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post #331 of 4281
A real shame and dissapointment to hear about all the Buzzers. Was hoping Samsung would have sorted this for 2012 on the larger plasmas.
post #332 of 4281
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Originally Posted by Dukecat View Post


Mine isn't calibrated. I don't think I'm tech savvy enough to speak to the settings, but I know the tech ran through every combination - those using a lot of power; those using very little - and the volume of the buzzing did not change at all. All I can hope for is the new TV that is being ordered from Samsung will be from a different batch.

I was asking more about advanced picture settings like individual colors, white balance, 10 pt gamma. None of those will affect the buzz, but a good setup will make the picture sing. Might as well enjoy the E's awesome PQ while I wait for a better built set. BTW - full customization seems to be available only on movie mode. Standard and relax are both limited in the advance picture options. In fact, relax doesn't offer advanced at all if my memory serves.
post #333 of 4281
All plasmas buzz, you'll notice when quiet. I have the pioneer elite 111fd and it buzzes too. Especially when it has an all white field.
With volume on normal you won't notice it at all ..

If you won't a completely buzz free tv get and LCD/led panel
post #334 of 4281
I have two Pannys and had the vt30 - all were silent compared to the Sammy e8000, especially from the front of the display. All have some hum from rear but the Sammys projects forward. Deal breaker for me.
post #335 of 4281
I purchased the 60e8000 a few days ago. It's my first plasma (and I don't profess to be a TV expert). I had originially purchased a Sony EX720 as I have a very bright room, but the off angle viewing was pretty bad so I thought I'd test a plasma despite the less-than-ideal viewing conditions.

I have no buzzing on my set and generally think the PQ is fantastic. The issue I'm having is when watching hockey, there are noticeable changes in brightness. I have the eco-sensor off, so it's not that (and others on this thread have mentioned this issue, so I'm not alone).

Also, I'm not sure if this is related to the brightness fluctuations, but there appears to be some slight blurring or fuzziness at fast motion. I'm really surprised as I've always heard that plasmas are best for motion. But the motion on my Sony LED appeared much better to my unsophisticated eye. I've spent a bunch of time with the settings, but haven't been able to fix it.

The picture for movie and TV viewing is great, but given the issues I'm having watching hockey (which is 75% of what I watch on TV), I'm thinking of sticking with the LED over the plasma because of the motion/brightness issues - something I wouldn't have guessed would be the issue (I thought reflectiveness would be the issue with a plasma for me).
post #336 of 4281
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Originally Posted by rst21 View Post

I purchased the 60e8000 a few days ago. It's my first plasma (and I don't profess to be a TV expert). I had originially purchased a Sony EX720 as I have a very bright room, but the off angle viewing was pretty bad so I thought I'd test a plasma despite the less-than-ideal viewing conditions.

I have no buzzing on my set and generally think the PQ is fantastic. The issue I'm having is when watching hockey, there are noticeable changes in brightness. I have the eco-sensor off, so it's not that (and others on this thread have mentioned this issue, so I'm not alone).

Also, I'm not sure if this is related to the brightness fluctuations, but there appears to be some slight blurring or fuzziness at fast motion. I'm really surprised as I've always heard that plasmas are best for motion. But the motion on my Sony LED appeared much better to my unsophisticated eye. I've spent a bunch of time with the settings, but haven't been able to fix it.

The picture for movie and TV viewing is great, but given the issues I'm having watching hockey (which is 75% of what I watch on TV), I'm thinking of sticking with the LED over the plasma because of the motion/brightness issues - something I wouldn't have guessed would be the issue (I thought reflectiveness would be the issue with a plasma for me).

Sounds like your sensitive to phosphor trails
post #337 of 4281
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Originally Posted by rst21 View Post

I purchased the 60e8000 a few days ago. It's my first plasma (and I don't profess to be a TV expert). I had originially purchased a Sony EX720 as I have a very bright room, but the off angle viewing was pretty bad so I thought I'd test a plasma despite the less-than-ideal viewing conditions.

I have no buzzing on my set and generally think the PQ is fantastic. The issue I'm having is when watching hockey, there are noticeable changes in brightness. I have the eco-sensor off, so it's not that (and others on this thread have mentioned this issue, so I'm not alone).

Also, I'm not sure if this is related to the brightness fluctuations, but there appears to be some slight blurring or fuzziness at fast motion. I'm really surprised as I've always heard that plasmas are best for motion. But the motion on my Sony LED appeared much better to my unsophisticated eye. I've spent a bunch of time with the settings, but haven't been able to fix it.

The picture for movie and TV viewing is great, but given the issues I'm having watching hockey (which is 75% of what I watch on TV), I'm thinking of sticking with the LED over the plasma because of the motion/brightness issues - something I wouldn't have guessed would be the issue (I thought reflectiveness would be the issue with a plasma for me).

