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post #61 of 580
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Originally Posted by veggiemaster View Post

Honestly, i've not seen ANY motion blur except when playing a video game with the smoothing and anti-noise features turned on. the surefire way to eliminate it is to enable the Game Mode and using that, i've not seen ANY blur, even with fast paced Battlefield 3 games wink.gif
You'll love this TV if you can get past the retarded screen dimming in the Standard/Dynamic/Natural modes.
Thanks for the reply. So are you running the game mode all the time?
post #62 of 580
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Originally Posted by Deftones17 View Post

So I purchased a Panasonic Plasma (TC60UT50) about a week ago. Loved it but the glare is horrific in my family room because I have poor light control. So I swapped it (will be delivered on Saturday) for the 60ES6500. Reading this thread has made me feel better about the purchase. I'm not a big fan of LCD (been a plasma fan) but considering the issues I'll have in this room, LED is the route I have to take. Glad to read there doesn't appear to be much motion blur, something I have ability to see occasionally. This will be a primary TV so I wanted to make the best choice for the money and this appears to be it.

When you get the new 60ES6500 and check it out, please return and post your observations and comparions with the Panasonic plasma set.
Many would love to hear your results!
post #63 of 580
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Originally Posted by veggiemaster View Post

Honestly, i've not seen ANY motion blur except when playing a video game with the smoothing and anti-noise features turned on. the surefire way to eliminate it is to enable the Game Mode and using that, i've not seen ANY blur, even with fast paced Battlefield 3 games wink.gif
You'll love this TV if you can get past the retarded screen dimming in the Standard/Dynamic/Natural modes.

So I just got it delivered and hooked up. Initial impressions:

Good:
Picture quality seems good. Very vibrant and colorful. Seems to be more vibrant than the plasma, but I have nothing but my memory to compare it to.
Brightness is off the charts. I like that I can change that setting based on the room ambient lighting.
Much, much less glare than the plasma. Still getting some, but I think once I mount it and put a little tilt downwards it'll be perfect.
Light as hell. Much lighter than plasma.
Text seems easier to read on this than the plasma (such as reading scores/stats on MLB network shows)

Bad:
Smart hub doesn't seem to be designed well. I liked Panasonic's set up much better.
Blacks not nearly as good as the plasma (obviously to be expected)
Motion blur. I turned on Wimbeldon just to check out some sports (nothing else on right now) and I saw some serious blur with the ball. I'll have to keep tweaking the settings to see if I can eliminate it completely.
The stand (while I love the turning aspect), I don't like how it feels flimsy. Seems like the TV could fall over with little forward or backward force.
Having to turn on the game mode to avoid that dimming issue. That's just stupid.
Seem to get some dithering based on the content. I'm seeing it here in there.

Indifferent:
3D. I actually bought this for the 3D capability, even though I've never used it. I was thinking of the model below (6100) but I paid the extra $200 to "future" proof since I have little kids who may eventually want 3D. Tried out the DirecTV's 3D channels. Football seemed cool, but disorienting over periods. Since I've never used 3D before in anything, I think it will be a while to "train" my eyes and brain on the feature.


Now, I've yet to hook up a blu-ray, so it's hard for me to effectively give a full critique of it. Right now, I am liking some features and not liking any other ones. I'll keep checking working to tweak it and see if I can get some of the bad things to move into the good column. I think it's just going to take a while for me to get used to, since I'm so used to plasma.
Edited by Deftones17 - 7/7/12 at 4:05pm
post #64 of 580
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Having to turn on the game mode to avoid that dimming issue. That's just stupid.

The "CE Dimming" is frustrating. Even people who don't care about picture quality can quickly notice the screen dimming even when all dynamic contrast and ECO settings are off. It is really poorly handled and could be eliminated with a single toggle in the menus. Flipping through channels for OTA stations triggers the dimming literally *every time* you change channels. It triggers the dimming before it tunes in the station, so when you go to the next station, you get the station information dimly displaying in the top left of the screen.

