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post #3301 of 4279
And if you happen to have a cheap bluetooth mouse, you can pair it with your TV in the devices submenus. I tried my Apple Mouse and Trackpad. Neither worked, but a cheap Dell Bluetooth did fine.

It's the most cumbersome way I've ever browed the web, but it works. smile.gif
post #3302 of 4279
Thanks guys. I had a "chat" with someone at Samsung and he told me (incorrectly) that you had to have the keyboard to use the web browser. I have since also found the Samsung smart TV remote App for my iPad which makes things a little easier (but still cumbersome) and if I have my iPad with me for the remote, I may as well just use it to browse the web if I need to look at something.

I didn't buy the TV for its "smart" functionality or web browser nor for the 3D for that matter. They are fun features to play around with a little, but not particularly useful to me. I know the better TVs usually have this stuff built in whether you want it or not, but sometimes I wonder if I may have been better off saving a few dollars and getting a lower model or maybe a slightly larger screen (although I really couldn't go any larger than 55 inches and I doubt the 4 inches would matter very much).
post #3303 of 4279
Decisions decisions. I have two weeks to return this e8000, what would you fine folks do in my situation?

The other TV's I'm looking at are the ES7003($1500), ES7100($1800), ES7500($2200), another E8000, or a new F series.
I'm returning the E8000 because of the buzzing and IR, although the IR isn't as dramatic as it was early on. The problem now is the prices are back up. I'm expecting them to drop again one final time around Super Bowl week, but by then I can no longer return this E8000. Would you:

A) Exchange this for another E8000 and hope for a non buzzer? From what I've read they all buzz. just certain setups allow it to go unnoticed. My setup is 8ft from me, in a bedroom.
B) Return it, pay the difference ($300) for the ES7003. Seems almost identical to the 7100. No Evolution kit slot, I think I might utilize this in the future.
C) Return it, pay the difference ($600) for the ES7100. No Evolution kit slot, I think I might utilize this in the future.
D) Return it, pay the difference ($1100) for the ES7500. Lot of money, even if it comes back down to it's low for the year, still $800 more.
E) Return it. Wait for the F series 2013 TV's to launch. Buy one of the new sets or hope for a drastic discount on an E/S. By the time March rolls around I will have more money to throw at one.

I'm leaning towards E, with the new Smart Hub that I am using with more and more frequency, Quad Core processor, supposed better PQ. Such a tough decision, lol.
post #3304 of 4279
A tough decision indeed, tbris84...

It seems to me that you're that you that you'd be better off just waiting for the new models to come out. You say that you're leaning towards the E with the quad core. In order to do that you're going to need to shell out more money for the Evolution Kit anyway. You might as well wait and have it built in with the '13 models, besides, maybe they won't be exceptionally buzzy to you.
post #3305 of 4279
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Originally Posted by dlmax63 View Post

A tough decision indeed, tbris84...

It seems to me that you're that you that you'd be better off just waiting for the new models to come out. You say that you're leaning towards the E with the quad core. In order to do that you're going to need to shell out more money for the Evolution Kit anyway. You might as well wait and have it built in with the '13 models, besides, maybe they won't be exceptionally buzzy to you.

Yeah, I agree. I'm really happy with the PQ on this E8000, but the IR/Buzz is really what put me off. I wish they would've released full specs and release dates for these new sets. So I can set the count down timer. I'll be going back to my two 32" EH5000's in the interim. 3D how I will miss you.
post #3306 of 4279
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Originally Posted by tbris84 View Post

Yeah, I agree. I'm really happy with the PQ on this E8000, but the IR/Buzz is really what put me off. I wish they would've released full specs and release dates for these new sets. So I can set the count down timer. I'll be going back to my two 32" EH5000's in the interim. 3D how I will miss you.