Try knocking down the brightness some. It might alleviate some of the fluctuations caused by the ABL.
post #338 of 4281
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Sounds like your sensitive to phosphor trails

Ughh. I hadn't heard of that before, but just Googled it. Sounds like if that's the case, I'll have problem with all plasmas.
post #339 of 4281
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Originally Posted by rst21 View Post

Ughh. I hadn't heard of that before, but just Googled it. Sounds like if that's the case, I'll have problem with all plasmas.

Give it a few days and see if you get used to it. I have never seen it (thank god), but my GF saw it with our first plasma. The effect did not last with her.
post #340 of 4281
It used to be a lot worse, older plasmas had phosphors which didn't degrade at the same speed and so phosphor trailing was bright green and it drove me nuts.
post #341 of 4281
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

All plasmas buzz, you'll notice when quiet. I have the pioneer elite 111fd and it buzzes too. Especially when it has an all white field.
With volume on normal you won't notice it at all ..

If you won't a completely buzz free tv get and LCD/led panel

Absoloutely, But some a lot louder than they should be i think. My Father has a 51"D6900 and no audible buzz at all only if you mute it and put your ear to the back panel can your hear a slight 'plasma buzz'.
post #342 of 4281
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

All plasmas buzz, you'll notice when quiet. I have the pioneer elite 111fd and it buzzes too. Especially when it has an all white field.
With volume on normal you won't notice it at all ..

If you won't a completely buzz free tv get and LCD/led panel

My plasma is quieter than my LCD. YMMV. I cannot hear the plasma except with my ear behind the panel listening for it (audio off). My amplifiers make more noise...
post #343 of 4281
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Originally Posted by panman40 View Post

Absoloutely, But some a lot louder than they should be i think. My Father has a 51"D6900 and no audible buzz at all only if you mute it and put your ear to the back panel can your hear a slight 'plasma buzz'.

There are many PDP owners that have sets that don't buzz. I've had a 2010 and 2011 models from Samsung that didn't and don't.
post #344 of 4281
I'm honestly surprised to hear anyone say that they've had a Samsung set that doesn't buzz (larger than 50 inches). I've had 4 different Samsungs over the last 2 years and every single one of them had/has buzz that's directional.

This isn't a deal breaker for me. I can't hear it with any sort of volume on or I've just gotten completely used to it. When they replaced the panel on my 58C6500, it did buzz a lot less so I do think it's panel specific. The 59D8000 that I have now buzzes but I've heard worse. Again, it's not a deal breaker for me.

Now I will say (not being a troll because I currently own 3 Samsungs) the Panasonic GT25 that I had only buzzed when i put my ear behind the TV. The TV was 10x thicker than any samsung I have though. At that time, floating blacks was so bad that I returned the TV. Just my 2 cents on the topic....
post #345 of 4281
Once I thought I heard buzzing but it turned out to be the water cooler (whew). I don't think I could live with buzzing if it was intrusive and it's good that you can tolerate the level of busy bees buzzing that you get.
post #346 of 4281
I will be receiving the samsung 64E8000 on friday I let you know how it compares to my KURO Elite 50in.

I will post pics, Check for FBR's and Buzzing.
post #347 of 4281
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Originally Posted by rst21 View Post

I purchased the 60e8000 a few days ago. It's my first plasma (and I don't profess to be a TV expert). I had originially purchased a Sony EX720 as I have a very bright room, but the off angle viewing was pretty bad so I thought I'd test a plasma despite the less-than-ideal viewing conditions.

I have no buzzing on my set and generally think the PQ is fantastic. The issue I'm having is when watching hockey, there are noticeable changes in brightness. I have the eco-sensor off, so it's not that (and others on this thread have mentioned this issue, so I'm not alone).

Also, I'm not sure if this is related to the brightness fluctuations, but there appears to be some slight blurring or fuzziness at fast motion. I'm really surprised as I've always heard that plasmas are best for motion. But the motion on my Sony LED appeared much better to my unsophisticated eye. I've spent a bunch of time with the settings, but haven't been able to fix it.

The picture for movie and TV viewing is great, but given the issues I'm having watching hockey (which is 75% of what I watch on TV), I'm thinking of sticking with the LED over the plasma because of the motion/brightness issues - something I wouldn't have guessed would be the issue (I thought reflectiveness would be the issue with a plasma for me).

Well, I guess that answers the question I've been looking for. The flucutations caused by the ABL during hockey games (and very rarely on other content) are really my only complaints with my D series plasma. I initially had a buzz but it seems to have gotten much quieter over the first month+ with the set.

Good to know that I shouldn't try to upgrade to the E series to solve the hockey issue.
post #348 of 4281
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

There are many PDP owners that have sets that don't buzz. I've had a 2010 and 2011 models from Samsung that didn't and don't.

