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post #31 of 68
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

She's on FRINGE now, as you may know...though time can wreak havoc on cuteness (or so my mirror tells me).
Yea, time hasn't been kind to Blair. She was also charming in Continental Divide.
post #32 of 68
Blu-ray.com review:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Altered-States-Blu-ray/40870/#Review
post #33 of 68
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Originally Posted by BigDad View Post

Blu-ray.com review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Altered-States-Blu-ray/40870/#Review

Black levels and shadow detail are strong enough so that a tricky nighttime sequence involving a pursuit in the basement of a Harvard Medical School building and through the streets of Boston combines precisely the right amount of the visible and the concealed. Contrast levels are correctly set so that harshly lit and overexposed inserts like the quick shots of Eddie and Emily Jessup dressed as Victorians in Eddie's Mexican hallucination don't have their detail blown out. In motion, though not so readily in screencaps, the film's grain structure does not appear to have been artificially reduced or otherwise manipulated, although the image is frequently softened by the numerous opticals and other requirements of effects in the pre-CG era. I didn't spot any compression errors (but, let's face it, the rapid-fire editing in some sequences could hide a multitude of sins).

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I'd always wondered why Chayevsky took his name off the credits. Per some Internet reading: Apparently he wrote the screenplay/script and had a clause requiring it be spoken exactly as written, or he could sue. Russell indeed (per the contract) kept every word of the script intact, but had the actors speak the dialogue rapid-fire, sometimes overlapping each other, instead of the slow and measured didactic pace that Chayevsky wanted. This infuriated Chayevsky, so he dropped his name from the project. IMO, the fast-paced dialogue is half the fun of the movie, so I think Russell turned what would have been a soporific film into a minor classic. Chayevsky's loss, our gain!

Day 1 purchase for me! (Although people who want to see "more" of young Blair Brown might want to hold on to their flipper DVD copy and view the open-matte version.)

And note this cool comment from the review:

Like Outland, Altered States was released in both Dolby Stereo and six-track sound on a 70mm blow-up; both formats were mixed for Warner's short-lived "Megasound" format, which enhanced the low frequencies for major effects. The Blu-ray's DTS-HD MA 5.1 track is probably taken from the six-track mix, very likely the Megasound version, because the bass extension is impressively deep and the surround field is used aggressively to extend and amplify the impact of Eddie Jessup's hallucinations and their physical manifestations. Of particular note is the unusual score by classical composer John Corigliano, who would later win an Oscar for scoring The Red Violin. Corigliano's score is constructed in such a manner that it sometimes blends indistinguishably with otherworldly sound effects being produced by Jessup's visions. The result can be unsettling, to such a degree that when, at a critical moment in the film, all sound abruptly halts and the track goes silent, you're both relieved and frightened.

The dialogue is always clear, except when two characters are shouting over each other. Screenwriter Chayevsky apparently objected to the loud and fast speaking style that Russell directed the cast to adopt, which is an interesting perspective from the author of Network.

Edited by eweiss - 7/6/12 at 9:16am
post #34 of 68
From the Blu-Ray.com review:

Ultimately, though, Altered States ends before satisfactorily completing its story. Having taken Jessup to the point where he appears to have reached the end of his quest, where even Mason can no longer deny that something extraordinary has happened—"What we saw tonight was a physical phenomenon, an inexplicable physical phenomenon!" shouts Arthur—the film needs a whole second part, or at least a third act, showing how the characters deal with the new reality, or at least conclude that some borders weren't meant to be crossed (as they say on Fringe) and then make a joint decision to abandon this research and never speak of it again.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! The movie ended exactly where and how it should have ended. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Because you don't know what Jessup's future is going to be, and no one knows. Yes, he may put this all behind him for awhile. But a brilliant mind can't live for long knowing or believing that life is essentially meaningless except for the transient meaning we give it by loving each other. Jessup's future is madness or depression or.... religious conversion, descent back into the lab... Who knows?

As for his colleagues... It's anyone's guess what they would now think or do.

Even if at the end they did "conclude that some borders weren't meant to be crossed (as they say on Fringe) and then make a joint decision to abandon this research and never speak of it again," you know that could never be certain, so you'd be back with the way the movie ended anyway.

Yep, the movie ended exactly where and how it should have, though perhaps more optimistically and weirdly than it should have, giving the impression that all will now be well. But how can Jessup continue in his profession knowing what he now knows? How can he continue playing the game of Life knowing or believing that one's continued investment in living depends on staying grounded or "high" on "love" in order to continue fooling oneself into thinking that Life has an ultimate or eternal meaning?

I can see the sequels, though:

Bride of Altered States
Son of Altered States
Ghost of Altered States

Maybe it's better that another part or sequel was never made so we don't see or know how Jessup and his colleagues and family handled this. On the other hand, a sequel with all the original cast might be interesting, though I don't think Jessup or Arthur could have kept this on the back burner untouched for 32 years.
Edited by eweiss - 7/6/12 at 10:53am
post #35 of 68
The blu-ray site's reviewer probably would of been been happy with the sequel Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Altered States: This Time We Find God.