Also you can change the input name to "PC" and it kills the dimming, however then the colors generally look really washed out. And after selecting PC for the input name, you lose almost all of the display options so you can't fix the colors.
Edited by ocellaris - 7/7/12 at 3:51pm
post #65 of 580
Isn't using movie mode supposed to turn off the CE dimming of a nearly black screen?
Also some have reported using a higher brightness setting disables it - try increasing brightness a few steps and experiment.
post #66 of 580
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Originally Posted by Joxer View Post

Isn't using movie mode supposed to turn off the CE dimming of a nearly black screen?
Also some have reported using a higher brightness setting disables it - try increasing brightness a few steps and experiment.

It still happens when you raise the brightness, it's is just much less noticeable. This might not be so bad, however the blacks wash out extremely quickly once you raise the brightness even one or two clicks.

Movie Mode disables the dimming, unfortunately you can't enable Game Mode with Movie Mode active. Also renaming the input to PC disables it, however then you lose 90% of the picture controls. So this is fine for a PC which has output controls, but not for a PS3 that I am using.

I tried a EH5300 before this ES6500. The EH5300 went back due to some horrible motion blurring. The dimming on the EH5300 still happened, however it was much less noticeable. I think the ES6500 dimming is more aggressive than the EH5300 was. Or possibly it just has more steps of potential dimming, so it triggers dimming in situations where the EH5300 would not dim because the screen change was not enough. Just sitting on the title screen of some games and movies, the dimming will continuously cycle if something on the screen is animated.

The dimming is very clearly a software controlled option, so it stinks that Samsung won't let people adjust it as they see fit. I am close to returning a ES6500, this is my only problem with the TV right now (and the viewing angle is not good, however that isn't a problem for me). This is going to be a shame, because I really like the TV otherwise.

I went through a couple plasma TVs already as well (2x Panasonic and LG). They all buzzed audibly from 10 feet away. I am running out of TVs to try. I am coming from a Sharp 32 inch LCD that wasn't the greatest TV in the world, however it had no annoying qualities.
Edited by ocellaris - 7/9/12 at 7:24am
post #67 of 580
I am looking at the Samsung UN40ES6500, because of a 36 inch wide cabinet that the 40" model will fit perfectly into!

Does anyone know how good and who's upscaler technology Samsung uses in this HDTV series as we have some 480i media that we'd like to play at 1080p and wondered how well it might look?

I guessing that nearly every 1080p HDTV manufacturer is using the latest and greatest upscaler silicon?

Thanks,

Scott
post #68 of 580
I'm having some issues regarding the aspect ratio (i.e vertical black bars).

I am playing content via HDMI cable but there are black vertical bars showing. Admittedly, the broadcast is SD, however, I am using the 16:9 setting on my TV but still get the black vertical bars. Even If I play around with the settings in screen adjustment, the aspect ratio changes but the vertical black bars remain where they are (even when choosing 16:9 or screen fit).

The screen "fills up" fine during BluRay/Smart Hub & HD content.

Everything was fine when I bought the TV (i.e. screen would "stretch" to remove the bars), the only tweak I did was doing some calibration (JaVae's settings above).

Can anyone help me out on how to get rid of the black vertical bars when displaying SD content?

P.S. the screen stretched fine in my old Samsung TV.

Thanks.
post #69 of 580
Anyone knows how good is the model ( PQ & 3D)? compare to last year D6400 (or series 6) ?
I'm going to get new 40-46" TV for my room.I've read some review out there, EH6000 is kind of disappoint me, not sure about this one.
post #70 of 580
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

Anyone knows how good is the model ( PQ & 3D)? compare to last year D6400 (or series 6) ?
I'm going to get new 40-46" TV for my room.I've read some review out there, EH6000 is kind of disappoint me, not sure about this one.

My parents have a 2011 D6x00 Smart TV. While it is probably just panel lottery, their TV has better off angle viewing and better screen uniformity compared to the ES6500 I had (and then returned). The ES6500 had some pretty bad pillaring as well. Both sets are 46 inches in size.

The EH5300 I had (back lit) had much better screen uniformity. That TVs main problem was motion blur.

