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post #1381 of 4159
5/26/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

i have mine in the living room and it is nice and bright i don't think cnet knocked the brightness i just watched davids review i think you need to watch it again just go to your smart hub and you can watch it i just watched it on my un46d8000

CNET:

"The bad: Samsung charges too much for extra features that are largely unnecessary and poorly implemented. Its picture delivers slightly worse shadow detail and bright-room performance than some competitive plasmas, and its maximum light output is somewhat dim."

"It's also worth noting that the 60-inch E8000 couldn't get as bright as the 55-inch ST50, maxing out at 30 FL in Movie mode and making it unable to achieve our target of 40. Larger plasmas are generally dimmer, but even so I expected the E8000 to get brighter. Last year's 59-inch Samsungs had no trouble getting to 40 in Movie mode."

I'm not suggesting that it is actually dim. In fact, I think once my set has the proper settings dialed in (still breaking it in right now) I think it will be more than bright enough. But it does sound like CNET found it a bit dim compared to other sets.
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post #1382 of 4159
5/26/12 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Dstew419 View Post

Sorry for the ****** pic, but here's a screenshot of my 'dim' e8000... keep in mind, the brightness is set LOW due to me breaking it in before ChadB calibrates it.

now you people that are posting saying the e8000 is dim what are you comparing it to! mine is bright the blacks are black and the colors pop and look very natural. now if you watch the killing on amc i think they shot that series in the dark its dark even on my led.
so please explain because mine is not dim
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post #1383 of 4159
5/26/12 at 4:09pm
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm saying just the opposite - I don't think my set is dim at all. That was my point above - CNET says they found the set a bit dim, but I don't agree. I think it's plenty bright.
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post #1384 of 4159
5/26/12 at 4:13pm
I've noticed something odd while switching through my Cinemax channels during my break-in period. Sometimes, when I switch to another channel, the motion is extremely choppy, almost like stop-motion for several seconds - very stuttery - sometimes up to 10 or more seconds, before it finally becomes normal. It only happens randomly, and not always on the same Cinemax channels. Sometimes it will happen on 1 channel, but then when I leave and come back, it doesn't do it again. It's totally random it seems. But it happens fairly regularly. The motion is otherwise spectacular. But that first few seconds after tuning into a channel, sometimes it happens. My D7000 never did this even once, and neither did the ST50.

My provider is Verizon FIOS. Any idea what could be causing this? Has anybody else noticed? My girlfriend noticed it earlier today, and it's very noticeable when it happens.
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post #1385 of 4159
5/26/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm saying just the opposite - I don't think my set is dim at all. That was my point above - CNET says they found the set a bit dim, but I don't agree. I think it's plenty bright.

Exactly! I was being sarcastic ... It's not dim even at the setting I have it! If I max out the brightness the room lights up!!!!
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post #1386 of 4159
5/26/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Dstew419 View Post

Exactly! I was being sarcastic ... It's not dim even at the setting I have it! If I max out the brightness the room lights up!!!!

exactly mine is far from dim i think the cnet people were using meters that measures the color and brightness i know that with all this energy star rating manufacturers have reduced brightness to get them to use less energy. but if i am wrong please let me know
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post #1387 of 4159
5/26/12 at 7:03pm
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post #1388 of 4159
5/26/12 at 7:31pm
Well If I'm going to keep the PN60E7000 I guess I need to look into calibration, has anybody had their e7000/8000 calibrated yet and if so how did it turn out. I was thinking of going to Best Buy for Calibration, they say their calibrators are ISF certified but I'm wondering if that's the best way to go. So tell us what you experience has been with it and how did the results turn out, Where you satisfied? I have the Disney WOW disk and it did a pretty good job with my old Sony KDS-60A3000 and I'm thinking that the picture quality of the 60E7000 is so good right out of the box that a lot of extensive professional calibration may not be necessary but I'm not sure of this so please give me you experience regarding calibration of the PN**E7000/8000
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post #1389 of 4159
5/26/12 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by airman23 View Post

I was thinking of going to Best Buy for Calibration, they say their calibrators are ISF certified but I'm wondering if that's the best way to go.

