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Originally Posted by dmercer3 View Post

The yellow vertical line is color banding plain and simple... cant fix that, if it is what you described its a bad panel. Im not experienced with DSE. Your lucky you have options. I got my E8000 becuase my C8000 had color banding, but samsung does not give the option to change technologies upon replacement (led/lcd).
Not going to tell you what to do, but you have a bad panel.

Thanks for the reply. Well then I guess I have to call Best Buy and arrange for a replacement since it's still within the return policy (barely). This is what I get for not checking the screen first I guess. No matter what because of the line I'm going to get it swapped out. So this "DSE", I take it that it doesn't happen on all sets and a new panel might not have these streaks then? Does the screen coating they use on these panels contribute to the DSE?
Edited by eagle_2 - 6/13/12 at 11:47am
post #1832 of 4157
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Originally Posted by Jruc03 View Post

Yes thats what i'm referring to. The last 3 panels i've gotten have had it starting with my original D7000 then they replaced the panel and the new panel had it. Now I have gotten a replacement 60E7000 which also has it. If I can't get one that doesn't this next time I might just ask for a refund. I don't really know what else to do at this point.
I just can't but up with it for a brand new tv, its very distracting on any bluray with alot of white or shots of the sky when its light blue.
This is exactly what mine looks like. Any full white jpeg from the break in slides the screen looks super blotchy with grey vertical streaks about every 6" on the screen.

Sounds like what I just noticed for the first time last night. Lots and lots of streaks that are visible during light backgrounds especially when panning. I thought I've been lucky not having any DSE but I guess I'm not that lucky after all.

I'm so close to getting an LCD it's not even funny. I can't believe I 'm gong to have to break in another E8000 now - I had it broken in with over 200 hours of 16:9 Cinemax so that I could use the set as I want after that without worrying so much about image retention and black bars. I can't believe I have to do it all again. I'm asking myself if plasma is really worth it. Every time I look at an LCD in the store I answer myself, "yes it's worth it", but these plasmas are far from ideal, with DSE, lines, image retention, and brightness instability/ABL issues. Then again I've read LCD can have DSE too and they sure have their own set of issues. I've got some thinking to do.
Edited by eagle_2 - 6/13/12 at 11:46am
post #1833 of 4157
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Originally Posted by cfisher88 View Post

I just noticed a new App in Smart Hub that allows you to sign up for the Gaikai beta. Anyone notice SPI Filmbox show up last week and then disappear? It looked like a good service for international films. I hope it comes back. Where is that damn HBO GO?

Ya Where is that Darn HBO GO app my C7000 has it my D8000 has it ?????
post #1834 of 4157
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Sounds like what I just noticed for the first time last night. Lots and lots of streaks that are visible during light backgrounds especially when panning. I thought I've been lucky not having any DSE but I guess I'm not that lucky after all.
I'm so close to getting an LCD it's not even funny. I can't believe I 'm gong to have to break in another E8000 now - I had it broken in with over 200 hours of 16:9 Cinemax so that I could use the set as I want after that without worrying so much about image retention and black bars. I can't believe I have to do it all again. I'm asking myself if plasma is really worth it. Every time I look at an LCD in the store I answer myself, "yes it's worth it", but these plasmas are far from ideal, with DSE, lines, image retention, and brightness instability/ABL issues. Then again I've read LCD can have DSE too and they sure have their own set of issues. I've got some thinking to do.

