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I was also impressed by the pilot. I just hope this doesn't end up using a "villain of the week" format. I'd rather have it dive into more interesting stuff from the start.

So far, it is working....but only just.

IIRC, the original Green Arrow did not have superpowers....just a guy who could shoot an apple off someone's head blindfolded.
Unfortunately, this recipe will not work in a century that has machine guns and smart bombs (IMO).
He must be much MUCH more than an archer or this show won't make it.

Also, Mr. Queen is too similar to Mr. Wayne.

Loved the pilot. Impressive. Very excited for this ...

Agreed.

Uninhabited islands tend to be uninhabited for a reason. It's far more likely his archery skills would be honed spearing fish than wild boars. But, I'm willing to believe that he survive precisely because he happended to land on an island that had what he needed to survive.
The problem is, we've been groomed by TV and movies to think anyone can make a headshot at 50 yards on a guy who happens to poke his head out from behind his hostage - or that one bullet can take someone down every time.

The fact is, in a panic shooting situation using a gun with a tremendous amunt of kick (like an automatic weapon would have), you miss an amazingly large amount of the time. The reality of shooting at someone who is shooting back is less what we see on TV and more what you'd see in dash-cam footage where a cop and a criminal are shooting at each other from 10 feet apart, yet they miss again and again.

Granted, I would have liked to see Arrow have had a bit more cover in some parts of the scene, but he kept moving between areas of cover, which makes it difficult to hit someone that way. Don't forget, the other guy was likely practically crapping himself and panic firing after what had happened to the rest of the gang.

How do you know the island was uninhabited?

Given that he was running about hunting and stuff, then lighting a signal fire with flaming arrows to signal ships, it's likely he wasn't sharing the island with friends. While it's possible there might be a native population, it's pretty rare that you'd find people that wouldn't have some communications with the outside world - even if only infrequently.

True isolation is rare and usually only happens with people living deep in large tracts of innaccesable land, like in rain forests in Brazil. An island would have to be absolutely massive to have a population that had no contact with the outside world.

My guess: he was alone, if nothing else for the sake of not having to pay a lot of extras for the island flashbacks.

I think that is going to be part of the back story that pervades this series. I'm guessing that the answer isn't going to be as simple as an uninhabited island. I bet you are going to see some physical and spiritual teachers etc.

Note: This is purely my guess and I have no spoiler information on this.

Agreed, the reality is much different than fiction.
However, this is Hollywood, and we have been trained to believe "professionals" have skills WELL beyond the norm.

Like a weapon with a 30 rd. mag that fires 800 rounds a minute in full auto lasting 20 to 30 seconds between reloads - or often indefinitely until the shooter is hit.

To me, it wasn't the accuracy of the shooter, it was how many rounds were being pumped out in Arrow's general direction. At some point, there is luck involved or a ricochet that would get him. Arrow was bearing down pretty closely and the idea of dodging bullets is one of tv's worse ideas.

You mean....it isn't possible?

Exactly, it's stretching believability a bit too far IMO.
A little bit of parkour will only take ya so far.

Sheesh...this is a TV rendition of a comic book series (and, IMHO, based on only one show, a very rare and true to comic book genre presentation). I want more.

I can tolerate my "believability" being stretched quite a bit for a show like this. As long as the story they tell stays interesting.

The fact that bad guys are terrible shots is one of the most prevalent tropes you have to deal with when watching any action-oriented series or film.

I think the rules of shooting are generally:

- People never need to reload unless reloading allows someone to attack them and knock them out with the butt of their gun.
- Hitting someone with the butt of your gun never results in permanent brain injury. They'll wake up with aching head after having been tied to a chair. This, of course, is where the bad guy reveals his entire plan, then leaves the hero alone long enough to make his escape.
- The bad guys can never shoot anyone other than the occasional flesh wound.
- The best shooting skills come right after an awesome line.
- It only takes one shot to take someone down, unless he's taken down by a hail of bullets. In that case, he'll twitch upright until the single shot to the head occurs.
- A sniper will never have the shot when someone asks "do you have the shot?".
- Shooting sideways increases the power of any gun. Leaping sideways while shooting sideways can make bullets explosive.
- Shooting out a tire will make a car flip. Shooting anywhere near the gas tank will make it explode.
- Bullets only go through the walls of a house or doors of a car if the characters on the other side are smart enough to hide behind something more substantial. Otherwise, they won't penetrate.
- When you see a character shoot himself in the direction of a window, the bullet will never go through the glass in order to allow the brain matter and blood to spray on it.
- When a character aims a gun at a bad guy to try to keep him from escaping, he won't **** it or chamber a round until he has to prove he's serious.
- If there is an overly large window in a room, someone will be blown through it in a gunfight.
- When you poke your head around a corner and someone shoots at you, you'll have time to duck back before the bullet gets to where your head was.
- When shooting at an escaping car, the bullets will spark and bounce of everything except the back window and one of the tail lights.
- Cars are bullet-proof when in motion and can be shot through when people are using it for cover. The exception is when a buddy cop team is hiding behind it while blaming each other for the mess they're in or when shooting at a moving car makes it go out of control and flip over a pile of pallets or another car.

I finally caught the premiere and I was looking forward to it after reading mostly favorable reviews here. My take is there is too much CW in the show. The story arc appears to be a checklist guaranteeing they hit every cliche of the genre. Not that it was done (all that) badly rather I felt like I had seen virtually every scene countless times.

I think that could probably be said about 99% of all programs on TV.

Seriously! The forum censors the word "c o c k". Come on, give us a break. The word has many meanings, one of which was used in the above statement.

Does anyone even use it as a curse word any more without adding "sucker" to it?

Even porn sites usually advertise more than one...

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Cocks isn't banned.

Have to be able to talk about USC football (the real USC).

Yeah, South Carolina Gamemalechickens doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Truth be told, even the Gamecock isn't very intimidating. Kinda like a Chihuahua - it's not much of a threat unless it's trapped with you in a sleeping bag.

That's what she said...

This thread is beginning to make me smile....

I watched the Premiere today and I like it. But I was shocked at the ending with the mother.

I take it you never saw any of the previews? The fact that the boat "accident" wasn't an accident and that the mother is out to get him is supposed to be a main story point that will be covered with flashbacks throughout the season (and probably the entire series).

I'm surprise by the positive comments in here. I feel like it's the Dark Knight , but with arrows. I guess I'll give it a chance.

That would have been a great pitch: "Its the Dark Knight . . . but with arrows!!"

Now that I think about it... while I still stand behind everything else I said about the island...

Given the subplot with the mysteriously behaving mother... it is entirely possible that she knew where he was all that time on the island (or someone knew) and perhaps it wasn't so uninhabited after all... just isolated from civilization proper.