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post #3361 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

Strange. We have the same TV and my WOW calibration is way different. It is a few pages back if interested. Also, did you just turn 10 pt white balance on, or did you actually go through and change the settings?

I turned the white balance on based on an ISF calibration post I saw, before doing WOW. I saw your settings, and went through mine twice because of the differences. However, I have not done a calibration on my previous plasmas so it is pretty new to me. There seems to be no difference in a lot of things for example colour 49-53 look the same to me lol.

I was surprised by the contrast setting but did it about 10 times and with it fully turned up , I could clearly see the middle showing good white and the 3 lines on the left showing as per the instructions where it says you should see AT LEAST two. I have sharpness at 12 too, which is higher than yours but again, I couldn't tell any difference between small tweeks, but could just about see a diffeerence between say 12 and 30
post #3362 of 4279
ppl mention cnet calibration settings - do you have a link for them ? I would like ot compare.
post #3363 of 4279
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Originally Posted by simonoaks View Post

I turned the white balance on based on an ISF calibration post I saw, before doing WOW. I saw your settings, and went through mine twice because of the differences. However, I have not done a calibration on my previous plasmas so it is pretty new to me. There seems to be no difference in a lot of things for example colour 49-53 look the same to me lol.

I was surprised by the contrast setting but did it about 10 times and with it fully turned up , I could clearly see the middle showing good white and the 3 lines on the left showing as per the instructions where it says you should see AT LEAST two. I have sharpness at 12 too, which is higher than yours but again, I couldn't tell any difference between small tweeks, but could just about see a diffeerence between say 12 and 30
You should never change 10 pt without calibration measurement equipment. It varies from set to set. You are most likely messing up your grayscale. Default is just fine.

That contrast test is garbage. Use the clipping pattern. I believe it is under the advanced tools. It will display patterns for brightness and contrast at the same time. As far as WOW goes, my settings are dead on. I suggest using them to give you a good starting point.

Also, there is an obvious difference in color 49-52. You are supposed to use the blue filter, or better yet the blue only mode on your tv, to set color properly. Tint is set in this manner too. And if you use the sharpness pattern you will notice artifacts when sharpness rises above 6.

Just trying to help out wink.gif
Edited by Icon13 - 1/27/13 at 10:09pm
post #3364 of 4279
I've been reading over these forums for days. Like a lot of people I am torn between the 51e7000 and 50ST50. I'll be using whichever TV I get to view anything and everything SDTV/HDTV/blu-rays and down the road games. Does anyone have an idea of which TV would be the best all around TV between the two? I can live with the difference in black levels, but what I can't live with is stubborn IR and burn in. I realize that is part of owning a plasma, and I'm OK with IR just not IR that takes weeks to go away. Can anyone give some advice on which set might be best for me?
post #3365 of 4279
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Originally Posted by dabsac View Post

I've been reading over these forums for days. Like a lot of people I am torn between the 51e7000 and 50ST50. I'll be using whichever TV I get to view anything and everything SDTV/HDTV/blu-rays and down the road games. Does anyone have an idea of which TV would be the best all around TV between the two? I can live with the difference in black levels, but what I can't live with is stubborn IR and burn in. I realize that is part of owning a plasma, and I'm OK with IR just not IR that takes weeks to go away. Can anyone give some advice on which set might be best for me?
If black levels do not bother you then by a Samsung. The picture is much clearer all around, especially on cable and sat signals. Samsung also performs much better in IR tests. Just be sure to get at least a 60 inch because the 51 has lesser pq and more IR. I suggest the e7000 for best pq if you do not mind losing the voice and motion conrol.
post #3366 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

If black levels do not bother you then by a Samsung. The picture is much clearer all around, especially on cable and sat signals. Samsung also performs much better in IR tests. Just be sure to get at least a 60 inch because the 51 has lesser pq and more IR. I suggest the e7000 for best pq if you do not mind losing the voice and motion conrol.

Thanks, I was leaning toward the samsung. The only concern for me now is that you said the 51 has more IR. That is the size I'm looking at and its going to be hard to convince the wife to go bigger. I've read reports of the Panasonic IR lasting weeks. Is this the same for the 51 inch size for samsung, or is it more images stay around for a few minutes and fade?
post #3367 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

If black levels do not bother you then by a Samsung. The picture is much clearer all around, especially on cable and sat signals. Samsung also performs much better in IR tests. Just be sure to get at least a 60 inch because the 51 has lesser pq and more IR. I suggest the e7000 for best pq if you do not mind losing the voice and motion conrol.