Two issues here. Yes, the Samsungs do seem to have a greater tendency to buzz than say the Panasonics. As regards IR, unfortunately the 51" does according to user reports and reviews have less IR resistance than the larger 60" and 64" models. Not that they are impervious to IR but it does appear that the larger Samsungs have the best IR resistance of both Samsung and Panasonic. One alternative, are you able to obtain (and return) the Samsung 60" E6500? It should have greater IR resistance than your 51" E8000, much better blacks, somewhat less peak light output and perhaps not quite as good video processing. Buzzing of course will be a potential problem and I do think that perhaps the larger Samsung panels may be more prone to it (I had two 51" E8000 and neither were egregious buzzers).

As regards the 2013 Samsungs, apparently the black levels of the 51" will be much closer to the larger sizes and it does *seem* from CNET and HDTVtest previews that they will be very good. When can you expect them to be released? Think March or April.
post #3307 of 4279
Looks like the smart hub "flash" issue has been resolved with an update.
post #3308 of 4279
I have a little less than 2 weeks to decide whether to keep or return my PN51E7000. I am generally extremely satisfied with the TV and the picture is outstanding. So, why would I even consider returning it? 2 issues. One is a small, but lingering concern that I may have problems with difficult IR from watching too many movies at 2.35 and 2.40 aspect ratios. The other is what I keep hearing about the Panasonic blacks and picture quality being visibly better than Samsung.

Assuming I get over the first hurdle (re IR), how much truth is there to the second issue? When I chose the E7000, i was also considering the Panasonic 50ST50 at the same price and the 55UT50 which was about $100 less and a larger screen.

Why did you decide on a Samsung vs. a Panasonic? Would you consider a somewhat lower level model (like the UT) to get a slightly larger screen (note that I am sitting about 8 1/2 feet from the screen, give or take, and coming from a 42 inch screen).
post #3309 of 4279
I had both the e7000 and the gt50 side by side in my house. There are pics I took of this in the gt50 forum for proof. I chose the Sammy because the pq was so much sharper on all content, but WAY sharper on non blu ray content and SD. I honestly hated the pq on the panny when I wasn't watching blu ray. It was dull, flat, almost SD. The black level on the panny was better but IMO not by much and not enough to make up for the dull pq. I know this isn't the st50, but it is my experience with these two brands. I know other people have mentioned the dull pq but many many people love the panny pq
post #3310 of 4279
Thanks. Yes, each person obviously will have his/her own preferences and it is not my intention to start a panny vs. samsung battle, but hearing the experiences of others is helpful. I guess I am just trying to confirm my own decision and that there is not necessarily a clear winner but rather trade-offs for each. One of the reasons I chose the Samsung was because I watch very little broadcast television and consequently do not have HD TV service. I had heard that the Sammy performs better with an SD signal. Reviews I had read suggested that the Panasonic had somewhat darker blacks, but that the difference wasn't that significant (of course what is significant varies by opinion as well).
post #3311 of 4279
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Originally Posted by LTE15 View Post

Thanks. Yes, each person obviously will have his/her own preferences and it is not my intention to start a panny vs. samsung battle, but hearing the experiences of others is helpful. I guess I am just trying to confirm my own decision and that there is not necessarily a clear winner but rather trade-offs for each. One of the reasons I chose the Samsung was because I watch very little broadcast television and consequently do not have HD TV service. I had heard that the Sammy performs better with an SD signal. Reviews I had read suggested that the Panasonic had somewhat darker blacks, but that the difference wasn't that significant (of course what is significant varies by opinion as well).

This has been discussed a lot in the forums but another thing to consider when choosing your tv is that IR and burn in has been mentioned to occur more on a panny then a samsung plasma. http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test-62216457.htm. And in my experience IR happens a lot more on Samsung TV's that are under 60 inches. I owned both a samsung 51 inch and 60 inch both are 2012 and IR happened right away on the 51 inch. I watch all kind of stuff on my plasma either it be gaming, sc content, portrait, wide screen with black bars etc.. And I haven't seen any IR on my 60E7000. I run the scrolling screen burn protection often as you can usually see and remove the IR with that feature. Now this doesn't mean the 60 inch tv will never get burn in or IR its just that from my experience and what others have said in the forums the 60 inch tvs are just less susceptible from it happening.

