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post #3241 of 4281
Well - I guess people who thought that the "Evolution Kit" slot would never have anything to plug into it were wrong!!!

I just wish it would fit into my PN59D8000!!!

http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a448263/evolution-kit-upgrades-existing-samsung-smart-tvs.html
post #3242 of 4281
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Originally Posted by ICUDoc View Post

Well - I guess people who thought that the "Evolution Kit" slot would never have anything to plug into it were wrong!!!
I just wish it would fit into my PN59D8000!!!
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a448263/evolution-kit-upgrades-existing-samsung-smart-tvs.html

Thanks. Now just watch the pessimists/Debbie downers jump in and trash this news before its even released.
post #3243 of 4281
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Originally Posted by NEODARK View Post

Don't use game mode, use "PC" which has lower input lag (16ms) as well. (on the input selection menu, press option and change label to PC, if I remember correctly).
Thanks but it bothers me that the only picture options are Standard and Entertain. Also do you guys use your same calibrated settings when gaming?
post #3244 of 4281
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Originally Posted by LaminatedMan View Post

Thanks but it bothers me that the only picture options are Standard and Entertain. Also do you guys use your same calibrated settings when gaming?

I don't game on my tv but I wouldn't if I did. My calibration for movies just wouldn't have enough punch and brightness to it. Movie mode and warm 2 setting just don't seem compatible with gaming... just my unverified opinion of course.
post #3245 of 4281
A little more info here (and this topic is almost worthy of its own thread):

http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/vg-sek1000-smart-evolution/4505-6475_7-35560465.html

Between $200-300 seems a little high priced. I guess you get a new UI for the interface, but that should be available via firmware. Software/firmware should be improvable without requiring a $200-$300 piece of hardware (that's nearly the cost of a Mac Mini). Or a new receiver, or a fancy Oppo…. smile.gif

Not being a debbie downer, but after playing with several of the apps. It doesn't appear they're really geared towards Plasma owners. Many of those apps are IR bombs. I posted about Pandora further up the thread. Anyone here dare to use the Pandora app for a couple of hours on their Samsung Plasma Smart TV (or Panasonic for that matter)? C'mon. I dare you. smile.gif

And all of those ESPN apps are just begging to cause trouble as well just sitting there on the side of the screen. Why can't they offer an option to make them semi transparent?

If the evolution kit/new UI gave me the option to adjust transparency levels or apply screensavers to a lot of the apps, I might actually think about dropping a couple of hundred on it. But if it's just going to let me use the 'Smart" interface 'faster' and give me IR quicker, than I don't think it's that interesting of a proposition. smile.gif

All my own curmudgeony personal opinion of course. smile.gif
post #3246 of 4281
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

I was geeking out last night messing with a bunch of display settings for about 20-30 minutes and noticed an afterimage of the 'HDMI 2' on screen source input title display (or whatever you'd like to call it) in the upper right hand corner. Ran the scrolling bar (for the first time) and the image was gone in under 3 minutes not too bad. Probably would have gone away by watching some full screen video….
But, here's a concern:
While playing around with this TV, I finally got around to setting up Pandora but did not see a screensaver function. Does anyone know a good way to do that? It seems like having Pandora radio playing, as a smart app is a sure fire way to do some serious IR damage. Can't believe they wouldn't build in some sort of screensaver function…

I believe I read that there is a "picture off" setting in the ECO Solution section of the menu. Why not turn the picture off while listening to Pandora? Doesn't allow you to see the info about what's playing, but no concern about IR :-)
post #3247 of 4281
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

A little more info here (and this topic is almost worthy of its own thread):
http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/vg-sek1000-smart-evolution/4505-6475_7-35560465.html
Between $200-300 seems a little high priced.

