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post #2401 of 4160
8/23/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by ONUOsFan View Post

I must be doing something wrong then, because mine shuts off after a few minutes.
Looking around for some good picture settings... Just got my 7000 and it's my first plasma. Most settings I've seen online are using movie mode, but I'm not crazy about the way it looks.... It seems very orange to me. Also pretty dim, especially during the day (my set is in a room with a lot of windows). I don't want to "torch" my panel, but if anyone has any ideas do settings that are a little better for bright rooms than, say, the CNET settings, it would be appreciated.
Also, any "limits" I should be aware of for the first couple hundred hours in terms of cell light, contrast, etc to avoid any burn in issues? Haven't seen anything yet that didn't fade within a few seconds of watching something else, so I'm not overly concerned about it, but don't want to do anything stupid either. I've been playing with my settings a lot, but right now I'm on standard mode, 13 cell light, 85 contrast and pretty much everything else default.
Go into to your eco setting and make sure the timer is off, if you are running scrolling bars the set considers it "No Signal" and will shut off to conserve energy. I was having a similar issues and Samsung tech said my set was over heating and may need serviced.
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8/23/12 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by ONUOsFan View Post

I must be doing something wrong then, because mine shuts off after a few minutes.
Looking around for some good picture settings... Just got my 7000 and it's my first plasma. Most settings I've seen online are using movie mode, but I'm not crazy about the way it looks.... It seems very orange to me. Also pretty dim, especially during the day (my set is in a room with a lot of windows). I don't want to "torch" my panel, but if anyone has any ideas do settings that are a little better for bright rooms than, say, the CNET settings, it would be appreciated.
Also, any "limits" I should be aware of for the first couple hundred hours in terms of cell light, contrast, etc to avoid any burn in issues? Haven't seen anything yet that didn't fade within a few seconds of watching something else, so I'm not overly concerned about it, but don't want to do anything stupid either. I've been playing with my settings a lot, but right now I'm on standard mode, 13 cell light, 85 contrast and pretty much everything else default.
If it is too warm simply set it to (warm1) adds a little blue to color temp or (standard) which is blue green I think it is in the menu.
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8/23/12 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by ONUOsFan View Post

Thanks, I'll try that. My scroll turns off after a while even with no input, so I'm not sure what's up with that. I turned it on, set the remote down and did other things, and it was off in 10 minutes. It actually turns the set completely off.
I should have mentioned that I spend a lot of time playing games of various types... They all have static images, but they're never on the screen for more than a few minutes straight, because every time I die or whatever, they go off until I respawn... I'd say the longest one thing is on screen is 10 minutes, and that's not common. I have all of the burn in protections turned on.
Go into to your eco setting and make sure the timer is off, if you are running scrolling bars the set considers it "No Signal" and will shut off to conserve energy. I was having a similar issues and Samsung tech said my set was over heating and may need serviced.
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post #2404 of 4160
8/23/12 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by strong island 1 View Post

I'm not trying to bash this tv because I love it and I don't want anyone to think it's bad but I have a question.
If anybody here could switch the 60e7000 for a 55" vt50 for no extra money would anyone do it?
The vt50 would be the only tv I would switch this tv for and I can't decide on which one I should pick. I have to decide by tommorrow.