Note: Also the only panny to have dedicated 24 mode is the VT50. But from what Cnet says the film cadence seems to still be good even without having this mode. Another thing to note is if your fan of 3D most people will say Samsung is better. Mostly because the panny does 48hz at its best and that causes flicker. While on the samsung plasma you can do 120hz.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st50/4505-6482_7-35118300.html?tag=posts;msg5291989
post #3312 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

This has been discussed a lot in the forums but another thing to consider when choosing your tv is that IR and burn in has been mentioned to occur more on a panny then a samsung plasma. http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test-62216457.htm. And in my experience IR happens a lot more on Samsung TV's that are under 60 inches. I owned both a samsung 51 inch and 60 inch both are 2012 and IR happened right away on the 51 inch. I watch all kind of stuff on my plasma either it be gaming, sc content, portrait, wide screen with black bars etc.. And I haven't seen any IR on my 60E7000. I run the scrolling screen burn protection often as you can usually see and remove the IR with that feature. Now this doesn't mean the 60 inch tv will never get burn in or IR its just that from my experience and what others have said in the forums the 60 inch tvs are just less susceptible from it happening.



http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st50/4505-6482_7-35118300.html?tag=posts;msg5291989

Precisely, and I wish people with the Samsung Exxx series would mention their sizes (of the TV) smile.gif The 51" Samsung Exxx panels are very different beasts to the 60 and 64" models. More IR issues and definitely much higher black levels compared to the larger sizes. The Panasonics seem to have IR issues and black levels which do not differ markedly over the sizes. With the F8500 Samsungs, apparently black levels will not differ much due to the sizes and hopefully the IR issues (which are generally less than compared to the Panasonics) will not increase with the apparently greater brightness levels.
post #3313 of 4279
http://www.highdefforum.com/1295847-post8.html
http://imgur.com/a/rI3Ff#0

This guy has pics side by side and a direct comparison. Hope this helps with your decision. I have a 51" samsung e7000 and am a little disappointed in the blacks and contrast.
post #3314 of 4279
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Originally Posted by dpplasma View Post

http://www.highdefforum.com/1295847-post8.html
http://imgur.com/a/rI3Ff#0

This guy has pics side by side and a direct comparison. Hope this helps with your decision. I have a 51" samsung e7000 and am a little disappointed in the blacks and contrast.

Thanks for sharing. Well I'll take the pics with a grain of salt, they suggest although the Panasonic has a darker screen, it is crushing blacks big time. The detail is way better on the Samsung in those pics.
post #3315 of 4279
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Originally Posted by iBoB View Post

Thanks for sharing. Well I'll take the pics with a grain of salt, they suggest although the Panasonic has a darker screen, it is crushing blacks big time. The detail is way better on the Samsung in those pics.

I have a 64D8000 and recently helped a friend setup his 64E8000.... I went through the whole panny vs Samsung debate as every plasma buyer does prior to buying. The black level difference is negligible. The Sammy offers much better colors, user friendly apps and is overall a better set IMO.

Since I couldn't justify an Elite that I fell in love with as I am only 33, I have no regrets at all about buying this set a year ago. It's the best out there for the $$, you can't go wrong. My only advise is go for the 64", it crushes the little guys and has the best black levels of the sets from what I have researched. Picture continues to delight myself along with my wife and company which is always great to hear!
post #3316 of 4279
Had a st50 and now a e7000 wasn't even close e7000 by a mile
post #3317 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

This has been discussed a lot in the forums but another thing to consider when choosing your tv is that IR and burn in has been mentioned to occur more on a panny then a samsung plasma. http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test-62216457.htm. And in my experience IR happens a lot more on Samsung TV's that are under 60 inches. I owned both a samsung 51 inch and 60 inch both are 2012 and IR happened right away on the 51 inch. I watch all kind of stuff on my plasma either it be gaming, sc content, portrait, wide screen with black bars etc.. And I haven't seen any IR on my 60E7000. I run the scrolling screen burn protection often as you can usually see and remove the IR with that feature. Now this doesn't mean the 60 inch tv will never get burn in or IR its just that from my experience and what others have said in the forums the 60 inch tvs are just less susceptible from it happening.

