Official Samsung PNXXE7000 - PNXXE8000 owners thread - Page 27

thanks man

this tv is awesome
as far as hockey pops what are you people smoking

i find it better viewing of hockey games if i change color tone to cool or standard

...Or watch other sports on TV, Lol.

George Lucas? Is that you?

thanks LOL

Lol

in Chad b review in sure I remember thin mentioning 'choppy motion' with panning. Has anyone seen this ye ?. Thanks.

No

For all the hockey fans thinking of switching to Panasonic, here is a video of hockey Pops on the ST50
Originally Posted by crevai
Here is a quick video I took to show the brightness fluctuations during hockey when in standard mode. This video only showed a mild example I have seen it much worse. I watched a complete game today in Custom mode with no issues which is fine by me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Ng...ature=youtu.be

I think he means the fact that Samsung doesnt have antijudder(frame interpolation) system. It does play 24p perfectly which means natural telecine judder will occur. Go to cinema and see how jerky the pans are, it is because films are shot only 24 frames per second.

If one doesnt like that, then panny is the better choise since it does have frame interpolation system called intelligent frame creation.

I have seen one or two mentions of the ST having the hockey pops, but nothing about any GT's having them. I have been on the GT thread trying to figure out if they too have hockey pops so i can make my decision wether to keep my E8000 or not.

Have you seen specific comments about the GT (Not the ST) having fluctuations during hockey?

please explain to me what are hockey pops and what am i looking for

If they fixed the 24p mll-rise, maybe they fixed the mll at 50 Hz too? Last year if I remember correctly, the mll was lowest at 60 Hz, and quite a bit higher at 50 Hz and in 24p-modes.

Well, the link to YouTube that was provided didn't work for me but a quick search found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6NgF_MhcA

(If tht fails, just search for 'TC-P60ST50 brightness pops during hockey' and it will be the one with a thumbnail showing a hockey rink.)

As for what to look for, it appears to essentially be a whole-scene increase in brightness. If you look at the ice, its blindingly obvious when it happens. The narrator of the video helpfully says "right there" every time it happens, so its not hard to notice (and, really, its super-noticeable anyway).

As for whether it is a problem or not, I'm not sure. Not every tool is right for every job, and honestly hockey might just not be something plasma is ideal for. I don't watch hockey much (yes, I know, I must now turn in my Canadian card at the nearest border), so I won't lose any sleep over it, but I can see how people might be bothered by it.

The link shown was for a Panasonic TV though, so I'd be curious if you see the same thing on your PN60E8000.

i watched the u tube link i can see it in it in the u-tube video.

so now I'm watching pit. and phi. right now on NBC and I'm watching the ice on my pn60e8000 i do not see that happening

Noob question - so CS is a no go for 1080p/24p fed through windows media center or Xbox? What about all share?

Wow that u-tube video shows how bad these pops can be. I think those are even worse than on my 51'' E8000. According to the u-tube post the Panasonic ST has certain picture modes that do not do this though. My E8000 does it on all modes regardless of settings. They are more subtle than what the ST was showing there but still very noticeable.

It is interesting that you and many others are not seeing any of these pops. Maybe the larger screen sizes are less prone to it?

So is this an inherent issue with plasmas in general? I've noticed it a lot on my 51" E6500, and I'm not sure if I should look into returning it or not. I know this isn't the right thread for the 6500's, but there's a lot more action in here....

That video was shot in Standard mode, one of the worst modes possible! He says himself that it's not in Custom mode. Nobody should watch a Panasonic plasma in Standard mode.

That remains to be seen. I can tell you it is a more recent issues with some of the newer (last couple years). The Panasonic ST apparently does not do it in certain modes. I am waiting for more info on the GT, and if it is prone to these fluctuations at all. Even if it is better only in certain modes, i am will probably be making the switch to the GT.

Chad
Are you saying watching the game in standard definition or high definition in standard picture mode i watched the game in HD in Standard picture mode on my pn60e8000 i don't see it ?????

I just Purchased the PN51E8000 primarly for gaming. What picture settings should I set the TV to? Also could someone give me a quick review of the TV besides the CNET Review?

i could not get it to work with media center.. But if i use all share though my samsung dvd player it does work.

