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post #841 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

I cant even seem to locate their 2013 models. Their online store still has up the 2012 models at a reduced price.

Here's a link that names the new Sony line up for 2013!

http://www.whathifi.com/blog/ces-2013-sony-tvs-the-complete-picture-sizes-prices-specs

They seem to actually be including glasses with this years models.
post #842 of 1878
W800 is the next year model of the HX750 (I am reluctant to say upgrade, since Sony has been downgrading their specs these last couple years).

Still a edge led with frame dimming only. Same 240hz panel. Noticeable change is that it is now passive 3d rather than active! This allows for ps3 simulview, but isn't that a downgrade?!

edit: To Danjen: 4 pairs of passive with the W800 (dirt cheap-ish), and 2 pairs of active with the W900.

edit2: for completeness, the HX850 is now the W900 (same edge led with local dimming), and the EX640 is the W650 (120Hz ed led panel, no mention of dimming or 3d).

edit3: Looks like W650 is 32" only. I guess a lot of EX640/45 owners with issues are gonna get an upgrade to W800 (HX750 equivalent) for any hardware swaps. Gotta assume that the R550 is replacing the BX450 and the EX440.
Edited by lucidream - 1/14/13 at 2:07pm
post #843 of 1878
I couldn't quite understand the change to passive 3d for the W800 models either! As you state passive 3D glasses are well cheap in comparison to active shutter.

It looks to me like Sony are trying to distant their models more so this year.
post #844 of 1878
One thing that they're doing is gutting the 32" ers to put them in a lower class. You have to marry the W650 with the W800, although downgraded, and marry the R400 with the R450/R550. 46" has also gone the way of the Dodo, only showing up in the W800 range (indicative of the 46EX640 range being eliminated later end of this year, and not introduced into the EX645).


It really seems apparent to me that EX640 is no more. We only really have:

W900 - previously HX850
W800 - previously HX750 / edit: EX640
R550 - previously EX440??? Can't be 640, since numbers always go up, not down.

oddities:

W650: 1080p 32" - spec not seen since EX520 when it was 60Hz
R400: 720p 32" - EX340?

edit: let's call a spade a spade, the HX750 has been eliminated, and the EX640/45 is now the W800. Only thing that makes sense. Rationale: EX640 and HX750 already shared the same ambiguous "frame dimming". No uprade path between EX640 and W800. And almost most noticeably, the lack of active 3D. The HX750 didn't lose active 3d, the EX640, just GAINED passive 3D.
Edited by lucidream - 1/14/13 at 2:32pm
post #845 of 1878
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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

W800 is the next year model of the HX750 (I am reluctant to say upgrade, since Sony has been downgrading their specs these last couple years).

Still a edge led with frame dimming only. Same 240hz panel. Noticeable change is that it is now passive 3d rather than active! This allows for ps3 simulview, but isn't that a downgrade?!

edit: To Danjen: 4 pairs of passive with the W800 (dirt cheap-ish), and 2 pairs of active with the W900.

edit2: for completeness, the HX850 is now the W900 (same edge led with local dimming), and the EX640 is the W650 (120Hz ed led panel, no mention of dimming or 3d).

edit3: Looks like W650 is 32" only. I guess a lot of EX640/45 owners with issues are gonna get an upgrade to W800 (HX750 equivalent) for any hardware swaps. Gotta assume that the R550 is replacing the BX450 and the EX440.

This is a down grade to me and makes no sense.



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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

One thing that they're doing is gutting the 32" ers to put them in a lower class. You have to marry the W650 with the W800, although downgraded, and marry the R400 with the R450/R550. 46" has also gone the way of the Dodo, only showing up in the W800 range (indicative of the 46EX640 range being eliminated later end of this year, and not introduced into the EX645).


It really seems apparent to me that EX640 is no more. We only really have:

W900 - previously HX850
W800 - previously HX750 / edit: EX640
R550 - previously EX440??? Can't be 640, since numbers always go up, not down.

oddities:

W650: 1080p 32" - spec not seen since EX520 when it was 60Hz
R400: 720p 32" - EX340?

edit: let's call a spade a spade, the HX750 has been eliminated, and the EX640/45 is now the W800. Only thing that makes sense. Rationale: EX640 and HX750 already shared the same ambiguous "frame dimming". No uprade path between EX640 and W800. And almost most noticeably, the lack of active 3D. The HX750 didn't lose active 3d, the EX640, just GAINED passive 3D.


