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post #301 of 390
Hi Guys.

At the Toshiba website product description for 55L6200U http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&section=2&group=6&product=12533&category=
says it can play MPEG2, MP4, WMV, WMA, AVI, MKV, AVCHD (TS only), MP3, JPEG

Has anyone been able to play avi, MKV, WMV and MPEG2 via USB stick?

Thanks
post #302 of 390
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Originally Posted by scredly View Post

I purchased a new 55L6200 from Amazon last weekend for $918. Upgraded from a Samsung 42" DLP. It was delivered today. Connected it to web via wired connection. Updated firmware. Made some quick picture adjustments and watched Journey 2: The Mysterious Island in 3D off HBO On Demand via FiOS. Looked great. All video/audio switched and scaled through a Denon AVR-2311CI.
I went through each picture mode but was unable to activate Cinema Mode - it's always grayed out. Any input on this? I read something about taking TV out of Native mode to make it work. I'll try that later.
All in all, digging it so far.

Same here, can't activate Cinema mode so far. I figured it was being restricted by source content frame rate, but you saying 'take it out of Native mode' is interesting. One place I've seen the word 'native' being used is in the aspect ratio, which Toshiba calls 'pic size'. Maybe that's the issue? Then again, I have found pic size sometimes doesn't want to be changed either.
post #303 of 390
Still confused about the Cinema mode. I found I can toggle it on and off when there's no source. But once you have source material it sets itself to either 'On' or 'Off' and can't be changed. There's probably a simple explanation I haven't stumbled on yet.

Can't seem to get bright white without disabling some auto functions and setting backlight to 100.

Checked out some more 3D movies and the strange effects noticed in the first one were not present, perhaps because there were less fast moving 3D effects? For slower and stationary 3D the effect is really good.
post #304 of 390
For the 55L6200U, i found that Cinema Mode can be turned on when the input video mode is set to interlace (e.g., 480i, 1080i). I set my media player to output 1080/60i thru hdmi2 and was able to toggle Cinema Mode to On. After setting my media player to output 720/60p, 1080/60p or 1080/24p, the Cinema Mode was disabled and set to Off.

A PC or laptop can also be connected to an hdmi (not PC) input and set to output 1080/60i to test the Cinema Mode.

To check the video input signal, make sure you have Settings->Preferences->HDMI Information Display=On to display the ScanType=Interlace/Progressive when the INFO button is pressed on the Remote.

Pic Size (e.g., Native, Widescreen, Full, etc ...) does not appear to have any effect on whether Cinema Mode is disabled or not.

Can anyone confirm my findings?
Edited by avsfanatic - 1/1/13 at 11:53pm
post #305 of 390
I converted a 720p mkv file to HD MPEG2 and was able to play it through USB stick. However, the screen size is weird. It went to 4:3 type size but on the PC, it's still 16:9 wide.
post #306 of 390
Quote:
For the 55L6200U, i found that Cinema Mode can be turned on when the input video mode is set to interlace (e.g., 480i, 1080i). I set my media player to output 1080/60i thru hdmi2 and was able to toggle Cinema Mode to On. After setting my media player to output 720/60p, 1080/60p or 1080/24p, the Cinema Mode was disabled and set to Off.

This seems to match what I am seeing as well. I'm using an HDMI 1.3 cable though. Any idea if a 1.4 would fix this? Wishful thinking, perhaps. 3D Blu-ray content on the PS3 seems to always be 24 Hz, progressive, no matter what I set the PS3 to.

I just got the 55L6200U today and, in general, I think the picture quality is great. However, when watching a 3D blu-ray, moderate motion on the screen gives the same effect that has been previously described on this forum. Still and slow motion scenes look gorgeous in 3D but moderate motion looks stuttery and hurts my eyes. It's not at all watchable. If there's no solution, I'm definitely returning this TV.

Is the Cinema Mode supposed to do motion-smoothing (i.e. interpolating frames)? Is there any documentation on this from Toshiba (because I certainly can't find any)?
post #307 of 390
I'm a little confused. All the adverts for the L6200U state it has ClearScan 120Hz as the refresh rate. The manual (p119) states ClearScan is only for the 7200. The 6200 has Cinema Mode. CleanScan has a couple of settings, while Cinema Mode is simply on or off.

