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need help figuring out what receiver to buy for 7.1 or 7.2 setup

post #1 of 30
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in january i bought 6 polk audio monitor 40 series 2 speakers and a CS1 series 2 speaker for a 7.1 or 7.2 setup. still undecided on 2 subs or one, and had been planning on buying the onkyo TX-NR609 receiver to power them but the place i was going to buy it from ran out and dont have any more, the reason that affects what i am buying is because i have credit through them and would have been easier to pay off over time instead of all at once with current situation. now if i have to spend the money all at once just want the best receiver for the money. my price range is about $400 can go up to $500 if i must for a noticeable difference, would like it to have and easy to use on screen setup, auto calibration because the shape of the room is odd and not sure yet how i will have the speakers place might be a little funky, would also like about 100rms per channel power since the speakers run up to 125 and would like to be as close as possible to that number dont want to under power them. will be used with my pc for gaming movies music, i was told to run hdmi from GPU to the receiver for best sound instead card would like to make sure that is true? have been looking at denon onkyo pioneer and yamaha but dont know any of the differences in features and components used by the companies.

thanks in advance for any and all help

also if there are any 2 subs for about 200 each of 1 sub for 400 you guys recommend above others i would love to hear about it had been looking at 2 polk audio psw110's
post #2 of 30
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anyone?
post #3 of 30
^^^

try sentences... you might get more help if we didn't have to attempt to decipher your post...
post #4 of 30
Wow. Not one period. That makes it tough on the reader and can induce a headache.

That said, from I can tell, you are looking for a decent receiver with good room correction for less than $500. I'd call Electronics Expo or J&R Electronics or the sales department of this site and see what they can do for you on a Denon 2112CI. I know EE will sell you one for <$450 delivered, new in the box, with warranty.

Read posts 1 - 4 in this thread on the XX12 Denons:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1334369

Regarding cheap(er) subs, here is an interesting recent thread on cheaper(er) subs with graphs from a member who knows his subs:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1401651
post #5 of 30
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sorry i speak well but writing has never been a strong point for me. so you would say denon for best sound quality in my price range? also where is the sales number for this sight?

thanks for your help so far
post #6 of 30
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Originally Posted by sureshot1234 View Post

.. would also like about 100rms per channel power since the speakers run up to 125 and would like to be as close as possible to that number dont want to under power them.

The speakers will rarely be using more than 5W/CH so focus more on the features you need and less on the power of the AVR. You can find all of the authorized Denon resellers listed on Denon's site below.

http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/p...eetailers.aspx

Also note that with dual subs, you don't necessarily need an AVR with dual sub preouts as using a $3 RCA "Y" splitter cable will do the trick just as well with a single sub preout.
post #7 of 30
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Never though about the splitter thanks for that tip . Also how would it only run 5 watts thought 80 was rms continuous power so could you please explain how that works for me ? And what makes denon the best brand for sound quality in my price range ? And what do you guys think I should do 1 or 2 subs for $400 and are the Polk psw110 any good ?
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by sureshot1234 View Post

Never though about the splitter thanks for that tip . Also how would it only run 5 watts thought 80 was rms continuous power so could you please explain how that works for me ? And what makes denon the best brand for sound quality in my price range ? And what do you guys think I should do 1 or 2 subs for $400 and are the Polk psw110 any good ?

The power supplied from the receiver to your speakers depends on many factors. One factoid to note is that sound level vs power is not linear. Each doubling of sound level (sound pressure level) requires 10 times the power.

As movies are very dynamic, most of the time you will use very little power. During loud scenes in movies, the power the receiver must supply will spike. You can get a rough idea of what sort of power is needed by finding amplifier power calculator table online. You usually input desired SPL (how loud,) speaker sensitivity and listening distance.

The nice thing about power is that a small reduction in sound level equates to a reduction in power needs (3 dB less SPL requires 1/10 the power.)
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The speakers will rarely be using more than 5W/CH so focus more on the features you need and less on the power of the AVR. You can find all of the authorized Denon resellers listed on Denon's site below.

http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/p...eetailers.aspx

Also note that with dual subs, you don't necessarily need an AVR with dual sub preouts as using a $3 RCA "Y" splitter cable will do the trick just as well with a single sub preout.

Granted in his price range, one sub out vs two sub out, I agree with you, but an AVR with XT32 does handle two subs differently than just using a "Y" splitter. The Denon 2112CI would be a good choice for the OPer. Good performance, features and 3 year warranty.
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post #10 of 30
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had people on head fi saying yamaha and you guys saying Denon and crutchfield saying denon and me still for some reason liking the look of the onkyos for som reason but looked closer at reviews on yamaha and denon and found alot of references to other brands on denon and denon to onkyo so i guess i am sold on getting a denon now will be calling the stores listed above later or tomorrow and see what prices i can get from them for the 2112CI but if they are to high might just go witht the 1912. what would i lose between the 2?
post #11 of 30
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just called both J&R and Electronics Expo and expo came in at the cheapest 449.99 for the 2112ci so what is the difference between the 1912 and 2112? i am trying to figure that out right now why spend more if they are similiar enough
post #12 of 30
You need to check out accessories4less and get the denon 1712 refurb. It has multeQ XT.
post #13 of 30
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so i talked to crutchfield and they said the main difference was multi room stuff, more setup positions for the Audyssey and the warranty so i think i will just do the 1912 wont ever need multi room and 6 vs 8 sitting positions it will be in my room so 6 is more than enough and the warranty i could just get and extended warranty thank for your help guys now i just need to figure out what sub 2 get and i will be done
post #14 of 30
Check the differences between the 1912 and 1712 before you purchase. And there are other alternatives besides crutchfield to check out for the same gear.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by sureshot1234 View Post

so i talked to crutchfield and they said the main difference was multi room stuff, more setup positions for the Audyssey and the warranty so i think i will just do the 1912 wont ever need multi room and 6 vs 8 sitting positions it will be in my room so 6 is more than enough and the warranty i could just get and extended warranty thank for your help guys now i just need to figure out what sub 2 get and i will be done