Based on your experience with Plasmas you might want to just exchange this set for an LCD at this point. It's not like the yellow streaks on the plasma have been your only complaint. This dates back to the ST50 you had........BUT.....if you think you're having issues with plasmas you'll be pulling your hair out with an LCD. After reading your posts I think I know you well enough to know how picky you are and you won't be happy with the flash lighting and clouding and minimal viewing angles but with you being so unhappy with plasma you should just exchange this one and look for the best LCD you can get. The Elite will probably eliminate most of the LCD common complaints.
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Why did you get rid of the ST50? Might be worth looking at the UT50 if you liked the ST - no filter so no DSE.
post #1836 of 4157
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Based on your experience with Plasmas you might want to just exchange this set for an LCD at this point. It's not like the yellow streaks on the plasma have been your only complaint. This dates back to the ST50 you had........BUT.....if you think you're having issues with plasmas you'll be pulling your hair out with an LCD. After reading your posts I think I know you well enough to know how picky you are and you won't be happy with the flash lighting and clouding and minimal viewing angles but with you being so unhappy with plasma you should just exchange this one and look for the best LCD you can get. The Elite will probably eliminate most of the LCD common complaints.

I know you're 100% correct. I'm just not thrilled with the technology right now. Both technologies are very promising but both have some pretty nasty flaws, at least what's currently available. I'm strongly considering an LCD, the ES7500, and I'd have to take a step down to the 46" model to afford it, and it still costs more. And I know I'll be frustrated with LCD too. But I'm just out of ideas. At least with LCD I can game to my heart's content and watch all-day marathons of Twilight Zone in 4:3 without freaking out over image retention. I'm heading out to Best Buy now to wander the aisles. I'll let you guys know what happens.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I know you're 100% correct. I'm just not thrilled with the technology right now. Both technologies are very promising but both have some pretty nasty flaws, at least what's currently available. I'm strongly considering an LCD, the ES7500, and I'd have to take a step down to the 46" model to afford it, and it still costs more. And I know I'll be frustrated with LCD too. But I'm just out of ideas. At least with LCD I can game to my heart's content and watch all-day marathons of Twilight Zone in 4:3 without freaking out over image retention. I'm heading out to Best Buy now to wander the aisles. I'll let you guys know what happens.

ouch
post #1838 of 4157
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I know you're 100% correct. I'm just not thrilled with the technology right now. Both technologies are very promising but both have some pretty nasty flaws, at least what's currently available. I'm strongly considering an LCD, the ES7500, and I'd have to take a step down to the 46" model to afford it, and it still costs more. And I know I'll be frustrated with LCD too. But I'm just out of ideas. At least with LCD I can game to my heart's content and watch all-day marathons of Twilight Zone in 4:3 without freaking out over image retention. I'm heading out to Best Buy now to wander the aisles. I'll let you guys know what happens.

I had a Sammy UN55D7000 LCD/LED and I ended up returning it and going for plasma. I just can't wrap my head around why the LCD/LED TV's cost significantly more when it's just an LCD with LED backlighting? Unless somebody can give me a good enough answer on this it seems like customers are just being fooled into thinking they are getting something significantly better. Although I have seen the Elite and it does look amazing I don't even understand why it costs so much more than a plasma?
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I know you're 100% correct. I'm just not thrilled with the technology right now. Both technologies are very promising but both have some pretty nasty flaws, at least what's currently available. I'm strongly considering an LCD, the ES7500, and I'd have to take a step down to the 46" model to afford it, and it still costs more. And I know I'll be frustrated with LCD too. But I'm just out of ideas. At least with LCD I can game to my heart's content and watch all-day marathons of Twilight Zone in 4:3 without freaking out over image retention. I'm heading out to Best Buy now to wander the aisles. I'll let you guys know what happens.

you know i have a PN50C7000 and the IR is real bad, if i watch a letterbox movie with bars top and bottom, after I'm finished i just use the scolling bar and it wipes the screen clean after about ten minutes I see no IR, but my PN60E8000 I can watch the same movie with no visable signs of IR
post #1840 of 4157
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Originally Posted by Jruc03 View Post

Yes thats what i'm referring to. The last 3 panels i've gotten have had it starting with my original D7000 then they replaced the panel and the new panel had it. Now I have gotten a replacement 60E7000 which also has it. If I can't get one that doesn't this next time I might just ask for a refund. I don't really know what else to do at this point.
I just can't but up with it for a brand new tv, its very distracting on any bluray with alot of white or shots of the sky when its light blue.
This is exactly what mine looks like. Any full white jpeg from the break in slides the screen looks super blotchy with grey vertical streaks about every 6" on the screen.