Hey it worked for the Star Trek flick didnt it?
post #36 of 68
I stay with my r1 dvd, not that bad lookin in upscaled.
post #37 of 68
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

I stay with my r1 dvd, not that bad lookin in upscaled.
"Not that bad lookin" compared too what?!?!
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post #39 of 68
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

"Today's the day!!" confused.gif
Altered States doesn't hit the stores until NEXT Tuesday, July 10.
Tomorrow's the day!
(did I get it right this time?!?! redface.gif )
Just ordered it from BB/9.99US free shipping.
I don't do well at B&M's; guess my tastes are a little EDweird!
Not the avg. Target, BB, WM movie buyer (THANK GOODNESS!!!).
Checked Blu-ray.com for last wks Top Sellers & own and only wantED one ("SH: AGoS" which I may trade away soon anyway).

Hope too hear some GREAT things about this title from you lucky ones that get this B4 me!
post #40 of 68
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

Tomorrow's the day!
(did I get it right this time?!?! redface.gif )
Just ordered it from BB/9.99US free shipping.
I don't do well at B&M's; guess my tastes are a little EDweird!
Not the avg. Target, BB, WM movie buyer (THANK GOODNESS!!!).
Checked Blu-ray.com for last wks Top Sellers & own and only wantED one ("SH: AGoS" which I may trade away soon anyway).
Hope too hear some GREAT things about this title from you lucky ones that get this B4 me!

That's great, because a week ago the BB price was going to be $14.99. It should be in the stores tomorrow, and the store price = the online price.
post #41 of 68
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

"Not that bad lookin" compared too what?!?!

Meaning that i won't double dip this to blu-ray, this movie don't have that much eyecandy/re-play value to me(and i dont even remember was this movie any good...cool bass though in ending when that mutant bangs that wall whit his fist). biggrin.gif
post #42 of 68
Another review:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/3782/alteredstates.html

which gives high marks to the video (considering its age) and audio, so the DVDBeaver screencaps may be unfair to the PQ of the BD.
post #43 of 68
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Meaning that i won't double dip this to blu-ray, this movie don't have that much eyecandy/re-play value to me(and i dont even remember was this movie any good...cool bass though in ending when that mutant bangs that wall whit his fist). biggrin.gif
A "Ken Russell" film that: "don't have that much eyecandy"... RIGHT!!!
JJ
Yeah, re-play value is subjective; got my ten bucks worth out of the DVD, watchED it like twenty times.
post #44 of 68
Got my $9.99 copy now. For some of us, it's almost autobiographical. biggrin.gif

For me, the interaction between Balaban and Haid is worth every penny!
post #45 of 68
Got mine too!

funny enough, I also found "Mean streets" right next to it!
(if your at the BB in Downey, theres more copies!)
I said nothing, and paid for it, not telling a soul....
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post #46 of 68
I thought it was too red and too soft, but that appears to be a (mal)function of my 8-year-old LCD RPTV, because when I played it on my 24" flatscreen LCD computer monitor @ the 6500K setting, it looked pretty good; not too red, and I could see fine grain. This is a NICE Blu-Ray, especially for fans like me. Enjoy!
Edited by eweiss - 7/11/12 at 5:26am
post #47 of 68
Read this in the People archive awhile ago:
"Once in Hollywood, Russell discovered he was going to have to take some risks of his own. He threw out special effects devised by no less than John (Star Wars) Dykstra and laid the lumber to Paddy Chayefsky's script. "Much of it was pretentious," he says. "Really embarrassing." Although Chayefsky agreed that his dialogue would have to be trimmed, the friction between them could not be contained. Matters came to a head, according to Russell, when he discovered Chayefsky treading on the director's prerogatives. "He was grilling the actors behind my back when they were supposed to be taking their cues from me," says Russell. "I went home and got sloshed on red wine, then rang up Paddy and called him everything under the sun. It must have made his beard turn blue," Russell continues. "We patched things up a couple of days later when he agreed to confine his comments to the dialogue. But when he kept interfering, I had to tell Howard that I couldn't carry on like this, and that Paddy couldn't remain on the set." Fuming, Chayefsky exiled himself to New York and ordered his name removed from the credits as screenwriter. He and Russell have not spoken since. "
Despite that, I loved the dialogue exchanges in this film and being a huge Dick Smith fan, it was interesting to see how his effects were used by Ferran. Still, quite the fun film and need to buy it.
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Read this in the People archive awhile ago:
"Once in Hollywood, Russell discovered he was going to have to take some risks of his own. He threw out special effects devised by no less than John (Star Wars) Dykstra and laid the lumber to Paddy Chayefsky's script. "Much of it was pretentious," he says. "Really embarrassing." Although Chayefsky agreed that his dialogue would have to be trimmed, the friction between them could not be contained. Matters came to a head, according to Russell, when he discovered Chayefsky treading on the director's prerogatives. "He was grilling the actors behind my back when they were supposed to be taking their cues from me," says Russell. "I went home and got sloshed on red wine, then rang up Paddy and called him everything under the sun. It must have made his beard turn blue," Russell continues. "We patched things up a couple of days later when he agreed to confine his comments to the dialogue. But when he kept interfering, I had to tell Howard that I couldn't carry on like this, and that Paddy couldn't remain on the set." Fuming, Chayefsky exiled himself to New York and ordered his name removed from the credits as screenwriter. He and Russell have not spoken since. "
Despite that, I loved the dialogue exchanges in this film and being a huge Dick Smith fan, it was interesting to see how his effects were used by Ferran. Still, quite the fun film and need to buy it.
BIG thanks for sharing!
I always thought the "pretentious" dialog added too the 'behind-the-scenes' of academia. tongue.gif
post #49 of 68
OK,
what I'm I lOOking at?
It doesn't look like film.
Except the constant white specks & occasional black specks.
The red faces are evident; yet in the same scene skintones go back too 'normal'.
Or, even if one character's skin is too red an other in the scene is pale.
And in some scenes: on the porch & in jail, complexions look right.
The sound is said too be taken from a 70mm print; could the video transfer be as well?!?!
Grain, when visible, is super fine & although details can be considered "soft" in some shots, details in other shots 'pop'.
Oh what sound, defined & dimensionality. Clear, w/placement, as well as depth. Really, WoW, this is 1980?!?!
The image has some depth as well; so its really weird scrubbed clean/video lOOk goes against its natural richness.
One of the GREAT shots is a pan in on the 2nd tank, which is black.
You think going from one room's lighting too another room's lighting as well as pulling in closer things would kind of go wonky.
The detail on the surface of the tank just keeps increasing & increasing.

