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post #3451 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ed3120 View Post

Does anyone have any specs as far as the improvement in black level between the E series and the D series? I had a D7000 and I wasn't that impressed with the black level. Other than that, I thought it looked great. I understand that the Cinema Smooth black level increase is no longer an issue on the E series, and that Samsung claims an overall black level that is 10% better than the D series.

Does anyone have any real life experience with an A-B comparison of the two, or any meter readings? Or a comparison to a GT50?
gt50 has deeper blacks than the e8000
post #3452 of 4280
anyone have or know of any good settings for the e8000. i have it on movie mode for now until i break in my panel and it looks pretty good on movie mode. Ive tried katzmier settings from cnet and looks pretty good but cant tell much difference from the movie mode setting. idk if that is from the panel not being broken in yet but looks very similar.
post #3453 of 4280
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Originally Posted by j0hnnyyyy View Post

gt50 has deeper blacks than the e8000

That's the general opinion and I'm sure it's correct, but I was wondering by how much. I've read things saying way darker, or slightly darker. I was wondering if anyone has quantified it and said "20% darker" or something like that.
post #3454 of 4280
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Originally Posted by j0hnnyyyy View Post

anyone have or know of any good settings for the e8000. i have it on movie mode for now until i break in my panel and it looks pretty good on movie mode. Ive tried katzmier settings from cnet and looks pretty good but cant tell much difference from the movie mode setting. idk if that is from the panel not being broken in yet but looks very similar.

Let me first bestow upon you the irresputable opinion of our resident preeminent guru of all things TV and Samsung. YOU CAN'T COPY SETTINGS UNLESS THEY AGREE WITH THE SETTINGS I'VE DERIVED BY USING THE DISNEY WOW DISC.
That being said, you can try whatever in the hell you want, and if you don't like em, simply reset to default and start over. No one here has posted settings other than the CNET link and Disney WOW. If you choose CNET, the argument is that those settings are relative to that specific display and cannot be applied to any other display. I tend to agree, but there's no harm in trying them. If you think they suck, reset the mode to default and no harm done. If you choose the Disney WOW settings, you are placing your faith in the expertise of that user with his display. You might as well buy the Disney WOW disk and do it yourself. Who's to say that the posted settings are in any way shape or form accurate, or that they are even close to correct for your panel. Again, if they're not, simply reset to default and start over. It's fun to play around if you don't have meters and lack the knowledge, expertise and drive to calibrate your display correctly. If you change the settings of your display using the Disney disc or any other disc and they don't agree with the posted settings of another user, don't assume the other user is correct biggrin.gif
post #3455 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ed3120 View Post

That's the general opinion and I'm sure it's correct, but I was wondering by how much. I've read things saying way darker, or slightly darker. I was wondering if anyone has quantified it and said "20% darker" or something like that.
There's a difference I can't say a percentage. My gt50 was deeper in blacks but the e8000 to me has more natural and vibrant colors when it comes to skin tone etc. I miss the blacks on my gt50 but also my e8000 panel isn't broken in yet so maybe by aging the panel the colors and blacks would improve and by getting it calibrated
post #3456 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ed3120 View Post

That's the general opinion and I'm sure it's correct, but I was wondering by how much. I've read things saying way darker, or slightly darker. I was wondering if anyone has quantified it and said "20% darker" or something like that.
Best thing to do is find a store that has both tvs set both of the tvs on the same content and test it for yourself of course the store doesn't have a viewing like home viewing but you'll get the general concept of what both sets can do
post #3457 of 4280
Does anyone know how the blacks on the 60E7000 compare to the older Panasonic TCP65S2? I was house sitting for a month and they had a TCP65S2 and I'd say the blacks were dark enough for me. So the GT50 has darker blacks than the E7000, does the E7000 have darker blacks than the TCP65S2?
post #3458 of 4280
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Does anyone know how the blacks on the 60E7000 compare to the older Panasonic TCP65S2? I was house sitting for a month and they had a TCP65S2 and I'd say the blacks were dark enough for me. So the GT50 has darker blacks than the E7000, does the E7000 have darker blacks than the TCP65S2?
If you we're happy with the s2 blacks than for sure you'll be satisfied with the e7000. E7000/e8000 and st/gt/vt are all top market plasmas that'll all have a good qp and deep blacks I don't think you should be worry about comparing a plasma that is built three years ago also the s2 didn't get really good black level rating so I'm sure you'll be more than happy with the e7000 performance in black levels
post #3459 of 4280
Just got the PN60E7000 tv at 11am today, great service from the shipping carrier (AIT LOGISTICS).
The box is HUGE, which surprised me since I've seen other relatively small 60" boxes. smile.gif
Just did a quick hook up to my Panasonic 3d player, and tested its with Tangled blu-ray 3d. Wow, love it. Originally, I wanted a 60-65 Panasonic 3d plasma but couldn't pass on this deal ($1197 shipped from TD). No time to check on any other things yet, but first impression is great. Will test them out more this weekend.
post #3460 of 4280
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Originally Posted by j0hnnyyyy View Post