Hmmm... I have the 64D7000 and have had the panel replaced twice now. The first panel had the peeling, bubbling anti-reflective screen but the uniformity was perfect. The second and third panels have a different reflective surface (not as effective as the first) and each has uniformity problems. I assume that these newer D7000/D8000 panels are being used on the E series. At low luminance levels, it also shows the vertical banding but not enough to be distracting during normal viewing.

For the second panel it became a real problem when performing a calibration with meters since each section of the panel had a slightly different color temperature. At least, for the good, the one that I have now behaves oddly -- it only shows this non-uniformity when a pure full screen gray or white is displayed. During normal viewing or calibrating with 10 or 18% window patterns, everything behaves normally. In other words, when an area of the screen is showing a darker object, the uniformity improves greatly. Odd, I know.

BTW, has anyone here with an E model performed a calibration with a meter? If so, what is the achievable peak white? What is the minimum luminance level? How well do the color gamut controls work? The TV has been out for a number of months now so someone must have done this.


Larry
post #1841 of 4157
New firmware is available. It's dated Jun 4th but I think this was the first time I was able to upgrade it from the TV itself.

This firmware is for TV Model(s): PN**E7000 and PN**E8000.
The version is 1019.4
This firmware update will improve the following: - Supports Samsung Wireless Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500 - Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch. - Improves picture quality. - Enhances Voice Recognition feature. - hange the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''
post #1842 of 4157
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Originally Posted by akalion View Post

New firmware is available. It's dated Jun 4th but I think this was the first time I was able to upgrade it from the TV itself.
This firmware is for TV Model(s): PN**E7000 and PN**E8000.
The version is 1019.4
This firmware update will improve the following: - Supports Samsung Wireless Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500 - Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch. - Improves picture quality. - Enhances Voice Recognition feature. - hange the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''

got it thanks
post #1843 of 4157
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

I had a Sammy UN55D7000 LCD/LED and I ended up returning it and going for plasma. I just can't wrap my head around why the LCD/LED TV's cost significantly more when it's just an LCD with LED backlighting? Unless somebody can give me a good enough answer on this it seems like customers are just being fooled into thinking they are getting something significantly better. Although I have seen the Elite and it does look amazing I don't even understand why it costs so much more than a plasma?

I agree completely. There's no reason why the LCD/LED tvs should cost so much more than the plasmas. It's all marketing.

Well after going to Best Buy I decided it's best for my situation to get the 46" ES7500 LCD. I know there will be a host of issues because I've already had some experience with flashlighting and clouding on last year's LCDs but I just couldn't go through another round of break-in and since I've had other issues with the plasmas I'm hoping I can live with an LCD. I really wanted a 50" but they're not available yet - the Best Buy sales rep checked and the 50" ES7500 won't be available for another 3 weeks roughly, and they are quite expensive - the 46" was $450 more than the 51" E8000 which is absolute robbery. I went from feeling like I got a great deal on the E8000 to feeling robbed, and the 7500 was on sale for $500 less than regular price!! Outrageous!

But this is even more outrageous - they had to return the tv on one return and the extended warranty on another return. The tv went through just fine and it's going to be delivered on Friday. But, when they processed the warranty return, it spat out a slip saying that there are an excessive number of returns so they will not accept another return for 90 days. What?? How can they sell me the tv with the understanding that it comes with a 30 day return policy, and then immediately turn around and tell us after we pay for it that we can't return it? That last return for the warranty, because it was done separately, and counts as a separate return, put us over the limit I guess (I think when we went in the other day to match price they may have processed it as a return also to re-ring the difference, I'm not sure how that worked). But why is that our fault that they had to ring things separately? If they kept it all on one transaction like we wanted tonight we wouldn't have hit that limit. And we just bought a new Panasonic blu-ray player 2 days ago and we haven't even tried a disc out yet - what if it has a problem and needs to go back? That also was sold with an understanding that it comes with a 30-day return policy. How can they sell that and the new tv to us and tell us after it's been paid for that we can't return it?

