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post #1741 of 1878
Awesome! thanks for the info!
post #1742 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

I'll be interested to hear how football looks on your W80. For me, sports look fantastic on the 750, when viewing on cable tv. I don't know if it's the 240hz refresh rate or the Clear motion sensor but I love it. Honestly, I think that's what this tv accelerates at.

I just came back from Best Buy and checked out your W80 tv. It does look really pretty on the display. The brights are bright (maybe the screen type) and the blacks are more black than the hx750. I did notice a slight bit of clouding but it's probably below the clouds of the hx750.

Anyways, football season is right around the corner.....

Yeah I'm excited to see.

The main thing that drove me nuts with the 750 (more than the reboots even) is the banding. Now, banding is unfortunately a byproduct of the Edge Lit LED technology but on the 2 750s I had it was so pronounced! I could see banding in still images! Panning scenes were just a nightmare for me.

The W80 has very minimal banding in a select portion of panning scenes in my experience thus far.
post #1743 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

Yeah I'm excited to see.

The main thing that drove me nuts with the 750 (more than the reboots even) is the banding. Now, banding is unfortunately a byproduct of the Edge Lit LED technology but on the 2 750s I had it was so pronounced! I could see banding in still images! Panning scenes were just a nightmare for me.

The W80 has very minimal banding in a select portion of panning scenes in my experience thus far.


Do you think sources influence the amount of banding? I swear it seems like some channels are affected worse than others are.
post #1744 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

Do you think sources influence the amount of banding? I swear it seems like some channels are affected worse than others are.

You may be onto something there. I have noticed what tends to be the case is not only source by source but also per channel/app/game in a given source. Banding is just one of those things... I would love to read more extensive research on it than what I've been able to find.
post #1745 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

Do you think sources influence the amount of banding? I swear it seems like some channels are affected worse than others are.

You may be onto something there. I have noticed what tends to be the case is not only source by source but also per channel/app/game in a given source. Banding is just one of those things... I would love to read more extensive research on it than what I've been able to find.


The old saying goes is that your HDTV is only as good as the signal it is receiving. If its getting crappy signals with crappy bandwith then things are going to pop up that isn't the fault of the tv. Not to mention the compression artifacts you get with Directv, Cable and over the air broadcasts.......which some are just junk! I think you get some of these things while gaming as well.
post #1746 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

You may be onto something there. I have noticed what tends to be the case is not only source by source but also per channel/app/game in a given source. Banding is just one of those things... I would love to read more extensive research on it than what I've been able to find.

Yeah me too.

What I've noticed is when the NBA playoffs began, they showed games on TNT. When the camera would follow one player up the court the crowd would look a bit box like. All of the background images would distort a bit with the fast panning. I guess that's a form of banding right? Anyways, I would always notice that was the case on TNT. But when they would show games on ABC, I would get none of that. It was basically flawless looking... to me at least.... and a couple friends came over to watch the finals and said the image looked great. That was this tv's high point for me so far. NBA finals on ABC. So maybe ABC has a better signal than TNT.
post #1747 of 1878
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

The old saying goes is that your HDTV is only as good as the signal it is receiving. If its getting crappy signals with crappy bandwith then things are going to pop up that isn't the fault of the tv. Not to mention the compression artifacts you get with Directv, Cable and over the air broadcasts.......which some are just junk! I think you get some of these things while gaming as well.

Really? I've had very good experiences gaming with this tv.

I wish Verizon was available to me. The only cable company I can get in my area is Time Warner. I'd be interested on hearing from someone who owns this tv and also receives Verizon Fios.
post #1748 of 1878
I switched to Impulse motion flow last night.

Has anyone else tried this?

I don't see anymore banding, and if you put advanced contrast on Low, then it pretty much takes care of the lights in the corners showing in dark scenes.

I recommend at least giving Impulse a try if banding is bothering you. I makes everything darker so I would Max the backlight option.
post #1749 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

I switched to Impulse motion flow last night.

Has anyone else tried this?

I don't see anymore banding, and if you put advanced contrast on Low, then it pretty much takes care of the lights in the corners showing in dark scenes.

I recommend at least giving Impulse a try if banding is bothering you. I makes everything darker so I would Max the backlight option.