If you we're happy with the s2 blacks than for sure you'll be satisfied with the e7000. E7000/e8000 and st/gt/vt are all top market plasmas that'll all have a good qp and deep blacks I don't think you should be worry about comparing a plasma that is built three years ago also the s2 didn't get really good black level rating so I'm sure you'll be more than happy with the e7000 performance in black levels

Thanks for the quick reply, I also played around with IR while I was there, since I had it hooked up to my computer. If I left up any image for more than 10 mins or so, and then put a white notepad screen over it, I could make out silhouettes of shapes and the like. Most faded within a couple minutes, others longer. But I came to realize, I could only see the IR on a completely white screen, and it didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it would. So I'm pretty much ready to get the E7000, wasn't really worried about IR like I would on a Panny, but now I'm even more sure. I think it's like $1600 from BB right now, which is pretty good, but I might wait another week and see what happens, since TigerDirect had it for around $1200 recently.

Also wondering- I know the 2013 Sammy's wont have an E7000 equivalence, just the E8000 equivalence and the E6500 maybe? Do you think the E6500 equivalence would be worth waiting for compared to buying the E7000 now?
post #3461 of 4280
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Thanks for the quick reply, I also played around with IR while I was there, since I had it hooked up to my computer. If I left up any image for more than 10 mins or so, and then put a white notepad screen over it, I could make out silhouettes of shapes and the like. Most faded within a couple minutes, others longer. But I came to realize, I could only see the IR on a completely white screen, and it didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it would. So I'm pretty much ready to get the E7000, wasn't really worried about IR like I would on a Panny, but now I'm even more sure. I think it's like $1600 from BB right now, which is pretty good, but I might wait another week and see what happens, since TigerDirect had it for around $1200 recently.
I wouldn't really worry about ir I had a gt50 and fell asleep and barely had any ir. also BB has a 30 day match guarantee so if the price ever drops or you find anywhere else cheaper just go in to customer service and they'll refund the money of the difference
post #3462 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ferl View Post




Forget about all the numbers and watch the fricken TV biggrin.gif

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post #3463 of 4280
Gt50 has a slighty better black level,the e7000 haa better everything else in my opinion
post #3464 of 4280
I ordered a Samsung PN51E70000 a few days ago from Amazon Warehouse deals in "like new" condition, paid $799. Now waiting for delivery. I was at Magnolia in Best Buy yesterday. They had a GT50 next to the Samsung E7000 in a dark room. I set both units to factory defaults. My impression is that in Cinema mode there is little to choose between them. The Samsung colors seemed a bit warmer and maybe somewhat more natural. Either set should make any reasonable viewer happy assuming they are interested in the film content and not obsessing over small differences in black levels, which were very good for both sets.
post #3465 of 4280
Looking for calibration help for a PN60e7000. I ordered the Disney WOW DVD but in the meantime I have tried some basic calibrations I have come across in the forum.
  • do the Disney WOW get into the gamma, RGB offset/gain, White balance 10p, etc
  • With the basic adjustments I have messed with, the darks(blacks) seem too dark, unnaturally dark., how do I lighten up the blacks a little to gain shadow detail?

I just got rid of a UN55es7100 to keep the plasma, mostly because of the 60" size. I must say the 7100 LED was really nice, I liked it lot more than I thought I would while investigating all my TV options. For all the talk about how much better the plasma are I really do not see it, I am hoping the proper calibration will make the difference. I am not saying the plasma is not nice, it is awesome. I just dont see a big difference with the LED in PQ.