Now I thought Cinema Mode was their 3:2 pulldown, which would make sense to only work on interlaced video(?). Would this also control the 120Hz refresh rate (blur reduction) or is it always displaying image at the 120Hz refresh rate? I'm an audio guy - so set me straight.

I am awaiting a call back from a Toshiba "senior support tech" tomorrow to answer these questions.

I did play a WMV video and MP3's from a USB stick. Looked/sounded fine to me for compressed formats.

Had my laptop going directly into the TV via HDMI. Watching season 1 of Boardwalk Empire via HBO GO online. Looks good for streaming. Sound was acceptable from the built-in speakers.

Neflix worked fine. Logged right in and watched a few minutes of some random movie in my queue.

I think I read earlier in this thread that some folks said after a firmware update their 3D got funky. Unplugging the TV for 10-15 minutes did a soft reset and fixed it. 3D looks fine to my wife and I. Watched Rio & Journey 2 in 3D via HBO On Demand on FiOS. I have the Avatar 3D DVD around here somewhere. I'll break that out tomorrow for a look.

Mine is a June 2012 build. I'm not opening her up to see who mfg. the panel.

I'll post what I hear from Toshiba.

http://us.toshiba.com/tv/research-center/technology-guides

http://us.toshiba.com/tv/3d/55l6200u
Edited by scredly - 1/3/13 at 8:59pm
post #308 of 390
Just got off the phone with Toshiba. The tech (John) and I have verified that, as suspected, Cinema Mode is only available on interlaced content - seems to basically be 3:2 pulldown - no way to verify that it actually enables a 120Hz refresh rate - other than they say it does. I watched some basketball on the NBA channel and couldn't see any difference in the picture of guys running across the court at 10' or 6" from the screen with Cinema Mode off/on.

The tech verified that the 7200's version of ClearScan DOES process progressive content. Although the 6200 is advertised as having CleanScan - it really doesn't - it has Cinema Mode which does not have all the features as true ClearScan in the 7200 as stated in the manual on pg 119 and verified by the tech's tests on his TV simulators of these models.

Good new, the 6200 does process 1080p/24....but Cinema Mode will not enable for this content either.

I have no idea if other 120Hz TV's operate similarly. I only have this one.

Toshiba says they will kick my concerns up the ladder, about what may be construed as false advertising, regarding ClearScan/Cinema Mode in the 6200.

So, basically it's love it or leave it. For the $918 I paid for it, I'm going to keep it.

My Toshiba case # - if someone else decides to ring them up - is : 130103-005483. The notes on my case may save you some time.

I posted a review and user pictures demonstrating screen reflections on Amazon. http://amzn.com/B0077E48FA
Edited by scredly - 1/5/13 at 8:39am
post #309 of 390
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Originally Posted by scredly View Post

Just got off the phone with Toshiba. The tech (John) and I have verified that, as suspected, Cinema Mode is only available on interlaced content - seems to basically be 3:2 pulldown - no way to verify that it actually enables a 120Hz refresh rate - other than they say it does. I watched some basketball on the NBA channel and couldn't see any difference in the picture of guys running across the court at 10' or 6" from the screen with Cinema Mode off/on.
The tech verified that the 7200's version of ClearScan DOES process progressive content. Although the 6200 is advertised as having CleanScan - it really doesn't - it has Cinema Mode which does not have all the features as true ClearScan in the 7200 as stated in the manual on pg 119 and verified by the tech's tests on his TV simulators of these models.
Good new, the 6200 does process 1080p/24....but Cinema Mode will not enable for this content either.
I have no idea if other 120Hz TV's operate similarly. I only have this one.
Toshiba says they will kick my concerns up the ladder, about what may be construed as false advertising, regarding ClearScan/Cinema Mode in the 6200.
So, basically it's love it or leave it. For the $918 I paid for it, I'm going to keep it.
My Toshiba case # - if someone else decides to ring them up - is : 130103-005483. The notes on my case may save you some time.


i am concerned that the 55L6200U does not have a 120hz panel.

according to this discussion 24p True Cinema , a 60hz set can handle 1080/24p with 3:2 pulldown or by switching to 48hz (2:2 pulldown). however, 60hz sets cannot do 5:5 pulldown so that feature would prove its 120hz or higher.