I might agree if we actually knew much about the kit. Will it improve picture quality? The only smart hub features I use are the occasional Netflix, Vudu and DLNA. For me the cost/features must overcome the hassle of taking the TV off of the wall biggrin.gif
Watch this be the hardware that solves the buzzing some folks report biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #3248 of 4281
Edward Hall that is good info. Thanks for the tip. Surprised there isn't a setting somewhere for that. I'll have to give it a try. I'm curious what the screensaver shows. smile.gif I've been very impressed with the lack of IR on my 51e7000 as well. Never sure if its because I'm careful or its just a great TV.

LTE - nice option I guess. May as well just run the scrolling IR fixer while I'm there. smile.gif BTW, I watched two 2.xx:1 movies in a row yesterday. No problems. 5% seems a little low. smile.gif

Ferl - agreed. It will be interesting to see what it offers. Definitely something to let others experiment with and find all the bugs in first. I'm a Rev. 2 guy when it comes to that sort of thing. It might be a buzz amplifier. For those of us that have been missing out. smile.gif
post #3249 of 4281
I've had the PN51E8000 since may and I game,watch Bluray etc. on the factory settings Dynamic mode (I'm not techie).
post #3250 of 4281
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

There's alot of debate if 96hz cinema smooth is actually better then forcing 1080p60 for 3D. You would have to try both and judge with you eyes. To enable cinema smooth you need to make sure your computer is enabled for 1080p24 and then go to picture settings and film mode you will see a option called cinema smooth.
The ghosting your having might be from your media source. Are you using bluray 3d? or a sbs converted file? I recommend trying the same movie from a 3d bluray movie using a ps3 or another bluray player that is not your computer. For sbs you can try a media player like WD Live, atleast that is what I use and never see ghosting.
Note: I'm happy with 96hz. Looks great to me and all my friends that watch 3d at my place.

Thanks enabling 1080p24 and cinema smooth removed all the ghosting!

To answer your question i think my 3d movies are HSBS and i can only watch blu rays on the computer.
post #3251 of 4281
I don't suppose theres any way to save your picture settings on the E7000? Every time i switch to game mode so i dont get input lag it resets my movie settings. Really irritating having to redo that especially the 10 point white balance settings. Seems pretty crazy and a terrible oversight not to be able to save settings.
post #3252 of 4281
How do you clean your plasma screen? I got a smudge on the screen and would like to be careful getting it off.

I figured I would use a dry microfiber cloth (one came with the set) first, but if that doesn't work, can I use the iKlear solution that I have for my Apple products? It says it can be used on Apple and other brand electronic products including LCD, plasma and DLP screens and that it is anti-static and does not contain alcohol, ammonia or sodium laurel sulfate. I assume this is safe, but again, thought I would check.
post #3253 of 4281
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Originally Posted by LTE15 View Post

How do you clean your plasma screen? I got a smudge on the screen and would like to be careful getting it off.

I figured I would use a dry microfiber cloth (one came with the set) first, but if that doesn't work, can I use the iKlear solution that I have for my Apple products? It says it can be used on Apple and other brand electronic products including LCD, plasma and DLP screens and that it is anti-static and does not contain alcohol, ammonia or sodium laurel sulfate. I assume this is safe, but again, thought I would check.
I would use a slightly damp microfiber cloth using distiled water -- the kind sold in super markets for steam irons. Then I would follow that with a clean dry microfiber cloth. If your display has any kind of coating on it's external surface, a chemical solution could damage that coating.

Avoid scrubbing of any kind.
post #3254 of 4281
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

There's alot of debate if 96hz cinema smooth is actually better then forcing 1080p60 for 3D. You would have to try both and judge with you eyes. To enable cinema smooth you need to make sure your computer is enabled for 1080p24 and then go to picture settings and film mode you will see a option called cinema smooth.
The ghosting your having might be from your media source. Are you using bluray 3d? or a sbs converted file? I recommend trying the same movie from a 3d bluray movie using a ps3 or another bluray player that is not your computer. For sbs you can try a media player like WD Live, atleast that is what I use and never see ghosting.
Note: I'm happy with 96hz. Looks great to me and all my friends that watch 3d at my place.
CS in 3d mode causes flicker. This because it slows down the active shutter glasses from 120hz to 96hz, which creates noticeable flicker to the human eye. For this reason, I do not use CS in 3d mode. Try a test of something in 3d with a white or very light background. The new Resident Evil 3d is a great example. You will see what I mean if you cycle back and forth CS on/off. The flicker makes for an uncomfortable 3d experience in comparison.