I am almost at a sliver level for BestBuy rewards, this will entitle me to an in-home calibration by an ISF certified tech from the Geek Squad. Some reviews in here have been less that enthusiastic with the Geeks calibrations. Any input on this, its free I think but is it worth the time versus the Disney DVD?
post #3466 of 4280
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Originally Posted by atcdav View Post

Looking for calibration help for a PN60e7000. I ordered the Disney WOW DVD but in the meantime I have tried some basic calibrations I have come across in the forum.
  • do the Disney WOW get into the gamma, RGB offset/gain, White balance 10p, etc
  • With the basic adjustments I have messed with, the darks(blacks) seem too dark, unnaturally dark., how do I lighten up the blacks a little to gain shadow detail?

I just got rid of a UN55es7100 to keep the plasma, mostly because of the 60" size. I must say the 7100 LED was really nice, I liked it lot more than I thought I would while investigating all my TV options. For all the talk about how much better the plasma are I really do not see it, I am hoping the proper calibration will make the difference. I am not saying the plasma is not nice, it is awesome. I just dont see a big difference with the LED in PQ.

I am almost at a sliver level for BestBuy rewards, this will entitle me to an in-home calibration by an ISF certified tech from the Geek Squad. Some reviews in here have been less that enthusiastic with the Geeks calibrations. Any input on this, its free I think but is it worth the time versus the Disney DVD?

The WOW disc is for basic calibration BY EYE, gamma and 2/10pt white balance cannot be done by eye - they require a meter and software. If you are experiencing crushed blacks with "normal" settings, then the first thing to check is your HDMI level setting. An easy way to do this is to simply set your source to output YCbCr, which will ensure an automatic match with the display. If you want patterns for WB calibration (and a good second opinion ot the WOW disc), I highly recommend the FREE disc available from AVS (just be sure to follow the PDF manual):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

As for BB/GS calibration, that seems to be a roll of the dice. Some people have gotten very good calibrations done (i.e., with a METER, far better than what can be done with the WOW disc). Other people have had their service menu WB settings wiped out, which destroys all the picture presets. Juts make sure they make no changes to your service menu ADC/WB settings (they can use the SM to activate cal modes, but nothing else needs to be changed in there).
post #3467 of 4280
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

The WOW disc is for basic calibration BY EYE, gamma and 2/10pt white balance cannot be done by eye - they require a meter and software. If you are experiencing crushed blacks with "normal" settings, then the first thing to check is your HDMI level setting. An easy way to do this is to simply set your source to output YCbCr, which will ensure an automatic match with the display. If you want patterns for WB calibration (and a good second opinion ot the WOW disc), I highly recommend the FREE disc available from AVS (just be sure to follow the PDF manual):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

As for BB/GS calibration, that seems to be a roll of the dice. Some people have gotten very good calibrations done (i.e., with a METER, far better than what can be done with the WOW disc). Other people have had their service menu WB settings wiped out, which destroys all the picture presets. Juts make sure they make no changes to your service menu ADC/WB settings (they can use the SM to activate cal modes, but nothing else needs to be changed in there).

Sorry but I am not sure what you mean by source output to YCbCr. My cable box HDMI setting has YPBpr, and my source options on the TV are TV, HDMI and Network. I am sure I am not understanding what your are telling me

I have looked at the tool you mentioned earlier but I do not have a blu ray burner. Is is useable thru USB?
post #3468 of 4280
I think I found what you are talking about. I my Cable box settings HDMI menu there is a choice of color space YCC 4:4:4 or RGB. It was set to YCC
post #3469 of 4280
I'm on my second buzzing E7000. Had a Samsung tech come out today. He said they all buzz the same and this was normal. I can hear it from 15 feet away. He's not going to fix it, so I'm thinking about exchanging it for a GT50.