120hz or higher refresh rates (for 1080/60p) are required to insert a new frame using motion interpolation (e.g., MotionFlow, TruMotion, ClearFrame). toshiba describes ClearFrame 120hz using Motion Vector Frame interpolation whereas the description for ClearScan does not mention any such thing.

also, active 3D requires 120+ hz but passive 3D does not.

since i have not found any documentation for the 55L6200U having 5:5 pulldown or motion interpolation, i suspect that it may have a 60hz panel.
there was also uncertainty about LG models having 120hz as well.

having said that, this set is a superb choice given its features (3D, frameless bezel, ultra-thin, 1080/24p, 4 hdmi, wifi, smart, keyboard) at sub $1000. i think this is a keeper for those that don't worry about whether they have a 60hz or 120hz set.

Update:
Toshiba USA describes ClearFrame 120Hz & ClearScan 240Hz together but suspiciously leaves out ClearScan 120Hz. now ClearFrame 120hz uses MEMC (motion estimation-motion compensation) to insert a generated frame. cnet reports that ClearScan 240Hz uses MEMC to double the frame rate to 120Hz and Scanning Backlight to produce a 240 effect since flashing the backlight generates a "black" frame effect but doesn't actually generate a new frame with content.

So what is ClearScan 120Hz? there is little information available but I now believe that it is simply a 60Hz panel with Scanning Backlight to produce a 120 effect. This explains why Cinema Mode (i.e.,MEMC) is not available since that requires a 120Hz panel.

In summary, i believe the 55L6200U is a 60Hz set with Scanning Backlight whereas the 55L7200U is a 120Hz set with MEMC and Scanning Backlight.
Note that the 55L7200U has 5:5 pulldown.
Edited by avsfanatic - 1/23/13 at 10:13pm
post #310 of 390
I just got the 6200 and I'm having trouble with the internet. It will find my network but when I put in my security key nothing happens. It will not go any further then that. Don't know what to do.

Also, the USB port will not recognize my flash drive. I tried 2 of them. The first one works with the keyboard but when I stick in a flash drive in the second one, it says no devices found. I'm not liking this.
Edited by buonforte - 1/5/13 at 1:01am
post #311 of 390
OK, I got the internet to work but USB flash drives don't.
post #312 of 390
I just got the 47L6200 a few days ago. I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as all of you when it comes to TVs, but I've found your discussion very useful. I was hoping someone could help with one issue that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere in the thread.

When I turn on the TV it takes about 10 seconds to boot up. Is this normal? I thought it might be a problem that would be fixed with new firmware, but it appears that the firmware is already up-to-date right out of the box (0.8.5.0 Oct 24 2012, 13:35:03).

I also feel like the picture isn't as sharp as it should be, not even as sharp as my old TV with is a crappy 42" Insignia plasma from 2006. I wonder if it's my eyes playing tricks on me, the colour settings, the HDMI cable I'm using (it's the one that came with my PS3), or maybe the fact that I have an old Rogers box. I'm having Bell FibeTV installed next week so I'm waiting to see how the quality changes then.

Thanks in advance for your help.
post #313 of 390
Hi everyone - new to this thread, and actually browsed quickly through all of the posts to date. Here's my story:

I bought a Samsung UN55EH6000 from BB during Black Friday for $799. Very basic LED set (full array LED vs. edge lit), no Internet, no apps, no 3D, 120Hz refresh. Bottom line is that I like it, but I don't, you know, LOVE it. I also have until January 21 to return it. So I've been kind of keeping my eyes open on the chance something better comes along.

Another notable point is that my Samsung's panel is AU Optronics, which the people on this thread seem to like a lot. I have to agree - it's a nice panel. The full array LED produces a nice even display.

Earlier today I happened to walk into a local Paul's TV and they are running a special - in this case $500 off on the 55L7200U - if you bring in any piece of electronics to be recycled. It could be an old clock radio, an old iPod, anything. $500 off. This would make the price of this set $997, or basically $200 more than what I paid for my Samsung.