I have no clue what the hell Sony is thinking or doing. Talk about confusion.
post #846 of 1878
Yesterday I bought the glasses model SSG-4100GB, and I could not run with the HX755. I saw some videos on Youtube of the lens when it turns on the light flashes green and red until it synchronized, then the light is solid green. This never happened, the light is always flashing green and red. I turned on the TV in 3D, even I check it works looking the IR light with my mobile camera, good trick wink.gif
Any suggestions, besides trying to sell the glasses on the Samsung forum??.

Regards,
post #847 of 1878
Yesterday I bought the glasses model SSG-4100GB, and I could not run with the HX755. I saw some videos on Youtube of the lens when it turns on the light flashes green and red until it synchronized, then the light is solid green. This never happened, the light is always flashing green and red. I turned on the TV in 3D, even I check it works looking the IR light with my mobile camera, good trick wink.gif
Any suggestions, besides trying to sell the glasses on the Samsung forum??.

Regards,
post #848 of 1878
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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

One thing that they're doing is gutting the 32" ers to put them in a lower class. You have to marry the W650 with the W800, although downgraded, and marry the R400 with the R450/R550. 46" has also gone the way of the Dodo, only showing up in the W800 range (indicative of the 46EX640 range being eliminated later end of this year, and not introduced into the EX645).


It really seems apparent to me that EX640 is no more. We only really have:

W900 - previously HX850
W800 - previously HX750 / edit: EX640
R550 - previously EX440??? Can't be 640, since numbers always go up, not down.

oddities:

W650: 1080p 32" - spec not seen since EX520 when it was 60Hz
R400: 720p 32" - EX340?

edit: let's call a spade a spade, the HX750 has been eliminated, and the EX640/45 is now the W800. Only thing that makes sense. Rationale: EX640 and HX750 already shared the same ambiguous "frame dimming". No uprade path between EX640 and W800. And almost most noticeably, the lack of active 3D. The HX750 didn't lose active 3d, the EX640, just GAINED passive 3D.

Crap... maybe I don't want to wait for 2013 models to go out before I report my random reboots after all! Better get a 3rd 750 while I still can!
post #849 of 1878
Honestly, we SHOULD be able to make the warranty argument that active 3D cannot be replaced by passive 3D, but in my experience Sony bases it entirely on number linearity. I was in a situation of warranty replacement of an EX520 which had onscreen-guide, x-reality engine, and wifi-direct and they would hear nothing of it when trying to replace with an EX640 that had all those features gutted. Two representatives went as far as saying "no sony tvs have guides anymore, that's been phased out".
post #850 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

Crap... maybe I don't want to wait for 2013 models to go out before I report my random reboots after all! Better get a 3rd 750 while I still can!

Honestly gator I would go for a 3rd HX750 and see if you have any luck. Dont like Sony's new 2013 HDTV lineup at all and the Passive 3D addition only seals the deal for me. I wasnt going to buy a new tv anyway but if I was it wouldnt be a Sony and that would be a first for me.

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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

Honestly, we SHOULD be able to make the warranty argument that active 3D cannot be replaced by passive 3D, but in my experience Sony bases it entirely on number linearity. I was in a situation of warranty replacement of an EX520 which had onscreen-guide, x-reality engine, and wifi-direct and they would hear nothing of it when trying to replace with an EX640 that had all those features gutted. Two representatives went as far as saying "no sony tvs have guides anymore, that's been phased out".

No Sony tv's have guides anymore? If thats the case then why does my HX750 have it? Obviously those representatives have no clue what their talking about. I agree with you people should be able to make an argument about the Active and Passive 3D thing but with the way Sony has changed course they may have trouble making a point. Very sad.
post #851 of 1878
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

I'm guessing you're running Media Center, "flickering on and off" is just plain intermittent "flickering", and the problem occurs only on 1080i channels. If all that is true, you are almost certainly experiencing the 29/59 bug, and the answer is to disable dynamic contrast in the video driver control panel.
I couldn't find dynamic contrast under the intel graphic settings . I messed a lil more with it today and it won't work on 1920x1080 it will only work on the lowest setting ( can't remember off top of the head ) , but what Im left with is a tiny square in the middle of my hx750 ?? Every other resolution the screen turns on , then off constantly , and there's a weird colored swirl kinda thing going on in the background . I'll try to post some pics or a short vid if I can soon .
post #852 of 1878
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Originally Posted by redrum801 View Post

I couldn't find dynamic contrast under the intel graphic settings . I messed a lil more with it today and it won't work on 1920x1080 it will only work on the lowest setting ( can't remember off top of the head ) , but what Im left with is a tiny square in the middle of my hx750 ?? Every other resolution the screen turns on , then off constantly , and there's a weird colored swirl kinda thing going on in the background . I'll try to post some pics or a short vid if I can soon .

