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Originally Posted by Trackman View Post

I spent considerable time viewing the 7000, 8000 and VT50 at two different Magnolias (all in Movie or THX mode). I saw no differences between the 7000 and 8000. On the other hand, the VT50 was markedly different in certain respects.

I agree. We ended up with the 7000 mainly because we had privacy concerns about the camera and thought the Pannys looked grainy, even with the same blu-ray source connected directly to the set. The CNET inadvertent IR testing of the Samsung and Panasonic plasmas also was a mark in Samsung's favor.

-Ted
post #3002 of 4279
Has anyone noticed the "flashing smart hub logo" shortly after turning on the tv? In addition sometimes I have my picture jumping a few pixels.. Last night I was watching a movie on Amazon prime app and the tv literally went black and rebooted ie showed smart hub logo and then went right back to the movie eek.gif

After doing some research on the flashing smart hub logo and jitter, it seems to be related to a software update and the SYNCPLUS app..
post #3003 of 4279
Are these current plasma sets (namely our 7000 & 8000s) more or less compatible with future 48fps movies if we get that option in the near future? I know the sub field 600hz w/e for plasmas isn't the same as an LCD's refresh rate, but how will that effect a native 48fps Bluray movie playback?

I am loving the PQ of my e8000, but I plan on exchanging it for a 60" e7000 if/when they go on sale again. I'm hoping to have better luck with the buzzing (which has returned) and IR on the larger 60" panel. If the 240hz LEDs (namely ES7100 &ES7500) are better for possible 48fps movies I'm fine with spending extra cash on the added future proof-ness.

TBH, I am still deathly affraid of ruining this plasma by something as silly as falling asleep with ESPN on. I may just go with an LED to put my nerves at ease, but I dont' want to. lol
post #3004 of 4279
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Different, but did you prefer the VT50?

No. It had somewhat deeper blacks but much less detail/clarity. Color fidelity was a toss up. Since I had read several reviews saying the Sammys have better 3D, it was an easy choice to save the $$ and go with the 7000.
Mine will be ISF calibrated later this week - I'll post the results.
post #3005 of 4279
I was at a Best Buy yesterday and the sales guy was saying that the 7000 and 8000 series Samsungs and the VT level Panasonic had screens (I believe the actual word he used was "glass") made my Pioneer. He said that was why they were less subject to reflections. I can't find any mention of Pioneer making screens for Samsung, or that the screens of these plasmas have something unique to them related to Pioneer. Was this guy blowing smoke or is there some facts to substantiate this? I'm really close to buying the E7000, my first plasma. Just trying to sort out the details.

Thanks.
post #3006 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

You get really fired up about tv's. You don't get out much? I think you need to calm yourself down. Yes, I don't know a lot about TV's and their technology, but that is why I, like so many others, research the internet to inform myself. Learning every day, especially hear on AVS. Didn't know I had to have a high level of knowledge before I was allowed to discuss and ask questions. Is there some test that I need to pass so that I won't be "way over my head"? What I am seeing on my tv is not camera flashes, and yes I am very picky, (especially with a $2000 tv!) however my family and most friends are the complete opposite and they notice it. I mentioned camera flashes because through my research that is what others say it is. Again, I completely disagree. That is why I brought this to this forum, to discuss and hopefully get some helpful input from other members. My bad, I guess I was mistaken that that was the purpose of public internet forums. So thank you for being a complete douche bag. It really helped me and others who may be having this same issue.
Lol, sounds like you are getting fired up about TVs. I notice the flashing too during the game. It is from cameras/lighting.

I watched a few minutes of a Lakers game and before they went to commercial they showed a full view of the inside of the arena. There were two very distinct, very bright flashes at this moment, in addition to the numerous flashes while they were playing, that originated from the arena lights. I know this because they both originated from the exact same spot as an enlarging star shape before the screen briefly flashed. I rewound it a few times to be sure. Why an arena would do this? Beats me.

I cross referenced my LED which is not a Samsung and they were all there. I promise your friends and family would see it on their TVs as well. It is probably arena specific. Watch a small college basketball game and I doubt they will be there. Now let's please move past this topic so you do not influence other people into thinking this is a problematical issue with these TVs.

