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post #2041 of 4157
7/11/12 at 8:49pm
Thanks all for the "break-in-sight." By the way, without discussing anything about prices, you should check out the promotion thread in the deals section. I just posted about a great promotion going on for the E7000 and E8000 series (and more), which can be seen on Amazon.com.
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post #2042 of 4157
7/11/12 at 11:03pm
Why are these and other plasma boards so Panasonic dominated? Is it purely a reflection of the market share that Panasonic has on plasmas? Or is it because "true" enthusiasts--the ones that like discussing these things on forums--tend to go with Panasonics? For instance, I go to **************, and there is not even a thread about the e7000/e8000 line. What gives?
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post #2043 of 4157
7/12/12 at 4:36am
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Why are these and other plasma boards so Panasonic dominated? Is it purely a reflection of the market share that Panasonic has on plasmas? Or is it because "true" enthusiasts--the ones that like discussing these things on forums--tend to go with Panasonics? For instance, I go to **************, and there is not even a thread about the e7000/e8000 line. What gives?

I think there are a few reasons for this. One is availability. Where I am, only one brick and mortar place has it on display, not even in stock. Many online retailers aren't even carrying it, at least not yet. Two, lack of reviews. I've read two reviews, both positive, on Cnet and at HDJ, while it seems the Panasonic models, from the VT all the way to the UT, have been reviewed by everyone and their brother. Three, the 2012 shootout. Although declared the 2nd best plasma, the "approaching Kuro blacks" has everyone a-buzz. And the extremely positive reviews on the ST have fueled ths as well, and to a certain extent, the UT.

I was in this boat too, but after going through 4 Panasonics, 2 2011s and 2 2012, all with issues, I went with the 51E8000 and couldn't be happier.
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post #2044 of 4157
7/12/12 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Off the current topic about break in --
There seems to be a dearth of technical information in this thread but maybe some of you can comment on the screen uniformity of the E series. Of course, this would include any dirty screen effect and pinkish or greenish discoloration problems. I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Larry

No green or pink and DSE is barely noticeable if at all.
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post #2045 of 4157
7/12/12 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Off the current topic about break in --
There seems to be a dearth of technical information in this thread but maybe some of you can comment on the screen uniformity of the E series. Of course, this would include any dirty screen effect and pinkish or greenish discoloration problems. I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Larry

Well you probably already know my story since I posted it on here but it took me 2 tries before I finally got on with no screen uniformity issues or DSE. Also my old 59D7000 had the same problem. The first 60E7000 had very bad DSE and on a whole white screen looked pink and blotchy. I've never seen any green discoloration as of yet on any of mine.

My current one is great with no issues that are visible. I did notice a half stuck pixel when I first got it but it went away.
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post #2046 of 4157
7/12/12 at 3:30pm
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I think there are a few reasons for this. One is availability. Where I am, only one brick and mortar place has it on display, not even in stock. Many online retailers aren't even carrying it, at least not yet. Two, lack of reviews. I've read two reviews, both positive, on Cnet and at HDJ, while it seems the Panasonic models, from the VT all the way to the UT, have been reviewed by everyone and their brother. Three, the 2012 shootout. Although declared the 2nd best plasma, the "approaching Kuro blacks" has everyone a-buzz. And the extremely positive reviews on the ST have fueled ths as well, and to a certain extent, the UT.
I was in this boat too, but after going through 4 Panasonics, 2 2011s and 2 2012, all with issues, I went with the 51E8000 and couldn't be happier.

I'm seeing reviews, here and there, from actual buyers(cnet also) that are saying there is some sort of problem with fade to black during a movie. Is this true?
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post #2047 of 4157
7/12/12 at 3:59pm
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I'm seeing reviews, here and there, from actual buyers(cnet also) that are saying there is some sort of problem with fade to black during a movie. Is this true?

On the default movie mode mine turned the screen off on totally black screens - increased brightness to 46 and I haven't seen it since. I have now had two E8000's and had identical results with both. It's not a problem at all. A brightness setting of 46 was pretty much bang on in terms of black level calibration for both sets I've had, 45 crushed black levels ever so slightly.
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post #2048 of 4157
7/13/12 at 8:37am
Can anyone tell me if they see flicker with scrolling text on thier E7000? For example with ESPN or on many of the news channels. I ask because I am seeing it with my E7000. I did have an E8000 for a short period of time and don't recall seeing this. Wondering if it's a function of the clear image panel feature on the E8000. Thanks for your input.
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post #2049 of 4157
7/13/12 at 11:57am
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Well you probably already know my story since I posted it on here but it took me 2 tries before I finally got on with no screen uniformity issues or DSE. Also my old 59D7000 had the same problem. The first 60E7000 had very bad DSE and on a whole white screen looked pink and blotchy. I've never seen any green discoloration as of yet on any of mine.
My current one is great with no issues that are visible. I did notice a half stuck pixel when I first got it but it went away.