IIRC whenever I implemented Impuse, it did some weird "flickering" effect on the screen that was very off putting to my eyes. I may have it mixed up with another Motionflow setting though...
post #1750 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

IIRC whenever I implemented Impuse, it did some weird "flickering" effect on the screen that was very off putting to my eyes. I may have it mixed up with another Motionflow setting though...


You could be right.... Or it could be that Impulse is much darker so your eyes didn't adjust immediately. Thats what I felt but I kept Impulse on and I don't notice it now.

Ever since you pointed out the banding issues I've been noticing it though. I watched the show 24 on Netflix and I noticed it a lot.


I paused a scene when it was noticeable and switched to Impulse and the banding was gone. Also the Black levels improved on the corners.


Right now, I have Impulse motion flow, Max BAcklight, and Max Gamma. I maxed gamma because everything gets darker when Impulse is on. I took Advanced Contrast off (had it on low) because it seems like the Audio and Visual are slightly out of synch when it's turned on sometimes. If anyone is frustrated with banding and the white lights in the corners, you should at least give it a shot. Now I keep impulse on unless I'm playing a video game or watching sports.
post #1751 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

IIRC whenever I implemented Impuse, it did some weird "flickering" effect on the screen that was very off putting to my eyes. I may have it mixed up with another Motionflow setting though...

Impulse does cause the screen to flicker, which is why I can't use it, backlight max or not. It makes my eyes sore.
post #1752 of 1878
Just confirming that this TV will not play 60p AVCHD videos from my Sony HX50 digital camera. frown.gif Is this correct? If so it's a disappointment that a new (ish) sony TV isn't even fully compatible with a new Sony camera. Great. It does however play videos taken at the next lower setting (60i, 24Mbps) normally.

Edit: Remembered to try playing them (over network) on my S590 Bluray player - it works! It doesn't seem to show as much picture info (exposure, etc) for stills as the TV does, however.
Edited by Beckler - 8/5/13 at 6:54pm
post #1753 of 1878
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Impulse does cause the screen to flicker, which is why I can't use it, backlight max or not. It makes my eyes sore.


Damn, that's too bad. I notice it if I switch off of it and then switch back to it, but after the initial flicker I don't notice anymore.
post #1754 of 1878
quick question what backlight setting do you use on a total dark room?
Do you change it everytime when you watch movies during daytime?
post #1755 of 1878
Hello. I just bought this TV on clearance and just ran into a weird problem with Netflix.

Here's my setup.
1. Cable box <- HDMI -> TV
2. TV <- TV Optical Out -> Soundbar (Vizio VSB200)
3. TV <- TV Headphone Jack -> Wireless headphones.

While watching TV, I get sound from the soundbar and from the headphones. While watching netflix, I get no sound from either one. The soundbar says it has detected a compressed format in the optical stream, but I would have at least expected the headphones to work since if I turn on the TV speakers, I get sound.

I tried to find the settings in Netflix, but it seems there are no settings, just settings for the individual movie. So under Audio and captions, I changed it from 5.1 to Stereo but still nothing.

Is there a setting I can change on the TV that will get the soundbar and headphone jack to work with Netflix?
post #1756 of 1878
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

quick question what backlight setting do you use on a total dark room?
Do you change it everytime when you watch movies during daytime?



For movies, I always have the backlight minimized because I find that helps with the black levels a lot. I've switched ambient light to ON in eco settings as well.
post #1757 of 1878
Has anyone with a HX750 set noticed that the backlight doesn't dim when using a Wii U? I've been trying to figure out what looked weird with the image for some time now and it just hit me tonight.

EDIT:

Turns out to have something to do with my receiver (Denon AVR-1913). When connected directly to the TV, it doesn't have this problem. There are no video processing options enabled on the receiver and it doesn't do this with any of the other dozens of devices I connect through it. Very weird.
Edited by goldenegg - 8/13/13 at 8:46pm
post #1758 of 1878
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Originally Posted by goldenegg View Post

Has anyone with a HX750 set noticed that the backlight doesn't dim when using a Wii U? I've been trying to figure out what looked weird with the image for some time now and it just hit me tonight.

EDIT:

Turns out to have something to do with my receiver (Denon AVR-1913). When connected directly to the TV, it doesn't have this problem. There are no video processing options enabled on the receiver and it doesn't do this with any of the other dozens of devices I connect through it. Very weird.