Note: Also the only panny to have dedicated 24 mode is the VT50. But from what Cnet says the film cadence seems to still be good even without having this mode. Another thing to note is if your fan of 3D most people will say Samsung is better. Mostly because the panny does 48hz at its best and that causes flicker. While on the samsung plasma you can do 120hz.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st50/4505-6482_7-35118300.html?tag=posts;msg5291989
You mean Samsung plasmas do 96hz.
post #3318 of 4279
Thanks everyone for the feedback, links to pics and opinions. If for some reason it wasn't clear to anyone (or you didn't notice it in my earlier post), I have the 51 inch E7000. Ksigdawg, I would love a 64 inch screen, but unfortunately it would be much too big for the space.

Based on what I have seen and heard, I think my initial instinct was probably right - that for my use, space and desired budget, the 51 inch E7000 was the best bang for the buck. And maybe several years from now OLED will come down to earth price-wise and will be worth an upgrade, but who knows what problems that will bring with it. For now, the clarity and colors of the Samsung are great and I don't use the set for gaming nor watch a lot of sports or hours of news with tickers, so the only real IR concern I have is (as I mentioned in previous posts) the long term effect of watchIng mostly movies with black bars. That's a plasma vs lcd question and still perhaps something I need to consider, but in terms of plasmas, I'm not sure the difference in black levels pushes me over to the Panasonic camp given the other advantages of the Sammy.
post #3319 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

NEODARK,

PC mode should decrease the input lag. But I don't think the E7000 or E8000 can go as low as 16ms. Atleast from what I read you would have to get the E6500 or lower end tv to obtain 16ms or lower. How did you test the input lag?

I do have a PN60E6500, I assumed this also worked on the 7 or 8's. I didn't test the lag, went by a few articles online. smile.gif
post #3320 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

You mean Samsung plasmas do 96hz.

With cinema smooth yes 96hz. But from what I thought I understood if you disable 24p you will get 60hz and then once 3d is enabled it would display it in 120hz 60 per eye. Right?
post #3321 of 4279
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Originally Posted by cerchiarax View Post

With cinema smooth yes 96hz. But from what I thought I understood if you disable 24p you will get 60hz and then once 3d is enabled it would display it in 120hz 60 per eye. Right?
You are confusing yourself a bit. 48hz mode on Panasonic is the equivalent to 96hz CS mode on Samsung; 2:2 pulldown vs 4:4 pulldown. 48hz has nothing to do with 3d. I think both TV's utilize 120hz in 3d mode. All standard 3d movies are filmed at 24 fps, but there are two camera lenses on a 3d camera so there is actually two seperate images (L & R eye) per frame. Your TV applies 3:2 pulldown to acheive 120hz using these two vantage points from each L/R image. You can apply 96hz mode in 3d on Samsung, but IMO it causes more flicker than 3:2 120hz 3d mode; more strenuous on the eyes. If Panasonic actually used 48hz mode on 3d it would not be watchable since that would mean each L/R image would show only once, or 24 fps per eye. If anything Panasonic could be using 48fps per eye, or 96hz, thus removing 3:2 pulldown just as a would Samsung in 3d mode with CS on.
Edited by Icon13 - 1/17/13 at 1:38pm
post #3322 of 4279
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Originally Posted by LTE15 View Post

Is there any way to use the web browser on the E7000 without purchasing the accessory keyboard? I haven't seen any way, but I thought maybe there was an on screen keyboard and you could tab to the appropriate box by using the arrows on the remote. ?

