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post #511 of 896
It was a rather boring episode for me. The bad guy would have been killed/stopped in the first encounter if the Arrow hasn't gone soft. Bad guy escaping the first time gave them an excuse to drag the show on for the second encounter. Oliver should be just be like Dexter.
post #512 of 896
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Holy crap! I thought it was just me. In the first episode she looked far too glamorous but seeing her closeups this week made me think she has had some kind of surgery on her face. Something about her looks off. Her chin maybe?

After viewing Laurel in the latest episode, my conclusions are--

1-She has had Botox injected. The skin on her forehead did not once (that I noticed) ever move or wrinkle. Even when that huge pipe was in her mouth, her forehead was "smooth".
2-Either she has lost weight and/or had plastic surgery performed on her face. Her face (around her mouth) looked much thinner to me.
3-Her teeth look way too perfect to me. I don't remember them looking so much like perfection last season.

So, yes, I concur she very much looks different this season than last.
post #513 of 896
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I called it! (sorta'). So the platinum blonde chick (I think IMDB has her credited only as "Pretty girl") is a defector from a super-villain's crew. Okay, and her motivations are murky; that's to be expected.

But how did she know where the Baddie had taken Laurel and her dad? Ollie knew because Felicity tracked down the van Baddie used, but Blondie had no such info - Roy's phone text only said that Laurel had been kidnapped. How did Blondie know where to go?

And how did she know about Ollie's predicament? At least Felicity asked that question out loud -- not that we're going to get an answer. Maybe its the girlfriend from the island after captivity and training by Ras al Ghul?
post #514 of 896
I now rescind my previous assertion that they must have cast a new Laurel. It's still Katie Cassidy. redface.gif

She looked like the old Laurel in this episode. But I continue to question why a drop-dead gorgeous 26 year old would be considering any kind of cosmetic procedure, botox included. Utterly not necessary, or desirable. She's decades away from that crap. I now concur with "Mike1812", on the previous page, that Katie's different look in the first episode must have been due to a different make-up procedure.
post #515 of 896
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And how did she know about Ollie's predicament? At least Felicity asked that question out loud -- not that we're going to get an answer. Maybe its the girlfriend from the island after captivity and training by Ras al Ghul?

I guess she could have been following Ollie. First, to Laurel's office and then, alerted by Roy's text message, to the Baddie's hideout.

But if that was the case, she'd have to know where Ollie was coming from, and thus who he really is. We got a good look at her face (wearing an eye mask, but still...). Was it really Shado?
post #516 of 896
I don't think Shado - they are using a different actress with totally different looks for the role, so I doubt they'd want to reconcile 2 people as one and the same. What if:
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the Lance sister didn't really die in the shipwreck. . .what if she was saved and trained by Ra's Al Ghul? That would stay semi-true to the comics (at least keeping BC's alter-ego in the family). And of course, lead later into GA/BC's romance.

BTW, I don't know anything, but for those who haven't read the comics and may not know the characters, I chose to put my theory in spoiler tags as a precaution.
post #517 of 896
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Originally Posted by mike1812 View Post

I don't think Shado - they are using a different actress with totally different looks for the role, so I doubt they'd want to reconcile 2 people as one and the same. What if:
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the Lance sister didn't really die in the shipwreck. . .what if she was saved and trained by Ra's Al Ghul? That would stay semi-true to the comics (at least keeping BC's alter-ego in the family). And of course, lead later into GA/BC's romance.

BTW, I don't know anything, but for those who haven't read the comics and may not know the characters, I chose to put my theory in spoiler tags as a precaution.


That's an interesting idea. I don't know the comics. I don't think its a spoiler if it is just conjecture. It goes with the idea that this gal knows Ollie.
post #518 of 896
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Originally Posted by mike1812 View Post

I don't think Shado - they are using a different actress with totally different looks for the role, so I doubt they'd want to reconcile 2 people as one and the same. What if:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the Lance sister didn't really die in the shipwreck. . .what if she was saved and trained by Ra's Al Ghul? That would stay semi-true to the comics (at least keeping BC's alter-ego in the family). And of course, lead later into GA/BC's romance.