Afterwards, if you do not mind losing CS in 3d mode, download the Plex app to your tv and cpu and start streaming media wirelessly. Plex is amazing! Try it, and you'll all agree!
post #3255 of 4281
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Originally Posted by badboy808 View Post

I've had the PN51E8000 since may and I game,watch Bluray etc. on the factory settings Dynamic mode (I'm not techie).
Not only is dynamic bad for your display, it looks horrible and artificial. The entire reason these tvs get such high reviews is due to the natural and accurate look of movie mode.
post #3256 of 4281
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Originally Posted by Bluemustang View Post

I don't suppose theres any way to save your picture settings on the E7000? Every time i switch to game mode so i dont get input lag it resets my movie settings. Really irritating having to redo that especially the 10 point white balance settings. Seems pretty crazy and a terrible oversight not to be able to save settings.
It should save. Are you positive it is not saving or are you unaware that each picture mode must be set individually for each input? Ex: Changing movie mode on hdmi 1 will not also change movie mode on hdmi 2. You must do it seperate. If that is not the case it sounds like you need a mainboard replacement.

Furthermore, are you getting your advanced settings, such as 10 pt, by calibrating using a colorimeter or are you borrowing somebody else's settings? Don't borrow settings as they will be different set to set. There is a science to this and borrowing settings will yeild inaccurate colors and grayscale. Never eyeball it either. For the best results and pq, use the wow disc or free calibration slides from avs and do a basic calibration. Leave advanced settings alone. I posted my results for my pn64e7000 using my wow bluray. Copying my basic settings will work better than copying any advanced settings.
post #3257 of 4281
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

It should save. Are you positive it is not saving or are you unaware that each picture mode must be set individually for each input? Ex: Changing movie mode on hdmi 1 will not also change movie mode on hdmi 2. You must do it seperate. If that is not the case it sounds like you need a mainboard replacement.
Furthermore, are you getting your advanced settings, such as 10 pt, by calibrating using a colorimeter or are you borrowing somebody else's settings? Don't borrow settings as they will be different set to set. There is a science to this and borrowing settings will yeild inaccurate colors and grayscale. Never eyeball it either. For the best results and pq, use the wow disc or free calibration slides from avs and do a basic calibration. Leave advanced settings alone. I posted my results for my pn64e7000 using my wow bluray. Copying my basic settings will work better than copying any advanced settings.

I got it set on movie mode with all my settings. When i switch to game mode it switches from movie to standard setting. After I switch back to movie mode my settings are reset.
post #3258 of 4281
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Originally Posted by Bluemustang View Post

I got it set on movie mode with all my settings. When i switch to game mode it switches from movie to standard setting. After I switch back to movie mode my settings are reset.
Game mode must be on standard by default. You cannot change this. Answer this question directly please: Have you gone through each input and customized movie mode for each one? If you have not, of course when you turn off game mode, movie mode will still be on default settings for the input that your gaming console is on because you did not change it.

If turning off gaming mode on your gaming input resets movie mode on the hdmi input for your cable box, then something is up. This could mean your tv is on store demo mode. Try this: do a factory reset by holding the exit button on your remote for about 15 seconds. When you power back on you will be prompted to go though the initial setup. Be sure to choose home mode. If this does not fix it, you will need a service call for a new mainboard. It is a simple process. Again, I cannot stress enough that without calibration instruments you should never touch 10 pt, color space, or white balance anyways.
post #3259 of 4281
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

CS in 3d mode causes flicker. This because it slows down the active shutter glasses from 120hz to 96hz, which creates noticeable flicker to the human eye. For this reason, I do not use CS in 3d mode. Try a test of something in 3d with a white or very light background. The new Resident Evil 3d is a great example. You will see what I mean if you cycle back and forth CS on/off. The flicker makes for an uncomfortable 3d experience in comparison.
Afterwards, if you do not mind losing CS in 3d mode, download the Plex app to your tv and cpu and start streaming media wirelessly. Plex is amazing! Try it, and you'll all agree!

