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post #3211 of 4279
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

Your television's aspect ratio (AR) is 16:9, or 1.78:1. In other words, a screen that runs 48 inches across would run 27 inches downward. This AR will still have letterboxes on any content that has a greater aspect ratio, such as:
1.85:1
2.35:1
2.39:1
2.40:1
Check your movies that you've played with the letterboxes, and you'll probably see that it has one of the following aspect ratios.
I also don't believe that you can fill the screen with the 2.35-2.40 films. At least, I don't think you can zoom like that with Blu-rays on HDMI. If you change from Screen Fit to 16:9, you can cut off the small black bars on 1.85:1 films. The only films that won't have any black bars are ones set to 1.78:1.

Thank you. So that is the issue. If I am watching primarily movies, is a plasma a bad choice because I will always have the letterboxes and won't use the screen evenly?
post #3212 of 4279
Most of my favorite movies are 1.85:1, or non 1.78:1, as well. First night I got my TV I watched about an hour of Star Trek. It's a favorite of mine and I wanted to check out the PQ. smile.gif. No harm done.

We watch more cable programming than Blu Rays so the TV gets a workout. I showed my wife how to stretch the PSize if a 4:3 movie for my son comes on (he won't care). Will be on football most of the day today. Flipping back and forth between channels a little.

I've streamed pictures from my Apple TV, tried some 3D movies, watched cartoons, browsed the web. Played about 2 hours (wild man, wild) of xBox. All good. The one thing that gives me the most, very temporary, IR is the Amazon logo when searching around for content on Amazon Prime. It always goes away though. smile.gif

Like you, I've got enough worries in life without worrying about whether a paused image gets burned onto my new TV for crying out loud. smile.gif

So far, so good. Try a 1.85:1 movie and see what you think. I don't notice anything. If you only watched them all day long, YMMV.

My TV is usually set in Movie Mode. Cell light 18, contrast 97, sharpness 20-30. I've varied between screen fit and 16:9 depending whether I want the PQ or the IR protection (doesn't work in Screen Fit). I use different settings when watching BR movies (BD wise/custom).

Just some advice from the Village Idiot....
Edited by boondongle - 12/30/12 at 11:51am
post #3213 of 4279
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Originally Posted by LTE15 View Post

Thank you. So that is the issue. If I am watching primarily movies, is a plasma a bad choice because I will always have the letterboxes and won't use the screen evenly?

An LCD might be a better choice if this issue will be a constant source of stress. Some of us find comfort in "Voodoo" and others are ensconced in a "RDF" wink.gif I have no concerns with letterbox, network bugs and scrolling banners. I have no issues with IR. Not even "slight IR that doesn't last long". I pause content for 5 to 10 minutes without issue. I've found the display to present a better image at 1000 hours than it did at 200 hours. I do watch an assortment of content that does not fill the screen.

I think you might be unnecessarily concerned, but that might be the voodoo influence. Don't rely upon voodoo as an assurance of remedy. Nothing can provide a more effective influence than a solid RDF.
post #3214 of 4279
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Originally Posted by ferl View Post

An LCD might be a better choice if this issue will be a constant source of stress. Some of us find comfort in "Voodoo" and others are ensconced in a "RDF" wink.gif I have no concerns with letterbox, network bugs and scrolling banners. I have no issues with IR. Not even "slight IR that doesn't last long". I pause content for 5 to 10 minutes without issue. I've found the display to present a better image at 1000 hours than it did at 200 hours. I do watch an assortment of content that does not fill the screen.
I think you might be unnecessarily concerned, but that might be the voodoo influence. Don't rely upon voodoo as an assurance of remedy. Nothing can provide a more effective influence than a solid RDF.

Well, I guess we will see how much of a source of stress it may be over the next couple of weeks. I have a little under 30 days to return it if I decide to do so, but I really don't want to do that, especially based on issues that I hope will never materialize. I do believe that plasma currently provides the best picture quality/value ratio and that I would have to spend far more money on an LCD to get something of close to comparable quality.
post #3215 of 4279
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Originally Posted by LTE15 View Post

Well, I guess we will see how much of a source of stress it may be over the next couple of weeks. I have a little under 30 days to return it if I decide to do so, but I really don't want to do that, especially based on issues that I hope will never materialize. I do believe that plasma currently provides the best picture quality/value ratio and that I would have to spend far more money on an LCD to get something of close to comparable quality.

