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Revolution is awesome.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA INHALE BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAAAAAA....
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The writing is terrible, the characters nothing more than two-dimensional cutouts of human villains we've seen a million times before. I appreciate all the money that's been spent, and maybe if I were a twenty-something gamer I might be more inclined to give 'Defiance' a break. But when a new sci-fi show is causing me to wax nostalgic about 'Terra Nova', that's not a good sign.

Episode 3 was particularly bad. This show feels like it strives to pander to the lowest common denominator of science fiction and fantasy in every possible way. The opening was a copypasta job of the pilot for Grimm (jogger wearing earbuds gets mauled to death by fictional creature in a forest), except that a) the victim was male and b) the investigators didn't spend time promoting Apple and Nike products after the attack. After that, we discovered that a main character has received a supernatural sixth sense (Cordelia's visions! Julie Benz's presence must be rubbing off) that gives her insight into crimes that would otherwise be impossible to solve (The Listener, Continuum).

Of course, accessing this power first requires a mix of Klingon bloodrites and a spirit quest (A-koo-chee-moya! We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers and from the bones of our people, but perhaps there is one powerful being who will embrace this good crew Irathient and give them her the answer they she seeks.) After The-Powers-That-Be reveal the crucial information, the intrepid band sets out to infiltrate the enemy base of operations, only to be momentarily stopped by what would normally be an irreparable technological malfunction ("Tommy! That elevator is our only way out of here!" "It's broken, but don't worry Nolan! I can compensate by creating a feedback loop!")

I'd rather be watching season 2 of Terra Nova right now, too.
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post #214 of 425
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Of course, accessing this power first requires a mix of Klingon bloodrites and a spirit quest (A-koo-chee-moya! We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers and from the bones of our people, but perhaps there is one powerful being who will embrace this good crew Irathient and give them her the answer they she seeks.) After The-Powers-That-Be reveal the crucial information, the intrepid band sets out to infiltrate the enemy base of operations, only to be momentarily stopped by what would normally be an irreparable technological malfunction ("Tommy! That elevator is our only way out of here!" "It's broken, but don't worry Nolan! I can compensate by creating a feedback loop!")

I though the usual solution was to reconfigure the deflector array? biggrin.gif
post #215 of 425
The closing montage with a modern cover of the 70's song "O-o-h Child" was decent.
This series is kind of meandering- it needs a clear course.
post #216 of 425
I actually thought this was a decent episode but the show still needs better writing and directing.
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

The closing montage with a modern cover of the 70's song "O-o-h Child" was decent.
This series is kind of meandering- it needs a clear course.

I think musical endings can be very effective, but I had just the opposite reaction to this one. I thought it to be an eye rolling moment. Of course, that might have been because I was already aggravated by the rest of the episode.
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Wonder if I can make it in?
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I though the usual solution was to reconfigure the deflector array? biggrin.gif

The usual solution in Star Trek is just "Compensating!" (Although "Evasive maneuvers!" are pretty common, too. biggrin.gif) Creating a feedback loop is how you solve problems in Stargate. wink.gif
post #220 of 425
This show seems to be missing a "big, overlying mystery" , at least so far ... ( & I'm starting to think it needs one) ..
There's no, for example, glimpses of an unknown watching the town from a holographic view screen, a buried ancient ship, shocking transmissions on a radio from an unknown origin ... or a fade out to a Stelllar Cruiser in orbit, or scenes cutting somewhere to people living in an appartently "untoched 2013 looking city, watching TV & using their Ifones .." ... Nothing...
Just the 'shanty town,' old west, good guy/bad guy human interest stuff, & the greedy old mayor / agenda .... That's it. so far
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This show seems to be missing a "big, overlying mystery" , at least so far ... ( & I'm starting to think it needs one) ..
There's no, for example, glimpses of an unknown watching the town from a holographic view screen, a buried ancient ship, shocking transmissions on a radio from an unknown origin ... or a fade out to a Stelllar Cruiser in orbit, or scenes cutting somewhere to people living in an appartently "untoched 2013 looking city, watching TV & using their Ifones .." ... Nothing...
Just the 'shanty town,' old west, good guy/bad guy human interest stuff, & the greedy old mayor / agenda .... That's it. so far
Good point.
The "mysteries" tend to be episodic.
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This show seems to be missing a "big, overlying mystery" , at least so far ... ( & I'm starting to think it needs one) ..
 

LOL...I thought there was one. Ex Major part of plot to drive citizens out of town because of ''the something'', which miner boss's eldest son was killed because he had part of ''the something'' that the evil seecrit cabal desperately wants...which no doubt will be tied to the mystery of why the arkships exploded, starting the war in the first place. biggrin.gif

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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA INHALE BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAAAAAA....

Missing a coughing fit.
post #224 of 425
Did they ever reveal what they're mining?
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Unobtainium
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Thought so. rolleyes.gif
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LOL...I thought there was one. Ex Major part of plot to drive citizens out of town because of ''the something'', which miner boss's eldest son was killed because he had part of ''the something'' that the evil seecrit cabal desperately wants...which no doubt will be tied to the mystery of why the arkships exploded, starting the war in the first place. biggrin.gif
Yeah all that second screening is killing the details. Also got mention of an Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
artifact of some kind
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

I think musical endings can be very effective, but I had just the opposite reaction to this one. I thought it to be an eye rolling moment. Of course, that might have been because I was already aggravated by the rest of the episode.