I mean, where did they get this? Is this a safety copy that was locked in a vault??
I all so don't know how faithful this transfer is too that source.
(get some "waxy" here & there/need too dial in the display more B4 pointing fingers)
This is one of those 'looks like a new movie' transfers.
Is that good or badd?!?!
Mesmerizing (IMO).

Not only is the cover badd... where is that shot in the film???
The lettering is WTF as well... why change the original font???
post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Yea, time hasn't been kind to Blair. She was also charming in Continental Divide.
HD is not kind too Blair in this film either, IMO.
Still, her acting shines though & her body...
post #51 of 68
Did your Blu-Ray also come with a free one of these to enhance the viewing of the film (although it does tend to intensify the redness of the flesh tones):

DSC05690%20(1).preview.jpg

I'd recommend taking no more than 1 or 2 pills (i.e., 25 or 50 mcg) unless you want to experience the movie in 3D.
Edited by eweiss - 7/14/12 at 2:34pm
post #52 of 68
^^^ SHOOT! I'll I had was popcorn. tongue.gif
post #53 of 68
$4.99 at Best Buy with trade in program. Steal of a deal. 7/15-7/21
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by AVSSVA View Post

$4.99 at Best Buy with trade in program. Steal of a deal. 7/15-7/21

Wow. I figured the $9.99 price would go back to $14.99 today, but it didn't. Lucky you!
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

Wow. I figured the $9.99 price would go back to $14.99 today, but it didn't. Lucky you!

With my receipt from last week I was able to rebuy it at $9.99 with the $5 used DVD upgrade credit so I got it for $5.39. smile.gif
post #56 of 68
Thread Starter 
I have a review and thumbnails here.

-Bill
post #57 of 68
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I have a review and thumbnails here.-Bill

Thanks for your review. Very interesting. In many ways I am SO GLAD that CGI wasn't around when Ken Russell did this. I find the dialogue, esp. from Mason's character, to be hilarious and wonderful. smile.gif I feel sorry for viewers who aren't familiar enough with the NT Book of Revelation (The Apocalypse) to understand all of Russell's references.

FWIW, Emily's (Blair Brown's) sitting in (or going into) "shock" scene toward the end after her dialogue with Mason about how Eddie just regarded everyone as transient matter and never loved her looked a little forced and posed to me, or maybe the view of her just sitting there and staring went on for a couple seconds too long for me; however, I've never seen someone go into shock, so maybe it's okay. When I watch it, though, that scene tends to make me think "she's acting" and pulls me a bit out of the movie.
Edited by eweiss - 7/19/12 at 11:04am
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I have a review and thumbnails here.
-Bill
"The Blu-ray is a huge upgrade from the early dismal DVD and I am happy to have it. The colors are fine and the detail often very good. That said, it does have a more-or-less processed look and appears grainless. Fabric detail on the dark jackets is sometimes crushed."

Bill,

Since you don't mention detail being crushed on non-dark fabric, couldn't it be the black crush (which some directors/DP's luv) is inherently in the source?
The lack of grain I disagree w/. Grain is constantly visable & gets heavier in darker scenes. What's "more-or-less processed" about the transfer?!?!
Cause the flick has good detail (except in the aforementioned "dark jackets").
post #59 of 68
Thread Starter 
I should put a disclaimer on all of my reviews: "Ignore everything I say about image quality."

I calls them like I sees them. You don't have to agree.

-Bill
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I should put a disclaimer on all of my reviews: "Ignore everything I say about image quality."
I calls them like I sees them. You don't have to agree.
-Bill
So your not going too answer my questions??
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