At least if they told us that any future purchases cannot be returned, at least we would have been warned. But the slip says they will not accept any more returns period, for 90 days. So what if the blu-ray player doesn't even work, or the ES7500 doesn't turn on or the speakers are dead, whatever? I'm not happy and I intend to call their corporate number and dispute it tomorrow. The slip says I can dispute it and I intend to. Also, every time we returned a tv we bought a more expensive one - when we traded in the D7000 we spent several hundred more to upgrade to the ST50. When we went from the ST50 to the E8000 we spent another $150, and tonight we spent an additional $450! We also bought a WDTV Live media player last month and kept it, and a blu-ray player the other day. Why are they complaining?

So I'm nervous about the new LCD of course. I don't know if I made the right decision but I was out of ideas. I can't believe the LCDs cost so much more when plasmas actually look better. But thanks to the lack of quality control, I just couldn't deal with any more lines, fluctuations or ABL pops. Now instead I get to deal with viewing angles, flashlighting, clouding, and motion issues. Yay!
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I just couldn't go through another round of break-in

The thing is you didn't have to nor do you need to. It's been proven to be just another "urban myth". A pointless waste of time. If, when I upgrade my 4 year old Panny plasma to another plasma it will receive the same care as this first one and the 42" I bought a year later- which is to hook it up, turn it on, set it up with a THX DVD/Blu-ray and then watch TV and movies on it.

Why waste 200 hours running slides on it when I could be watching and enjoying it for those 200 hours?

Good luck with what I know will be your endless search for a set you're happy with.
post #1845 of 4157
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

I just couldn't go through another round of break-in
The thing is you didn't have to nor do you need to. It's been proven to be just another "urban myth". A pointless waste of time. If, when I upgrade my 4 year old Panny plasma to another plasma it will receive the same care as this first one and the 42" I bought a year later- which is to hook it up, turn it on, set it up with a THX DVD/Blu-ray and then watch TV and movies on it.

I'm beginning to agree with this sentiment, even though I did break-in my E8000. The hypothesis is that breaking in helps to prevent/reduce IR, but the E8000 is already well established as being excellent when it comes to IR, so even if the hypothesis is real, it may not be necessary. I also broke-in my C7000, and for longer than the E8000, and that still had horrible temporary IR.
post #1846 of 4157
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

I just couldn't go through another round of break-in
The thing is you didn't have to nor do you need to. It's been proven to be just another "urban myth". A pointless waste of time. If, when I upgrade my 4 year old Panny plasma to another plasma it will receive the same care as this first one and the 42" I bought a year later- which is to hook it up, turn it on, set it up with a THX DVD/Blu-ray and then watch TV and movies on it.
Why waste 200 hours running slides on it when I could be watching and enjoying it for those 200 hours?
Good luck with what I know will be your endless search for a set you're happy with.

- Why waste 200 hours running slides on it when I could be watching and enjoying it for those 200 hours?

Because, for those 200 hours I could not watch any channels with logos without being nervous, no 4:3 content (I have tons of 4:3 DVDs of favorite tv shows), no 2:35:1 films (there goes half my film collection, actually much more than half), no channels with tickers, etc..

Break the set in for 10-14 days, then you've got a good 200 hours or so - then I can (in theory) get more comfortable watching what I want. Why wait 3 or 4 months before I can watch what I want when I can just put the same screen hours in with under 2 weeks of break-in (with breaks in between of course)? The theory is sound - I've heard it a ton of times - and you just said it yourself - just be careful not to watch pillarbox, letterbox, for the first couple hundred hours. Like I said, I effectively reached that same amount of hours in under 2 weeks instead of it taking months, meaning I could feel more comfortable with letterbox films, 4:3, etc.

That's why I chose to break it in. It's not an urban myth when even CNET said this the other day in their "accidental burn-in test":

"be especially careful during the first few hundred hours of your new plasma TV's lifespan."