Thanks, I was leaning toward the samsung. The only concern for me now is that you said the 51 has more IR. That is the size I'm looking at and its going to be hard to convince the wife to go bigger. I've read reports of the Panasonic IR lasting weeks. Is this the same for the 51 inch size for samsung, or is it more images stay around for a few minutes and fade?

On mine it only last a few minutes I have the 51e7000

Sent from my Galaxy SIII
post #3368 of 4279
Thanks,

Not far off what I have now. I think I will let it run in as I only have 60 hours on it so far, before I play around further. They picture seems pretty awesome to me and doesn't really change by any noticable difference if you tweek the main settings by just 3-4 either way.

I am not sure why, but my film mode is greyed out so cannot change it to cinema smooth, any ideas?

the other thing I find, is that the test video on the WOW BR like UP and Toy Story is awesome as is any BR I play, but the test scenes on the disc such as the nature video shots do not actually look that good.

I have had this tv since friday, and it is by far the best plasma I have owned, especially now I have my Roku connected and I don't have to waste my time on smarthub functionality or that of my Sony BR media , both of which cannot come close to Roku functionality and reliability.
post #3369 of 4279
After spending the better part of a year researching TVs, I finally pulled the trigger on the 51 e7000. This is my first plamsa and it is replacing a 2005 34" Panasonic HD tube. I initially wanted to get a ST50 or GT50 but got scared away after reading about all ot the Panasonic IR issues.

I've only had the TV for two weeks. I watch a lot of soccer and the Fox Soccer logo will be fixed on the screen for 45-50 minutes at a time. At halftime/end of the game I will notice very slight IR that goes away completely in under 3 minutes every time. I have done some light gaming using my PS3 and have not noticed any IR at all (not sure if it matters but I renamed the game input to PC as it seems to reduce lag). If I'm getting IR from channel logs on TVs shows, they are gone before I even notice them.

The picture quality is so good that I don't mind if another model/size has better blacks than this one. I really could not be happier with my decision. I even like the chicken foot stand that I thought I was going to hate. I do not hear any buzz at all when watching TV. If I put my ear right next to the screen I will hear a slight buzz on very bright content, but it is completely silent when at a normal distance.
post #3370 of 4279
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have an opportunity to purchase a brand new unopened PN58B860 from an authorized Samsung Dealer
with full warranty for 1k no tax free shipping 14 day return policy.My only interest is 2D picture quality and would
like to know how it may compare in 2D quality, color accuracy and black level to the PN58C8000, PN59D8000 and this years PNE8000

I read the whole PN58B860 threads and the PNC8000 threads as well but stopped there to much reading, overload big time.

If someone would be kind enough to rank the PN58B860 compared to these models mentioned above I would
appreciate the help.

Along the lines of the quote above: Im considering purchasing a 64e7000/8000 plasma for my family room. How does it compare in brightness to the 58b650 that I have in that room now. I know there was some question about brightness in 2012 because of the ABL in these sets. In addition is their much difference in picture qualiry between the e7000 amd e8000 plasmas. Any help anyone can give me in these matter would be very appreciated.

Thanks
post #3371 of 4279
So apparently I'm still looking for the ultimate PC gaming plasma. I started with a P50ST50, which had excellent black levels and good overall PQ, but suffered from really concerning levels of long IR. And the only way to get into low latency mode was though a Game mode that introduced dynamic contrast. It also didn't have great screen uniformity, but I don't know that I ever noticed that outside solid color slides.

Exchanged it for a PN60E7000. My first impression was that, while the blacks weren't quite as good, it was still an excellent TV. Overall PQ looked good (in fact it was more accurate than the ST50 was once I got it to some reasonable basic picture settings -- I'm sure they'd both be close if calibrated, but this TV is mostly for games so that's less of an option). It goes into low latency mode without engaging anything strange (PC mode seems the best option for what I'm doing, connecting it to a PC for gaming), and I'd say it has lower latency than the ST50 (tests seem to back this up). It also does seem to be very resistant to IR, as I've yet to see a single HUD or desktop element retained.