We have 2 plasma displays and 3 LCD's in the house and plasma is my preference. You can't turn my wife loose on a plasma. I've seen her pause content and come back 30 to 60 minutes later. No plasma voodoo will fix the problems that will cause.
post #3216 of 4279
Question about aspect ratios. When viewing 1.85:1 DVDs or streaming, shouldn't I have small black bars at the top and bottom of my screen? I have both my Sony Blu-ray player and my TV (PN51E7000) set to 16:9, but last night I watched a movie streaming from Amazon that has a 1.85 AR and it filled the screen completely (which worked well as I break in my set, but I am curious). My recollection is that all 1.85 content on my old Sony LCD also filled the screen.
post #3217 of 4279
*** REVISED ***

1:78:1
No horizontal black bars visible (Movie Screenshot)
Examples include Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Band of Brothers, Avatar

1:85:1
Very small horizontal black bars visible (Movie Screenshot)
Examples include Sin City, Saving Private Ryan, Adventureland

2:40:1/2:35:1
Noticeable horizontal black bars visible (Movie Screenshot)
Examples include Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows, Inglourious Basterds, The Town
Edited by slumpey - 12/31/12 at 10:44am
post #3218 of 4279
Thanks for yor response. I guess that's my confusion. I know 1.85 is close to 16:9, but I would expect to still see very small bars at top and bottom because it isn't 1.78:1 (clearly the bars would be larger for a 2.35 or 2.40 movie). I was wondering why no bars are visible at all.
post #3219 of 4279
Did you happen to change the TV aspect ratio via the remote to make it full screen?
post #3220 of 4279
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Originally Posted by slumpey View Post

Did you happen to change the TV aspect ratio via the remote to make it full screen?

I don't think so (and by the way, what setting would do that? The "wide fit"?). Is it possible because I was streaming that the aspect ratio was different than what was indicated on the DVD?
post #3221 of 4279
What Amazon movie was it? I'll try it and let you know. Feel free to PM if you prefer not to have everyone know you we're watching a girly romantic comedy. wink.gif
post #3222 of 4279
Thanks again. What exactly would the practical difference be between 16:9 and "screen fit".
post #3223 of 4279
I found this on another thread...

"Screen fit will show more of the image, but the black bars will be very slightly larger on movies that are 1:85:1 or 2:35:1. Movies that are 1:78:1 will have NO black bars on Screen fit, but using 16:9 mode you will lose the ends of the picture because it will be overscanned.

So basically if you want the full true HD picture use Screen fit, if you don't like the black bars on 1:85:1 movies use 16:9 but remember you will still have black bars with 2:35:1 and you will lose part of the picture on 1:78:1 movies"

Looking at Samsung PN51E7000 e-manual...

Picture Size

16:9 - Sets the picture to the 16:9 wide screen format
Zoom 1 - Provides moderate magnification of the picture. Sides, top, and bottom are cut off.
Zoom 2 - Provides larger magnification of the picture. Sides, top, and bottom are cut off.
Wide Fit - Enlarges the aspect ratio of the picture so it fits the entire screen.
4:3 - Sets the picture to basic (4:3) mode.
Screen Fit - When your TV inputs HDMI (720p / 1080i / 1080p) or Component (1080i / 1080p) signals, displays the full image without any cut-off.
Edited by slumpey - 12/31/12 at 10:56am
post #3224 of 4279
For one thing, 16x9 allows the anti IR features to work by slightly shifting the image around. Default is 4 pixels every 10 minutes. In the menu under Sysytem.

You'll notice a very small gap between the image and edge of the display. I use this if watching sports (with the bar at the bottom) or news channels. Probably doesn't do much, but it makes me feel better and it can't hurt. smile.gif

For movies I usually use screen fit. I think it's slightly more precise and should give a slightly, ever so slightly, sharper image on Blu Rays.
post #3225 of 4279
I've got a DirecTV HR24-200 and the blacks don't seem to get very black. On movie credit screens the black background is more of a grey than black. I saw that someone mentioned changing the HDMI level to "low" for the HR24-500 DirecTV receiver. When I go to the HDMI level it is greyed out for me. I'm coming from a KRP-500m Kuro to this unit, so maybe this is as black as it gets. I would find it hard to believe though as all the reviews said this unit had excellent black levels. Gotta be something with my settings. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
post #3226 of 4279
Black level is controlled with the brightness setting
post #3227 of 4279
I just had a "chat" with Samsung support because I was interested in their recommendations, if any, regarding break-in and burn in/ IR . As I mentioned earlier, I figure movie watching with bars is probably 80% or more of my viewing. They sent me the following link which essentially says i shouldn't be doing this more than 5% of the time.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00022612&fm_seq=22780

Are they joking? Who in their right mind buys an expensive television and then limits use in this way? I know there is a good bit of CYA going on, but if this is the manufacturer's recommendation and "party line" it seems like they don't want anyone to buy a plasma TV.

When I said to the support person that if this is right, plasma is not appropriate for most people, she said that the pixel shifting technology helps, but that black bars shouldn't be left up for "long periods of time" (whatever that is supposed to mean). Besides, I don't think pixel shifting is going to help the black bar areas, because there is no picture there.