I think you would be better off using your WOW disk along with posted settings than getting the anonymous boys at BB to calibrate your display.

If you want to find a professional calibrator with good references that is in your area or does tours to your area take a look at the links in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
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post #1390 of 4159
5/26/12 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by airman23 View Post

Well If I'm going to keep the PN60E7000 I guess I need to look into calibration, has anybody had their e7000/8000 calibrated yet and if so how did it turn out. I was thinking of going to Best Buy for Calibration, they say their calibrators are ISF certified but I'm wondering if that's the best way to go. So tell us what you experience has been with it and how did the results turn out, Where you satisfied? I have the Disney WOW disk and it did a pretty good job with my old Sony KDS-60A3000 and I'm thinking that the picture quality of the 60E7000 is so good right out of the box that a lot of extensive professional calibration may not be necessary but I'm not sure of this so please give me you experience regarding calibration of the PN**E7000/8000

I'm only speaking for what I've read from other comments here in the forums in the past regarding Best Buy calibrations, so please do not treat this as anything other than a personal opinion.

From what I've read here, BB does not take the time required to properly do a calibration. They may have certification, but their techs are only allowed a certain amount of time with each customer (a couple or few hours I recall being mentioned from some who have had it done). A proper calibration can take far longer, but because BB rushes the job, the calibration is only mediocre. From what I've read in the forums here it is advisable to get a proper calibration done from someone who is willing to spend the afternoon with you if required to do a proper job, rather than a rush job.

Again, I've not had any personal experience, so I'm just referring to what I've read from others in here who were less than happy with the end result of their BB calibration, and the service they received.

And I agree with htwaits - I'd just go get a WOW disc and use that before I spent good money on a BB job. I bet your self-calibration with a WOW disc would come pretty close, if not maybe even better, than what they would end up doing with your set. Either put the money towards a pro calibration by a well-known calibrator, or start with posted settings and pick a WOW disc and go from there.
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post #1391 of 4159
5/26/12 at 8:18pm
So it is bright enough for living room. How about reflections? Is it worse than panny plasma or glossy led? ask because my 51D555 is like a mirror.
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post #1392 of 4159
5/26/12 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm saying just the opposite - I don't think my set is dim at all. That was my point above - CNET says they found the set a bit dim, but I don't agree. I think it's plenty bright.

I think the Cnet reviews was talking about maximum light output, and only in Movie mode, which seems to be considerably dimmer than the other modes - for example, I found cell light 10 in standard mode about as bright as cell light 18 in movie mode.

I don't think anyone will find the TV not bright enough in a controlled lighting/night time environment in movie mode, if anything, the deeper blacks may improve the perceived contrast, and make the contrasted whites seem brighter (even if actual light output has decreased compared to older models).
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post #1393 of 4159
5/26/12 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by LastMinuteGoal View Post

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I don't think anyone will find the TV not bright enough in a controlled lighting/night time environment in movie mode, if anything, the deeper blacks may improve the perceived contrast, and make the contrasted whites seem brighter (even if actual light output has decreased compared to older models).

My concern is in a non light controlled envrionment. I understand the Panny's have gottten real good marks in this area but will the Samsung hold it's own? Or does it really only excel in controlled lighting?
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post #1394 of 4159
5/27/12 at 12:59am
Would anyone be able to comment if this plasma turns the screen off when theres 0 content showing? Like during shifting end credits on some movies. I saw the shootout and they made a remark on this, however i dont know if it was about the plasma or lcd model
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post #1395 of 4159
5/27/12 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

My concern is in a non light controlled envrionment. I understand the Panny's have gottten real good marks in this area but will the Samsung hold it's own? Or does it really only excel in controlled lighting?