He said that the panels inside the Samsung plasmas are made by Panasonic. I found that surprising.
post #3470 of 4280
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

The WOW disc is for basic calibration BY EYE, gamma and 2/10pt white balance cannot be done by eye - they require a meter and software. If you are experiencing crushed blacks with "normal" settings, then the first thing to check is your HDMI level setting. An easy way to do this is to simply set your source to output YCbCr, which will ensure an automatic match with the display. If you want patterns for WB calibration (and a good second opinion ot the WOW disc), I highly recommend the FREE disc available from AVS (just be sure to follow the PDF manual):

So I'm getting the "Crushed blacks" thing going on when I watch media streaming from Plex or Netflix, both a part of the SmartTV apps. Any suggestions on how to calibrate this out?
post #3471 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ed3120 View Post

I'm on my second buzzing E7000. Had a Samsung tech come out today. He said they all buzz the same and this was normal. I can hear it from 15 feet away. He's not going to fix it, so I'm thinking about exchanging it for a GT50.

He said that the panels inside the Samsung plasmas are made by Panasonic. I found that surprising.

I have no noticeable buzzing on my PN60E7000. The set can with multiple ferrite cores. I have not used them yet. Have you? maybe they would be helpful.
post #3472 of 4280
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Originally Posted by ferl View Post




You're both beating a dead horse. Both of you ended up with the Samsung display. Why worry about black levels at this point? No matter which display you finally chose, the display would look great in your home. Forget about all the numbers and watch the fricken TV biggrin.gif

Amen i love my PN60E8000
post #3473 of 4280
I ended up setting the gamma to +3 (maxed) looks a lot better to me. not washed out and I see a lot more shadow detail. I know every set is different but I wonder if this means there is an issue. I am new to plasmas so unsure how the picture changes with age. As it is I like the picture but there is nowhere to go from here unless there are other adjustments that allow for a lower(darker) gamma setting with same appearance.
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You're both beating a dead horse. Both of you ended up with the Samsung display. Why worry about black levels at this point? No matter which display you finally chose, the display would look great in your home. Forget about all the numbers and watch the fricken TV
no worries just trying to tweek the best possible picture. If you are watching the picture as is out of the box you are missing out on the full experience. Kinda like putting high performance gaming ram in your computer but not tweeking the latencies to their full potential.
post #3474 of 4280
so many different conversations. I wasny talking about other brand black levels but I am sure someone was...lol nice TV, I just want it dialed in
post #3475 of 4280
What are the best settings (besides CNET) for the PN51E8000.
post #3476 of 4280
I've been through so many TV's in the past month, 4 LED 65" 6500's, a sharp 60" for grins, (all of these exhibited bad clouding, 1 had a cracked screen). I'm now on my 2nd 64" e7000, both now have had bad buzz in my normal viewing position (front and center) at ~15'.

I am at a loss, the ferrite cores do nothing btw.

I'm considering trying the GT50 65", however when watching the best buy in store feed, namely the top 5 plays from NFL network, the E7000 displayed fine, the graininess to the Panny's pic was noticeable in that feed, you could see the football field moving, is that pretty much normal?
post #3477 of 4280
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Originally Posted by badboy808 View Post

What are the best settings (besides CNET) for the PN51E8000.

I downloaded the AVS calibration disc and on Movie/Warm 1 believe it or not most everything was just about dialed in. I have the E7000 but they are essentially then same panel.

I bumped cell light to 20, contrast to 98. Gamma +1 ,color +1 (I live a little extra color)

Sharpness 20 give or take.

Brightness 46 or less to decrease dithering and the 'tv off' effect of all black scenes.

Also, make sure the Black Level is set to off. If you have it on Dark/Darker etc. it will turn the panel off on all black scenes.

The CNET settings looked washed out, bluish and just bad on my set.

We could really use a thread just for settings on these TVs. This thread at 3,492 posts is a bit long to wade through….. smile.gif
post #3478 of 4280
what resolution am I looking at. depending on content and source the res is easily understood 720x480/60p=480p 1920x1080/60i=1080i . easy peasy. but what is 1920x1080 @60hz? 1080i or 1080p? do any sources show 1920x1080/60p when 1080p?
post #3479 of 4280
1920x1080 @60hz is usually how Samsung lists 1080p content......I do not believe Samsung has ever designated between p/i .....
post #3480 of 4280
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

1920x1080 @60hz is usually how Samsung lists 1080p content......I do not believe Samsung has ever designated between p/i .....
Thanks My TV shows the stats I stated above when I hit the info button, so it is showing p/i but in this particular case it shows @60hz. Not sure if that is 60p or if the source is determining what is displayed. ie maybe Comcast is giving the 60p, 60i info and not the TV
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