BTW, I don't know anything, but for those who haven't read the comics and may not know the characters, I chose to put my theory in spoiler tags as a precaution.

I don't think you need to spoilerize it either. They're not necessarily following the comic canon, and conjecture is what we do here. And I think your theory is certainly possible.
post #519 of 896
You can find the answer to the identity of the masked woman in the link HERE. Of course, it contains spoilers, so go there if you want the definitive answer
post #520 of 896
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You can find the answer to the identity of the masked woman in the link HERE. Of course, it contains spoilers, so go there if you want the definitive answer

Must....resist.....temptation....
post #521 of 896
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You can find the answer to the identity of the masked woman in the link HERE. Of course, it contains spoilers, so go there if you want the definitive answer

Don't Click on Shiny Red Button.
DON'T CLICK
post #522 of 896
Haven't really liked the last two episodes of Arrow. Something seems a miss.

On the other hand, i am really enjoying "The Blacklist" smile.gif
post #523 of 896
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Originally Posted by rustycruiser View Post

You can find the answer to the identity of the masked woman in the link HERE. Of course, it contains spoilers, so go there if you want the definitive answer
You can also find the answer two pages back in this thread posted in the open in a repost from the HOTP thread.
post #524 of 896
I didn't care for the last episode. We already know this show can do better than having a villain of the week, so it isn't a good sign in my book to be having filler this early in the season. I think the flashbacks are integrated poorly this season, too. Each scene is far too short, which makes the transitions choppy. It's like they wanted to scale back the amount of time spent on the island without totally removing that aspect of the show, but advancing the island subplot this slowly over the course of the season is going to get annoying.
post #525 of 896
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I didn't care for the last episode. We already know this show can do better than having a villain of the week, so it isn't a good sign in my book to be having filler this early in the season. I think the flashbacks are integrated poorly this season, too. Each scene is far too short, which makes the transitions choppy. It's like they wanted to scale back the amount of time spent on the island without totally removing that aspect of the show, but advancing the island subplot this slowly over the course of the season is going to get annoying.

I think the island subplots are part of the DNA of the show, although I agree with you that they've not as seamless as last year. They're probably not going anywhere - and the 5 year stretch Ollie spent on the Isle-o'-Doom corresponds nicely to the hopeful 5+ year run of the series. Personally, I kind of like them. Although I could have done without the Ollie/Shado romance. OTOH it is the CW, after all.
post #526 of 896
That's my point: the island subplots shouldn't have been truncated, and they should at least have been truncated gracefully, which they weren't. They lasted longer last year, and they were better that way. They're often more interesting than the A story.
post #527 of 896
There is definitely Botox at work here. Either that or Laurel swallowed too much of the Dollmaker's plastinator and it went straight to her forehead. During her crying admission of guilt nothing above her nose moved! biggrin.gif

Laurel isn't the only one changing. I think Diggle and Ollie are having a buffness competition too. If Diggle gets any bigger they are going to have to get a new Arrow-decoy costume made at Starling Big and Giant.

I enjoyed this week not so much for VotW but because the scenario was used to establish some new working partnerships. Now Queen has his own Gordon it increases his team and makes one less person pursuing Arrow purely to give him an ongoing antagonist. This episode I thought they did a good job of throwing a lot of balls on the field especially since it didn't give the show time to go full-on CW. The romance angles have been shaved down and Thea is less of a brat now too.

I'm also fine with Ollie trying to turn over a new leaf to distinguish himself from a common criminal. Especially since he is still as violent as ever. I particularly liked the "he has another shoulder" and "Sorry, my friend gets a bit too enthusiastic." which made me laugh.
post #528 of 896
To me, having Laurel and her father switch roles as the reluctant ally and the witchhunter just feels like the show's spinning its wheels instead of having actual character development. I hope Laurel cools off in future episodes.
post #529 of 896
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

To me, having Laurel and her father switch roles as the reluctant ally and the witchhunter just feels like the show's spinning its wheels instead of having actual character development.