If I could do it all over again, I would be purchasing a 46 or 50 inch EH6000 to get the better screen uniformity from the back-lit design, with a 120Hz panel. Plus Samsung Smart TV setup is pretty dreadful, so I wouldn't be spending extra money for that again. The 2011 TVs had better apps, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
post #71 of 580
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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

My parents have a 2011 D6x00 Smart TV. While it is probably just panel lottery, their TV has better off angle viewing and better screen uniformity compared to the ES6500 I had (and then returned). The ES6500 had some pretty bad pillaring as well. Both sets are 46 inches in size.
The EH5300 I had (back lit) had much better screen uniformity. That TVs main problem was motion blur.
If I could do it all over again, I would be purchasing a 46 or 50 inch EH6000 to get the better screen uniformity from the back-lit design, with a 120Hz panel. Plus Samsung Smart TV setup is pretty dreadful, so I wouldn't be spending extra money for that again. The 2011 TVs had better apps, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Actually I'm going to buy ES6600, ES6500 and ES6600 probally hardware indentical but ES6600 has Micro Dimming which helps couple of key area including viewing angle and screen uniformity (theorically or that's what Samsung said)
post #72 of 580
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

Actually I'm going to buy ES6600, ES6500 and ES6600 probally hardware indentical but ES6600 has Micro Dimming which helps couple of key area including viewing angle and screen uniformity (theorically or that's what Samsung said)

Micro dimming is a software feature for Samsung, it isn't actually dimming the LEDs. If they can address viewing angle problems in software, good for them. However I feel this is just some marketing smoke and mirrors if they indicate it can address viewing angle and clouding problems.
post #73 of 580
I just bought this tv, i love it, but that is coming from a old sony 480 tv, so heh it should be better. However, i recently had to deal with Samsung customer support, and it was so bad i have to write about it.
Sorry, i know people hate these threads, but i feel it needs to be out there. SO on p 39 and 40 of the manual it talks about the dangers of a tv tipping over, and how you must have the tv secured to avoid danger to kids etc, sort of their disclaimer. It tells you multiple times to install the "tv-holder". On pg. 40 at the end of the 2 pages about the tv holder it directs you to call samung to order the part, and gives the phone number. So, since i have 3 small children, i called to order the part. 10 min on hold, cs rep, tells me to go to website to order. Hang up, go to website, can't find product for my tv. Back to the phone, 10 minute hold time, transferred to parts, 15 minute hold time, repeated model number 4 times, finally they got the number right.....sorry sir, thats a new tv and we don't carry any parts for it! Ok, back to the 800 number, 10 minute hold, explain problem, am told that if the parts dept does not have the part, thats it, ask for supervisor, 15 minute hold, explain, same response. I explain that since they [samung] details the need for the part, and tells you where to get it, they better have it. Let her know the legal ramifications of telling a consumer that if they don't buy "X" part the company isn't responsible for injury.....then the company better have that part!! Transferred to real customer service rep. She places me on hold FIVE times, over a 40 minute call just with her, then she says......"SAmsung doesn't make that part anymore and you cannot get one". I got very frustrated, she was polite but said they no longer make a tv holder to prevent tv from tipping over. If i wasn't over the 30 day return policy from BB I would return this tv right now!!!!! You don't care about kids, or stand by your product then I don't do business with you. Last Samsung product i will ever buy, and let me be clear, i am one consumer that will tell anyone i know who is buying a product that Samsung doesn't stand behind their products, and doesn't give a ** about my kids and their tv falling on them [luckily i do, so i will find a non samsung device]. OK, sorry rant off, now you can all let me know where i am wrong smile.gif
post #74 of 580
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Originally Posted by ramw5p View Post

i am one consumer that will tell anyone i know who is buying a product that Samsung doesn't stand behind their products, and doesn't give a ** about my kids and their tv falling on them [luckily i do, so i will find a non samsung device]. OK, sorry rant off, now you can all let me know where i am wrong smile.gif

You can make straps to hold the TV very easily. Get some M8 screws/bolts for the TV mount holes, some eyelets from the craft store, then put a strap between those holes and the TV stand. If the TV falls over forward, the straps will hold it.