So put a couple hundred hours on the screen and then you don't have to be nearly so worried - makes sense to me.

Also, I'm not an engineer. This forum is filled with this kind of advice. So are many many websites with tips for plasma owners. If I'm being misled with false information, and none of that really helps or matters, well then that's not my fault - I'm believing what the majority of sources tell me.
post #1847 of 4157
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I agree completely. There's no reason why the LCD/LED tvs should cost so much more than the plasmas. It's all marketing.
Well after going to Best Buy I decided it's best for my situation to get the 46" ES7500 LCD. I know there will be a host of issues because I've already had some experience with flashlighting and clouding on last year's LCDs but I just couldn't go through another round of break-in and since I've had other issues with the plasmas I'm hoping I can live with an LCD. I really wanted a 50" but they're not available yet - the Best Buy sales rep checked and the 50" ES7500 won't be available for another 3 weeks roughly, and they are quite expensive - the 46" was $450 more than the 51" E8000 which is absolute robbery. I went from feeling like I got a great deal on the E8000 to feeling robbed, and the 7500 was on sale for $500 less than regular price!! Outrageous!
But this is even more outrageous - they had to return the tv on one return and the extended warranty on another return. The tv went through just fine and it's going to be delivered on Friday. But, when they processed the warranty return, it spat out a slip saying that there are an excessive number of returns so they will not accept another return for 90 days. What?? How can they sell me the tv with the understanding that it comes with a 30 day return policy, and then immediately turn around and tell us after we pay for it that we can't return it? That last return for the warranty, because it was done separately, and counts as a separate return, put us over the limit I guess (I think when we went in the other day to match price they may have processed it as a return also to re-ring the difference, I'm not sure how that worked). But why is that our fault that they had to ring things separately? If they kept it all on one transaction like we wanted tonight we wouldn't have hit that limit. And we just bought a new Panasonic blu-ray player 2 days ago and we haven't even tried a disc out yet - what if it has a problem and needs to go back? That also was sold with an understanding that it comes with a 30-day return policy. How can they sell that and the new tv to us and tell us after it's been paid for that we can't return it?
At least if they told us that any future purchases cannot be returned, at least we would have been warned. But the slip says they will not accept any more returns period, for 90 days. So what if the blu-ray player doesn't even work, or the ES7500 doesn't turn on or the speakers are dead, whatever? I'm not happy and I intend to call their corporate number and dispute it tomorrow. The slip says I can dispute it and I intend to. Also, every time we returned a tv we bought a more expensive one - when we traded in the D7000 we spent several hundred more to upgrade to the ST50. When we went from the ST50 to the E8000 we spent another $150, and tonight we spent an additional $450! We also bought a WDTV Live media player last month and kept it, and a blu-ray player the other day. Why are they complaining?
So I'm nervous about the new LCD of course. I don't know if I made the right decision but I was out of ideas. I can't believe the LCDs cost so much more when plasmas actually look better. But thanks to the lack of quality control, I just couldn't deal with any more lines, fluctuations or ABL pops. Now instead I get to deal with viewing angles, flashlighting, clouding, and motion issues. Yay!

Now all I can think of is that you really couldn't afford this in the first place let alone all that goes with it. I really hate to hear of people who spend money they shouldn't...it's a disease in the US particularly. You don't need to break in the current generation of plasmas really, just watch as much full screen content as you can, with little as possible static images for a while. Variety is key. Keep the trash ESPN channel away, that's a known killer wink.gif Who knows maybe your set was allergic to CNET settings wink.gif
post #1848 of 4157
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Now all I can think of is that you really couldn't afford this in the first place let alone all that goes with it. I really hate to hear of people who spend money they shouldn't...it's a disease in the US particularly. You don't need to break in the current generation of plasmas really, just watch as much full screen content as you can, with little as possible static images for a while. Variety is key. Keep the trash ESPN channel away, that's a known killer wink.gif Who knows maybe your set was allergic to CNET settings wink.gif