Hmm... you should still be able to dim the backlight though, regardless of input. I have my Wii U connected to a receiver which in turn passes the signal via HDMI to the TV and I was able to have all Picture Setting options available that any other input/device would.
post #1759 of 1878
I can dim the backlight manually. I'm talking about the automatic dimming, that adjusts the backlight based on the displayed image.
post #1760 of 1878
setting can update per input, make sure that isn't your issue and check everything when wii is selected
post #1761 of 1878
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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

setting can update per input, make sure that isn't your issue and check everything when wii is selected

I'm well aware of this.

I only use one input on my TV. It's being fed by my receiver and all devices are connected through the receiver. With the Wii U through the receiver, the image is brighter than it should be. Directly to the TV (same input and same settings), it's fine.

I found I can also reproduce the exact same behaviour with my PS3. With RGB range set to 'limited', the image is fine. If set to 'full', the image is too bright. Connecting the system directly to the TV resolves this issue. The bast screen to see the issue is when you hold the PS button to get the option to turn off the system. You'll see that the backlight hasn't dimmed as it should.

This makes me think that the receiver is only passing a limited RGB single and converting full RGB to limited. That would explain the Wii U problem. I wish I had another receiver to test with, to see if it's a Denon specific issue or a problem when the HX750 is being fed video from a receiver in general.
post #1762 of 1878
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Originally Posted by goldenegg View Post

I'm well aware of this.

I only use one input on my TV. It's being fed by my receiver and all devices are connected through the receiver. With the Wii U through the receiver, the image is brighter than it should be. Directly to the TV (same input and same settings), it's fine.

I found I can also reproduce the exact same behaviour with my PS3. With RGB range set to 'limited', the image is fine. If set to 'full', the image is too bright. Connecting the system directly to the TV resolves this issue. The bast screen to see the issue is when you hold the PS button to get the option to turn off the system. You'll see that the backlight hasn't dimmed as it should.

This makes me think that the receiver is only passing a limited RGB single and converting full RGB to limited. That would explain the Wii U problem. I wish I had another receiver to test with, to see if it's a Denon specific issue or a problem when the HX750 is being fed video from a receiver in general.

"This makes me think that the receiver is only passing a limited RGB single and converting full RGB to limited. That would explain the Wii U problem. "

Hmmm, it appears Wii U only has limited RGB for now... http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=555818

EDIT: Pretty cool link in testing RGB range: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
Edited by gatorboi352 - 8/14/13 at 5:47pm
post #1763 of 1878
So that makes the issue all the more confusing. I'll call Denon tomorrow to try and figure out what's going on. Bottom line is that I can show that 2 devices aren't having their video properly passed through the receiver.
post #1764 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

For movies, I always have the backlight minimized because I find that helps with the black levels a lot. I've switched ambient light to ON in eco settings as well.

Do you use Adv. Cont. Enh on Low as some suggest?
post #1765 of 1878
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

Do you use Adv. Cont. Enh on Low as some suggest?

No.

And other than Gamma, I don't touch anything on the Advanced Settings page anymore.

More is less should be a rule of thumb for this tv.
post #1766 of 1878
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

Do you use Adv. Cont. Enh on Low as some suggest?

I use it on medium. My living room is a cave, and anything that will darken the picture is welcome!
post #1767 of 1878
Yeah on Advance settings i only have ACE on Low. The rest is off.
I feels the better blacks counter any the other issues i can get by enabling
post #1768 of 1878
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

Yeah on Advance settings i only have ACE on Low. The rest is off.
I feels the better blacks counter any the other issues i can get by enabling


Booker, the thing with A C E is that it seems to mess with skin tones. It looks unnatural to me.

I've been tinkering with this tv's settings since I got it. But I haven't gone back since i switched the backlight off and lowered the gamma. I raise gamma when i watch sports and play games but for just watching tv or movies i like to have respectable balance of black levels and realistic color tones.
post #1769 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

I use it on medium. My living room is a cave, and anything that will darken the picture is welcome!

Catch any preseason games on you W80 yet Gator?
post #1770 of 1878
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Originally Posted by willie pastrano View Post

Catch any preseason games on you W80 yet Gator?

Yep! They look great! Football and basketball so far look outstanding (albeit they looked darn good on the 750 too!). However, just like with the 750 (and my moms 720 and my cousins ex650...etc etc) there is banding at play during certain scenes of baseball and soccer. Whats weird though, is that I didn't notice hardly any banding while watching golf, a sport with equal amounts of solid green on the TV screen. Weird.
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