Or go here:

http://www.amazon.com/Safety-1st-Prograde-Flat-Screen/dp/B001JJR3B0

http://www.amazon.com/Kidco-Anti-Tip-TV-Strap-Pack/dp/B002SZT35S

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-ELM701B1-Mounting-Display/dp/B003WU4MS6
Edited by ocellaris - 7/19/12 at 10:28am
post #75 of 580
Thanks Ocellaris, thats what i am doing. Im just frustrated that a company would invest 2 pages, in essence to protect their legal ***, then just bail on the product. In my view it will bite them. What will be there defense when they get sued...."well as clearly stated in the manual, we told people to use the safety straps"...followed by the fact that they were directed to call a place to obtain them, that didn't have them!! You know if I use my own system, and it fails, Samsung will be the first ones to say i didn't use an approved method of securement!!
post #76 of 580
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Originally Posted by ramw5p View Post

Thanks Ocellaris, thats what i am doing. Im just frustrated that a company would invest 2 pages, in essence to protect their legal ***, then just bail on the product. In my view it will bite them. What will be there defense when they get sued...."well as clearly stated in the manual, we told people to use the safety straps"...followed by the fact that they were directed to call a place to obtain them, that didn't have them!! You know if I use my own system, and it fails, Samsung will be the first ones to say i didn't use an approved method of securement!!

These TVs are really lightweight, if you use two mounting holes with the strap, you are pretty darn close to a 0% chance of failure anyway smile.gif

Though I agree Samsung shouldn't waste two pages of documentation about the TV support to cover their ass, and then not offer the TV support at the number listed in the manual. That just seems ridiculous considering they were probably charging $$$ for the Samsung branded support anyway.
post #77 of 580
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Originally Posted by metalspfc View Post

Hey guys, please i have a question about using headphones / the audio out jack on the ES6500 (they probably are the same, right ?)
What i need is to be able to get audio from the TV speakers and from the headphones at the same time, due to my father being a little deaf he liked using headphones to listen to the TV (we tested here in this old TV we have), and besides the rest of us would be able to watch it in a normal volume in the TV speakers biggrin.gif

Yes the analog audio out will work at the same time as the TV speakers, but the volume control will not adjust the external speakers. We used computer speakers plugged into our old TV's headphone jack, so I tried it last night with our new ES6600 but because of the lack of volume control, it won't work and I am forced to find another solution.
post #78 of 580
I'm currently in the market for a 40" LED and I'm having trouble deciding between the ES6500 and the older D6300 from 2011.

I haven't seen it in the store, but this "CE Dimming" issue makes me nervous. Any reason, besides built-in wifi, the ES6500 is better? Or are the older panels in the D6300 better in any way?
post #79 of 580
I've been debating between the 6500 and the 7100 for a little while now. I've only seen one person state they would purchase the 7100 over the 6500 after seeing both, but I wanted to see what other people think.

I've seen both in the store, but both were playing the crappy in-store demo stuff. Not real world material. Is the clear screen / dimming features / and dual core worth the $400 difference in the 55"? I am streaming online content through a blu-ray player so most likely wouldn't use the tv streaming.

I am interested in the 3D aspect of the TV though. I really enjoyed the 3D on the 7100 when I saw it in-store. Will the 6500 be more similar than different (not sure how much the clear panel / 240 vs 120 hz / and dual core play in that)

I am replacing a 46B550. I love the idea of the 55, but after reading some reviews about larger screen size showing more imperfections, would I be better suited with a 50? The max I could go is a 55. Maybe I read the forums too much! tongue.gif haha

Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it.
post #80 of 580
Hey, just stumbled onto this owner's thread. Let me ask here as well. ok, just got back at a friend's place. Saw their new 50 inch LED UN50ES6500 Samsung Smart TV. Why is the picture overly smooth and liquid like it's an HD camcorder effect? Is there any motionflow stuff that you can disable on this model? Looks totally un-natural. Almost like taking a non 3D movie and making it 3D after the fact! Any ideas?
post #81 of 580
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

Hey, just stumbled onto this owner's thread. Let me ask here as well. ok, just got back at a friend's place. Saw their new 50 inch LED UN50ES6500 Samsung Smart TV. Why is the picture overly smooth and liquid like it's an HD camcorder effect? Is there any motionflow stuff that you can disable on this model? Looks totally un-natural. Almost like taking a non 3D movie and making it 3D after the fact! Any ideas?
Thats the "soap opera effect"
You can adjust the motion processing effects to vary it, read about that under the advanced picture settings in the TV's e-help pages. Look for motion & judder processing.
post #82 of 580
hey guys, just bought the un46es6500 ... can someone give me a rundown of the best custom settings to use for the best picture... sound im not so worried about, my receiver ha that handled. thanks
post #83 of 580
UN40ES6500 will arrive tomorrow. Please post calibration for best picture, lag input, dimming, and motion blur. Oh, tell me how to remove bleeding as well.