One should also remember that higher altitude increases chances that buzzing will be heard.
post #349 of 4281
Well got my 64E7000 today as a replacement for my C7000. At this point and time i cannot say this tv is better. Some features i used mostly are missing.( not able to adjust video of streamed video in media play) it buzzes but not to bad. I cannot stream MKV not sure why (using serviio). Not able to get apps (rovi) or make samsung account, not sure why i would need to. tv errors out trying to get to servers.
the pic is great just as my C was, i see no difference. Little fustrated with it, i suppose once i get past these few new hurdles i might like it better.
post #350 of 4281
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Originally Posted by rst21 View Post

The picture for movie and TV viewing is great, but given the issues I'm having watching hockey (which is 75% of what I watch on TV), I'm thinking of sticking with the LED over the plasma because of the motion/brightness issues - something I wouldn't have guessed would be the issue (I thought reflectiveness would be the issue with a plasma for me).

I've owned several pdps over the years, and now a LED, and hockey is best on the LED, whites are fantastic, especially on the WARM1 setting. If your 75% watching hockey, then imo, you should go with a led panel. Maybe try the WT50 that panasonic is coming out with, u wont have the dreadful viewing angles to worry about, as it's an IPS panel.
post #351 of 4281
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

All plasmas buzz, you'll notice when quiet. I have the pioneer elite 111fd and it buzzes too. Especially when it has an all white field.
With volume on normal you won't notice it at all ..

If you won't a completely buzz free tv get and LCD/led panel

Do you really think that all these buzzing complaints are coming from people that have the buzzing disappear when using normal sound levels? Please. Obviously not all buzz but is seems the problem is far too prevalent
post #352 of 4281
Since i have not seen anybody else on here with the E7000. I was wondering if you guys are able to download apps and or make accounts with Samsung through the tv with the E8000. I get error codes for network interference or just server busy. using wired or wireless have no problems with other pc's or the tv this one replaced.
post #353 of 4281
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Originally Posted by cocoon View Post

One should also remember that higher altitude increases chances that buzzing will be heard.

Not true. Plasma panels are rated for use above 9,000 feet and high altitude buzzing hasn't been an issue since about ten years ago.

To the people who think all Samsungs buzz loudly, yes all plasmas do buzz if you get close enough, but if it can be heard beyond say 2-4 feet then the panel or an internal component is out of spec or defective. If you can hear it at 10 feet, return the TV and hope it's replacement doesn't buzz as loudly.
post #354 of 4281
I was at panasonic event sponsered by engadget.com. Someone in the crowd asked about buzzing.
Panasonic rep replied that Plasma Tvs are very fragile panels.
Alot issues occur in transit to the consumer.

I recently cancelled an order from a very reputable online retailer.
The retailer told me the TV had to be pick up from there warehouse then to shipping Co. warehouse. It would then ship ground to another local warehouse then put on another truck to be out for delivery.

The TV would've been moved in and out four different truck before it arrived at my house.

My suggestion is that you purchase from a local online reatailer or local brick and motar seller.
post #355 of 4281
Hi everyone,

First time poster but regular reader. Just received a PN60e8000 replacement for my c series. I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed like Wrassie86. A few quick observations from the past 24 hours:

1. I feel like a "buzz gun" is pointed directly at my spot on the couch. I absolutely did not have this problem with my C series.

2. Gesture control absoulutely sucks. I had 3 lights on full power in my living room plus the ceiling fan lights on in order for the room to be "bright enough" to get through the gesture control calibration test. I can assure you I never will have my living room that bright again under normal conditions! My arm is so tired from waving at the TV to try and get this to work...nice idea...obviously a terrible camera with poor low light cababilites. Better luck next time on this idea. I had it briefly working about 2 times and when it works I felt like a Jedi but it was extremely short lived!

3. Voice control is a little better but again extremly spotty and it clearly has a mind of its own when it decides to work. I still have not been able to turn my TV on with voice control. My wife is so pissed at me for talking to the TV at this point and i've only had it for less than a day! I'm starting to feel like a real idiot trying to talk to this thing. In order to get the TV to start working with voice control I have to keep hitting the mic button on the touch remote. The only time I would use this is if I couldn't find the remote.

4. What happend to HBO Go app? WTF! My C series had it. This is not cool. I was able to download 1 app thus far so no problems getting through to a server. I have not tried the app yet but will soon. BTW - the app is Skype. Obviously my concern is the quality of the camera. When I turn the camera on the image is very red toned and pixalated - similar the the terrible camera on the front of the ipad 2. Also, navigating and downloading the app in the Smart area felt very slow. I have not tried the web browser yet and perhaps things will speed up over time once everything is downloaded and installed but I hardely felt like I was cruizing around with "dual core processors". It felt as speedy or lack there off as my C series smart menu. The only speed difference I noticed was the TV's ability to get in to 3D mode when going to one of my 3D channel from Direct TV. This was much improved!