It really depends on what matters to you most. The VT50 without question has better black levels, shadow detail and goes brighter. Colors are really a matter of preference as they are both very good. But the VT50 is not perfect; its video processing is average and has ineffective noise reduction. Take a look at the latest posts on the ST/GT/VT forums and people are looking to add external video processors to improve softness, noise reduction, dithering etc. I had a VT50 for a short while and this is a real issue with anything but the best quality source material. If you watch a lot of cable, you will notice this coming from a Samsung. If you watch mostly high-quality content I'd say the VT50 has the edge. Although I've never done it myself, many folks say it's not that easy to go to a smaller set once you've had a larger one in the same viewing area. Hope this helps a bit.
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8/23/12 at 6:02pm
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It really depends on what matters to you most. The VT50 without question has better black levels, shadow detail and goes brighter. Colors are really a matter of preference as they are both very good. But the VT50 is not perfect; its video processing is average and has ineffective noise reduction. Take a look at the latest posts on the ST/GT/VT forums and people are looking to add external video processors to improve softness, noise reduction, dithering etc. I had a VT50 for a short while and this is a real issue with anything but the best quality source material. If you watch a lot of cable, you will notice this coming from a Samsung. If you watch mostly high-quality content I'd say the VT50 has the edge. Although I've never done it myself, many folks say it's not that easy to go to a smaller set once you've had a larger one in the same viewing area. Hope this helps a bit.
I noticed that the ST50 had an issue with 720p material especially gaming, when most games will claim 720p and will actually be 540p like Alan wake, Halo 3/ODST/Reach. You will see what looks like an oil painting look to the picture which may be posterization? I haven't seen any of this on the Samsung running the content mentioned above. I can't speak for cable my E7000 is strictly blu-ray/gaming.
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8/23/12 at 7:17pm
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It really depends on what matters to you most. The VT50 without question has better black levels, shadow detail and goes brighter. Colors are really a matter of preference as they are both very good. But the VT50 is not perfect; its video processing is average and has ineffective noise reduction. Take a look at the latest posts on the ST/GT/VT forums and people are looking to add external video processors to improve softness, noise reduction, dithering etc. I had a VT50 for a short while and this is a real issue with anything but the best quality source material. If you watch a lot of cable, you will notice this coming from a Samsung. If you watch mostly high-quality content I'd say the VT50 has the edge. Although I've never done it myself, many folks say it's not that easy to go to a smaller set once you've had a larger one in the same viewing area. Hope this helps a bit.

Ya all my cable channels look amazing on this tv. HBO is almost blu ray quality at times. It does have a very clean picture. I guess I was also expecting to be blown away by the black levels. I came from a edge lit sony nx810 but in a completely dark room the blacks don't seem that dark without crushing them. I think maybe I was expecting too much.
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post #2407 of 4160
8/24/12 at 1:11am
I notice on my e7000 when I stand close to the tv I see dithering,like dancing colored pixels,they disappear from a distance,i know this is common for plasma do u see dithering up close on your e7000
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post #2408 of 4160
8/24/12 at 1:38am
You always see flaws up close...look in the mirror . wink.gif

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8/24/12 at 2:43am
Yes, I know this is a UK review and you cannot compare white levels to the US. In the UK the maximum luminance is competitive with similar Panasonics as both companies restrict luminance levels there due to, I suppose, EU regulations regarding energy consumption. There were even articles talking about banning plasmas in the EU some 3 years ago (eg here http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/eu-to-ban-plasma-televisions-in-battle-against-climate-change-14136817.html).

That being said, why I am posting this is to point out the issue of black levels with the smaller Samsungs and I believe that, unlike the white levels (where larger North American Samsungs are brighter than their European counterparts but dimmer than the Panasonics) the black levels will be roughly equivalent. Simply put, a Samsung E6500/E7000/E8000 in 60" or larger will have an mll (minimum light level) half or less than that of the 51". I essentially knew that but this just confirms it.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-E6500-PS-51E6500-60E6500-3D-Plasma-Smart-TV-Review_356/Review.html
Edited by PeterG - 8/24/12 at 2:51am
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post #2410 of 4160
8/24/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

It doesn't matter.
The E series 6500 and up use the new 'Pro' panel.
The 'Pro' panel blows the doors off last years panel.
Besides it's not just the panel itself but also a big
software upgrade and with the E8000 even more so.

Ah, but it DOES matter to me, and many others. I've spent quite a bit of time with an E and no doors have been blown off, that's just silly fanboy talk. You seem to love the hype they generate each year with these vague panel descriptions, yet Samsung clearly uses these to confuse the consumer more than anything else. Clearly it works wink.gif.
Consumer Reports is fine for product comparisons, but they're just using the marketing terminology Samsung supplies. Additionally, there was a major drop in panel quality at the end of the D series due to peeling which resulted in a much less effective AR filter (photos have been posted after peeling panel replacements). Most of us who bought D did so early on, so do not have that panel.
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8/24/12 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

Ah, but it DOES matter to me, and many others. I've spent quite a bit of time with an E and no doors have been blown off, that's just silly fanboy talk. You seem to love the hype they generate each year with these vague panel descriptions, yet Samsung clearly uses these to confuse the consumer more than anything else. Clearly it works wink.gif.
Consumer Reports is fine for product comparisons, but they're just using the marketing terminology Samsung supplies. Additionally, there was a major drop in panel quality at the end of the D series due to peeling which resulted in a much less effective AR filter (photos have been posted after peeling panel replacements). Most of us who bought D did so early on, so do not have that panel.