Thanks Icon13 I will give the flicker test a try as I do have the new resident evil in 3D. Let me know what your take is on this old thread linked below, there is some discussion of CS on 3d mode possibily not having the 3:2 pulldown. And if it is to believe that not everyone sees the flicker I guess depending on your eyes or something I really don't know the science behind it that 96hz might actually be better then 120hz. Maybe Icon13 or Anyone else care to chime or test if this might be true that the picture looks smoother with no judder on 3d with CS enabled.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=188604


Another thing I'm real curious about if there is any flat panel 3d tv that can do 144hz or 192 hz for 3d besides projectors available today? Which should provide 72fps/96fps per eye and give the true 3d cinema smoothness we all crave for. . I wonder if the evolution kit coming to our tv could ever upgrade our sets to have this ability? My feeling is probably no as its like asking if the kit can give us 4k resolution. Which we all know would require a new panel.

The link below is a interesting article that discusses the many different 3-D Digital Cinema technologies in use today
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=4645896&postcount=972
post #3260 of 4281
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I would use a slightly damp microfiber cloth using distiled water -- the kind sold in super markets for steam irons. Then I would follow that with a clean dry microfiber cloth. If your display has any kind of coating on it's external surface, a chemical solution could damage that coating.
Avoid scrubbing of any kind.

Thanks. It seems to have worked OK without liquid, but will remember the distilled water for the future.
post #3261 of 4281
I have an older 5.1 stereo receiver that doesn't have HDMI in or out, so I connected the TV to it using the TV's optical out. I get sound through the receiver when watching a TV program (via a satellite box that is standard def and is hooked up through the AV/composite inputs on the TV), but I got no sound when trying to watch a You Tube video. I understood that I would only get 5.1 surround if there was an HD broadcast received through the TV tuner, but I thought I should otherwise be able to get stereo. Is there anything special I need to do that you can think I may not be doing?
post #3262 of 4281
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I would use a slightly damp microfiber cloth using distiled water -- the kind sold in super markets for steam irons. Then I would follow that with a clean dry microfiber cloth. If your display has any kind of coating on it's external surface, a chemical solution could damage that coating.
Avoid scrubbing of any kind.

Thanks. It seems to have worked OK without liquid, but will remember the distilled water for the future.
That's always the first choice. biggrin.gif
post #3263 of 4281
Samsung talked about the Evolution Kit today at CES.

Looks very interesting! Very early in this thread people were rather negative about this particular feature of the TV (ie: thinking that it would not be used and was nothing more than a gimick).

I'm not sure that I buy the whole "you can only have the new interface if you have our super-quad core processor" line, but it seems like a big enough step forward to justify buying one.

My only questions at this point is: Where/when/how can I buy one?

Details are still rather light on the kit itself. The Samsung exec installed it in a matter of seconds, without tools, so it must be pretty easy to do. It has a quad-core CPU that is supposedly 3x faster than the original. They say it will provide all the features of the 2013 display panels. I'm assuming that it has no effect on picture quality, but I don't know how much of the picture quality is controlled by the software/firmware vs. the panel itself.

To be honest, I'd probably buy the thing just to get away from the current kludgy interface. I truly despise the 2012 SmartHub interface. The 2013 one looks pretty nice, though -- or at least a ton more functionally useful.

EDIT: There are some up-close pictures of the Evolution Kit @ Engadget. Also screenshots of the updated interface.

http://www.engadget.com/gallery/samsung-2013-lcds-plasmas-apps-upgrade-box/5543555/
Edited by deria - 1/7/13 at 3:13pm
post #3264 of 4281
Different subject, but I certainly like some of the new stands they introduced today. Not much info on new plasmas though.

