers.

Salk (Jim Salk); http://www.salksound.com/

Philharmonic Audio (Dennis Murphy); http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/

Both offer excellent sounding speakers that offer much more bang for you buck. Also, both offer the best customer service you can get with absolutely no pressure to buy anything you don't need.

You can check out their threads here on AVS (Salk also has a their own forum on audiocircle.com).

Hope this helps. Happy hunting.

and since he lives no more than 15 minutes from someone who could demo salks for him if asked (as long as some type of bona fides are presented), that might be an option for him...

mine are a bit higher up in the line than he is looking for price-wise, however, the sonic signature will be similar... if interested, the op should drop me a pm and we can see what we can set up...

since he mentioned "low volume", i'll note that one of the very first things i commented on in the salk owners thread was how good they were at low volumes...

i also had an opportunity to listen to some focals (not sure which model) recently at another members house... they sounded really good, and while i can't comment on them at low volume, i can't imagine they would suffer...
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

and since he lives no more than 15 minutes from someone who could demo salks for him if asked (as long as some type of bona fides are presented), that might be an option for him...

mine are a bit higher up in the line than he is looking for price-wise, however, the sonic signature will be similar... if interested, the op should drop me a pm and we can see what we can set up...

since he mentioned "low volume", i'll note that one of the very first things i commented on in the salk owners thread was how good they were at low volumes...

i also had an opportunity to listen to some focals (not sure which model) recently at another members house... they sounded really good, and while i can't comment on them at low volume, i can't imagine they would suffer...

The mains were Focal Profile 918's, with the Profile Center and Surrounds. It appears that Focal recently discontinued the Profile line, but they are still being sold and also can be found used, often at 50% below MSRP.

I find the SQ very good at low volume levels Would also be willing to demo, and the OP should definitely take the opportunity to listen to the Salks.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

and since he lives no more than 15 minutes from someone who could demo salks for him if asked (as long as some type of bona fides are presented), that might be an option for him...

mine are a bit higher up in the line than he is looking for price-wise, however, the sonic signature will be similar... If interested, the op should drop me a pm and we can see what we can set up...

Since he mentioned "low volume", i'll note that one of the very first things i commented on in the salk owners thread was how good they were at low volumes...

i also had an opportunity to listen to some focals (not sure which model) recently at another members house... They sounded really good, and while i can't comment on them at low volume, i can't imagine they would suffer...

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

....... The op should definitely take the opportunity to listen to the salks.

+1
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by sfeldman721 View Post

What is the CLR series? Who makes them?

I was referring to the definitive technology C/L/R speakers. I have 3 (clr2002) of them to make my front soundstage and they play wonderfully well at Low volumes, amazing sound separation and imaging. Right of the bat they feel a bit bright and low on bass, but after 20 hours of listening at -20 db, they are awesomely natural sounding and I listen to my HDTV programs at -35 and they are crystal clear.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Although internet direct only, you can contact them and they will help you find a local owner will to offer an audition. Also, I believe Jim Salk offers an in home trial period on some of his speakers.

Salk (Jim Salk); http://www.salksound.com/

Philharmonic Audio (Dennis Murphy); http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/

Both offer excellent sounding speakers that offer much more bang for you buck. Also, both offer the best customer service you can get with absolutely no pressure to buy anything you don't need.

You can check out their threads here on AVS (Salk also has a their own forum on audiocircle.com).

Hope this helps. Happy hunting.

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post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
Just want to thank everyone for the input. It is greatly appreciated. By all means keep it coming. Because there are very few retail showrooms that I can visit, I most likely will be depending very heavily on what everyone else has to say, not just about the speakers, but about what speakers to pair with what receivers.
post #24 of 24
^ @ receivers. I got my Def tech speakers hooked up to a Harmon Kardon AVR2600
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