That's not what I was talking about at all. You may have a hardware problem. If you have a DVD or BD player or anything else you can hook up to the TV, see if it works. If it does, for the PC, I'd try a different cable and port, make sure the correct driver is installed, and so forth. Basically start over from scratch, double-check everything, and set everything to defaults. If that doesn't solve it, and you have another video card you can try, that would be the next step for the PC. You are using HDMI, not VGA, right?
post #853 of 1878
Which should I get for my first hdtv the kdl46hx750 or the kdl40ex640? Would the 46" be too big when sitting 100" (8ft) away? Will the better video processor in the hx750 display standard def any better than the ex640? Also is the hx750 glossy or matte screen? Thanks!
post #854 of 1878
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Originally Posted by jbdog18 View Post

Which should I get for my first hdtv the kdl46hx750 or the kdl40ex640? Would the 46" be too big when sitting 100" (8ft) away? Will the better video processor in the hx750 display standard def any better than the ex640? Also is the hx750 glossy or matte screen? Thanks!

Which should I get for my first hdtv the kdl46hx750 or the kdl40ex640?
-IMO, the HX750.

Would the 46" be too big when sitting 100" (8ft) away?
-Not at all.

Will the better video processor in the hx750 display standard def any better than the ex640?
-I cannot personally verify this, however it has been said to make a subtle difference for the better.

Also is the hx750 glossy or matte screen?
-I would term it a semi-matte finish; not really glossy and not really a matte finish.
post #855 of 1878
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Originally Posted by redrum801 View Post


I couldn't find dynamic contrast under the intel graphic settings . I messed a lil more with it today and it won't work on 1920x1080 it will only work on the lowest setting ( can't remember off top of the head ) , but what Im left with is a tiny square in the middle of my hx750 ?? Every other resolution the screen turns on , then off constantly , and there's a weird colored swirl kinda thing going on in the background . I'll try to post some pics or a short vid if I can soon .

Sorry I'm coming in late and uninformed here, but if you're looking to connect your comp to your 750 via VGA AND it has Windows 7, follow these steps exactly http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Connect-to-a-projector and select "Projector Only" option on the far right; it should display on your Bravia flawlessly without flicker and in the ideal resolution.

If this isn't what you're trying to do, disregard smile.gif
post #856 of 1878
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Originally Posted by jbdog18 View Post

Which should I get for my first hdtv the kdl46hx750 or the kdl40ex640? Would the 46" be too big when sitting 100" (8ft) away? Will the better video processor in the hx750 display standard def any better than the ex640? Also is the hx750 glossy or matte screen? Thanks!


Should you get the HX750 or the HX640? My answer is get the HX750.

Would a 46inch be too big when sitting 100 ft away? No.

I cant speak for the HX640's processor but I do know the the HX750's processor makes SD material look very good.

Lastly does the HX750 have a matte screen or gloss screen? I am with gator on this and thats that its somewhere in between. Its a matte screen but it has more gloss then a normal matte screen does.

Overall if it were my choice it would be the HX750 because it offers more features and in my opinion its just a better all around tv, but in the end its up to you because its your money and your choice.
post #857 of 1878
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Originally Posted by gatorboi352 View Post

Sorry I'm coming in late and uninformed here, but if you're looking to connect your comp to your 750 via VGA AND it has Windows 7, follow these steps exactly http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Connect-to-a-projector and select "Projector Only" option on the far right; it should display on your Bravia flawlessly without flicker and in the ideal resolution.

If this isn't what you're trying to do, disregard smile.gif

+1 gator well said.

smile.gif
post #858 of 1878
has anyone tried to fix the corner edge light bleeding?

like unscrewing the screws in the back panel and tightening them not too tight or even taking the cover off and doing it on the LED module screws?

or anything else to that matter? let me know thanks!
post #859 of 1878
Won't standard def be worse on the hx750 because its bigger? Or at least the benefit negated because of it? If viewing in 4:3 do I have to worry about burn in on the sides? Thanks. I already have the ex640 but I'm not sure if I would like the hx750 better and if it would be better. Part of the problem is I'm getting analog cable to my hdtv straight from the wall thru a coaxial cable.
post #860 of 1878
upconverting is the game changer - have you ever watched SD played through the ps3? sony is really good at upconverting via digital processing...that's where the x-reality will play in vs the .. what is it, digital contrast enhancer? on the 640

@ jtown, I would never risk doing that unless I was outside warranty - you strip any screws and risk getting called out for it
post #861 of 1878
Cnets review says the ex640 has better picture quality than the hx750. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
post #862 of 1878
how do you watch sd through your ps3?
post #863 of 1878
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Originally Posted by jtown017 View Post

has anyone tried to fix the corner edge light bleeding?

like unscrewing the screws in the back panel and tightening them not too tight or even taking the cover off and doing it on the LED module screws?

or anything else to that matter? let me know thanks!


