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post #31 of 46
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As Don has pointed out, for 1/2-frame sbs videos (like from the Bloggie), you can use any media player (like Windows Media Player)) - just make the video full screen and put the monitor in 3D mode for sbs videos (button menu). You will see full-screen 3D (glasses on) with stereo sound, no playback limits.

The 3D streamiong servie for the Masters was quite nice. I wish there were more sports in 3D available that way.
post #32 of 46
Yes, Don's post described another great way to stream 3d content over the internet.

It highlights another issue I have with the HP 3d monitor. There is no physical button to switch 3d formats- sbs, top and bottom, etc. on the monitor. It all has to be done with software/ PowerDVD. Which means you can't connect 3D devices directly to the monitor since it has no physical ability to switch 3D formats. I couldn't use WMP to stream because of that limitation, since WMP can't switch 3D formats like Stereoscopic Player can.

I'm beginning to dislike the HP for the fact that if I hook up external 3d devices in the future there is no physical way to get them to display properly. I might try the LG instead.
post #33 of 46
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The LG monitor definitely has the buttons.

Consider, as the cheapskate 3D person might, that you can get at Walmart a very cheap 32" 1080p passive, wifi enabled 3D HDTV made by Vizio. Don has one, as do I. It can work as a monitor (Don uses it that way) and/or as a better way for the family to watch 3D movies, including your own. The free glasses you get at the movies work fine.
post #34 of 46
I'm highly considering the Vizio Mark, thanks. I have seen you and Don post about it. I'm a little concerned that 32" is too large for use as my computer monitor, as I'm 2 feet away.

It's such a shame the HP has the 3D mode switching limitation. It has a real nice 2D and 3D image. I'll think about my options for a week or so and make a decision as to what would be best for me.
post #35 of 46
Mark or Don, do you have any thoughts on the 32" Vizio display for use as my desktop computer monitor? Would there be any problems with viewing 3D from a distance of 20" to 24". Would that be too close?. I read a review online which said about 5 ft. is optimal for 3D viewing with the Vizio.

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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

There are other sharing options:

The LG Thrill (or Optimus 3D) is a phone with a great 4.3" 3D widescreen. It will play 720p 3D videos in full color 3D without glasses. I have watched Avatar on it, and it is great. But I am queasy about passing around a $700 phone for people to watch videos on. I suppose the HTC Evo 3D can also do this.

Do you have the LG Thrill then Mark? How is it's 3D filming capability?. I saw a 3D video made by the Thrill on YouTube and it looked pretty decent. It seems that it might have IS as well? I'm thinking of going that route to share 3d with friends and family since I'm going to need a new phone soon anyway.
post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

Mark or Don, do you have any thoughts on the 32" Vizio display for use as my desktop computer monitor? Would there be any problems with viewing 3D from a distance of 20" to 24". Would that be too close?. I read a review online which said about 5 ft. is optimal for 3D viewing with the Vizio.

Proper viewing distance varies from person to person. In saying that, I feel 2' is a little too close for that TV. I have a Vizio 42" passive, and due to the dropped resolution in 3D, I watch from about 6' or further. You can view it closer, but scan lines will probably be visible. The Vizios are a great value though.
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

Mark or Don, do you have any thoughts on the 32" Vizio display for use as my desktop computer monitor? Would there be any problems with viewing 3D from a distance of 20" to 24". Would that be too close?.

I believe so. Your z depth will be greatly reduced. I sit 5 feet from my. Vizio.
post #38 of 46
Thanks for the replies and input adpayne and Don. Your opinions seem to verify what my concerns were for such a short viewing distance with the 32" Vizio.

I'll will keep the 32" Vizio in mind for perhaps another location in my home.
post #39 of 46
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"Do you have the LG Thrill then Mark? How is it's 3D filming capability?. I saw a 3D video made by the Thrill on YouTube and it looked pretty decent. It seems that it might have IS as well? I'm thinking of going that route to share 3d with friends and family since I'm going to need a new phone soon anyway."

I have the Thrill. It has an excellent screen, for 2D and 3D, and a perfectly good Android smartphone. The videos are pretty good, though 720p sbs 1/2 frame; the 3D stills are good. Neither as good as the Panasonic 3D1.
More 3D "effect" than the 3D Bloggie for video. You can also edit the 3D video on the phone (new software in latest update). You can watch 3D Youtube videos directly in 3D streaming on the device also and it will play the Bloggie video files. It has digital stabilization.
post #40 of 46
Thanks Mark, seems like you are pretty happy with it. I think I can upgrade sometime in June so I will take a good look at it. I see ATT is offering it for 99 cents right now..refurbished. I don't think they carry the EVO 3D but I will look at that also.
post #41 of 46
Just thought I would post that I ended up keeping my HP 3D monitor. HP gave me a $ credit so I could upgrade the software that came with the monitor- to have the ability to play video with sound recorded in the AAC sound format. They also gave me a credit for the monitor purchase since the price was lowered after I purchased it. The total cost of the monitor with the software upgrade ended up around $200.00. I thought that was a pretty good overall price for what the HP 3D monitor offers.

I can't physically change 3d source formats on the monitor, but the PowerDVD software does fine with changing formats. 3d movie watching, viewing 3d MPO's and 3d camcorder videos all work with the software. If I need the ability to switch 3d formats with a device externally I'll just use my 3d big screen TV.