I do not hold your question about flashes against you at all. I just think you should research what ABL is before commenting that it is a Samsung thing that also affects your LCD, which they should eliminate.
Edited by Icon13 - 12/8/12 at 9:40pm
post #3007 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

I have the 60 e7000 and I get the annoying flashes not only with hockey, but with basketball as well. College and Pro. It's constant, almost every 3-5 seconds, depending on the camera angle. Funny thing is I have a 4 year old Samsung LCD, and after noticing the flashing on my new e7000, I checked the old LCD and it does it on that one as well. Never noticed during the 4 years I watched it, however now that I notice it, it annoys the hell out of me. When I googled the issue, other people complained of this issue, but on Panasonic sets. Is this something that could be fixed with a software update? Don't watch hockey, but I watch a lot of basketball, and it still bothers me that it does it with hockey. I know some people say that it is from camera and light flashes from within the arena, and that screws up the cameras filming the event, however I don't know how valid this is since it doesn't happen to all sets.

I was wondering when the "hockey horror picture show" discussion would be revived. biggrin.gif
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Very happy with my PN51E7000. As I mentioned before, only changed 2 settings with the Standard mode and I find the picture outstanding (for my viewing). Watched The Dark Knight Rises on Bluray and was amazed. Almost blown away by the clearity and depth of How To Train a Dragon 3D. No crosstalk visible. I somewhat solved my audio drop outs. Decided to to ditch HDMI audio thru the TV and have audio solely coming from Receiver using Toslink cable. No more audio drop outs.

FYI. I haven't really babied the plasma. Ran Pixel Jogger for 8 hours for 4 days while I was at work. Even during then, I watched movies with black bars and TV shows with logos. So far, no IR.

Still shot from Victoria Secret Fashion Show (Giggidy) earlier this week on Cable HD...

(flash from my Iphone is visible on her body)


Edited by slumpey - 12/8/12 at 4:10pm
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I just got a PN60E8000 about a month ago and have not had to many issues but I noticed on a few occasions it would shut off and then power back on by itself. Well, tonight it started doing it every 2 minutes or so. The remote quits working about 15 seconds before it powers off. Does anyone know what the cause is or have a fix. Resetting to factory defaults did not seem to help.
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

I was wondering when the "hockey horror picture show" discussion would be revived. biggrin.gif
I get no hockey pops on my E series. The D series was another story. What he was seeing was camera flashes anyways, the ABL pops appear totally different. Hockey pops do not make the entire screen flash as he described and I saw on my old set, camera flashes do. ABL pops just constantly change the white levels of the ice. Very annoying, it was. And I watch a lot of hockey, well when they play... GO SHARKS!
Edited by Icon13 - 12/11/12 at 12:18am
post #3011 of 4279
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Originally Posted by morpheus200 View Post

I just got a PN60E8000 about a month ago and have not had to many issues but I noticed on a few occasions it would shut off and then power back on by itself. Well, tonight it started doing it every 2 minutes or so. The remote quits working about 15 seconds before it powers off. Does anyone know what the cause is or have a fix. Resetting to factory defaults did not seem to help.

This sounds like a hardware issue. Recommend contacting Samsung for repair.
post #3012 of 4279
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Originally Posted by ncted View Post

This sounds like a hardware issue. Recommend contacting Samsung for repair.

Possibly, but being in the software business I am not convinced that this is not a software bug. I reset everything again and disabled the auto off in the ECO sensor. It has been ok so far. It could
be a bug in that last firmware update. Sadly, this TV is a warranty replacement for a lemoned LNT5271F.
post #3013 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

I get no hockey pops on my E series. The D series was another story. What he was seeing was camera flashes anyways, the ABL pops appear totally different. Hockey pops do not make the entire screen flash as he described and I saw on my set, camera flashes do. ABL pops just constantly change the white levels of the ice. Very annoying, it was. And I watch a lot of hockey, well when they play... GO SHARKS!

Have you tried disabling the ECO sensor? Just wondering if the auto screen brightness/Dim could be contributing to these screen flashes. I have not seen the issue.
post #3014 of 4279
3 issues to date (less than 2 weeks) for my PN51E7000 TV....

(1) Hockey Flash - I put on a hockey game on NHLNHD to see if this happens and sure enough every other second was the flash. From what I read, this is not an issue with the TV but is due to ceiling mounted strobes coordinated with professional photographer's flash units. I don't watch hockey but I can definitely see it to be very distracting for someone who does watch hockey. FYI, Time Warner is my cable provider.
(2) Smart TV Hub Flash - It happens about 2 minutes every time my TV turns on. It only lasts 1/2 a second so it's tolerable. Not enough for me to return/exchange the TV. If someone were to return the TV because of this, WOW.
(3) Audio cut outs when watching cable TV - Appears to be source related when running HDMI. Resolved by running Toslink audio cable to Receiver from cable box.
Edited by slumpey - 12/10/12 at 7:53am
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Hey guys just bought a 51 e7000, and was wondering if there is a hot key or a shoecut to enable and disable game mode. I hate to go through the menus to turn thst sucker on.
post #3016 of 4279
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Originally Posted by morpheus200 View Post

Have you tried disabling the ECO sensor? Just wondering if the auto screen brightness/Dim could be contributing to these screen flashes. I have not seen the issue.
yes, it is off. Furthermore, once again, these flashes are present in the source material. I will say this until I am blue in the face eek.gif This is not an issue with the TV, my LCD does it too on the same content at the same moments. The flashing is due to either cameras, or arena lighting. I suspect the latter and believe that some arenas have lights in the rafters that are synced to flash with certain photographer's cameras.