If I were you I wouldnt mess with the screw's because if you do it void's any warentee you may have.
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Originally Posted by jbdog18 View Post

Cnets review says the ex640 has better picture quality than the hx750. Can anyone confirm or deny this?


I wouldnt take what Cnet says as gospel when it comes to their review's. They have been known to be wrong and they were wrong when they said the EX640 has better PQ then the HX750. So I will deny it all the way!
post #864 of 1878
okay i wont.

any idea on how to help the corner edge bleeding then?
post #865 of 1878
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Originally Posted by jtown017 View Post

okay i wont.

any idea on how to help the corner edge bleeding then?


Have you tried turning down the backlight feature? Give that a try. If that dont work then take a rag and try and massage the area effected. If that dont work then I dont know what to tell you jtown. I hate it when I hear people having those issues not only with the HX750 but with other tv's as well because the tv's should be checked for these issues before they leave the factories. For as much as people pay for their tv's now days they should check them, its only right because if they did it would resolve these issues among other things. A bunch of B.S if you ask me and I can thank my lucky star's that I dont have any issues with my tv knock on wood. This is an issue because manufacturers are more worried about quantity then quality and 4K these days when what they should be worried about is making the customer happy because without us they wouldnt be crap!!!!! mad.gif Anyway let me know if any of the suggestions I gave work or not. Good luck.
post #866 of 1878
That was suppose to be 100" inches not feet.
post #867 of 1878
Is there enough of a difference in picture quality to warrant me to upgrade to the hx750 from the ex640? With analog/standard def from a coaxial cable (no box but I do get local stations in hd) and sitting 100 inches away? It wont be too big?
I already have the kdl40ex640 so is it worth it to pay $400 more for the kdl46hx750? Thanks!
post #868 of 1878
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

Have you tried turning down the backlight feature? Give that a try. If that dont work then take a rag and try and massage the area effected. If that dont work then I dont know what to tell you jtown. I hate it when I hear people having those issues not only with the HX750 but with other tv's as well because the tv's should be checked for these issues before they leave the factories. For as much as people pay for their tv's now days they should check them, its only right because if they did it would resolve these issues among other things. A bunch of B.S if you ask me and I can thank my lucky star's that I dont have any issues with my tv knock on wood. This is an issue because manufacturers are more worried about quantity then quality and 4K these days when what they should be worried about is making the customer happy because without us they wouldnt be crap!!!!! mad.gif Anyway let me know if any of the suggestions I gave work or not. Good luck.

I think the issue is that this is a high % occurrence. Most likely the tvs are checked, and flashlighting is permitted within the qc thresholds. It's probably more cost effective to simply replace flashligting sets to purchasers that complain (small percentage, but probably growing as consumers become more savvy), rather than filter out every flashlighting set that get noticed during qc.
post #869 of 1878
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Originally Posted by jbdog18 View Post

Is there enough of a difference in picture quality to warrant me to upgrade to the hx750 from the ex640? With analog/standard def from a coaxial cable (no box but I do get local stations in hd) and sitting 100 inches away? It wont be too big?
I already have the kdl40ex640 so is it worth it to pay $400 more for the kdl46hx750? Thanks!

I cant really say because I dont know anything about the EX640 except to say that the HX750 has a better video processor and its Dynamic LED Edge Lit unlike the EX640 which is only Edge Lit. Plus it has all of the bells and whistles you could ever want and need. The bottom line is if your EX640 makes you happy then thats all that matters.


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Originally Posted by lucidream View Post

I think the issue is that this is a high % occurrence. Most likely the tvs are checked, and flashlighting is permitted within the qc thresholds. It's probably more cost effective to simply replace flashligting sets to purchasers that complain (small percentage, but probably growing as consumers become more savvy), rather than filter out every flashlighting set that get noticed during qc.

I cant believe lucidream any company would let a tv out the door with flashlighting or light bleed but more then likely your right. Sad a company would do it but unfortunatly thats the way it is.
post #870 of 1878
Re: what has been discussed previously here, there is more chatting about firmware upgrade improving picture quality in the ex640 thread.
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