i too think it's a waste of time i have a PN50C7000 I think it is the worst for IR but i still watched ESPN MLB with alot of static images after watching these channels i use the scrolling bar for about ten min. screen is clean

my PN60E8000 I have yet to see any problems with IR

So if you are smart you should have no trouble
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on a different subject i bought some LED TO BACK LITE MY TY I'M amazed what a difference it makes the picture is great the blacks look blacker and the color appears more vibrent i'll have to get more for my other two tv's

thanks for all the info about putting LED LITES ON THE BACK OF THE TV AMAZING
post #1850 of 4157
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Now all I can think of is that you really couldn't afford this in the first place let alone all that goes with it. I really hate to hear of people who spend money they shouldn't...it's a disease in the US particularly. You don't need to break in the current generation of plasmas really, just watch as much full screen content as you can, with little as possible static images for a while. Variety is key. Keep the trash ESPN channel away, that's a known killer wink.gif Who knows maybe your set was allergic to CNET settings wink.gif

Well this has definitely turned out to be more expensive than we bargained for. No Christmas for us this year. My girlfriend is a huge sports fan and she definitely enjoys watching a game here and there. She definitely likes to land on the sports channels and follow the scores here and there. Every time I saw the sports channel and the tickers I got nervous. She certainly has every right to watch the tv as she chooses, and that's one thing that will be a relief for me - not caring what's on the screen. I haven't been gaming for a while but I plan to return to it and I have lots of games waiting to go, and a lot of my games are not the kind of games you would play on a plasma for any length of time. I'm a huge pinball fan and I'm really into the Future Pinball tables that are freely available, and those tables never move - they just stay on the screen for as long as you play the table. I would never ever have felt comfortable playing those kinds of games on that plasma, but I know they would have looked amazing.

I was willing to settle in with the E8000 and it's faults because it did look fantastic, but after seeing the line, and thinking everything over, I decided that I'll feel much more free with an LCD. Many say don't worry about image retention but the people over in the image retention thread tell a different tale. I think plasma is an excellent choice for many users - especially those who plan on watching more 16:9 films than anything else. For those like me that would love to use it for everything - movies in all aspect ratios, games, 4:3 tv shows on DVD, sports channels, and internet (which I'm sure looks great on a big LCD screen), I think LCD may be less stress and worrying. It's just unfortunate that I'm also so picky about quality and I notice everything.

I'll sure miss the 51" screen. I saw the 46" and it sure won't immerse me in 3D like the 51". If the LCD prices weren't utterly insane I wouldn't have settled for the 46".
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on a different subject i bought some LED TO BACK LITE MY TY I'M amazed what a difference it makes the picture is great the blacks look blacker and the color appears more vibrent i'll have to get more for my other two tv's
thanks for all the info about putting LED LITES ON THE BACK OF THE TV AMAZING

Glad to hear the lights help. If I can settle in with this LCD I might eventually look into that as well, I like the idea a lot.
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Glad to hear the lights help. If I can settle in with this LCD I might eventually look into that as well, I like the idea a lot.

those lites amaze me makes the PQ so much richer makes for blacker blacks! incredible

i also have a UN46D8000 they are bright but it's nothing like my plasmas my PN50C7000 THE 3D is not good And my PN60E8000 the 3D is great
i must confess that the 3D on my UN46D8000 IS REALLY good i think it's because it's so bright
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I effectively reached that same amount of hours in under 2 weeks instead of it taking months, meaning I could feel more comfortable with letterbox films, 4:3, etc.

That's why I chose to break it in. It's not an urban myth when even CNET said this the other day in their "accidental burn-in test":

"be especially careful during the first few hundred hours of your new plasma TV's lifespan."

So put a couple hundred hours on the screen and then you don't have to be nearly so worried - makes sense to me.
There's a large number of movies in DVD and Blu-ray that have aspect ratios that match a display screen -- 1.78:1 or 16 by 9. Combine those movies with HDTV from channels that do not have high contrast logos and a lot of those 200 hours can be more interesting than slides.