And to further prove this I am watching a replay of the NHL winter classic right now. It is not played in an arena, but a baseball stadium, so the lighting is totally different. No flashes... NOT ONE! I also watched a few small college basketball games, same result. However, large arenas with all sorts of crazy lights for the crowd to see cause identical flashes on both of my TVs (plasma and led).

If anybody wants to check for themselves, dvr a Lakers home game. They are on ESPN all the time. Cross reference your other TV sets if possible.

More info:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386798/samsung-led-picture-white-flashes

http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-62982.html

http://www.avsforum.com/t/43720/hdnet-hockey-white-flashes
Edited by Icon13 - 12/9/12 at 2:05pm
post #3017 of 4279
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Originally Posted by ncted View Post

This sounds like a hardware issue. Recommend contacting Samsung for repair.

I watched the TV all day today and had no recurrences of the off/on issue. I forgot that I also unplugged the TV while it was still on the last time. It actually locked up with the menu on the screen the so I just unplugged the TV. I think this
may be the way to do a hard reboot/power cycle. Anyway its something to try if anyone runs into problem.
post #3018 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

yes, it is off. Furthermore, once again, these flashes are present in the source material. I will say this until I am blue in the face eek.gif This is not an issue with the TV, my LCD does it too on the same content at the same moments. The flashing is due to either cameras, or arena lighting. I suspect the latter and believe that some arenas have lights in the rafters that are synced to flash with certain photographer's cameras.
And to further prove this I am watching a replay of the NHL winter classic right now. It is not played in an arena, but a baseball stadium, so the lighting is totally different. No flashes... NOT ONE! I also watched a few small college basketball games, same result. However, large arenas with all sorts of crazy lights for the crowd to see cause identical flashes on both of my TVs (plasma and led).
If anybody wants to check for themselves, dvr a Lakers home game. They are on ESPN all the time. Cross reference your other TV sets if possible.
More info:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386798/samsung-led-picture-white-flashes
http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-62982.html
http://www.avsforum.com/t/43720/hdnet-hockey-white-flashes

Yes, I agree, the first time I heard about this I thought it might just be flash photography.
post #3019 of 4279
I just got my 51E7000 in on Saturday and I absolutely love this TV. I'm definitely glad I went with this plasma over the LED LCD I initially purchased. smile.gif
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I don't watch hockey on TV often, but last night I decided to check out the 2010 NHL Classic played outdoors at Fenway Park (Philadelphia vs. Boston) last night and there was not a single flash - likely because it was outdoors and photographers strobes don't reflect like they do indoors. I've seen those flashes on regular hockey games. But I see them during basketball games too so I don't think it's some sort of function of the TV. Just photographers taking lots of pictures in an enclosed space. smile.gif
post #3021 of 4279
So, I plan on buying a colorimeter at some point, but until then here are my settings for the PN64E7000 as per Disney WOW blu-ray:

Picture Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 20
(using 20 here and using a lower contrast value helps tame ABL a bit)

Contrast: 87
(88 caused white hashes through the ideal white on the clipping pattern)

Brightness: 43
(lowest setting in which the 1% star was barely visible)

Sharpness: 6
(7 caused artifacts on sharpness pattern)

Color: 49

Tint: G51/R49

Dynamic Contrast: off

Black Tone: off

Flesh Tone: 0

Color Space: auto

White Balance: untouched

10 pt WB: off

Gamma: 0

XvYCC: off

Color Tone: Warm2

Both Noise Filters: off
post #3022 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

So, I plan on buying a colorimeter at some point, but until then here are my settings for the PN64E7000 as per Disney WOW blu-ray:
Picture Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
(using 20 here and using a lower contrast value helps tame ABL a bit)
Contrast: 87
(88 caused white hashes through the ideal white on the clipping pattern)
Brightness: 43
(lowest setting in which the 1% star was barely visible)
Sharpness: 6
(7 caused artifacts on sharpness pattern)
Color: 49
Tint: G51/R49
Dynamic Contrast: off
Black Tone: off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: auto
White Balance: untouched
10 pt WB: off
Gamma: 0
XvYCC: off
Color Tone: Warm2
Both Noise Filters: off