5. Other small things...long gone are all the cable managment pieces for the back of the TV. Back to my own cable ties to try and hide all the cords. The ferrite cores are way to big to properly grasp any of the power, coax or ethernet cables....I had to improvise. Also, long gone are the nice pouches for the 3d glasses. It's the little things to save a few cents I guess.

So, yes, I'm feeling a little underwhelemed at this point. Beside the pink banding on the C series I always liked the picture. I must say the picture is excellent on this panel as well. Other good news. I love the bluetooth 3d glasses idea - I was pretty fed up with the infared system on the c series constantly loosing sync when I would turn my head.

My complaints on the "fluff" are to be expected with new features like this and I'm sure Samsung and this board will be filled with them as more of these sets get in to people homes. I appreciate Samsungs efforts and thoughts with the new features but if they aren't going to work properly in a real home setting than there is no point putting your customers through beta testing (I already have a boxee box for this). To me it really boils down to this:

This TV DOES have excellent picture quailty that will get deductions based on these two things:

1. Forget the "smart" stuff for now - get a 7000 or 6500 and save your money.

2. Pray that the buzz goes away over time - at this point I'm 75% goint to ask Samsung to send a second set. To me it might be that bad. If my wife notices it then it will go back! ;D


That's it for now.
post #356 of 4281
The new features on the samsung e8000 are a work in progress I'm sure they'll be alot firmware updates..

On another note .. The new Panasonic panels are new from the ground up . They'll have issues due to the new panel structures and tech ..Panasonic VT 50 will have two fans in the back due to the new processor and tech.
Samsungs 2012 panels aren't new just a new black filter and clear panel and new software..
post #357 of 4281
Yep, that tech is here to stay and will be improved upon for sure. I'm waiting for thought transfer myself (lol).
post #358 of 4281
No doubt we'll see some firmware updates rolling out for this thing. I hope Samsung realizes what they just got themselves in to!

Hardware is hardware though and I'm pretty sure they put a pretty poor camera in this. It would be interesting to see the specs on that alone.

It's funny - just thinking about saying "Hi TV" one more time starts to make me feel angry!

I know, I know...just walk away from the TV - I'm sure it will work fine when I come back later!
post #359 of 4281
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

The new features on the samsung e8000 are a work in progress I'm sure they'll be alot firmware updates..

On another note .. The new Panasonic panels are new from the ground up . They'll have issues due to the new panel structures and tech ..Panasonic VT 50 will have two fans in the back due to the new processor and tech.
Samsungs 2012 panels aren't new just a new black filter and clear panel and new software..

I find it funny how you look at Panasonic's new-from-scratch designs and consider that a bad thing. Conversely, Samsung has some glaring issues such as a loud power supply buzz on many units, and it doesn't seem corrected this year. In my opinion, they're due for an overhaul as well, but that will likely never come with OLED knocking on the door...
post #360 of 4281
After a lot of thinking, I have decided to return the PN51E8000. I'm supposed to be contacted within the next 24-48 hours to schedule a pick up. I too share the disillusion that skentala and wrassie are experiencing.

Why am I returning it?

To be blunt...the difference between my previous 2009 PNB650 and this E8000 where minimal at best. It wasn't worth the price ($1800). I jumped the gun by judging the gaming picture, because it did seem sharper on the E8000 compared to my old PNB650. Ultimately though, I'm disappointed.

Did this TV buzz? It did..but it was mostly "normal" operational buzz. Did this TV have image retention? None that I was able to detect. That was impressive (well at least the time I had spent with it). Are the smart features (voice, camera, hand gestures, etc.) worth the extra $300 bucks? NO. I admit, it is pretty cool, but how often will I be using voice and hand gestures? It's not a bad TV, but after 3 years since I bought my previous TV, I expect way more for a 2012 model.

I know best buy is not the place for comparisons, but a few days ago I was in Magnolia and saw the E8000, D8000, and the D7000 next to each other, and it was difficult to find a difference. Matter of fact...the D7000 looked a bit darker. Of course I am aware that settings could be different, it could be the signal, etc, so take that comparison with a grain of salt (I am). I'm sure once the review comes out for the E8000 and its calibrated there may be a difference, but my non-calibrator eyes couldn't tell.

If you're into the latest tech, then this TV is for you. If the Smart features are features you "gotta have", this TV is for you. If you've bought a TV in the last 3- 4 years, please do yourself a favor and check it out in the store before buying...your current TV may be sufficient.

Back to searching for a TV I go lol.
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