The only problem is that the motion dithering is fairly severe. This is probably something you could largely ignore in a TV that would be used primarily for actually watching TV and movies, but in games at 60fps it's extremely obvious. Since you're almost always controlling the camera the whole scene is usually moving and the motion dithering massively reduces the clarity of the image, not unlike LCD motion blur. It's not as bad, but avoiding this is the primary reason I've been trying to get a plasma to use for gaming). While the ST50 had a number of problems, it had very clear motion resolution in first person games that this TV can't match. I've been watching movies and TV on it for break-in and I haven't noticed any negative effects there, but unfortunately that's not what this TV was for.

Basically I'm thinking about returning it as well (dear Amazon: please don't ban me forever for returning 2 TVs in a month, thanks). At this point it appears that the 2012 models just aren't going to do what I want. I'm hoping that this motion dithering will be fixed in the 2013 Samsungs.
post #3372 of 4279
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Originally Posted by jae3cpamd View Post

Along the lines of the quote above: Im considering purchasing a 64e7000/8000 plasma for my family room. How does it compare in brightness to the 58b650 that I have in that room now. I know there was some question about brightness in 2012 because of the ABL in these sets. In addition is their much difference in picture qualiry between the e7000 amd e8000 plasmas. Any help anyone can give me in these matter would be very appreciated.

Thanks


Does the E7000 and E8000 series have Dynamic Modes? Also, If they do are the advanced settings avaliable if dynamic mode is engaged?
Edited by jae3cpamd - 1/29/13 at 4:10am
post #3373 of 4279
My 60 e7000 those note have motion dithering on 60hz games ,its smooth as butter
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I need some help on the HDMI Black Level Setting. I noticed some people have the setting greyed out and some are able to adjust it. Which is better, greyed out or able to adjust? I am able to adjust it. My set up is I have a PS3 and Directv HR 24 hooked up to my Sony receiver (STR-DH520) with HDMIs. From the receiver, I have one HDMI to the TV. Thanks.
post #3376 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Cev214 View Post

My 60 e7000 those note have motion dithering on 60hz games ,its smooth as butter

If you don't see it then that's great, I wasn't trying to make anyone upset about their purchase. That said, I don't see how that screenshot would display motion dithering either way. It's when moving the camera (from a first person perspective, for example) that it's most apparent, creating almost a film grain on the entire scene. It's especially obvious in a game like Borderlands where the textures are relatively flat and crisp looking. You can also demonstrate it fairly easily by moving a window with text around the screen on a computer, the text will get very grainy while it's moving and, depending on the background color, leave a trail of dithering as it moves.

Anyway, I wasn't really trying to start an argument about whether or not the effect exists; it's been mentioned in several reviews, I just didn't expect it to be as significant as it is. Of course it's not nearly as bad as LCD motion blur (you can still read the moving text, even though it's a bit grainy), I'm just a bit disappointed because I just came from another plasma that had perfectly crisp motion handling but a slew of other problems that made it unacceptable for gaming.
post #3377 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

You should never change 10 pt without calibration measurement equipment. It varies from set to set. You are most likely messing up your grayscale. Default is just fine.

That contrast test is garbage. Use the clipping pattern. I believe it is under the advanced tools. It will display patterns for brightness and contrast at the same time. As far as WOW goes, my settings are dead on. I suggest using them to give you a good starting point.

Also, there is an obvious difference in color 49-52. You are supposed to use the blue filter, or better yet the blue only mode on your tv, to set color properly. Tint is set in this manner too. And if you use the sharpness pattern you will notice artifacts when sharpness rises above 6.

Just trying to help out wink.gif

Thanks smile.gif

I didn't change anything in white pt. Just turned setting to 'on'
. I cannot tell the difference between colour 49 and even 54 !

I will change back to your settings! I have not got as far as advanced settings on disc yet. Do you remember what page your settings are on?
post #3378 of 4279
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Originally Posted by OfficialPG View Post

On mine it only last a few minutes I have the 51e7000

Sent from my Galaxy SIII
On mine, I get none. 64e7000
post #3379 of 4279
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Originally Posted by simonoaks View Post

Thanks smile.gif

I didn't change anything in white pt. Just turned setting to 'on'
. I cannot tell the difference between colour 49 and even 54 !

I will change back to your settings! I have not got as far as advanced settings on disc yet. Do you remember what page your settings are on?
It is within the last 5 pages or so. Also, turning 10 pt on without making any changes does nothing unless you alter the settings.
post #3380 of 4279
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

On mine, I get none. 64e7000

And as you know, this is all confirmed by reviews and user reports. The 51" will be more prone to IR and have mll (black levels) over double that of the 60" and 64" models. However, maximum luminance of the larger sizes will be relatively diminished compared to the 51". In actual fact the brightness level of the 60"+ will be lower than the equivalent Panasonics (however, still very much a reasonably high enough level).

