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post #931 of 4151
4/30/12 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

the way to filter it out is change the channel and watch something else or tell all those people at the games to turn off their cameras LOL
it's all part of the feed if you were at the game you would see those cameras flashing

True, but my whole field of vision wouldn't be flashing..
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post #932 of 4151
4/30/12 at 7:58am
The biggest flashes you see are from overhead strobes provided for official photographers, if you catch a good freeze frame you can actually see the crowd light up, there is nothing you can do about it on your end.
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post #933 of 4151
4/30/12 at 8:03am
Is this an issue with only plasma, or would this happen with LED LCD etc also?


Forgive me for being paranoid. It was a fairly expensive purchase for me.
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post #934 of 4151
4/30/12 at 8:07am
Don't worry. It has nothing to do with the display technology, I even see it on my 25 yr old CRT.
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post #935 of 4151
4/30/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Matt Stieg View Post

I have the E550 and it IS annoying. And it's not going to get any better, the more movies you watch the more it'll happen. Hopefully Samsung starts getting more complaints about it and issues some sort of firmware fix (a la last year's brightness pops).

The black fades dont bother me all that much. I guess its because it is not interupting anything of importance that is really taking place during the movie. But from a sense of being fully immersed in a movie for the entire time w/o being interupted...i can understand your frustration. I think for me i constantly think about the fact i am watching tv and scrutinize the PQ so much that i dont always find myself getting ''lost'' in a movie anyways (unless it is a great movie of corse).

But I do notice wierd things happening with CS engaged. There is flicker in certain bright area's of the screen. I am a bit sensitive to plasma flicker, but it is not nearly as noticeable with CS shut off. I dont notice the a big improvement in motion or movement with the CS engaged anyway, so i have usually been leaving it off.

Samsung needs to come up with a FW upgrade to address both these issues.
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post #936 of 4151
4/30/12 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Matt Stieg View Post

I have the E550 and it IS annoying. And it's not going to get any better, the more movies you watch the more it'll happen. Hopefully Samsung starts getting more complaints about it and issues some sort of firmware fix (a la last year's brightness pops).

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Originally Posted by Matt Stieg View Post

Well the flickering now appears to be adjustable. Last night on my E550, pushing contrast from default (movie mode) 95 to 100 and brightness from default 45 to 46 eliminates it. At those adjusted settings, the screen now stays on during the completely black screen overture at the beginning of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World (with the default settings the screen would flicker back and forth several times at the very beginning and finally shut off). Likewise, the fade in The Lost Boys between the scene at the beginning of the film where the vampires nab the amusement park security guard in the parking lot and the opening credits now stays on, whereas before it would flicker off and on two or three times. These were the only two things I tested last night before going to bed but I would imagine all fade outs/ins would be the same.

Keeping brightness at 46 and dialing contrast back down to default 95 would re-introduce the flickering. Likewise, keeping contrast at 100 but dialing brightness down one tick to default 45 would again introduce flickering. Pushing brightness beyond 46 introduced minor dithering in letterbox bars and at 49 it was all-out full blown dithering. I did not test contrast between 95 and 100 so I don't know about any of those settings.

The thing is, I don't know if I necessarily like the way the adjusted settings look compared to default movie mode, but I didn't really see any discernible difference on the Disney WOW black and white clipping test other than at contrast 100 the brightest white stars near 255 blended into the background, so maybe it's just in my head (this was around 4 in the morning too so I was pretty tired, lol).

That is interesting. I did notice brightness at anything above 46 dithers. So keeping it at 46 seems ok. But with the contrast at 100 causing the brightest stars (255) to clip on the test, is that an issue? Is that amount of white clipping within an "acceptable" range to still maintain great PQ?
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post #937 of 4151
4/30/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Don't worry. It has nothing to do with the display technology, I even see it on my 25 yr old CRT.

Same game, on my vizio 22 in LED didnt have the issue. That's why i'm all tight.
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post #938 of 4151
4/30/12 at 9:47am
...then there is something wrong with your vizio.
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post #939 of 4151
4/30/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

That is interesting. I did notice brightness at anything above 46 dithers. So keeping it at 46 seems ok. But with the contrast at 100 causing the brightest stars (255) to clip on the test, is that an issue? Is that amount of white clipping within an "acceptable" range to still maintain great PQ?