In Movie mode, it will probably be a bit dim (although I found it alright, but the room is not that particularly bright during the day anyway). Moving up to Standard should provide a brighter picture.

Even the Cnet review only noted a "slightly worse" bright room performance, so I doubt the difference is day and night (pun semi-intended).
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post #1396 of 4159
5/27/12 at 4:15am
What happened here, we're all abuzz with buzzing again??? Well, for those that haven't blocked me , let me contribute what I've gleaned from AVS and many years of studying engineering...

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Originally Posted by airman23 View Post

Whether the technician who came to my house was "giving me the company line" or not I just don't know. The Van that he came in had the SAMSUNG logo on it, He wore a jacket that had the SAMSUNG logo on it, I could only conclude that he must have something to do with SAMSUNG and he spoke english with a Korean accent. I guess I would need a 4 year undergraduate degree in electrical engineering to really know whether or not this SAMSUNG technician was telling me the truth or not. By the way, if there are any electrical engineers out there who are familiar with plasma television's viewing this thread, PLEASE help us understand this issue regarding the buzzing in the Samsung D/E 7000/8000

You don't need a to be an EE to understand that this is based on the tendency of certain high power components to produce a mechanically induced noise (meaning it has nothing to do with your AV system's connections). Now, not every one of these components will buzz (probably because they're made as cheaply as possible), but there may be a large fraction that will, depending on the manufacturing tolerances (which get looser when you're trying to make money). What I can gaurantee you is that not every panel will be audible - I've seen this first hand in the D series. The never ending push for low profile panels is probably at the root of the problem - they need to pack everything into a smaller box and there are tradeoffs.

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The one who sais people over 30 dont hear well is ********. Im 33 and my hearing is tested and its top notch. I have tinnitus too and i hear buzz from my 51D555, it never bothers me so im not too worried about e-series. Prolly going to get 64E8000

Aww, another of the reading challenged. Let me make it easier for you - what we said was, statistically speaking, if you are 30 or older then there is a greater chance of having sufficient hearing loss. The fact remains, a person of any age could hear it. This is based on many things in addition to age, including occupation and genetics.
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post #1397 of 4159
5/27/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I'm only speaking for what I've read from other comments here in the forums in the past regarding Best Buy calibrations, so please do not treat this as anything other than a personal opinion...
And I agree with htwaits - I'd just go get a WOW disc and use that before I spent good money on a BB job. I bet your self-calibration with a WOW disc would come pretty close, if not maybe even better, than what they would end up doing with your set. Either put the money towards a pro calibration by a well-known calibrator, or start with posted settings and pick a WOW disc and go from there.

I wouldn't let Geek Squad touch my plasma if I were you. They've done some VERY stupid things according to some AVS members.

The WOW disc is good for beginners, but you can also use AVS's free disc which has very detailed instructions to guide you and is more complete than most other calibration discs:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

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Originally Posted by LastMinuteGoal View Post

I think the Cnet reviews was talking about maximum light output, and only in Movie mode, which seems to be considerably dimmer than the other modes - for example, I found cell light 10 in standard mode about as bright as cell light 18 in movie mode.

Well, technically speaking, the TV should be able to achieve exactly the same peak brightness in every mode (that is true for the D series, many of us have measured it). The modes simply give you a selection of brightness and white balance presets. Vivid mode just tricks your eyes into thinking it's the brightest by adding more blue to the grayscale (resulting in horribly inaccurate colors).
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post #1398 of 4159
5/27/12 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

Well, technically speaking, the TV should be able to achieve exactly the same peak brightness in every mode (that is true for the D series, many of us have measured it). The modes simply give you a selection of brightness and white balance presets. Vivid mode just tricks your eyes into thinking it's the brightest by adding more blue to the grayscale (resulting in horribly inaccurate colors).