I haven't noticed and DSE, or pinkish or greenish discoloration on my 60E7000.
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post #2050 of 4157
7/13/12 at 12:21pm
For those interested, a new review here.
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post #2051 of 4157
7/13/12 at 7:17pm
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Can anyone tell me if they see flicker with scrolling text on thier E7000? For example with ESPN or on many of the news channels. I ask because I am seeing it with my E7000. I did have an E8000 for a short period of time and don't recall seeing this. Wondering if it's a function of the clear image panel feature on the E8000. Thanks for your input.

Was watching the golf channel for a bit today and did not notice any flickering with the scrolling text.
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post #2052 of 4157
7/14/12 at 8:57pm
Just received my 64E7000. .55" profile Sanus mount. Still waiting on TV stand and speakers.

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post #2053 of 4157
7/15/12 at 3:17am
So is the 7000/8000 100% identical in PQ and most importantly image processing? I ask this because I was testing out the 8000 today with an Xbox and it felt very good as far as low input lag, better than my 3 year old B650 - but I don't need a camera an stuff, so I'd like to pick up the 7000 if it is indeed identical to the 8000.

Any official input lag test results in game mode for these sets yet?
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post #2054 of 4157
7/15/12 at 5:04am
Greeting all.

Well, I just bought a 60E7000 this last Friday.

LOVE IT!

Picture is fantastic and I can't really hear any buzz. Maybe I have a "bad" set as it seems like 90% here have the "buzz" issue. I can only imagine how many people have returned this set. Must be literally in the thousands.

I upgrade from a Samsung HL-S5687W 56" DLP. Loved the set when I got it but this new Samsung just eats it alive IMO.

I will probably be doing a bit of tweaking of it soon. I am sure its been mentioned but what is a good test disc to use?

Good job Samsung. There is a reason I went with Samsung again.
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post #2055 of 4157
7/15/12 at 8:54am
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http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-561058/samsung-pn60e8000-picture-settings/?tag=contentBody;threadListing
To summarize the 63 pages.
Post: My plasma buzzes. Reply: Mine does not.
Post: I see flashes. Reply: I do not.
Post: My TV turns off during fades to black. Reply: Mine does not.
Post: I have DSE. Reply: Mine is crystal clear.
Post: Panny is Gods gift to man. Reply: I returned my crap Panny for a Sammy.
I think the incrementing page count will reduce exponentially by the weekend. Hopefully it will, but you never know biggrin.gif

THat about sums it up. biggrin.gif
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post #2056 of 4157
7/15/12 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by Dizzy714 View Post

So is the 7000/8000 100% identical in PQ and most importantly image processing? I ask this because I was testing out the 8000 today with an Xbox and it felt very good as far as low input lag, better than my 3 year old B650 - but I don't need a camera an stuff, so I'd like to pick up the 7000 if it is indeed identical to the 8000.
Any official input lag test results in game mode for these sets yet?

Dizzy, I had an e8000 and now and e7000, did not compare them side by side but I would say PQ is near identical. I think there are some subtle differences but it could just be set variation. For example I think the e7000 has just slightly better shadow detail. Image processing seems identical, however I think I notice a bit of flicker every now and then on the e7000 that I did not notice on the e8000. I also noticed white areas took on a very subtle pinkish hue on the e8000 but more of a bluish hue on the e7000. I think this is because of the "clear image panel" feature the e8000 has where it uses a filter to supposedly improve text from all angles. Without a side by side comparison, can't really tell if this feature matters. My e7000 happens to buzz much much less than the e8000. I didn't game on either but would imagine performance is the same. Hope this helps, good luck.
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post #2057 of 4157
7/15/12 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

Greeting all.
Well, I just bought a 60E7000 this last Friday.
LOVE IT!
Picture is fantastic and I can't really hear any buzz. Maybe I have a "bad" set as it seems like 90% here have the "buzz" issue. I can only imagine how many people have returned this set. Must be literally in the thousands.
I upgrade from a Samsung HL-S5687W 56" DLP. Loved the set when I got it but this new Samsung just eats it alive IMO.
I will probably be doing a bit of tweaking of it soon. I am sure its been mentioned but what is a good test disc to use?
Good job Samsung. There is a reason I went with Samsung again.

I think you've been reading too many forum threads smile.gif

You can download a test disc from this site....http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
If you don't want to/can't burn your own the DVE, Spears & Munsil and World of Wonder discs are widely used.
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post #2058 of 4157
7/15/12 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I think you've been reading too many forum threads smile.gif
You can download a test disc from this site....http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
If you don't want to/can't burn your own the DVE, Spears & Munsil and World of Wonder discs are widely used.

Thanks for the info. The Disney WOW one seems interesting.