After further testing I think I may have had black tone set to "low" earlier, which is why I had to push contrast to 100. Taking a look again, leaving contrast at 95 but raising brightness one tick, 45 to 46, solved the issue.

So the fix is literally one tick of brightness from default 45 to 46, all other settings can be left at default (though I would recommend to anyone lowering sharpness). You can test this out for yourself on any fade to black that causes the issue. Set at 45 and you'll see the screen either turn off or flicker, rewind that same fade at 46 and the screen will stay on during the fade and not flicker. The only thing I did notice with brightness 46 is just the very lightest stray dither here and there near where letterbox bars and the picture area meet but you have to be right up at the screen; from a regular seating position you don't see this at all.

Brightness 45 and 46 looked virtually identical on my Disney WOW brightness test.
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post #940 of 4151
4/30/12 at 10:53am
Can someone tell me, if the PN64E8000 supports 3D checkerboard mode? Some people asked about this already, but noone answered. The C generation had this, they left it out in the D generation. I hope it's back this time!
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post #941 of 4151
4/30/12 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Flipadelphia26 View Post

Is this an issue with only plasma, or would this happen with LED LCD etc also?


Forgive me for being paranoid. It was a fairly expensive purchase for me.

i watched Hokey on my UN46D8000 and on my PN60E8000 same camera flashes I'M seeing on both of them
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post #942 of 4151
4/30/12 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Bingo! it's a camera flash.

after the fixes you and others have come up with i cannot believe you don't see the bright scene brightness pops !.

I don't watch this hockey as i live I the UK but i see the white pops on quite a lot of material.

Cheers.
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post #943 of 4151
4/30/12 at 6:15pm
Does anyone know if there's any PQ differences between the PN51E7000 and the PN51E6500? I'm struggling to decide between the two.

I don't think I need (or will use) any of the extra features that the E7000 series will bring..

Most concerning to me is the buzzing issue everyone is complaining about.. Does anyone know if I will have a better chance avoiding this with the E7000 series set? It seems posters here have have had better luck with the 7000 series.
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post #944 of 4151
4/30/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by MMhardKy View Post

Can someone tell me, if the PN64E8000 supports 3D checkerboard mode? Some people asked about this already, but noone answered. The C generation had this, they left it out in the D generation. I hope it's back this time!

Samsung PDP's support Side-by-Side and Top-and-Bottom 3D modes. And of course standard commercial 3D blu-ray. Checkerboard 3D mode is only supported in LCD/LED displays.
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post #945 of 4151
4/30/12 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Stieg View Post

After further testing I think I may have had black tone set to "low" earlier, which is why I had to push contrast to 100. Taking a look again, leaving contrast at 95 but raising brightness one tick, 45 to 46, solved the issue.

So the fix is literally one tick of brightness from default 45 to 46, all other settings can be left at default (though I would recommend to anyone lowering sharpness). You can test this out for yourself on any fade to black that causes the issue. Set at 45 and you'll see the screen either turn off or flicker, rewind that same fade at 46 and the screen will stay on during the fade and not flicker. The only thing I did notice with brightness 46 is just the very lightest stray dither here and there near where letterbox bars and the picture area meet but you have to be right up at the screen; from a regular seating position you don't see this at all.

Brightness 45 and 46 looked virtually identical on my Disney WOW brightness test.

good to know
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post #946 of 4151
4/30/12 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by panman40 View Post

after the fixes you and others have come up with i cannot believe you don't see the bright scene brightness pops !.

I don't watch this hockey as i live I the UK but i see the white pops on quite a lot of material.

Cheers.

what size and model do you have? I see bright scene pops on my 51E8000. First and most often during hockey, but now i notice them on other content as well. Sometimes shots of the sky will cause it.
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post #947 of 4151
5/1/12 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

what size and model do you have? I see bright scene pops on my 51E8000. First and most often during hockey, but now i notice them on other content as well. Sometimes shots of the sky will cause it.

Same here with my 51E6500. Noticed it first while watching hockey, but it also happens with other content...specifically animation. I thought this was an inherent issue with plasma TVs, but it doesn't sound like everybody is seeing these brightness pops???
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post #948 of 4151
5/1/12 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by TranZella View Post

Same here with my 51E6500. Noticed it first while watching hockey, but it also happens with other content...specifically animation. I thought this was an inherent issue with plasma TVs, but it doesn't sound like everybody is seeing these brightness pops???