Ugh, this doesn't sound good for what I'm hoping turns into an E series replacement from Samsung. My D series is borderline unwatchable now for almost anything but sports so it's disappointing to hear that the E series will be a step down from the PQ I once had with my D series.

Also, sonyfan - shouldn't you change your name? samsungfan would seem to fit better since you are always on here hyping their products.
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post #2412 of 4160
8/24/12 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

if you press any button on the remote it will turn off.

I ran my E450 flat out from day one.
movie mode, cell light 20,
contrast 100 for daytime
brighness 50 for daytime.
mixed up the STB programing, no games.
limited time with black bars.
no problems what so ever.
left it on 10 days straight.
overnight HD channels on ID and Tru.
Try this. I've had only positive feedback.
Shadow detail is finally looking normal.
Mode - Movie
Cell Light 20
Sharpness 0
Size - Screen Fit
Brightness 50 daytime / 40 for evening and 35 to 30 for a dark room
Contrast 100 daytime / 97 for evening and 95 to 90 for a dark room
Color 51
R/G Tint 50/50
Color Space - Native
Gamma -1 for night (0 for daytime
Dynamic Contrast - off
Black Tone - Darkest
Flesh Tone - 0
Color Tone - Warm1
Digital Noise Filter - Off
White Balance Calibration
RO - 21
GO - 25
BO - 22
RG - 20
GG - 25
BG - 23

You should be dropping blue gain way more than you are here. These settings will give the artificial blue-whites that people have been conditioned to prefer, but which are nowhere near accurate and really destroy the mood of many films.
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post #2413 of 4160
8/24/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Ugh, this doesn't sound good for what I'm hoping turns into an E series replacement from Samsung. My D series is borderline unwatchable now for almost anything but sports so it's disappointing to hear that the E series will be a step down from the PQ I once had with my D series.
Also, sonyfan - shouldn't you change your name? samsungfan would seem to fit better since you are always on here hyping their products.

No worries, it's still a great TV. I'm just tired of his obsession with this BS "pro" filter terminology - he's posted all over the place about it..
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8/24/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Ugh, this doesn't sound good for what I'm hoping turns into an E series replacement from Samsung. My D series is borderline unwatchable now for almost anything but sports so it's disappointing to hear that the E series will be a step down from the PQ I once had with my D series.
Also, sonyfan - shouldn't you change your name? samsungfan would seem to fit better since you are always on here hyping their products.

the E series is a step down from the D, how do you figure that?
do you seriously think there are no improvements in this years models?
please explain if you can.
They added a AR filter to the top models and they call it a 'Pro' real black filter.
that's what Samsung calls it. what do you want them to call it. the peel free panel?
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8/24/12 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

You should be dropping blue gain way more than you are here. These settings will give the artificial blue-whites that people have been conditioned to prefer, but which are nowhere near accurate and really destroy the mood of many films.

I turned the BG and BO down to 20. I'll let you know the results.
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8/24/12 at 11:04am
Cant wait till tomorrow morning, when ir eceive my replacement e7000 60" incher. Ill wath some stuff tongiht to comapre with the ones thats egttign replaces e8000 51".

All that I ahoping for is that the LARGER screen iproves my 3D viewing enjoyment.... and what better flick to do thsi with that... THE AVENGERS smile.gif

Ill report over the weekend, or next week smile.gif

(not that anyone cares if i report or not) :P
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8/24/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

I turned the BG and BO down to 20. I'll let you know the results.


Without a meter, playing with the advanced settings is futile. If you have no reference source and a meter to measure the results, you are doing nothing more than "adjusting" the picture to your preference. You are not "calibrating" to any color or grayscale specification.

That being said, without the meter, the Warm2 temperature with no changes to the offsets, gains, and 10 point controls is closest to the international film and TV industries standard.

Larry
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8/24/12 at 5:56pm
Does anyone know if the PN64E8000 set has day and night mode settings in the service menu? I know some of the LED models have this feature but not sure about my model. I called Samsung and they didn't even know what I was talking about. They escalated the question to level 2 support but of course they never called me. Second time that support was supposed to call me about an issue and they never did.

