Upgrade from the 3D Bloggie: the Panasonic 3D1 - Page 4

Don,
When do we get to see Valley of Fire and Bryce Canyon on 3D video for sale? I'd like to purchase it. I enjoyed the Bellagio fountain video.

Mark,
Great 3D slide show of the museum.

Thanks you 2. I enjoyed the Bellagio fountain video and museum slide show.

BTW,
Does anyone know if there's a 1400mAH battery for the 3D1? I ordered one on Amazon (it was advertised as 1400mAH), but when I received it, it was 895mAH, same as the stock 3D1. If there's none, then I'd keep this battery. Otherwise, I will return it.

I have no plans to commercialize the video but thanks for the compliment. I will be putting up a YT clip as usual if I can work things out. Even for YT the rights and permissions can get expensive. I'm currently in negotiation with some artists now for background music and its not going well. I may be compromising my goals here and resort to buyout royalty free music.

Timing- Valley of Fire is in edit right now and I hope to finish in a couple weeks.
Meanwhile, look for Bellagio Spring Gardens being uploaded soon. If you like popout, this is the one for you.

Mark- So far, I am not pleased with the differences in picture quality between the TD10 ( 3D mode) and the 3D1 ( 3D mode) The color looks quite dirty compared to the TD10. I will be reviewing your clips later today to see how you are doing with the mix.

I just bought the 3D1.I really love it, to be able to take 3D stills is great. I love the combination with my TD10.

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with you Don. The Sony's color range is much higher than the 3D1, but we're comparing a p&s to a dedicated camcorder.

Just got my 3d1 a couple of hours ago.My impressions:
The 3d is good! I was afraid it would lack depth but the best word to describe it is "natural".
Color- can't speak as I have had limited time. To me, it looks a bit off, but I kind of feel that way about 3d in general as I use active glasses with my Samsung DLP. The color is there, just doesn't look as good as regular 2d high def.
I was outside taping my two Bichons on the lawn. Perhaps this is a torture test for contrast, detail was blown out a bit. WHere I can see clear fur, the camera picked it up as just white.
I am pretty excited with this thing. While it may not be as good as a HD20, I love the size, it can help get more "natural shots" of people. The handiness of it can't be ignored.
I took out the chip, inserted into my panny 220 dvd player, set my mitsu 3d box to sbs mode and watched my junk practice clips- can't be any easier.
The 3d too close warning light seems more like a nanny feature as the literature says it is there to prevent taping that might cause queesiness. My daughter and I watched footage where I was in violation and it looked fine, even got a bit of a popout effect when one of my dogs charged at me as I taped!
This camera is more fun that a puppy with peanut butter on its nose!

Thanks for posting the comparison Mark. The sound gain is way up on the 3D1. It's really pumping compared to the TD10 and Z10K. Resolution seems best with the TD10 and Z10K- letters are more easily recognized on the greeting cards.

If the true color accuracy is best shown by the Z10K, I think the 3D1 is second in color accuracy. To me, the Sony has the least noise in low-light. We know Sony's track record with low-light noise so this makes sense to me.

Mark- I think I have no issues with the 3D1 in color balance. It matches the TD10 with a slight tweak in the white color temp from a warm 5300K (3D1) to about 6500K on the TD10. It's closer to the JVC in this respect. My main problem is the amount of chroma noise in the saturated colors which is something I don't know how to correct in post. ( Open to suggestions) The exposure and gamma are perfect, IMO so no complaints in that department.
In addition to the chroma noise level, I can also see edge sloppiness at color boundaries that is not present in the TD10. This I would blame on the quality of the lenses. The 3D1 just does not have the same quality of glass that my other cameras have including the 3D Bloggie! But all in all, the 3D1 is a great camera that I have no problem carrying with me everywhere. The balance of the features and near great quality is making me a very happy 3D shooter on the fly. I think for You Tube output, the 3D1 could match the TD10 in every respect except for that darn chroma noise.

Mark, great test you did of the 3 cameras.

My observation is correct the 3D1 and Z10k are warmer in color temperature. The TD10 is less saturated than the other two. The edge sharpness of the TD10 was superior to either of the Panasonic's. * And the edge sharpness of the 3D1 was the worst with an obvious ragged borders which is the same I see on mine. Chroma noise was less obvious on your 3D1 than I get with mine. ( I wonder why)

* I was using the word Season on the second card from the right to evaluate as the chroma was at minimum in this area. The TD10 was quite sharp, while the 3D1 I couldn't even read the word. I could read the word SEASON on the Z10k but it was surprisingly fuzzy. I have to ask, are you sure the Z10k was in focus? I viewed the 2D and my observation remains the same. I'm really bothered by the Z10K sharpness in your demonstration.

That's better! The Z10k now looks as sharp as the TD10. I'm sure with full brightness, f16, the Z10k will be considerably sharper. But your TD10 lacks the same saturation as mine do. FYI- when I load my TD10 clips into Vegas Pro timeline, I apply a color correction matrix to the entire timeline to fix that. I do not warm the color temperature, just fix the levels of the color curves. I started doing that last month for most projects.

Someday you should repeat the test but at full brightness in good sunlight with optimum exposure.

Once again I am completely frustrated as when I have bought the TD10. I cannot simply display the 3d mpo files on my 3D TV. AAaaarrrgh!!!!
Have anyone confirmed that the mpo files play in 3D via Playmemories on a playstation?

Does any 3D Bluray player play 3DO MPO files from network?

First of all, let me add some words to the my sentence: "Once again I am completely frustrated AFTER BUYING THE 3D1 as when I have bought the TD10 SEVERAL MONTHS AGO". Does this clarify? ;-)

Second, I have a TD10 and know it doesn't take 3D stills.

Third, I asked very direct questions if it plays from Playmemories on a playstation and or from a Blu Ray player. I am not asking for educated guesses.

Does anyone make accessories for the 3d1? I see that you can get stereo base extenders and polarizers for the Fuji :http://www.cyclopital3d.com/FUJI-W3-3D-CAMERA.html
Would love to have a polarizer or a stereo base extender for the 3d1.

When I use the flash I notice that it shows 'circles' in the picture. :-( Usually only in one of the two images.

Nice looking stills Mark. I saved the sbs jpg's as mpo's and they look very good on my monitor.

This is a major downside to flash photography especially in a point-and-shoot like the 3D1, where the flash is so close to the lens. I had an old Sony 2D p&s that did the same thing. The distance from the lens to the flash is about equal to the 3D1's flash to lenses. It was explained to me that the cause for circular artifacts is due to the light from the flash reflecting off dust particles in the air. These artifacts are not as noticeable if an external flash is used, but it's impossible for the 3D1. This is when I wish I had a diffuser like an umbrella flash.

Flash photography is even more of a challenge in 3D, where two lens are involved. I can sympathize with your frustration, but my work-around for a p&s is to take a few photos and pray for a good one. I hope someone else has a better solution.

What about when the sun is behind the subject in the picture? Without flash, their face is dark.

Thanks for clarifying. I am actually quite good with flash, have 50d with 580ex flash and photo flash setup at home. My PS prior to 3D1 is the Canon S95 where I have not seen this issue. Your particles explaination makes very much sense, now I know why it's random. I will take a portable vacuum cleaner with me next time and first dust out the air. ;-) And yes I need flash because the subject is moving, children.

Yes the subjects are moving really fast, child + baby. Actually using flash photography you almost get perfect colors using grey card and RAW. Not so practicle for PS and outdoor quick photography.