Well i can tell you that i have checked out 3 different GT50's in store and there are NO FLUCTUATIONS or pops even with hockey.

Samsung needs to come out with a FW upgrade to get rid of this..but i doubt they will.
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post #949 of 4151
5/1/12 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Well i can tell you that i have checked out 3 different GT50's in store and there are NO FLUCTUATIONS or pops even with hockey.

Samsung needs to come out with a FW upgrade to get rid of this..but i doubt they will.


Do you plan on exchanging your E8000 for the GT50?
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post #950 of 4151
5/1/12 at 7:49am
[quote=Dstew419;21970643]Do you plan on exchanging your E8000 for the GT50?[/QUOTE

I am trying to, but my E8000 was a replacement for a defective C7000. I accepted it instead of a cash refund directly from Samsung. I have other issues with the Tv as well (buzzing, 5 dead pixels) so i have requested a cash or credit refund from Samsung. If i get it i am going to get the GT50. It looks really good.

I would have no problem asking for i new E8000 if only for the buzz and dead pixels, cuz i love the picture. Its just that i am not confident these screen fluctuation issues will ever be addressed. From what i understand Samsung never fully addressed and resolved last years (D model) FBr issues which were much worse. The fact that most people dont see any fluctuations on the new E models means that Samsung probably wont get enough complaints to worry about doing anything about it.

The wild card is the expansion pack on the E8000. Who knows at this point how valuable that could end up being. I could end up regretting the switch but i doubt it since i watch alot of hockey.
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post #951 of 4151
5/1/12 at 8:19am
I'm kind of in a similar boat, with regard to switching to the pannny gt or vt, because of the price differerence... The deep black levels on the gt50 were impressive, although I think the E8000 had a slight edge over the panny in overall PQ. I rarely use the voice control or face recognition system. Knock on wood I haven't experienced the 'brightness pops' issue and the initial buzz I heard has dropped off considerably.

The wildcard for me is the expansion slot... supposedly you will be able to plug in a new card and get a relatively new TV out of it(?)... but who knows when or HOW much that will cost.

At this point I'm at 31 days so it's probably too late... depending on how well the VT looks, I might just have to fork over the additional funds for the panny and move the sammy to the bedroom.
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post #952 of 4151
5/1/12 at 9:02am
I just want to thank everyone who helped me. I have stepped off the ledge. They are camera flashes and I do see see them on my vizio.

e7000 is a sick, sick TV and I am looking forward to people posting their calibration numbers.
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post #953 of 4151
5/1/12 at 9:48am
Here in Finland 64E8000 is about 3000 and 65ST50 is about 3200. Im wondering which one to get.

Currently i have 51D550. I want bigger screen, better antiglare/bright room performance, brighter 3D and better blacks.

I do game and watch hockey.
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post #954 of 4151
5/1/12 at 9:55am
So a few weeks back I posted that I had a problem with my set turning on/off a couple of times per hour. I thought I had fixed the problem through updating the firmware but it didn't do the trick. I called the local store and they replaced the set for me. I now have a new 64E8000 and it too has the same problem. I turned off all the Eco and Anynet options and it still occurs. The store tested the old set at their showroom and it works fine, so i don't think it is a defect and maybe just a software problem.

At one point I thought it may be caused by the HD Cablevision box, but I noticed the Samsung menu actually freezes right before the set turns off and none of the buttons on the Samsung remote work during this 20-30 second period. The Cablevision remote works during this freeze period. I can change channels just fine while the Samsung screen is frozen. I also had a 58" Samsung plasma before the E8000 hooked up to the same cable box and never had a problem.

I decided to call Samsung Support and they told me that it may be a software conflict with my WiFi network. He suggested I disconnect the TV from the network and see if the problem persists. He also said that a new software update is due out soon to correct the issues they are having with network conflicts, but hasn't heard about my specific problem by any other customers just yet. I will try his suggestion tonight and report back. Any other tips are greatly appreciated.

Tones
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post #955 of 4151
5/1/12 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Jtm79 View Post

Here in Finland 64E8000 is about 3000€ and 65ST50 is about 3200€. Im wondering which one to get.

