XBMC v11 Eden is released - Page 2

Anyway an external player is still necessary to play back all formats properly, even with NVIDIA.

Give me a sample clip that should be unwatchable on xbmc. I would be happy to test it out.

This post includes some of them. Deinterlacing in "Auto" or "DXVA Bob" gives a poor result in some scenes. "DXVA Best" freezes the playback with Intel. (Of course if you want to know precisely what level of deinterlacing is actually done, you can run benchmarks.)

Interesting.

So I tried renethx's sample of Ratatouille (480i60) and it was stuttery and glitchy on audio and video. This was with the brand new HD Audio patched build.

Then I tried the last HD Audio patched version of XBMC and it played absolutely flawless. Very fluid and audio was perfect.

La Traviata (1080i60) is next.

Yea, I posted in Greeneyes thread but I should have also posted in this one that there is an issue with the new Eden+HD Audio build that Daniella posted.
Some are having stuttering problems and some are having True-HD problems.

Daniella said it could be due to the Advanced settings she added to the build she did.
The RC2 build from a few days ago is rock solid.

XBMC can't play anything that's 1080I 25fps like BBC life or BBC earth.

Yeah, its struggling with La Traviata.

How many 1080i movies are there anyway? I don't think I have a single one.

I do have 480i material.

Yeah. I have that one saved to my server. I was worried that something like this might happen.

not a lot for movies but a lot for Documentaries. The point is that it can't play it

Roughly 10% of all BDs are 1080i50 or 1080i60 (mainly music concerts and documentaries). Many HD broadcast programs too. BD movies are always 1080p24, I know your concern is only movies. Movies in HD broadcast is 1080i60/50, that's a slightly different subject.

I have Life. Played just fine. Maybe because its 720p.

I have over 600 movies, documentaries and shows. I don't have anything in 1080i.

And I have 480i and it played great. So for me its a great option.

Gotcha. Is there a list anywhere?

I am not sure about BBC Life release in Europe, but in US release, only Disc 4 Plants is interalced (and XBMC can't play it with any of AMD, NVIDIA and Intel).

Blu-ray Audio and Video Specifications Thread. Download "blu-specs" there, which is a tab-separated list in .txt so that you can open it with a spreadsheet program and use filters.

10% of all media? Really? Seems a little high to me. You would think that we would be hearing all the time about the movies/media that XBMC wasn't able to play.

Like I said I have never run into this likely because I don't have 1080i material it seems. But your would think that I would have the occasional interlaced movie if it was that high of a percentage.

I'd be interested in seeing a list to see what types of things are being shot in 1080i.

Isn't it also true that only a CRT monitor can properly playback interlaced material as almost all modern day displays are progressive?

Edit: Just saw your post above. Will definitely take a look. This is interesting.

No, there is no interlaced movie. Movie is shot by a movie camera by definition, that is always progressive and almost always 24 fps. BD movie is always 24 fps. When encoded in DVD, it is interlaced, but it will be eventually 24 fps by IVTC.

I looked through the first half of the movies/documentaries/shows/concerts that were listed. Definitely much much less than 10% of the total, imo. And many of the movies that were in 1080i also had a 1080p version as well that was released.

When I get a chance I will look through it a little closer.

Movie was a poor choice there. By "movie" I meant "media".

Movie: media shot by a movie camera
Video: media shot by a video camera.

Some videos may be converted to 24 fps, some movies may be converted to 60i by pulldown just like broadcast (I don't know why), so the distinction is not so clear.

You are right.

- 1080p23/24: ~95%
- 1080i60/50: ~5%

HD broadcast is the main source of 1080i, of course, which XBMC does not support from the beginning (playing recordings is still possible).

Strange, I have concerts in 1080i like Armin Van Buuren - Mirage Only which is 1080i50 and plays back fine ine XBMC : http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Armin-...Blu-ray/20790/ , and some other interlanced content around (concerts mainly, and some HDTV rips). Never tried 1080i60.

I`ll try your samples.

FWI for everyone : There is a bug with TrueHD in the new Eden + HD audio patch as other noted, you need to set XBMC to decode TrueHD to PCM because bistreaming is broken for TrueHD. Works fine for DTS-HD MA, DTS and DD (bitstreaming i mean). Just noticed it last night.

Edit : Tried the La Traviata sample and it plays back ok, but only if you have a powerful enough software decoder, because apparently deinterlacing via DXVA is not supported. So you need a Core 2 Duo @ 2.6Ghz or up to play it back.

NVIDIA is the only card that can play back La traviata with DXVA2 Best deinterlacing (but the playback is not so smooth as with MPC-HC+LAV+madVR). Of course, none of AMD, NVIDIA, Intel can play back Nature's Journey or BBC Life.

It looks like nev is exceptionally competent.

Interesting.

I usually test on my weakest hardware first as I figure if it can handle it then the better hardware can as well. For La Traviata I tested in a CULV Core2Duo (which also explains the ~30% CPU usage). I will have to retest on my G620 and i3 2100 as well.

Everything plays excellently well on my systems.

I don't have any 1080i BD, so I can't really comment on that..

Regarding dolby THD, I have played spiderman 1, 2 and 3 (THD 5.1) and Transformers 3 (THD 7.1) all successfully without a glitch...

Using the new Eden + HD audio patch...

It plays all the files I've tested as well, and I'm really happy that according to people, PQ is same as MadVr+LAV+MPC-HC, so its basically a single install solution for HTPC's now.

Does this apply to all decoding paths? I want to use DXVA with an Nvidia 9300 chipset which has onboard gpu.

Interlaced doesn't work in Xbmc if it is VC-1. This is not a Xbmc problem, it is a ffmpeg issue. Some BBC stuff is in 1080i/VC-1 format and thus won't play.

what does have to do with 1080I 25FPS ? You build and sell HTPC

I said maybe because mine is 720p. Funny how you left that part out of your statement.

BBC Life 1280x720 progressive 25fps H.264 ... somebody re-encoded the original 1920x1080 interlaced 25fps VC-1...

Again, I understand this which is why I pointed it out.