That definitely does not seem to be the case with my E8000. With Cell light at 20, Contrast 100, and all other settings the same (dynamic contrast off, Warm 2 ...), Standard definitely *seems* brighter than Movie. I haven't tested using Vivid/Dynamic mode, but "Relaxed" seems to offer the same brightness as Movie (at same settings).

In fact, if I darken the room completely and rely on the TV to light the room, the whole room gets noticeably brighter when I switch to Standard from Relax/Movie at the same settings (displaying just a random paused scene). I find that in Standard, Cell light at 14 is more or less equivalent to Cell light at 20 in the other two modes, with whites look about the same in both intensity and tone (doesn't appear to be the case of simply adding more blue).

You may still very well be right and it's all just a trick of the eye though, but it might be worth investigating for those with the right equipment.
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post #1399 of 4159
5/27/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by LastMinuteGoal View Post

That definitely does not seem to be the case with my E8000. With Cell light at 20, Contrast 100, and all other settings the same (dynamic contrast off, Warm 2 ...), Standard definitely *seems* brighter than Movie. I haven't tested using Vivid/Dynamic mode, but "Relaxed" seems to offer the same brightness as Movie (at same settings).

In fact, if I darken the room completely and rely on the TV to light the room, the whole room gets noticeably brighter when I switch to Standard from Relax/Movie at the same settings (displaying just a random paused scene). I find that in Standard, Cell light at 14 is more or less equivalent to Cell light at 20 in the other two modes, with whites look about the same in both intensity and tone (doesn't appear to be the case of simply adding more blue).

You may still very well be right and it's all just a trick of the eye though, but it might be worth investigating for those with the right equipment.

i totally agree this tv is not dim

i have a PN60E8000 im am very happy with the PICTURE brightness i don't really care that it so called doesn't compare with xyz brand my tv does not buzz and i have callibrated it myself with D V E HD BASICS the PQ is amazing
we can beat any brand to death
so what settings do you have thats pleasing
i watch mostly at night as i work all day
here are my settings for movie mode try them if you like

Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 52
Sharpness: 0
Color: 54
Tint: G50/R50

Screen adjustment submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Position: [no change]

Auto Adjustment submenu: [Grayed out]

3D submenu: N/A

Advanced settings submenu:
Dynamic contrast: medium
Black tone: dark
Flesh tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: On
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
xvYCC: Off
Motion Lighting: Off [grayed out]

Color Space submenu:
Color Space: Custom
Red: Red 50, Green 0, Blue 0
Green: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 0
Blue: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 50
Yellow: Red 50, Green 50, Blue 0
Cyan: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 50
Magenta: Red 50, Green 0, Blue 50

White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 27
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26
R-Gain: 25
G-Gain: 27
B-Gain: 24

10p White Balance submenu:
Interval 1: Red -1, Green -1, Blue -3
Interval 2: Red 0, Green +1, Blue +1
Interval 3: Red +1, Green +2, Blue +2
Interval 4: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +1
Interval 5: Red +2, Green +3, Blue +4
Interval 6: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +4
Interval 7: Red +2, Green +2, Blue +2
Interval 8: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +5
Interval 9: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +5
Interval 10: Red +3, Green 0, Blue +8

Picture options submenu
Color tone: stanard
Digital Noise Filter: auto
MPEG Noise Filter: auto
HDMI black level: Normal [grayed out]
Film mode: Cinema Smooth

Cinema Smooth only works in 24p
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post #1400 of 4159
5/27/12 at 10:32am
So Let me get this straight last year Sammy was considered brighter and more color accuracy vs Panny?