For that, I'd get a 240Hz set with 3D, something my wife has expressed interest in. TBH, the Smart and Internet capabilities are of little use - my Blu-ray player is a better option there. But I have yet to see a TV so feature-rich for this amount of money. Also, we have a 37" Toshiba LCD in our bedroom and have been happy with it.

I've noticed that most on this thread have the 6200, not the 7200. I've also noticed the mixed reviews, both from CNET and from some on this thread, including someone who eventually ended up returning his and getting a plasma. I'm a little concerned about some of the issues I've read about with edge-lit LED technology - flashlighting, etc but I'm intrigued enough with the chance to get a 240Hz 55" LED at less than a grand to consider it. 3D is a "nice-to-have," and is supported by my receiver and BR player. We might have some fun with that I suppose. This just seems like a lot of TV for that amount of money, but if the quality is poor, it obviously negates any added benefit, especially since the Samsung is problem-free.

I'm very interested in hearing people's opinions on this before I take the plunge on this Toshiba. The special is only running until tomorrow, so appreciate your speedy responses. TIA smile.gif
post #314 of 390
For that price, it's a no brainer, I would go with the 7200. I've never had a problem with Toshiba and my 6200 is my 4th HD TV by them.

A couple of things:

1. The 3D on my new 55" 6200 is incredible.
2. The Smart TV apps are a joke. There's only 4 of them (Vudu, Netflix, YouTube and something else, I don't remember what it is). When you watch something using one of these apps, the picture is very dark, much darker then watching reg TV or a blu ray. I am not happy about that since the apps from my Sony S590 BD player are just as bright as watching a blu ray.
3. My other issue is with the USB ports. Although the wireless keyboard works fine with the USB dongle, my Sandisk flash drive is not recognized by the TV although the flash drive's LED lights up when you plug it in.

So, don't buy it for the Smart TV part. But for awesome 3D and a great picture with blu ray, it's great.
post #315 of 390
The 7200 features full array LED back lighting with dimming, No brainer at that price.
post #316 of 390
Thanks for the comments. After reading a bunch of reviews of this set, I'm not terribly confident. My current set is not perfect but it does produce a nice even display. The strengths of the 7200 seem to be: better black levels than most LED sets, very good color accuracy and very good 3D. What concerns me are the potential uniformity issues caused by the edge lit technology. Sort of wondering how much I'd notice them and if it would be overly distracting. I think I'll go back to the store for another look and try to make up my mind. Will let you know what I end up deciding. This is one of those situations where it almost feels like they are trying to get rid of these sets because they haven't been good performers, otherwise how do you justify that kind of price for a model that's only been around for a few months?

EDIT: Update is that I ended up NOT pulling the trigger on this set and decided to just let it ride with my Samsung. I never made it back to the store to get that second look I wanted. Wife was an influence as she's pleased with the Samsung and didn't feel like 3D was worth the extra $200 at this point. I'm also not convinced that the PQ would have been that much better. While the reviews on the 6200 seem generally positive, I can't say the same for the 7200. Perhaps this is a function of the reviewers' expectations but there also wasn't enough positive feedback on this thread to make me doubt the reviews. In any case, best of luck and thanks again for those of you who responded. Wish I'd had more than 2 days to make a decision on this.
Edited by jonny-zed - 1/6/13 at 9:09pm
post #317 of 390
Price does come into play with expectations. At under a grand...

You can hold out for this: http://en.akihabaranews.com/122184/home-entertainment/toshiba-outs-a-new-ultra-hd-tv-at-the-ces-2013-with-the-l9300-series
post #318 of 390
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Originally Posted by scredly View Post

Price does come into play with expectations. At under a grand...
You can hold out for this: http://en.akihabaranews.com/122184/home-entertainment/toshiba-outs-a-new-ultra-hd-tv-at-the-ces-2013-with-the-l9300-series

What made this more difficult is that the reviews were based on this being Toshiba's "high end" LED, so they aren't comparing it to sets like my 6000 series; they're comparing it to higher-end Samsungs, Pannies, etc. so the reviews come off as disappointing. If the 7200 had an MSRP in that lower-end $1300-1400 range, who knows, the reviewer might be raving about the "value" delivered by the 7200 (HIGH-END PERFORMANCE AT A BUDGET PRICE!!!) LOL. And as you say, at less than a grand, it's really a lot of TV. So yeah, perhaps it was a no-brainer, but maybe there will be another opportunity further on down the road when I can give it a little more thought, do a little more research and not have to make such a quick decision. I will continue to lurk - still a couple of weeks before my return window at BB for the Samsung expires...wink.gif
post #319 of 390
How do you find the viewing angle on this TV?