I'm pretty happy with the HP's 3d and 2d display. The 3d looks very good and regular computing in 2d is nice as well imo. I see no vertical lines and zero light bleed on my particular monitor. It's all working well with my computer hardware. For the price I did not think it was worth it to return and try another brand. I needed a new computer monitor since my old one's ports were dying and with the HP I got 3D functionality as well, at a very reasonable cost.
post #42 of 46
Here are some short scenes I recently shot with my new 3D Bloggie. Some footage is a little shaky as this was all hand held. I do like the 3D Bloggie and it's real easy to carry in my pocket, but I need to upgrade to a 3D cam with image stabilization at some point.

I have been thinking about purchasing the Sony TD10 since the price is really low right now. I am also considering the Panasonic 3D1, but think I would prefer the ability to zoom while recording.

post #43 of 46
I discovered that the Sony's image stabilization is better than the 3D1. If I were you, I'd purchase a TD10 since you have already have a 3D bloggie for the convenience. Maybe wait a few months for the price of the 3D1 to drop if you want to upgrade your Bloggie.

By the way, I just bought a TD10 for $530. It's hard to beat this price right now, so if you can find one at a local bb go for it.

The Bloggie video you posted is not bad. For the price, it's a great 3D cam
post #44 of 46
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I liked the fishing parts the best. The flowers were fun and colorful, but you can really see the main downside of the Bloggie - stabilization. It is possible, with effort, to hold the thing steady, but it requires effort. The 3D1 stabilization is absolutely fine for taking any shots in which the camera holder is not moving (walking). The TD10 requires better stabilization anyway, since more stabilization is needed for 10X telephoto shots - no still 3D's though. Nothing's perfect!
post #45 of 46
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By the way, I just bought a TD10 for $530. It's hard to beat this price right now, so if you can find one at a local bb go for it.

thanks for your opinion Darkside. That's a super price you got on the TD1. Was it a display model? I have seen prices from $750 and up for new online recently. I did happen to check 3 BB's in my travels the last couple of weeks and none had the TD10, new or used.

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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Nothing's perfect!

So true Mark. I think my family would prefer 3D stills at times on the big screen compared to video. I know my wife would. I can sometimes keep the bloggie pretty steady, other times not so much. The bloggie 3D stills aren't bad on the big screen as long as there is alot of light. It's low light performance is not that good imo.

I wish I could have filmed more of the fishing as I liked that as well. The fishing was fast and furious that day. The kids were all reeling in fish left and right and I was lucky to film at all since you have to help them get the fish off the hook. I did not get a chance to fish myself that day since the kids were catching them constantly. That's ok, I just wanted the kids to have fun, but I would have liked to been able to film more of the fishing action.
post #46 of 46
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In my first post on this topic I emphasized sharing video on viewing devices that allowed full color to shine through painlessly, including some small-screen glassless devices. You shoot video for others to see, who may not share your innate enthusiasm. So you need easy, high-quality viewing devices.

But, what if you really want to blow away your friends and family with your 3D videos on a BIG screen, and not pay thousands of dollars? By BIG, I mean screens of at least 80" diagonal. Now, an 80" 3D LED costs $3,000, and you can get ghosting and maybe limited viewing angles. But you can go way beyond 80", at much less cost.

There is a nice cheapskate alternative: projection!

Now, I used to think projectors gave you dim pictures and were a pain to set up, and were expensive. But there is a nice cheapskate 3D system, that is easy and non-intrusive and portable:

Start with the Optoma GT750E. This is a DLP 3D projector that has stereo speakers and two HDMI 4a ports. So you can directly connect a 3D bluray player and it will project in full 720P 3D. It comes with an RF emitter. You do have to purchase active shutter glasses.

Advantages:

1. DLP has no ghosting, none. Not true for any other technology.

2. This projector pumps out lots of lumens (3000) - you can watch in a lit room. I cannot do that with my Samsung 3D plasma (I can use the plasma TV to shave by, it is so reflective). The projected image is the opposite of dim. And the viewing angles are not critical.

3. RF emitter means that with the glasses you can leave the room and not lose synch. No flashing, no headaches, no IR. And the glasses are light, not very dimming and rechargeable.

4. This is a short-throw projector - the projector can be close to the screen (example, 80" from 4.2 feet away). So you do not need a big room, for BIG 3D.

5. This is natively a 3D projector: it automatically projects in 3D from 3D bluray players and 3D video cameras like the TD10. If you have sbs or t/b 3D videos, you just tell the projector that is what you have and it shows them in 3D. There is a button on the remore for switching r/l. It knows 3D.

The cost: $739 for the projector with the emitter included (you can also use DLP glasses not just RF if you want). The RF glasses are $59 each. That's it. You can go up to 332" diagonal, yes over 27 feet.

Oh, you need something to project the picture on? Well, you can just project on a light colored wall, the bigger the wall the better. Or you can hang a sheet.Cost=$0.

What if you do not have an uncluttered wall, and all the family objects to hanging a sheet (and that's a pain anyway)?


You can purchase an inexpensive portable projection screen. Example: the Epson Duet - has a handle and cleverly puts the folded stand and screen in one piece. To set up, you separate the stand and the screen, unfold the stand, put on the screen and unbellow it out. It has two stops: 63" 4:3 (for showing power-points to the kids, say, on proper etiquette) and then another click at 16:9 80"). $149 at Staples.

The projector weighs 6.6 pounds, and comes with a backpack. So, you can take the projector and the portable BIG screen to your friends house, set it up in seconds and show them big-screen 3D. It really makes a difference to see 3D large - really immersive and great bright colors. And you get stereo sound (it is loud and clear) without any other equipment (it has stereo out too). Of course, with HDMI, you can also attach it to your existing sound system and get surround and all that.
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