As an aside, the upcoming F8500 looks very promising with a better mll (without supposedly such a disparity between the 51" and the larger size) and much greater brightness levels.
post #3381 of 4279
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

And as you know, this is all confirmed by reviews and user reports. The 51" will be more prone to IR and have mll (black levels) over double that of the 60" and 64" models. However, maximum luminance of the larger sizes will be relatively diminished compared to the 51". In actual fact the brightness level of the 60"+ will be lower than the equivalent Panasonics (however, still very much a reasonably high enough level).

As an aside, the upcoming F8500 looks very promising with a better mll (without supposedly such a disparity between the 51" and the larger size) and much greater brightness levels.

Any chance you know how bright the 51" e7000 can get in terms of FL? I saw cnet could get the 60" e8000 to only 30FL. Just curious how bright the 51" has measured.
post #3382 of 4279
Please help.
I am having trouble connecting Lenovo T520 top of the line laptop (NVidia card, DisplayPort (DP++) output only) to my new 51" e7000.
I bought an inexpensive DisplayPort to HDMI cable on Amazon that was recommended by multiple people on Lenovo forums.
The picture on TV looks really bad. There's obvious slight flicker on white background, everything is way too gray and dim, changing picture modes (movie/standard/relax) goes through weird flickers. The picture is also stretched over TV edges slightly.
I went through all the laptop graphics settings I could find. The drivers are updated, the second monitor is recognized as "Samsung" and is set to 1920x1080, true color, 60Hz. One of NVidia driver set up panes says "your set up does not support HDCP", which I assume is expected and not relevant? I don't know what else to try, other than to blame the cable that others said works fine?

My only other available source is a BluRay player - TV PQ is amazingly fabulous.
Thank you!
post #3383 of 4279
Hi All,

Forgive me if this has been addressed but I've seen assertions that the E-series plasmas are dimmer this year than in the past. I'm a current PN58C8000 owner and I was very happy until I started experiencing the dreaded "purple banding" problem that is currently raging in C7000/8000 owners thread on this forum.

I will likely get my panel replaced by an E-series equivalent such as the PN59E8000. I watch my plasma today in a room that can be quite bright at times but I'm satisfied with the picture even in bright light. I've read that the E-series TVs peak at around 30 ftL vs. around 40 ftL for the C-series? Should I be worried about an E-series TV in a bright setting?

All opinions welcome.
post #3384 of 4279
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Originally Posted by TiredTweaker View Post

Hi All,

Forgive me if this has been addressed but I've seen assertions that the E-series plasmas are dimmer this year than in the past. I'm a current PN58C8000 owner and I was very happy until I started experiencing the dreaded "purple banding" problem that is currently raging in C7000/8000 owners thread on this forum.

I will likely get my panel replaced by an E-series equivalent such as the PN59E8000. I watch my plasma today in a room that can be quite bright at times but I'm satisfied with the picture even in bright light. I've read that the E-series TVs peak at around 30 ftL vs. around 40 ftL for the C-series? Should I be worried about an E-series TV in a bright setting?

All opinions welcome.

That was just the CNET review. Chad B has a review on High Def Junkies and with his 60" E8000 he was able to get 38 fL Not as high as his VT50 and GT50 reviews where he was able to obtain 45-46 fL. Still, the E8000 has a very good filter, superior to what your current TV has so that should definitely help.
post #3385 of 4279
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

That was just the CNET review. Chad B has a review on High Def Junkies and with his 60" E8000 he was able to get 38 fL Not as high as his VT50 and GT50 reviews where he was able to obtain 45-46 fL. Still, the E8000 has a very good filter, superior to what your current TV has so that should definitely help.
Thanks for the reply but are you saying that the E-series should be as bright as my C-series is? I've seen settings in this thread where it's not uncommon to see the Cell Light set to the maximum of 20. I'd hate to live on this max setting right from the get-go. What if the max setting isn't bright enough or what happens if the panel dims as it ages? Should I be worried that there is no wiggle room?
post #3386 of 4279
The E series is a bit dimmer than previous Sammy plamas. I've calibrated several different panels(4), and all max out about 32 fL. That being said, running the cell light at 20 is normal and proper for these displays. They calibrate nicely (no clipping) with contrast near 100. If you don't do much gaming, or watch programming with high-intensity constant logos for long periods of time, you will have no issues. My current setup is in a non-light controlled room, and noon football/sports is perfectly acceptable. If I needed to watch a dark BluRay, I'd need to close the blinds. Normal OTA viewing is fine for "break-in" but running patterns for a couple of days cannot hurt and might reduce IR issues.
post #3387 of 4279
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Originally Posted by dpplasma View Post

Any chance you know how bright the 51" e7000 can get in terms of FL? I saw cnet could get the 60" e8000 to only 30FL. Just curious how bright the 51" has measured.