Except now the role reversal actually works. Quentin is more useful to the plot dynamic than Laurel was. If Laurel drops out of the show she won't be missed by me. During the first season she was less an ally and more a justification to have some weak romance angle. Even if Laurel is now on Ollie's side and works against Pike she will still be a character with no real reason to exist.
post #530 of 896
I have a funny feeling like... I will spoiler my next statement, because it revolves around something known to be coming that others might not want to know:
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So... we know Laurel's sister isn't dead after all... but is back as the Black Canary. Given that... I can't help but think we will be headed towards a death for Laurel at some point and then she further inspires her sister to carry on as a hero alongside Oliver. They did too much with the "my sister/daughter" died plot last year that I can't imagine them not turning that upside down... otherwise it's a happy reunion all around with the whole Lance family happy and healthy.
post #531 of 896
I just finished catching up on the first season. Have to say I enjoy it more than the second season so far.

I expect the show will get better with appearance of the Black Canary though. Detective Quentin will now have to deal with two vigilantes and one of them is his daughter. Will Oliver get to do both sisters this time? I still don't like that fact that he is going soft though.
post #532 of 896
@ HDMe2
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They'd better not go all women-in-refrigerators on Laurel. I wouldn't miss her if she left the show, but wasting her death on such a trope would be lame.
post #533 of 896
I am disappointed that the Arrow Team hasn't figured out who the lady in mask is, or at least have some suspicions about her. Oliver asked Roy to find out who she was, but never followed up on that. If Oliver had asked Roy what he found out, he would have learned that Roy was let go after the Black Canary saw the message on his phone. That message had two names on it: Thea and Laurel. He would then have deduced that Black Canary let Roy go because she realized he is connected to the one of the names on the phone. Since message was about Laurel being kidnapped, he would have further deduced that Roy was not harmed because of the name Laurel. Later Black Canary helped Oliver fight Laurel's kidnapper and killed him even though he wanted him alive to face prison. This shows that Black Canary has some personal interest in Laurel. All Oliver had to do was to put two and two together.
post #534 of 896
^yes but that would leave the writers trying to fill another 10 episodes by revealing all of that at once! smile.gif
post #535 of 896
Writers' tendency to mistake dragged-out plot points for suspense is one of the most annoying aspects of shows like these. It would be better to plan out the seasons in advance and make them shorter if they couldn't come up with anything interesting for 20 episodes.
post #536 of 896
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Writers' tendency to mistake dragged-out plot points for suspense is one of the most annoying aspects of shows like these. It would be better to plan out the seasons in advance and make them shorter if they couldn't come up with anything interesting for 20 episodes.

I'd love to see the broadcast nets adopt the cablers' "short" season episode count of 12 or 13. It would probably help the overall quality of the product, as well as head off viewer fatigue. For me, 12 eps is enough.
post #537 of 896
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'd love to see the broadcast nets adopt the cablers' "short" season episode count of 12 or 13. It would probably help the overall quality of the product, as well as head off viewer fatigue. For me, 12 eps is enough.

A short season on CW would mean they would run out of programming within six months!
post #538 of 896
I am still catching up to this season, but maybe it is my faulty memory, but I do not remember the actress playing Lauriel being this bad last season. All of her lines come off as stilted and unconvincing.
post #539 of 896
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

I am still catching up to this season, but maybe it is my faulty memory, but I do not remember the actress playing Lauriel being this bad last season. All of her lines come off as stilted and unconvincing.

I felt the same way. It was one of the reasons I thought the character had been recast. But it's still Katie Cassidy playing the role. Maybe they're just not writing as well for her this season...?

But now with the reveal of Sara being the Black Canary (that happened fast - I really thought they'd drag that out a while longer), they may be trying to nudge Laurel out of the picture.
post #540 of 896
It should have been Sara who saved Laurel and their father. She came to the city after the quake to protect her family, yet they gave the save to Oliver? Laurel should stick around to provide some sister/family drama.
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