I currently have a samsung 55ES7500 but the off angle viewing has a noticeable drop off.
Even sitting on the end seat of a large couch (maybe 10 to 15 degrees off center) I see almost a whitewash effect, all colors seem considerably duller.

I often it at my computer and watch TV (probably 30 degrees off center) The samsung bothers me so much that I will likely return it.

Anyone able to comment on the the viewing angles of the 55L6200U?
post #320 of 390
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Originally Posted by Tim80 View Post

How do you find the viewing angle on this TV?
I currently have a samsung 55ES7500 but the off angle viewing has a noticeable drop off.
Even sitting on the end seat of a large couch (maybe 10 to 15 degrees off center) I see almost a whitewash effect, all colors seem considerably duller.
I often it at my computer and watch TV (probably 30 degrees off center) The samsung bothers me so much that I will likely return it.
Anyone able to comment on the the viewing angles of the 55L6200U?

By all accounts, the viewing angles on LED sets tend to be less than stellar. What adjustments have you made? If your picture looks washed out, you could try adjusting the gamma downwards as a potential way to compensate but not so far down that the brightness is overly diminished with full-on viewing. You may also want to check out some of the Samsung threads for other suggestions.

I will say this - when I was looking at the 55L7200U last weekend, I thought the viewing angles were much better than the Samsung UN55EH6000 right next to it. But the 6000 is Samsung's low-end LED so I'm not sure how the higher-end 7500 would compare to the Toshiba. Good luck!
post #321 of 390
How do you program the remote for the L6200 set? I'm assuming it a universal one.

Got the 55L6200 from BestBuy during Boxing day for $997 so far I'm loving it. On the plus side:
  • ACR is really great with my Onkyo HT. A push in the power button of the remote, turns my HT on as well. If I power off the HT, then the sound automatically goes to the TV speakers.
  • Netflix can get US content via DNS settings. Although for some reason, you can't get the settings change (like sound/picture) once the app started.
  • PQ is awesome
  • 3D is good as well. My kids are digging it. Watched latest of Madagascar and it was awesome.

On the minus side.
  • Paper manual is whatever...
  • Boots around 10 sec +, but that's OK since I think it establish everything including the wireless connection cause Netflix is instantaneous.

Haven't tried hooking the PS3 and do some 3d gaming. I also have a NAS with my videos/movie collection, but the AppleTV thru XBMC is the one feeding that.
post #322 of 390
Maybe someone has the same experience in this. I have a 55L6200U that used to takes 10 sec to turn on, but I noticed the set turns on immidiately couple times the last few days. ??????
post #323 of 390
Has anyone been able to play a mkv via media server or anything else? They advertised that it does... but unfortunately that is false. I haven't quite got Wild Media to work but did anyone have success with that?
post #324 of 390
I am considering getting this TV. Does anyone use the IR blaster and cable box integration. Is it any good.

I plan to hook this up to my receiver, my rogers cable dvr is connected to the receiver also inside a cabinet.

thanks
post #325 of 390
Hello all,

I have an issue that's not being addressed, or at least not that I can find an answer to. My 55L6200U suffers from crosstalk. I'm not sure if its my PS3 or my HDMI cable or what. My question is more along the line of is there any way to calibrate the 3D settings in the TV to fix the crosstalk, I tried dicking around with the settings and nothing seems to help. Also I have updated the firmware, or at least the TV says theirs no new updates. Would there be settings in the ps3 to fix? I use it for games and blu-rays. or maybe even in the HDMI cable. If a HDMI cable is say 1.2, or 1.3 would that cause crosstalk or just not work at all with 3D. I watched the movie Avatar and it was pretty good but still lots of crosstalk, and the game killzone 3 and COD black-ops 2 also suffer.