OK, here goes. Now I want to preface the following two links that I am well aware that European Samsungs (and Panasonics) are different in many ways to the US models. The following 2 reviews show the maximum luminance for the 51" :

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps51e8000-201209042144.htm?page=Performance

To quote from this "In terms of brightness, the 51E8000 didn’t disappoint. Measuring a full 100% white window pattern, we managed to meet our target of 120 cd/m2 in the “Movie” mode, which is some 20 cd/m2 better than what we managed on the larger PS60E6500 (no doubt this is a size vs power consumption issue). That is 35 fL.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-E8000-PS-51E80000-64E8000-3D-Plasma-Smart-TV-Review_332/Review.html

"The E8000 can also boast a considerably higher maximum light output and we were comfortably able to get around 140cd/m2 in movie mode, without clipping." That is 40.86 fL

Now to a review from a North American site. I mention this site last as it is not a good site at all with some very strange ideas how to "calibrate" (they don't actually calibrate but merely use the normal user controls of contrast, brightness etc). However, they do allege that they use a colorimeter and a spectro.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E8000-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Picture-Quality.htm

From this page they show they obtained 166.53 cd/m2 which is equivalent to 48.60 fL.

Here are the settings they used:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E8000-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Calibration.htm

Edit: I removed a statement here talking about the panels coming from the same factory in Japan as I was thinking of the Panasonics. I assume Samsung have 1 or more factories in Korea for panel manufacturing.
Edited by PeterG - 1/30/13 at 8:11am
post #3388 of 4279
I calibrated a 51" NA e540 and it could do 50 ftL on a 10% area window. The primary knock on the e-series has been that it can not achieve the full field luminance level that either the d-series can or the 2012 panasonics.
post #3389 of 4279
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

OK, here goes. Now I want to preface the following two links that I am well aware that European Samsungs (and Panasonics) are different in many ways to the US models. The following 2 reviews show the maximum luminance for the 51" :

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps51e8000-201209042144.htm?page=Performance

To quote from this "In terms of brightness, the 51E8000 didn’t disappoint. Measuring a full 100% white window pattern, we managed to meet our target of 120 cd/m2 in the “Movie” mode, which is some 20 cd/m2 better than what we managed on the larger PS60E6500 (no doubt this is a size vs power consumption issue). That is 35 fL.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-E8000-PS-51E80000-64E8000-3D-Plasma-Smart-TV-Review_332/Review.html

"The E8000 can also boast a considerably higher maximum light output and we were comfortably able to get around 140cd/m2 in movie mode, without clipping." That is 40.86 fL

Now to a review from a North American site. I mention this site last as it is not a good site at all with some very strange ideas how to "calibrate" (they don't actually calibrate but merely use the normal user controls of contrast, brightness etc). However, they do allege that they use a colorimeter and a spectro.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E8000-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Picture-Quality.htm

From this page they show they obtained 166.53 cd/m2 which is equivalent to 48.60 fL.

Here are the settings they used:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E8000-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Calibration.htm

Edit: I removed a statement here talking about the panels coming from the same factory in Japan as I was thinking of the Panasonics. I assume Samsung have 1 or more factories in Korea for panel manufacturing.

How much FL can i expect to get form an uncalibrated 51 inch e7000 or e8000 plasma in standard or dynamic mode?
Edited by jae3cpamd - 1/30/13 at 8:37am
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I'm about to purchase this TV (7000) in the next day or two, I've researched it to death and read this whole thread.

Are there any overwhelming negatives that would prevent you from recommending this TV? Like the lack of brightness recently discussed, or anything like that I may have missed.

Basically I'm down to this TV, or a Samsung LED like the 6500/7100, or waiting for next year. And I'm assuming most of you would recommend plasma over LED correct?

Thanks
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