I am a proud, new owner of a PN60E7000. First time post so be kind with the flames

Ok, I've now read through this entire thread. A few observations....
1) Yes, it has the chrome, swivel stand.
2) The bezel is titanium with a thin acrylic edge.
3) The glasses provided with it are not the new 'universal' glasses, but the 3050's (I imagine that will eventually change when they finally run out of them).
4) The picture is fabulous,... out of the box.
5) I haven't seen any pops when watching hockey.
6) No apparent buzzing. (I assume there would be some noise if I put my head close enough to the panel, but since it would be difficult for me to actually watch it at the same time I don't care)
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7) I bought a sub-$30 Logitec wireless USB keyboard and mouse, plugged it in, and it immediately worked flawlessly. I see no need for the $100 Samsung integrated keyboard/touchpad (whenever it does reach market). [end edit]

I do have these questions... Should the settings for the 8000 translate to the 7000? I found a complete listing of settings (sorry, not enough posts for a URL link) over at CNet for the E8000 but no mention of whether they would be appropriate for the 7000. Also, I didn't see a listing of settings here. Did I just miss them?

While I'm not sure about the processor between the two I think the panel is otherwise the same in the 7000 and also the 6500 from what I've read and would think settings are somewhat translatable. However, just like any two different panels even within the same model and in the same size, that doesn't necessarily mean settings (or calibration) will yield the same results between two different sets.

In the D series, the CMS adjustment was scaled differently, so the numbers from an 8000 would not even come close to the proper numbers for the 7000, even though they used the same panel. Also the 7000 didn't come in line quite as well because the CMS scale was made very weak. In other words, if the cyan was oversaturated, you might have to add, say, 28 steps of red in the D8000 to get it perfect. However, in the D7000, you could max it out at 100 and it still wouldn't be enough. They maintained the 8000's superiority that way.

Chad
Are you saying watching the hockey game on a standard definition Tv channel or high definition in standard picture mode.
I watched the game on a HD Channel in Standard picture mode on my pn60e8000 i don't see it.
I don't see the HOCHEY POPS ?????

Received my PN60E7000 on Friday. This is my first plasma purchase. I applied CNETs settings just to give me something to work from. I adjusted a few things here and there and the PQ is outstanding. I do not hear any buzz at all. And even when putting my ear up close to the front and back of the set, I only hear a faint operational buzz that I would expect from any piece of electronics. Definitely not something I could hear from across the living room even with the volume all the way down. I tried to hear if a buzz would be audible with change of brightness or super bright scenes, but I didn't hear anything. So far so good.

I've still got to make some adjustments on the cable source as some of the flesh tones are washed out and pale looking. But on the PS3 source with both blu-ray and PS3 games, it looks really good. Got in some MW3 play this weekend and performance was so much better than on my LCD. I'm assuming the refresh rate of 600hz instead of the 120hz on my old LCD might have helped? I really notice the improved smoothness during fast action scenes too. I did a test with the Planet Earth blu-ray where there is a huge flock of birds flying through the air. On my old set, it could not process the scene fast enough and most of the birds were pixelated and blocky (there's probably a more technical term for this?). The E7000 had no trouble, and all the birds looked sharp with no pixelation as they moved across the screen. The black levels seem to be outstanding as well. Not saying they are the best, but no complaints here. I was also a little afraid of IR, especially playing PS3 games on it before it was really broke in. I saw no indication of IR even when I left some of the menu screens up for an extended amount of time. I'm sure there might be some if I left a static screen up for longer, but I'd rather not test that. During normal viewing conditions, I don't see IR being a big issue.

Set did come with the 3050s glasses, which I was happy with because I haven't heard too many good things about the newer ones. I didn't get a chance to view any 3D Blu-rays, but I did check out some of the 3D programs on Comcast On Demand. I didn't watch enough to notice any 3D performance problems, so I'll leave out comments on this until I can get some 3D Blu-rays.

As far as design/looks go, this thing is very classy. The stand really bugged me from the pictures, but it actually didn't look so bad when I saw it in person. Doesn't matter anyway since I'll be mounting it to the wall soon. I really like the dark brushed metallic bezel too. Looks great!

I was really afraid of some of the things I've read in the forums on these sets, and I have to say that none of the major issues have seemed to be a problem on mine. I did come from an LCD TV, so I was concerned with brightness. I think this TV is totally fine, even viewing during the day, at least in my viewing environment. Brightness was not an issue for me at all.

I think my only complaint so far, is that the screen is a little more reflective than my last set. But really is not a big issue since I do not have any windows straight across from it.

I've only had a few days of viewing, but I'm extremely happy with it so far.

Is anyone controlling their Samsung TV through IP? I want to do this with my RedEye system, but I need to know how Samsung implemented this - they have not provided any info, but there is IP remote control software for Samsung out there.

The video was of someone watching HD hockey in the Standard picture mode on a Panasonic. Standard mode is a very poor choice. It does have significant visible pumping and other major flaws.

I'm having the same problem with the new Apple TV - no film mode options are selectable. Yet my LG bluray player works fine. Anyone have a guess why one 1080p signal activates film mode options and another doesn't?