The 2112CI uses a better version of Audyssey so it would likely provide better audio fidelity. Also note the 6 vs. 8 doesn't refer to actual sitting positions, rather the fact that more data points are used by the more advanced version of Audyssey as all data points are taken within a 2'-3' radius of the #1 position (not where someone actually sits). Also, the 2112CI is generally no more than $50 more than the 1912 so well worth the difference for the additional 1 year of warranty, better version of Audyssey, as well as the ability to SAVE the configuration file to a PC so you don't have to rerun the AUTO configuration setup again if you have to reset the microprocessor.
post #16 of 30
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So I called J&R back and they said 429 or 439 can't remember :S for the 2112 so I guess for 30-40 dollars more it is worth it if I bought the 1912 be about 399 and another 50 for extended warranty so I save and upgrade thanks for telling me to call them

And since it's a one sub receiver I think instead of a splitter I will just get 1 sub in the 3 to $400 range what would you guys recommend for that ?
post #17 of 30
^^
As noted, just because there's only 1 sub preout doesn't make it a "1 sub AVR" ... the larger the room the better fidelity and smoother bass will be had using 2 subs. Check out the Sub forum for recommendations --> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=113
post #18 of 30
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i posted a new thread for a sub in that section following the guide lines post for what info to include when asking and the room isnt all that big less than 2000 cubic feet
post #19 of 30
My vote goes for Denon and Polk Audio Speakers matches very well with Denon AVR's
post #20 of 30
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glad to hear that since that is what i have for speakers and plan on getting the Denon AVR-2112CI receiver anyone here heard or own and use or used the monitor 40 series 2 speakers before ? or just the series 2 in general would love to hear what you have to say about them since i havent gotten to hear then and been looking at them since the beginning of february :S drives me crazy
post #21 of 30
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well guys just ordered the denon avr-1712 for about 280 shipped the 2112ci had to much stuff i wouldnt use so i got the other saved 160 and get everything i need i cant wait
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by sureshot1234 View Post

well guys just ordered the denon avr-1712 for about 280 shipped the 2112ci had to much stuff i wouldnt use so i got the other saved 160 and get everything i need i cant wait

NICE!

Enjoy your new Denon. Where'd you order it from?
post #23 of 30
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i ordered from electronics expo
post #24 of 30
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So hooked up the denon and OH YA !!!!! It's great still don't understand all the features and settings as much as I would like but still sounds awesome . The first movie I watched was Super 8 an when the train crashed I felt like running with the kids to get away, loved it couldn't be happier and thank you all for all your help and recommending the denon
post #25 of 30
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i have a question from my understanding a crossover limits the frequencies going to certain speakers i have my denon 1712 crossover at 60hz and the subs set at 120 for a nice large blending point and have the sub set to LFE+main (what does that mean exactly) but the speakers are still trying to play lower than 60hz do i have something set wrong? or misunderstand something? also in the setting i can set my speakers to be large or small i have polk audio monitor 40 series 2 speakers and a CS1 series 2 center would they be conisdered large or small? or is large considered standing tower speakers?
post #26 of 30
^^ LFE + Main sends the low frequencies from the sub channel to both the sub and the main speakers. To reproduce the intended sound track, it is more straight forward to use the LFE setting (keep the sub channel frequencies with the sub only) and set your main speakers to small (no matter what the setup routine recommended). Setting them to small also sends low frequencies from the main channels to the sub rather than the mains, based on your HPF or crossover setting (not sure of the language on the 1712). Since the sub is more capable of handling those frequencies, this helps the overall system performance. 80 is a good starting point for that setting, depending on the bass capability of your main speakers. As far as your values, I didn't look up your specific speakers - did you record the initial Audyssey values? 60 for any speaker means you think it is bass capable. The 120 number for the subwoofer LPF for LFE is default, but only affects the sub channel. Nothing wrong with leaving it there.
post #27 of 30
Now that you own a Denon 1712, join us in the Denon AVR-XX12 Owner's thread reviewing post #3 linked in my sig for additional helpful information.
post #28 of 30
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290202

those are my speakers and all of them but the center channel look like they do down to 47hz and the center down to 55hz so they can do some bass.

and the original audyssey settings had some at 40hz and some at 60hz i changed it all to 60hz to be uniform
post #29 of 30
What subwoofer did you end up buying?

If you haven't purchased one Newegg has the Energy s10.3 for $189 using the promo code EMCYTZT1649

Nevermind, I see you got the Polk PSW-505 in your sub thread. Good choice and price.

Train crash in Super 8 is pretty awesome! My s10.3 really shook the room.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
ya i didnt even have my sub when i watched it and my speakers shook it
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