And yeah, probably been reading to many threeads. wink.gif
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post #2059 of 4157
7/15/12 at 3:34pm
Is it possible to use 96Hz mode without "cinemasmooth" smoothing?
Edited by UnexplainedBacon - 7/15/12 at 8:31pm
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post #2060 of 4157
7/15/12 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by UnexplainedBacon View Post

Is it possible to use 96Hz mode without "cinemasmooth" smoothing?

Cinema Smooth is Samsung's name for 96Hz mode. Why activate the 96Hz mode if you don't want it to "smooth"?
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post #2061 of 4157
7/15/12 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

Dizzy, I had an e8000 and now and e7000, did not compare them side by side but I would say PQ is near identical. I think there are some subtle differences but it could just be set variation. For example I think the e7000 has just slightly better shadow detail. Image processing seems identical, however I think I notice a bit of flicker every now and then on the e7000 that I did not notice on the e8000. I also noticed white areas took on a very subtle pinkish hue on the e8000 but more of a bluish hue on the e7000. I think this is because of the "clear image panel" feature the e8000 has where it uses a filter to supposedly improve text from all angles. Without a side by side comparison, can't really tell if this feature matters. My e7000 happens to buzz much much less than the e8000. I didn't game on either but would imagine performance is the same. Hope this helps, good luck.

Thanks for your input! It sounds like I'll go with the 7000, 8000 doesn't seem worth an extra $300 to me whatsoever - but the 7000 does seem worth the extra few bucks over the 6500 for me. BUT! The price just went up at Best Buy and Frys on the 7000/8000 by $200 since last night!! The manager at Best Buy did a price check for me last night to see if the price has fluctuated any and I guess it's been firmly the same price for a month now, up until today! So now I'm in a bind. Even on some of the websites that I'm comfortable with boosted the 60" e7000 to $2000. Anybody have any idea when I should expect the $200 price drop again?
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post #2062 of 4157
7/15/12 at 8:31pm
I originally thought that "cinema smooth" meant frame interpolation (but it actually just means 96Hz with frame duplication).
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post #2063 of 4157
7/15/12 at 9:14pm
Bright copper-colored pixels.

*updated*

I'm getting them. Near the center of the screen, I have an area about 25 inches in diameter, with about 150 pixels that intermittently and inconsistently light-up very bright copper color. The pixels will either stay on or flash, and they will remain like that even when the content is paused. Oddly, they only appear when there is a flesh tone showing on the screen. I tried flashing some solid color blocks behind the trouble areas, but I can never create the issue with a non-moving image. I think it has to be flesh tone and video. The pixels are most noticeable when cell light is at 20. It begins to fade and disappear at 17. They pixels are so bright I can see them from 10 feet away without issue.

What in the world is this? It looks like stuck pixels, but they're not stuck. Do I have a faulty panel?

This is the best I could do with my crappy phone camera. The pixels are much brighter than is represented by the video below. (BTW, that's a chin and a shoulder.)

Edited by liquidsense - 7/16/12 at 2:21pm
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post #2064 of 4157
7/17/12 at 7:17am
My question is this: I have a 60" e7000 that's about a week old. It buzzes pretty loud, and every once in a while there's a static-like pop sound.

I know samsungs are known for buzzing, so I wasn't sure if you all would consider this a characteristic of the Samsung, or if itd be worth my while trying to exchange it (it's hung on he wall, and there aren't any best buys in the area that have them in stock, making it a project).
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post #2065 of 4157
7/17/12 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by gizzygone View Post

My question is this: I have a 60" e7000 that's about a week old. It buzzes pretty loud, and every once in a while there's a static-like pop sound.

I know samsungs are known for buzzing, so I wasn't sure if you all would consider this a characteristic of the Samsung, or if itd be worth my while trying to exchange it (it's hung on he wall, and there aren't any best buys in the area that have them in stock, making it a project).

Interesting. I've heard the occassional static pops but thought it was my speakers, which I also thought odd. Not concerned because I haven't heard one for a few days now. Buzzing is actually improving. Although intermittent and noticeable in complete silence, less audible than a week ago.
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post #2066 of 4157
7/17/12 at 2:36pm
I recently bought a Panasonic 65VT50 after reading the reviews and the results of the flat panel shootout. However, after spending many hours on the VT50 owners thread, I am left wondering if I made the right decision. A summary of the issues being discussed there include:
- Non-working luminance controls in the Color Management System (CMS) (but might not matter because luminance in all colors are within a "good" calibration range)
- Excessive dithering from poor sources
- Loss of sharpness when deinterlacing 1080i from poor sources (e.g., STBs); probably related to dithering above
- Less than perfect motion resolution
- Flickering at 48Hz and some minor flickering at 96Hz, but 60Hz doesn't show any judder
- 3D crosstalk at 96Hz, but ok at 48 Hz (I don't watch 3D, so doesn't matter much to me)
- Buzzing (minor - not everyone hears it/has it - I don't)
- DSE (minor - not everyone sees it/has it - I don't)

Other reports are not wide spread, so this is what I would consider real VT50 issues. Most are small and many don't even percieve any of it.