Trying these settings out right now with The Avengers 3D.
post #3023 of 4279
I get the flash too on my PN51E7000. Today is the last day to return it. I am going to keep it and hope it gets fixed on the next update.
post #3024 of 4279
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Originally Posted by tbris84 View Post

Trying these settings out right now with The Avengers 3D.
No, don't do that. These settings are for 2D only. 3D settings will be totally different because 3D compensates for the fact that you are watching through tinted glasses. Leave 3D at default. Besides CNET, I believe it was, said 3D movie mode is fairly accurate. I will attempt a 3D calibration and post, but from what I have read, 3D settings are more difficult to get accurately.
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

No, don't do that. These settings are for 2D only. 3D settings will be totally different because 3D compensates for the fact that you are watching through tinted glasses. Leave 3D at default. Besides CNET, I believe it was, said 3D movie mode is fairly accurate. I will attempt a 3D calibration and post, but from what I have read, 3D settings are more difficult to get accurately.

2D Avengers it is then, lol.
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If the "flash" you are referring to is during hockey/baskeball games, it is not a problem with the TV but the source itself. The flash is caused by ceiling mounted strobes coordinated with professional photographer's flash units.

Do NOT return the TV. You will experience the same "flash" with any LCD/PLASMA. It's been referenced in this thread and also in various other threads on this Forum.
Edited by slumpey - 12/11/12 at 8:48am
post #3027 of 4279
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Originally Posted by slumpey View Post

If the "flash" you are referring to is during hockey/baskeball games, it is not a problem with the TV but the source itself. The flash is caused by ceiling mounted strobes coordinated with professional photographer's flash units.
Do NOT return the TV. You will experience the same "flash" with any LCD/PLASMA.

That's very interesting. I learned something today. Thanks!
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For all of you buzzers out there. Some say they hear it, and some say not. All of these TVs buzz. The buzzing is a directional sound and is affected by the acoustics of the room and how & where your TV is positioned. At my home I cannot hear it at all unless I walk to the kitchen (which is connected to the living room) and turn my head perpendicular to the TV. From there I can I can hear a distinct buzz coming from the set. If I turn my head a few degrees in either direction it goes away. However, I cannot hear this from any normal viewing position. Of course, this experience is specific to how my living room is set up, so results will vary.

To remedy this issue try rearranging your living room around a bit, and positioning your TV either higher or lower. Find the sweet spot (or unfind the unsweet spot smile.gif ) and the noise will go away. I have enjoyed the comical posts for people who keep exchanging buzzing sets over the months. Now you know the truth. I hope this helps.
post #3029 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

For all of you buzzers out there. Some say they hear it, and some say not. All of these TVs buzz. The buzzing is a directional sound and is affected by the acoustics of the room and how & where your TV is positioned. At my home I cannot hear it at all unless I walk to the kitchen (which is connected to the living room) and turn my head perpendicular to the TV. From there I can I can hear a distinct buzz coming from the set. If I turn my head a few degrees in either direction it goes away. However, I cannot hear this from any normal viewing position. Of course, this experience is specific to how my living room is set up, so results will vary.
To remedy this issue try rearranging your living room around a bit, and positioning your TV either higher or lower. Find the sweet spot (or unfind the unsweet spot smile.gif ) and the noise will go away. I have enjoyed the comical posts for people who keep exchanging buzzing sets over the months. Now you know the truth. I hope this helps.

Your "remedy" begs the question of why one should have to rearrange the living room or position the TV higher or lower to address the buzzing issue. The annoying directional buzzing that some people experience (including myself) should not be existent, period. The three PN64E8000's I went through all had directional buzzing that hit the viewer front and center at eye / ear level . . . and the TV fits in a custom built-in space for an ideal viewing position, so no adjustments as you suggested were possible -- even assuming I thought that was a reasonable solution. Fortunately, the 65VT50 fit in the space and I have had no directional buzzing issues with that TV. I can't speak for others - although I'm sure they would agree as to their situation - but my experience with the buzzing and subsequent TV exchanges was anything but comical.
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Hi everyone, I have a PN64E8000 that I completely love absolutely no problems. Purchased it back in May and no buzzing well not enough to drive me nuts like some others have reported . My Picture settings that I use are from CNET which I think are pretty good. Now for my question, I have an Xbox 360 and have it on game mode settings. Just realized I was able to tweak some picture settings. Has any one calibrated the picture settings for game mode. ? Thank you
Edited by SeanD12 - 12/13/12 at 9:51am
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