Currently i have 51D550. I want bigger screen, better antiglare/bright room performance, brighter 3D and better blacks.

I do game and watch hockey.

the PQ of the E8000 is great, but if you love hockey choose wisely. Both the Samsung E's and Panny ST's have both been showing that they are prone to brightness fluctuations while watching hockey.

The GT's on the other hand have had NO reports of the fluctuating brightness issue that i have found, and the 3 i have checked in store back that up. Hockey looked good on the GT with no pops.
But i will say the IR on the GT looked to me to be worse than on my E8000. Not sure about the ST though.

Not sure about the availability in your area, but if you decide on the Sammy why not save a few bucks and get the 7000? Dont they have the same panel and antiglare filter as the 8000? Has anyone compared the PQ between the 2? I am willing to bet its the same. Unless you really want all the fancy camera/voice/motion stuff in the 8000 (which i never use BTW), it seems like a waste of money to me...unless of corse you think the expansion kit will be worth anything in the future.
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post #956 of 4151
5/1/12 at 11:07am
I could be mistaken, but I think the 8000 series has the 'local contrast enhancer panel technology', not the 7000.

Not sure of how much a difference it makes.
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post #957 of 4151
5/1/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

the PQ of the E8000 is great, but if you love hockey choose wisely. Both the Samsung E's and Panny ST's have both been showing that they are prone to brightness fluctuations while watching hockey.

The GT's on the other hand have had NO reports of the fluctuating brightness issue that i have found, and the 3 i have checked in store back that up.
But i will say the IR on the GT looked to me to be worse than on my E8000. Not sure about the ST though.

If you decide on the Sammy, why not save a few bucks and get the 7000? Dont they have the same panel and antiglare filter as the 8000? Has anyone compared the PQ between the 2? I am willing to bet its the same. Unless you really want all the fancy camera/voice/motion stuff in the 8000 (which i never use BTW), it seems like a waste of money to me...unless of corse you think the expansion kit will be worth anything in the future.

Thanks for the answer Well i love hockey so i have to think, i rather have fbr than lcd banding though.

We dont get E7000 this year in Finland, only 8000 and 6500. E8000 is the only one to have clear image panel, not sure what it does. What is that expansion slot for?

I hate ir and that is why i prolly choose sammy. Have you had any ir? Panny in the other hand have frame interpolation and sometimes i like to use it.

Difficult decisions
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post #958 of 4151
5/1/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

I just got off the phone with Samsung and they will be picking up my 64D8000 and exchanging it for a new set. Whether it's the 64E8000 or the same set I'm not sure yet as they will call me about it but I'm sure going to push for the new set. My 64D had a problem with 3D PQ.

jbug,
I've got a different issue (burn in) that's not covered under warranty. Can you tell me what you said, as near as you can remember, that got Samsung to completely replace your set? After running the screen burn-in protection wipe for few months on and off and only a modest improvement to show for the effort, I'm probably going to sell mine (PN64D8000) for whatever I can get and start over if I can't have it replaced. Thanks!
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post #959 of 4151
5/1/12 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by Jtm79 View Post

Thanks for the answer Well i love hockey so i have to think, i rather have fbr than lcd banding though.

We dont get E7000 this year in Finland, only 8000 and 6500. E8000 is the only one to have clear image panel, not sure what it does. What is that expansion slot for?

I hate ir and that is why i prolly choose sammy. Have you had any ir? Panny in the other hand have frame interpolation and sometimes i like to use it.

Difficult decisions

the expansion slot according to samsung will make the 8000 "future proof" for upgrades. At this point nobody really knows exactly what they will be, how they will help and how expensive this will be. In my opinion its probably a gimmick to sell more tv's. I may end up regretting it (i doubt it) but am in the process of getting a refund for my 51''E8000 to purchase a 55''GT50.

BTW my E8000 does have IR but it is fairly minimal, and almost never noticeable during normal viewing.
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post #960 of 4151
5/1/12 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by Capt Plasma View Post

jbug,
I've got a different issue (burn in) that's not covered under warranty. Can you tell me what you said, as near as you can remember, that got Samsung to completely replace your set? After running the screen burn-in protection wipe for few months on and off and only a modest improvement to show for the effort, I'm probably going to sell mine (PN64D8000) for whatever I can get and start over if I can't have it replaced. Thanks!

What caused the burn in?
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