My question is: Do you guys have a similar list of "confirmed" issues with the PNXXE8000 sets (preferably 64" for a like-for-like comparisson)? I am trying to put together a list of pros and cons for objective comaprisson and make a decision to keep my VT50 or return it and get a Sammy. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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post #2067 of 4157
7/17/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

I recently bought a Panasonic 65VT50 after reading the reviews and the results of the flat panel shootout. However, after spending many hours on the VT50 owners thread, I am left wondering if I made the right decision. A summary of the issues being discussed there include:
- Non-working luminance controls in the Color Management System (CMS) (but might not matter because luminance in all colors are within a "good" calibration range)
- Excessive dithering from poor sources
- Loss of sharpness when deinterlacing 1080i from poor sources (e.g., STBs); probably related to dithering above
- Less than perfect motion resolution
- Flickering at 48Hz and some minor flickering at 96Hz, but 60Hz doesn't show any judder
- 3D crosstalk at 96Hz, but ok at 48 Hz (I don't watch 3D, so doesn't matter much to me)
- Buzzing (minor - not everyone hears it/has it - I don't)
- DSE (minor - not everyone sees it/has it - I don't)
Other reports are not wide spread, so this is what I would consider real VT50 issues. Most are small and many don't even percieve any of it.
My question is: Do you guys have a similar list of "confirmed" issues with the PNXXE8000 sets (preferably 64" for a like-for-like comparisson)? I am trying to put together a list of pros and cons for objective comaprisson and make a decision to keep my VT50 or return it and get a Sammy. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

The 3 most discussed issues are
-Buzzing (mine is very minor)
- Brightness Pops - Screen brightness will rapidly fluctuate with light content (hockey, sky, bright scenes in movies (major issue for me)
- Panel fades to black - If brightness is too low and no content is on the screen, sometimes the panel will too quickly "turn off" or more accurately re-sync with the input source. (has happened very infrequently for me)
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post #2068 of 4157
7/17/12 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

I recently bought a Panasonic 65VT50 after reading the reviews and the results of the flat panel shootout. However, after spending many hours on the VT50 owners thread, I am left wondering if I made the right decision. A summary of the issues being discussed there include:
- Non-working luminance controls in the Color Management System (CMS) (but might not matter because luminance in all colors are within a "good" calibration range)
- Excessive dithering from poor sources
- Loss of sharpness when deinterlacing 1080i from poor sources (e.g., STBs); probably related to dithering above
- Less than perfect motion resolution
- Flickering at 48Hz and some minor flickering at 96Hz, but 60Hz doesn't show any judder
- 3D crosstalk at 96Hz, but ok at 48 Hz (I don't watch 3D, so doesn't matter much to me)
- Buzzing (minor - not everyone hears it/has it - I don't)
- DSE (minor - not everyone sees it/has it - I don't)
Other reports are not wide spread, so this is what I would consider real VT50 issues. Most are small and many don't even percieve any of it.
My question is: Do you guys have a similar list of "confirmed" issues with the PNXXE8000 sets (preferably 64" for a like-for-like comparisson)? I am trying to put together a list of pros and cons for objective comaprisson and make a decision to keep my VT50 or return it and get a Sammy. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
The 3 most discussed issues are
-Buzzing (mine is very minor)
- Brightness Pops - Screen brightness will rapidly fluctuate with light content (hockey, sky, bright scenes in movies (major issue for me)
- Panel fades to black - If brightness is too low and no content is on the screen, sometimes the panel will too quickly "turn off" or more accurately re-sync with the input source. (has happened very infrequently for me)

Is that it?! eek.gif Doesn't sound like much given all we're seeing with the VT50... Also considering that the main advantage of the VT50 over the PNXXE8000 is black level. eek.gifeek.gif
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post #2069 of 4157
7/17/12 at 3:24pm
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Is that it?! eek.gif Doesn't sound like much given all we're seeing with the VT50... Also considering that the main advantage of the VT50 over the PNXXE8000 is black level. eek.gifeek.gif

The superior black levels on the Pannys is pretty much a given. Most folks seem to acknowledge that however the Samsung has superior video processing which really makes it a joy to watch (clean sharp image). Overall the black levels are not that bad, I think shadow detail is where the Panny really trumps it.
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post #2070 of 4157
7/17/12 at 3:48pm
It's strange regarding the brightness pops. I've watched a Stanley Cup playoff game that I have recorded and not really noticed the pops. Same with The Artist. Very bright black and white scenes and nary an issue. I would say some people are more sensitive than others.
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