You can use other keyboards; either Bluetooth or USB. I'm not sure which keyboards work and which do not, but I randomly plugged in my Microsoft wireless mouse/keyboard receiver and (after changing the keyboard language to US english) was able to type just fine in the web browser from my couch. Your mileage may vary, but you don't necessarily need to buy Samsung's expensive keyboard accessory.
post #3323 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

You are confusing yourself a bit. 48hz mode on Panasonic is the equivalent to 96hz CS mode on Samsung; 2:2 pulldown vs 4:4 pulldown. 48hz has nothing to do with 3d. I think both TV's utilize 120hz in 3d mode. All standard 3d movies are filmed at 24 fps, but there are two camera lenses on a 3d camera so there is actually two seperate images (L & R eye) per frame. Your TV applies 3:2 pulldown to acheive 120hz using these two vantage points from each L/R image. You can apply 96hz mode in 3d on Samsung, but IMO it causes more flicker than 3:2 120hz 3d mode; more strenuous on the eyes. If Panasonic actually used 48hz mode on 3d it would not be watchable since that would mean each L/R image would show only once, or 24 fps per eye. If anything Panasonic could be using 48fps per eye, or 96hz, thus removing 3:2 pulldown just as a would Samsung in 3d mode with CS on.

Thanks that clears it up. i was definitely confusing myself smile.gif. And just to clear my self up even more. To get 120 hz 3:2 3d mode we need to disable 24p mode on the bluray device or force 60hz on a media player like wdlive correct? Because I'd assume that if you just disable CS you would get 24 fps per eye.
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

You are confusing yourself a bit. 48hz mode on Panasonic is the equivalent to 96hz CS mode on Samsung; 2:2 pulldown vs 4:4 pulldown. 48hz has nothing to do with 3d. I think both TV's utilize 120hz in 3d mode. All standard 3d movies are filmed at 24 fps, but there are two camera lenses on a 3d camera so there is actually two seperate images (L & R eye) per frame. Your TV applies 3:2 pulldown to acheive 120hz using these two vantage points from each L/R image. You can apply 96hz mode in 3d on Samsung, but IMO it causes more flicker than 3:2 120hz 3d mode; more strenuous on the eyes. If Panasonic actually used 48hz mode on 3d it would not be watchable since that would mean each L/R image would show only once, or 24 fps per eye. If anything Panasonic could be using 48fps per eye, or 96hz, thus removing 3:2 pulldown just as a would Samsung in 3d mode with CS on.

Panasonics do not use 120hz in 3d mode, you have two choices, 60hz or 48hz, same with 2d, The Vt50 has a 96hz option.
post #3325 of 4279
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Panasonics do not use 120hz in 3d mode, you have two choices, 60hz or 48hz, same with 2d, The Vt50 has a 96hz option.
Are you sure that is not per eye, which equals 120hz and 96hz? I do not have a Panasonic, but I find those refresh rates to be far too slow for 3d considering that Panasonic was the 3d king until 2012. Also, 96hz is only for 2d mode on Panasonic I believe.
Edited by Icon13 - 1/18/13 at 3:28pm
post #3326 of 4279
It's per eye.

I owned a 60ST50 and if you turn on 48hz in 2D mode there was definite flicker, in 3D mode it was smoother and no crosstalk.

I exchanged it for a PN60E6500 because of how easy it was to develop stubborn IR and a bit of DSE. But now i have ANNOYING buzz and blacks arent comparable as some might say. Theyre not close. ST50 destroys E6500 - its still very good but no contest.

This Samsung also has a green blotch down the middle that is noticable on white -> dark grey slides.

Ugh - might just wait for F8500 or ST60...
post #3327 of 4279
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Originally Posted by jerrolds View Post

Ugh - might just wait for F8500 or ST60...

I was going to wait for the F8500, but just watching the videos when they zoom in with the camera you can hear the buzz. Looks like an issue that will never be fixed. Looking forward to an F7500 LED.
post #3328 of 4279
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Originally Posted by tbris84 View Post

I was going to wait for the F8500, but just watching the videos when they zoom in with the camera you can hear the buzz. Looks like an issue that will never be fixed. Looking forward to an F7500 LED.
So zooming with the lense of the camera makes the buzz louder?rolleyes.gif
post #3329 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

So zooming with the lense of the camera makes the buzz louder?rolleyes.gif

Watch the video and you would know what he meant rolleyes.gif
post #3330 of 4279
Hi,

My 64e7000 arriving tomorrow - the manual says the wall mount screw are M8 , but doesn't say what length . Anyone know how deep the wall mount wholes are ?

thanks
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