RE: the evolution kit. I don't know, personally, if it all it provides is a newUI to browse the crappy selection of apps with faster, quad core CPUs I think I'll pass. It's a neat idea, but I think I've deleted just about every app I've downloaded and tried. I was really thinking having a Smart TV would be cool. But those apps are just awful. I don't see a need, personally, to browse them any faster. Maybe if they get some good useful apps. Otherwise, I don't think I need a quicker way to download them, realize they are junk and delete them.

The family story thing is lame (I bet no one really uses it, why would you?) and the Fitness thing just downloads some crappy standard def videos from the App Store. The kids sections is nothing more than a portal for a weird '"Canimals" cartoon from South Korea.

Most of the Apps in general seem very Korean based in nature (nothing wrong with that). Reading the Broken Engrish descriptions is funny though. For the Word World one of them says something like "Help to learn the English". Lame. smile.gif

For now I'll just stick to using my iPad as a second screen and wait for the 'Smart TV's to advance a little.

Anyone have any apps they really use on a regular basis on their TV? Maybe I missed one?

Disappointed curmudgeon over and out. smile.gif
post #3265 of 4281
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

Anyone have any apps they really use on a regular basis on their TV? Maybe I missed one?
Disappointed curmudgeon over and out. smile.gif

I use the Netflix app, and I've used the media player app to play movies recorded on my camera. I've also used the web browser to get to the on-demand sections of my local TV stations. The AP news ticker is an interesting idea, as well, though I don't use it much (news is depressing). The Skype app works well -- (ie: does what you would expect).

Samsung (and all the other TV manufacturers) had a decision to make and instead of making the smart decision (Android, Google Play) they instead made the decision to go their own way and have a proprietary app store.

I guess it comes down to what you expect, though -- I don't care about playing Angry Birds on my TV. I view the app-section as a way for me to get certain key applications that will improve my experience. The rest is as useless to me.

Supposedly the new portal has cross-app searching for the video services, and THAT is an app I would very much like to see since you quite often have to sign up for multiple services to get the content you want.
post #3266 of 4281
I use the YouTube app occasionally as well as HBOGO, Netflix and VUDU. Yesterday I signed up for the 1 week free trial of Hulu plus. I canceled it a few hours later. I can't imagine anyone paying $8 a month for limited content and still have commercials. The Explore 3D app had promise, but they don't seem to add content.
I don't use Skype, but for folks that use the service I think it would be nice having the call displayed on a large screen.
I do use te DLNA feature of the TV frequently.

I agree the apps are pretty lame and the voice and motion control are silly. It's as ridiculous as Siri.
post #3267 of 4281
I use Amazon Prime. Don't have Netflix as it would be kind of redundant with AP. Don't feel like spending $8 a month for the Hulu Plus either. Most shows are On Demand. HBO Go and Comcast can't work out whatever it is they need to work out.

Maybe if I cancelled my Comcast, got an HDTV antenna and went alacarte with the Hulu - but I haven't been able to convince my wife that's a good way to go….

I use Crackle sometimes.

We pretty much just stick to the Media based apps that come standard. None of the downloadable ones seem to offer very much value.

Oh well, it's got an Awesome PQ and that's what I really wanted anyhow. smile.gif

The new Panny's got a HSN button on the remote. Lucky them! wink.gif
post #3268 of 4281
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

The new Panny's got a HSN button on the remote. Lucky them! wink.gif

Seriously? I knew I should have bought a Panasonic wink.gif
post #3269 of 4281
The samsung rep at the hdtv shootout said that with the new processesor the evolution kit has, it can make the picture look smoother...
post #3270 of 4281
I use the Plex app all the time. I am surprised nobody mentioned it. By far the best app out there! It is far superior to the built in media player. It can fix aspect ratios, including in 3d. Not only does it stream your media wirelessly from cpu to tv, but it downloads the cover art and movie/show info into its media library. Slick, indeed.
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