This year Panny wins in both brightness and color accuracy? ? ? While retaining blacker blacks

I'm not one for drama and the eye test I've already done doesn't grant a clear advantage to either one of the flag ships this year. And I get sammy added some cool features but if picture quality is paramount did panny widen the gap?
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post #1401 of 4159
5/27/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by LastMinuteGoal View Post

That definitely does not seem to be the case with my E8000. With Cell light at 20, Contrast 100, and all other settings the same (dynamic contrast off, Warm 2 ...), Standard definitely *seems* brighter than Movie. I haven't tested using Vivid/Dynamic mode, but "Relaxed" seems to offer the same brightness as Movie (at same settings).

In fact, if I darken the room completely and rely on the TV to light the room, the whole room gets noticeably brighter when I switch to Standard from Relax/Movie at the same settings (displaying just a random paused scene). I find that in Standard, Cell light at 14 is more or less equivalent to Cell light at 20 in the other two modes, with whites look about the same in both intensity and tone (doesn't appear to be the case of simply adding more blue).

You may still very well be right and it's all just a trick of the eye though, but it might be worth investigating for those with the right equipment.

Interesting, not sure why that would be.
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post #1402 of 4159
5/27/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

So Let me get this straight last year Sammy was considered brighter and more color accuracy vs Panny?

This year Panny wins in both brightness and color accuracy? ? ? While retaining blacker blacks

I'm not one for drama and the eye test I've already done doesn't grant a clear advantage to either one of the flag ships this year. And I get sammy added some cool features but if picture quality is paramount did panny widen the gap?

Looks like this year panny measures better (and has more brightness headroom to keep ABL from kicking in), but that didn't result in any perceived difference in general video quality according to the VE shootout.
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post #1403 of 4159
5/27/12 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

So Let me get this straight last year Sammy was considered brighter and more color accuracy vs Panny?

This year Panny wins in both brightness and color accuracy? ? ? While retaining blacker blacks

I'm not one for drama and the eye test I've already done doesn't grant a clear advantage to either one of the flag ships this year. And I get sammy added some cool features but if picture quality is paramount did panny widen the gap?

i thought this was a e7000/e8000 owners thread lets talk about these two sets
i didn't think it was a back and forth about which tv was better if you bought an e7000/e8000 thats the better tv or if you got a panny thats going to be the better tv
Both tv's are excelent
lets talk about how we can get the e7000/e8000 owners there best Experience
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post #1404 of 4159
5/27/12 at 1:38pm
Not really OT, IMO. He came in search of owner knowledge.
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post #1405 of 4159
5/27/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

So Let me get this straight last year Sammy was considered brighter and more color accuracy vs Panny?

This year Panny wins in both brightness and color accuracy? ? ? While retaining blacker blacks

I'm not one for drama and the eye test I've already done doesn't grant a clear advantage to either one of the flag ships this year. And I get sammy added some cool features but if picture quality is paramount did panny widen the gap?

To be honest I think I'll like the color in the E8000 better than then ST50 I returned, once I set it up properly after break-in. Everyone keeps saying technically Panasonic has more accurate colors, but I found the colors too vivid even with CNET or Dnice's settings. I turned the color saturation down quite a bit on the ST50 because I found flesh tones just didn't look right - too saturated.

The E8000 appears to have more accurate color tones, and again, I haven't even made any adjustments yet. Out of the box, with brightness/contrast at 50% in movie mode, and the colors already appear more promising to me than the ST50. It definitely needs some adjusting, but I think I'll be happier with the flesh tones in the E8000.
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post #1406 of 4159
5/27/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I've noticed something odd while switching through my Cinemax channels during my break-in period. Sometimes, when I switch to another channel, the motion is extremely choppy, almost like stop-motion for several seconds - very stuttery - sometimes up to 10 or more seconds, before it finally becomes normal. It only happens randomly, and not always on the same Cinemax channels. Sometimes it will happen on 1 channel, but then when I leave and come back, it doesn't do it again. It's totally random it seems. But it happens fairly regularly. The motion is otherwise spectacular. But that first few seconds after tuning into a channel, sometimes it happens. My D7000 never did this even once, and neither did the ST50.