One more question. I had a 50" Sony Bravia TV and it had a "picture off" feature. I cant seem to find such a feature on the L6200U, not sure if it exists, but would be great if somebody knows if there is a way to get it. the reason is. I use it for my dog tongue.gif just to have some noise in the house while I'm at work.

Thank you all in advance, for your time and help.

Lloyd Hillier
post #326 of 390
I'm still fighting with that too (trying to play MKV files)...I have an LG Smart TV as well so I use Plex Media Server software on my Windows server where I have all of my media stored. It works great on the LG TV - it can play DIVX, AVI, and MKV files with no problems.

When I connect the Toshiba (47L6200U) at the same server, it sees the photos and music with no problems, but it doesn't display a single video file as even being present. Not only can I not play them...the TV doesn't think they exist! I've tried connecting to other PCs that use Windows' media sharing features and they will actually display the files, but they still won't play - I select one and it thinks for about 2 minutes - and then crashes saying the media type is unsupported.

Other people on the forum say their MKVs work fine from a USB stick which suggests the TV is capable of playing them...but not over the network - or not with Plex anyway.

Overall, I like the picture quality of the TV - maybe even a bit more than my LG 55LW6500 TV - but the Smart features are pretty dumb. The fact that it's not really a 120 Hz panel adds to the feeling that this is a middle-high model for Toshiba, but it's really entry-level when compared to LG, Sony, and Samsung. It's good value for the money, but people should realize that they really are getting what they paid for - entry level. I just hope we all got them on sale...! I got a ridiculous deal on this one so I'm okay with that. It would be nice to see if Toshiba could actually make a higher end model though.

It's still a great upgrade from my Samsung 46" TV that died only 4 months after the 1 year warranty expired. I had someone take that TV apart to see what caused the problem - and it was a design error - the plastic shell was actually resting on components that made the screen go black and streaky in some parts of the screen. My friend actually fixed it but broke off one of the key components when he was remounting the plastic shell...dohh...so now it's really dead, but I learned a lot about Samsung in the process.

If anyone has any luck with media servers (from the TV side) - please let us know!!
post #327 of 390
Just picked up the 55" 6200 today. Wondering how other people have setup the wiring with HDMI, receiver, Blue-ray, and set top boxes. The reason I ask is depending on how you configure it, certain features won't work. Specifically:

-If you put your digital set top box (In Canada with Rogers HD PVR) with HDMI into receiver, all other components into receiver, and receiver to HDMI 1 with ARC, you get to use audio return through receiver when streaming content to the TV or using internet apps. However, to use ARC, you need to use HDMI control which eliminated the IR blaster which also means I cannot use the Toshiba remote to control the Rogers set top box. Alternatively, I can go with this setup, turn off HDMI control, but then I need to manually control the power of te receiver and also run an optical four sound return from the TV to the receiver.

-Second option is to have the receiver with blue ray, xbox etc run the HDMI 1 with ARC and HDMI control, then connect the Rogers box directly to the TV with HDMI2. In this setup I can now use the IR blaster of the TV and HDMI control on the receiver but need two HDMI connections to the TV.

Any thoughts?

thanks
post #328 of 390
Paul's TV offers the Toshiba 55" 120Hz 1080p 3D LED-Backlit HD Television, model no. 55L6200U, for $1,699.99. Coupon code "SAVE700" cuts it to $999.99. With free shipping,

http://www.paulstv.com/LED-Televisions/Toshiba-55L6200U.asp?ref=cj
post #329 of 390
dhuhtala,

You might want to try serviio as a media server. Though you may have to use a different profile. A bit of trial and error. I am using serviio via my Blu-Ray player and it works with file type I have given it (Sony BDP-S590 using Sony Bravia 2012 US profile). While my 55l6200 does see it, I have not tried it. My BR player has better apps, so I have use that exclusively.

On another note, I saw Life of Pi the other night. I kept the glasses and now have three extra pairs for home.
post #330 of 390
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post

OK, I got the internet to work but USB flash drives don't.

You have to format the USB stick as "Fat32" Just plug it into your computer, right click ->Format and select Fat32 form the drop down."
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