2012 Marantz Receiver Anticipation Thread - Page 2

Strange - when I asked on another thread why these AVR makers had so many redundant SKUs, I was told by "expert marketers" in the industry that of course they had to have price cutter models for the customers that would make purchase decisions based on a 25 buck difference. My suggestion that said customers were not worth serving by a major brand, as they were neither profitable nor loyal custoners was waved out of hand.

Good to know that numbers don't lie and classic marketing basics remain valid. You cannot take losses and hope to make it up on volume - the math ain't there.

Time for these guys to go back to creating value instead of destroying it. I really hope Marantz is going to do more than rebadge - otherwise they'll be gone shortly.

The number of models has more to do with too many sellers..
By having multiple models with different model #s but few internal changes, 1 seller like Best Buy pushes 1 version while 1 seller like Amazon pushes another..

This has been done for many years by the video display guys, Walmart/Sams will carry 1 Vizio model and CostCo another..
Only change maybe 1 more HDMI input and different model #..

Regarding the AVR discussion, yes it is classical Marketing 101. A seller like Best Buy tells Denon they need an AVR to sell for $249 to advertise...
Next...
Then once the customer is in the store they will step him up to the AVR for $349 to get 5W more per channel and 1 more HDMI input. The dilemma is that Best Buy only sells the AVR for $249..

Too many brands fall into their trap..

Just my $0.02...

M Code

Can you share any information on B&M sales vs. Internet? I find this stuff facinating. Not sure why though.

Thanks. Gene

BTW, I hope Marantz hangs in there as a stand-alone brand but it looks like at best it will be a Denon re-badge. Not that it's such a bad thing. Denon is a fine receiver. But Marantz has such a long history. Like everyone else I'm always looking for a deal. I just ordered a refurb 5005 (along with a 7006 and 4003). Guess that makes me part of the problem?

Thanks, initially I was shocked, but not now. I wonder what the 'Reference Series' line would fetch on the open market; if they would be willing to part with it.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/high-en...UR2999-na-11s1

Mention of the sr5007 due in July!

German vid with new Marantz models (SR7007, SR6007, SR5007) as well as some info on a new premium line network player (NA-11S1), integrated amp (PM-11S3) and cd-player (SA-11S3). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYgJXlRhnEg

Link to AV land which has the SR7007 on its site: http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/marantz...07/sr-7007.asp

Sorry Wintson, it looks from the video we have at least 1 more year of the robot face.

Hope this is wrong as it still lists the 7007 with only multieq xt.

I noticed that too. I was hoping it would show XT32 because that would mean the 3313 has it too. A lot of people on the Denon thread are saying it will but there is still nothing set in stone. Hopefully we will get some kind of confirmation soon as to what the 3313 and 7007 have.

avland.uk has posted a very short video on YouTube featuring just the SR7007. There are other short "first look" videos of other new Marantz products posted on avlanduk's channel.

Traditionally, the higher level 8nnn and 9nnn designations have indicated enhanced build quality in addition to enhanced features. One has to wonder why those designations haven't been used for multichannel AVRs and pre/pros in the past few years, although there have been some other devices released in that range. Something to look forward to in the next couple of years, perhaps?

Anyone know if the new models will feature simultaneous HDMI outputs?...This has been a deal killer for me with the Marantz line.

Has anyone seen the back of the 7007 receiver? The videos only show a portion. Curious to what else is there.

I was hoping that the new marantz would be able to drive 11.x and have balanced preouts for all channels....

No way you will get balanced preout on the SR7007. If you self identify as having splurged on an expensive external amp with balanced connections, Marantz segments you to the preamp (AV7xxxx) version - at a much higher price.

I saw a post recently from an AVS member regarding a rep hinting that D&M would be releasing 2 pre/pros...one in the fall (AV7007) and a few months later a
higher end model (AV8xxx?).





For sure the SR7007 (and the Denon AVR-3313) will feature simultaneous AND independent HDMI outs...zone 2 HDMI out
could be Blu-ray movie for kids while main
zone HDMI out is cable/sat...both at the same time.




Agreed, no balanced preouts on SR7007 but regarding price...the AV7005 was/is actually 100.00 less (MSRP) than the SR-7005. Will be interesting to see what the 2 new prepros will retail for...

Very interested in the new pre-pros.

me too, isn't now about the time we normally get the next model news? I don't see much.

The sr7007 may be something i will have to think long and hard about. I still have my sr8002 since it came out.Not sure if going to a new one would be considered an option/upgrade as of yet. Sr8002 still strong.

I disagree, I really like the look of the new ones. The ones you mentioned look like every other AVR out there...

The AV version isn't cheaper at 100 bucks less - it has no amps. So unless one considers the 7 channels of amplification in the SR to have a retail price of 100 bucks, then basically the AV is actualy more expensive - priced to capture profit from a buyer who is presumed is spending a lot elsewhere on a high end multichannel amp.

I would expect the newer AV processors won't be any less premium priced.

I'd agree the porthole needs to go - a premium product should have a bigger more useful LCD not a smaller one.

At the very least they could give them the larger display behind a flip down panel as on the 7005 receiver. That porthole is too dinky to be of any use save as a conversation piece, i.e., "How the heck do you adjust anything?"

You guys really use the screen that much? I rarely look at it. If I'm adjusting, it's thru the gui on the TV. I guess I'd actually have to try out the AVR to see if the little screen would bother me at all...

It's much less intrusive for example to quickly glance at the LCD and see what channels and input and output or is Audyssey engaged, than to click buttons. Also pointless to engage to receiver needlessly messing with the video signal when you have an expensive display that can do for itself better.

I don't use the video stuff thru the AVR either. I just don't mess with it that much at all, unless it's to change the sound output from stereo to surround and vice versa...

As I was paying attention to the german video, despite that they didn´t talk about power, as it showed the SR 7007 back, I could note that the SR 7007 states 660W against the 700W on the SR 7005.

Also the link in the AVLand with specs says "...DETAILS ARE TENTATIVE..." which I think is maybe pure guessing.

^^^I agree.

What's to be confused about? They've chosen to do some cost reduction in the power supply and perhaps changed their amp power measurement methodology to compensate. Unfortunately, that's a slippery slope.

yeah. It´s sad to see this kind of things on a so called "flagship AVR".

Maybe a future Pre-Pro combo will fix things up, though I wouldn´t expect anything that would put costs up, like a toroidal power unit, and a 140 wpc with all channels driven...

As I could see, even Denon revealed just its 3313 AVR and not the 4313 in the High End Show for 2012... things may stop right there in terms of power and go towards some other "refinements", such as 4k upscalling and pass through, three HDMI outputs and so on...

Heres some new info for the 2012's
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Ma...Receivers.shtm