My provider is Verizon FIOS. Any idea what could be causing this? Has anybody else noticed? My girlfriend noticed it earlier today, and it's very noticeable when it happens.

My E8000 continues to do this regularly. My girlfriend notices it as well. Has nobody else experienced this with their E7000/E8000?
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5/27/12 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

So Let me get this straight last year Sammy was considered brighter and more color accuracy vs Panny?

This year Panny wins in both brightness and color accuracy? ? ? While retaining blacker blacks

I'm not one for drama and the eye test I've already done doesn't grant a clear advantage to either one of the flag ships this year. And I get sammy added some cool features but if picture quality is paramount did panny widen the gap?

to be sure some of it is just preference

I have not seen the VT50 for any length of time...but I have looked at the Vt30 at length and own both a Samsung C8000 and E8000 plasma

First off ..I dont think anyone would be disappointed with either set
It comes down to splitting hairs

I think the Samsung has a more a "LED ish" look with its colors...the Panasonic more natural looking

The Samsung is brighter than the VT30...again I have not seen the VT50

That may or not a be plus
I like the design and feature set of the Samsung better
both personal preferences

and the Samsung was always less expensive than the Panasonic...which I considered a major plus

If the Vt50 raises the bar to another level ..then there is more to come

Warren
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post #1408 of 4159
5/27/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

i totally agree this tv is not dim

i have a PN60E8000 im am very happy with the PICTURE brightness i don't really care that it so called doesn't compare with xyz brand my tv does not buzz and i have callibrated it myself with D V E HD BASICS the PQ is amazing
we can beat any brand to death
so what settings do you have thats pleasing
i watch mostly at night as i work all day
here are my settings for movie mode try them if you like

Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 52
Sharpness: 0
Color: 54
Tint: G50/R50

Screen adjustment submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Position: [no change]

Auto Adjustment submenu: [Grayed out]

3D submenu: N/A

Advanced settings submenu:
Dynamic contrast: medium
Black tone: dark
Flesh tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: On
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
xvYCC: Off
Motion Lighting: Off [grayed out]

Color Space submenu:
Color Space: Custom
Red: Red 50, Green 0, Blue 0
Green: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 0
Blue: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 50
Yellow: Red 50, Green 50, Blue 0
Cyan: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 50
Magenta: Red 50, Green 0, Blue 50

White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 27
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26
R-Gain: 25
G-Gain: 27
B-Gain: 24

10p White Balance submenu:
Interval 1: Red -1, Green -1, Blue -3
Interval 2: Red 0, Green +1, Blue +1
Interval 3: Red +1, Green +2, Blue +2
Interval 4: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +1
Interval 5: Red +2, Green +3, Blue +4
Interval 6: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +4
Interval 7: Red +2, Green +2, Blue +2
Interval 8: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +5
Interval 9: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +5
Interval 10: Red +3, Green 0, Blue +8

Picture options submenu
Color tone: stanard
Digital Noise Filter: auto
MPEG Noise Filter: auto
HDMI black level: Normal [grayed out]
Film mode: Cinema Smooth

Cinema Smooth only works in 24p

personal preference here

But..I tried those setting and it gave everything a blue hue

Warren
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post #1409 of 4159
5/27/12 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

My E8000 continues to do this regularly. My girlfriend notices it as well. Has nobody else experienced this with their E7000/E8000?

Repeated failed handshakes would look like what you're seeing. Doesn't that sound familiar?
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5/27/12 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Repeated failed handshakes would look like what you're seeing. Doesn't that sound familiar?

Lol, indeed it does.

I wasn't aware that the cable box handshakes with the set between each channel change though. I thought that was only when you switched sources? Hasn't the tv already established a handshake with the FIOS box? Evrything is perfect until I switch channels. To be honest I don't really know when these things handshake, I just always thought it was when switching sources, not channels. Very odd because my D7000 and the ST50 never did this, with all the same equipment.
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