I guess this falls in the category of "never ask a question you don't want the answer to" rolleyes.gif
post #3228 of 4279
Hey Guys - im seriously considering returning my Panasonic 60ST50 for a Samsung E8000 - but i have a few concerns

here are my concerns about the E800

1. Buzz - ive read the Samsungs buzz even more than Panasonics, on all content - and from all directions even if sitting more than 10ft away (i will be sitting 9ft away)

2. Fade to black - the E8000 turns off when it detects a completely black screen? I think theres a way to fix it (up contrast by 1 tick) - but im not sure

3. Brightness - does the 60" version suffer from brightness issues? I've read that the 64" can only hit 30fl (whatever that means) once calibrated and could not hit the target 40fl

The biggest reason is for the 3D, the ST50 has a bit of crosstalk issues - and is fixed by going 48hz - which introduces some flicker - its not as bad as 3D but theres some strain. The Panasonic has DEEP blacks..which is great - but im thinking the E8000 can at least match it if not lighter by a hair

Thanks
post #3229 of 4279
I just returned my 64e7000 for a VT50 because of buzzing problems. It was even buzzing on all black screens. I've had one non buzzer out of 4 Sammy plamas since July of last year (and that one had the screen peeling problem) before deciding on a 2011 VT30. The sammys are beautiful TVs but, I can't deal with that noise. The VT50 is whisper quiet. Best of luck to all you Samsung owners.
post #3230 of 4279
After 6 weeks of ownership I am still getting annoying IR. I was watching NFL network for maybe 30 minutes in between movies and this is how I'm rewarded when I start watching Prometheus 3D.



I watched it zoomed in for half the movie to see if it would wash away, but its still noticeable. Definitely time to return it. Very disappointing. (Buzzing is just as annoying as day one too)
post #3231 of 4279
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Originally Posted by tbris84 View Post

After 6 weeks of ownership I am still getting annoying IR. I was watching NFL network for maybe 30 minutes in between movies and this is how I'm rewarded when I start watching Prometheus 3D.

I watched it zoomed in for half the movie to see if it would wash away, but its still noticeable. Definitely time to return it. Very disappointing. (Buzzing is just
as annoying as day one too)

What size is your tv?
post #3232 of 4279
51" e8000
post #3233 of 4279
I only asked because from what I've read the 51 is more prone to ir than the larger models. If a larger model is an option it might be worth a shot. Probably would still be a buzzer, but maybe not, or at least not as bad. Hope you find something that works for you, even though you're an eagles fan. Haha. We bleed blue in our house NYG
post #3234 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

I only asked because from what I've read the 51 is more prone to ir than the larger models. If a larger model is an option it might be worth a shot. Probably would still be a buzzer, but maybe not, or at least not as bad. Hope you find something that works for you, even though you're an eagles fan. Haha. We bleed blue in our house NYG

Haha sorry to hear that (about the NYG). The 51"ers definitely have worse IR, but I'm not dropping $2000 on a tv with "better" IR that still buzzes. Next tv is either a 7series LED or waiting to see what Samsung is releasing for 2013.
post #3235 of 4279
I was geeking out last night messing with a bunch of display settings for about 20-30 minutes and noticed an afterimage of the 'HDMI 2' on screen source input title display (or whatever you'd like to call it) in the upper right hand corner. Ran the scrolling bar (for the first time) and the image was gone in under 3 minutes not too bad. Probably would have gone away by watching some full screen video….

But, here's a concern:

While playing around with this TV, I finally got around to setting up Pandora but did not see a screensaver function. Does anyone know a good way to do that? It seems like having Pandora radio playing, as a smart app is a sure fire way to do some serious IR damage. Can't believe they wouldn't build in some sort of screensaver function…
post #3236 of 4279
Hey guys just wondering if there's a significant improvement with Game Mode? The thing that bothers me is that Picture Mode ends up in Standard which bugs me to the max..
post #3237 of 4279
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Originally Posted by LaminatedMan View Post

Hey guys just wondering if there's a significant improvement with Game Mode? The thing that bothers me is that Picture Mode ends up in Standard which bugs me to the max..

Don't use game mode, use "PC" which has lower input lag (16ms) as well. (on the input selection menu, press option and change label to PC, if I remember correctly).
post #3238 of 4279
Id like to remove the ghosting on my E7000 in 3D and i've heard running in 96hz or cinema smooth mode helps with that. Where can i find either of these options? (playing movies off my computer if that matters)
post #3239 of 4279
NEODARK,

PC mode should decrease the input lag. But I don't think the E7000 or E8000 can go as low as 16ms. Atleast from what I read you would have to get the E6500 or lower end tv to obtain 16ms or lower. How did you test the input lag?
post #3240 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Bluemustang View Post

Id like to remove the ghosting on my E7000 in 3D and i've heard running in 96hz or cinema smooth mode helps with that. Where can i find either of these options? (playing movies off my computer if that matters)

There's alot of debate if 96hz cinema smooth is actually better then forcing 1080p60 for 3D. You would have to try both and judge with you eyes. To enable cinema smooth you need to make sure your computer is enabled for 1080p24 and then go to picture settings and film mode you will see a option called cinema smooth.

The ghosting your having might be from your media source. Are you using bluray 3d? or a sbs converted file? I recommend trying the same movie from a 3d bluray movie using a ps3 or another bluray player that is not your computer. For sbs you can try a media player like WD Live, atleast that is what I use and never see ghosting.

Note: I'm happy with 96hz. Looks great to me and all my friends that watch 3d at my place.
Edited by cerchiarax - 1/3/13 at 11:20am
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