I will post my option in here tomorrow or Sunday.

Thanks!
post #84 of 580
Sorry about double post but I ask a question about update software for CE dimming.

Rep's answer:

Raven: Please adjust the energy saver option of the TV to isolate the issue.

Raven: You can adjust it by the following method:

Raven: Menu --> System --> Eco solution --> Energy saving


She didn't answer my question...
post #85 of 580
Is the picture quality better with the 6500 vs the 6000? I don't need 3d or apps. Does the 3d processor improve the picture quality? I am leaning toward the 6500 since it is only a $100 more but it sounds like the edge lit led isn't that great.
post #86 of 580
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Originally Posted by cheppi View Post

Is the picture quality better with the 6500 vs the 6000? I don't need 3d or apps. Does the 3d processor improve the picture quality? I am leaning toward the 6500 since it is only a $100 more but it sounds like the edge lit led isn't that great.

The 6000 has much better uniformity and off axis viewing in my experience. Also I found the CE Dimming was less annoying the on backlit LEDs compared to the edge lit LEDs.
Edited by ocellaris - 8/8/12 at 1:34pm
post #87 of 580
I bought my UN46ES6500 a week ago and I think it performs great for middle the the pack led tv. Good bang the the buck as far as I'm concerned. For those of you who have not found any reviews for the set and calibration settings I found 2 reviews.


http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-UN46ES6500F-3D-LED-LCD-HDTV-Review.htm -great review and has their Calibration settings listed.

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un46es6500.html -Very good review and they have the set calibrated to the D6500K with settings listed.
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-es6500-picturesettings.html -D6500K settings link
post #88 of 580
I picked up a 60ES6500 a couple days ago. Beautiful picture, good off angle viewing in my opinion too. Only issue I'm finding is some flashlighting, especially when switching between sources when you have a temporary black screen. It is actually really annoying me. I don't really notice it though when viewing any actual program. I turned all the dimming features off so maybe if I turn them back on that will help the flashlighting? I'm gonna play around with it some more over the next few days and report back. But yeah other than that flashlighting I am loving this set.
post #89 of 580
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Originally Posted by Gamey View Post

UN40ES6500 will arrive tomorrow. Please post calibration for best picture, lag input, dimming, and motion blur. Oh, tell me how to remove bleeding as well.
I will post my option in here tomorrow or Sunday.
Thanks!

How are you liking your new UN40ES6500?
post #90 of 580
Ran home at lunch and played around a bit more with my 60ES6500 set too see if I could improve the flashlighting & clouding. Here are my observations:
  • When an hd source is on the tv the picture quality is beautiful and screen uniformity is 100%.
  • Flashlighting & clouding is only noticable on a black screen (more like a dark blue screen), when there is a source but no picture. You can really see it on the digital music channels cause there is just a small box at the bottom of the screen and mostly black/dark blue screen. Also on a hd channel that is broadcasting non-hd programming with vertical black bars, then you can really see the 4 flashlights.
  • Issue is most noticable when the room is dark. With a brighter room, more lights on, it is harder to see the flashlights.
  • If I turn the backlight setting lower the issue is less notable. Right now I am using movie mode with 16 backlight.

Really I love this tv when a full image is taking the entire screen. It is kind of annoying though that when watching a program with horizontal black bars there are 4 flashlights, one in each corner. I played around with some of the dimming settings and I don't think there is really any way to fix this. Maybe once my tv is broken in more this issue will get bettter?

Is this worth calling Samsung about? $2K for something that isn't 100% kind of sucks but then again 95% of the time I will be watching an hd source and you can't notice it at all.....
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