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8/24/12 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

Does anyone know if the PN64E8000 set has day and night mode settings in the service menu? I know some of the LED models have this feature but not sure about my model. I called Samsung and they didn't even know what I was talking about. They escalated the question to level 2 support but of course they never called me. Second time that support was supposed to call me about an issue and they never did.
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Hopefully they will tell you to stay the hell out of the service menu..............
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8/24/12 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Hopefully they will tell you to stay the hell out of the service menu..............
I don't plan on accessing the service menu; strictly want to know for calibration purposes.
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8/24/12 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

I don't plan on accessing the service menu; strictly want to know for calibration purposes.


Yes, these models do have CAL Day and Night modes -- but the point is that in order to activate them you must do so from within the service menu. At your level, I suggest that you do not attempt this. Do some more research first.

Also, I assume that you mean 'adjustment purposes' not 'calibration purposes.' smile.gif

Larry
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8/25/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Yes, these models do have CAL Day and Night modes -- but the point is that in order to activate them you must do so from within the service menu. At your level, I suggest that you do not attempt this. Do some more research first.
Also, I assume that you mean 'adjustment purposes' not 'calibration purposes.' smile.gif
Larry
In other words a professional calibrator can activate these modes and then calibrate day and night mode, correct? By the way I have no intensions of going anywhere near the service menu.
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post #2423 of 4160
8/25/12 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

FYI
Sound and Vision has a great review on the E8000 in the Sept. 2012 issue.
Home Theatre Mag has a glowing review of the E7000 in the Aug. 2012 issue.
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I just had a look at the E8000 review of Sound and Vision now (It only became available online for non-subscribers a couple of days ago). For those who don't subscribe to the mag, here is the link. Very similar to the CNET review with a bit higher maximum luminance figure of 33 fL. Still, seems not able to go bright enough for me to be used in a reasonably well-lit room. I am really starting to rethink my PNExxxx purchasing idea.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/test-report-samsung-pn60e8000-3d-plasma-hdtv?page=0,0

Edit: Chad B got a fair bit brighter at 38 fL but still.
Edited by PeterG - 8/25/12 at 8:16am
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8/25/12 at 9:25am
Anyone know what the new firmware on the e7000 realesed yesterday was for??8/24
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8/25/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Cev214 View Post

Anyone know what the new firmware on the e7000 realesed yesterday was for??8/24

If you create an account on the Samsung website and register your TV they will extend the factory warranty for 3 months. You can also check that site for software and firmware update information. I'm not sure how accurate the information is though. The improvement descriptions don't really change much from one release to another.

This firmware is for TV Model(s): PN**E7000 and PN**E8000.
The version is 1033.6
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Supports Angry Birds App.

- Improves performance of Smart Hub

- Adds print function in photo applications such as the Photo function of AllShare Play or Picasa.

- Supports Samsung Wireless Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500

- Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch.

- Improves picture quality.

- Enhances Voice Recognition feature.

- Change the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''
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8/25/12 at 11:25am
Thanks for the info
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8/25/12 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

In other words a professional calibrator can activate these modes and then calibrate day and night mode, correct? By the way I have no intensions of going anywhere near the service menu.


It does not require a professional calibrator to do this. Anyone with a technical background can do it. Anyone able to follow instructions properly can do it.


Larry
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8/25/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Hello,
Just thought I would post my experience with my 64" E8000 thus far also someone who owned a 65" VT50. But the posterization was too much for me on some material. And the color is not as good as reviewed with an RGB source.

May I please ask what you mean with a "RGB-source", or rather, what you use to output RGB? Do you mean a HTPC perhaps, well, at least a computer?
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8/25/12 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by ferl View Post

If you create an account on the Samsung website and register your TV they will extend the factory warranty for 3 months. You can also check that site for software and firmware update information. I'm not sure how accurate the information is though. The improvement descriptions don't really change much from one release to another.
This firmware is for TV Model(s): PN**E7000 and PN**E8000.
The version is 1033.6
This firmware update will improve the following:
- Supports Angry Birds App.
- Improves performance of Smart Hub
- Adds print function in photo applications such as the Photo function of AllShare Play or Picasa.
- Supports Samsung Wireless Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500
- Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch.
- Improves picture quality.
- Enhances Voice Recognition feature.
- Change the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''
I am updating, but am curious what PQ improvements are in it?
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8/25/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I am updating, but am curious what PQ improvements are in it?

That information is from the Samsung web site. I don't know anything more than that. The firmware updates always state "picture improvement". Of all the updates I've applied from my C series and now the E series, I've never actually noticed an actual improvement.
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