I was worried about our first plasma so we watched "safe" material and I ran the slides when we weren't watching something else. D-Nice knows a lot about plasmas and he has spent a lot of time with individual sets. He doesn't think aging protects against IR no matter the age of the display. He is probably right, but at the time it made me comfortable.

For the past four years we have used the display with a general mix of all kinds of material except gaming, When I checked for IR with slides recently I didn't find any.

There is one benefit of running a new set non-stop for a while, and that's to see if it fails early in it's electronic life. wink.gif
Edited by htwaits - 6/14/12 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

It's just unfortunate that I'm also so picky about quality and I notice everything.
I wish you the best of luck.
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

on a different subject i bought some LED TO BACK LITE MY TY I'M amazed what a difference it makes the picture is great the blacks look blacker and the color appears more vibrent i'll have to get more for my other two tv's
thanks for all the info about putting LED LITES ON THE BACK OF THE TV AMAZING

Might I ask what lights you purchased? I bought an Ideal Lume years ago and was less than pleased with it. The included velcro was not enough to support the light, which kept falling off the tv, eventually shattering the bulb.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

- Why waste 200 hours running slides on it when I could be watching and enjoying it for those 200 hours?
Because, for those 200 hours I could not watch any channels with logos without being nervous, no 4:3 content (I have tons of 4:3 DVDs of favorite tv shows), no 2:35:1 films (there goes half my film collection, actually much more than half), no channels with tickers, etc..
Break the set in for 10-14 days, then you've got a good 200 hours or so - then I can (in theory) get more comfortable watching what I want. Why wait 3 or 4 months before I can watch what I want when I can just put the same screen hours in with under 2 weeks of break-in (with breaks in between of course)? The theory is sound - I've heard it a ton of times - and you just said it yourself - just be careful not to watch pillarbox, letterbox, for the first couple hundred hours. Like I said, I effectively reached that same amount of hours in under 2 weeks instead of it taking months, meaning I could feel more comfortable with letterbox films, 4:3, etc.
That's why I chose to break it in. It's not an urban myth when even CNET said this the other day in their "accidental burn-in test":
"be especially careful during the first few hundred hours of your new plasma TV's lifespan."
So put a couple hundred hours on the screen and then you don't have to be nearly so worried - makes sense to me.
Also, I'm not an engineer. This forum is filled with this kind of advice. So are many many websites with tips for plasma owners. If I'm being misled with false information, and none of that really helps or matters, well then that's not my fault - I'm believing what the majority of sources tell me.

As I said I never broke in either of my plasma sets. Both are older models so should have been more susceptible to IR or burn in. I've played Xbox and PS3 games for hours on end on both sets without a hint of IR. The only IR I have seen on either set is when my mom is babysitting the kids and watches crappy SD 4:3 channels all day.

But the IR goes away within a day. Neither set has any wipers, orbiters or any other type of IR prevention. IR is a WAY over blown issue.

You seem to be a little OCD about it which is preventing you from getting the TV you want. Too bad.
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Might I ask what lights you purchased? I bought an Ideal Lume years ago and was less than pleased with it. The included velcro was not enough to support the light, which kept falling off the tv, eventually shattering the bulb.

I got them from Amazon
LED Backlight Kit for 46"-57" TV LCD Flatscreen
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I got them from Amazon
LED Backlight Kit for 46"-57" TV LCD Flatscreen

They work well don't they. They look cool too. Did you put two or four strips?
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They work well don't they. They look cool too. Did you put two or four strips?

i only put one strip for now but i just ordered another strip
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I originally purchased one set then tried to cancel it and order another set with expedited shipping so I would receive it when I received my TV in order to install it before hanging the TV on the wall. I ended up receiving the first order I tried to cancel anyway because it already shipped. I decided what the heck, I'll just install a second set of leds on the TV to have lights on all four sides. It was real fun installing them and running the power chord inside the wall while the TV was already on the wall. I was able to do it without too much frustration.
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