+1 to the rolleyes.gif
basically, this episode pretty much sucked wind.

a new rendition of an old mediocre, sappy bubblegum song is not my idea of an interesting way to end the episode. lame - I'm old 'nuff to remember the original song, didn't like it then either. after 2 min of "ooh, child" we couldn't stomach it any longer, hit the delete button on DVR.

the show needs a direction...it's starting to look Terra Nova-ish after only 3 episodes, even get a monster instead of a dino. with a cop crime of the week, a chestburster scene & giant bugs, we got rips of Terra Nova, Alien & Starship Troopers - originality not rolleyes.gif

I hope this starts to develop the story arc, overall mystery or a direction soon. how many times does SyFy & other networks have to learn this lesson - CGI effects & weird aliens are NOT enough. Farscape added humor, sarcasm, a backdrop story arc to add something special to weird aliens & puppets! if they can make puppets seem like real people then, why is it hard for SyFy to develop a good show now?

Orphan Black has no special effects & 3 episodes of it were far more interesting than 3 episodes of Defiance.

count me disappointed but still hopeful. I did like the pilot & felt the show had good potential. even Babylon 5 needed most of the 1st season to get cooking but if Defiance can't get past the crime of the week & creatures, it's toast IMHO. pretty much a show for lowest common denom's.

we've been watching all of XFiles, start to finish from last year, a show I never really paid much attention to when it ran. let me say, Defiance is no XFiles. XFiles did it right, proof being 9 seasons! at this rate, Defiance may only make 1.

so far, I'd say Revolution, Orphan Black are far superior shows. and for a SyFy show, Haven at least had interesting characters & an ongoing mystery. the good news is Continuum's coming back soon & Haven's new season supposedly will be summer.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/2/13 at 8:42am
post #229 of 425
I'm not sure that many of us here are really in the target audience for this show. So it will probably succeed without us. Heaven knows there have been many, better shows that have failed with us in their camp.
post #230 of 425
I have a lot of hope for this with O'Bannon being part of the production, but so far they are missing a charismic character like Browder brought to Farscape. Defiance may mature and become something that draws me in. I'm with archiguy in that this forum can be very hard to please scifi wise. Orphan Black has been held up as a good start. As I've said before in threads, it's not the scifi, it's the characters and plots. Orphan Black has so little scifi (fact is, none really other than cloning which in and of itself isn't much) in it that it barely qualifies, but it seems to be well written so far. Defiiance has a whole bunch of scifi, but is running short on the story and character side. It's early so I'll keep tuning in.
post #231 of 425
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'm not sure that many of us here are really in the target audience for this show. So it will probably succeed without us. Heaven knows there have been many, better shows that have failed with us in their camp.

true

I'll try not to be too hard on it so early... the ooh child got to me redface.gif I couldn't believe they dredged up that sappy song for a supposedly "hard" SF show. the old tunes in Boardwalk Empire are cool because they're from that era & fit the show.

I'm still watching Defiance, if nothing else to support a true SF show on the SyFy Channel wink.gif but it hasn't quite lived up to the pre-show hype either. my wife remarked in the giant bug scene that where you're supposed to get out the game & shoot biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

I couldn't believe they dredged up that sappy song for a supposedly "hard" SF show. the old tunes in Boardwalk Empire are cool because they're from that era & fit the show.

I'm still watching Defiance
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post #233 of 425
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

true

I'll try not to be too hard on it so early... the ooh child got to me redface.gif I couldn't believe they dredged up that sappy song for a supposedly "hard" SF show. the old tunes in Boardwalk Empire are cool because they're from that era & fit the show.
Can't understand all the hate for a uplifting song of hope that's listed in many "Top xxx song's of the 70's" lists confused.gif
Time to enjoy the original version...
post #234 of 425
Can't understand the hate for X. Catchphrase of the twenty teens.
post #235 of 425
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

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I'll try not to be too hard on it so early... the ooh child got to me redface.gif I couldn't believe they dredged up that sappy song for a supposedly "hard" SF show. the old tunes in Boardwalk Empire are cool because they're from that era & fit the show.

I'm still watching Defiance, if nothing else to support a true SF show on the SyFy Channel wink.gif but it hasn't quite lived up to the pre-show hype either. my wife remarked in the giant bug scene that where you're supposed to get out the game & shoot biggrin.gif

Well don't forget during the pilot they did a C&W song. I think it was the original song. Unless it was one of the cast members singing. Don't know why they not use the original.

Tell your wife I agree with here. My first thought was how are we going to get a raid down here in the mines?!? biggrin.gif
post #236 of 425
Did anyone happen to notice who is listed in the end credits as "music by...."?
It's someone we all like BTW....
post #237 of 425
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I'm with archiguy in that this forum can be very hard to please scifi wise. Orphan Black has been held up as a good start. As I've said before in threads, it's not the scifi, it's the characters and plots. Orphan Black has so little scifi (fact is, none really other than cloning which in and of itself isn't much) in it that it barely qualifies, but it seems to be well written so far. Defiiance has a whole bunch of scifi, but is running short on the story and character side.

I think this is the problem that has largely led to the decline of science fiction on TV. With the rise of visual effects, people have gotten the idea that unless they're seeing people fighting space battles, shooting ray guns, or wearing rubber alien suits, they aren't watching science fiction. Orphan Black is entrenched in science fiction, as its entire premise and the way the story is unfolding is hinged upon a cloning premise that doesn't yet exist. The visual effects in Orphan Black are crucial to selling the premise, yet they are also far more subtle than space battles: giving the illusion of the same actress having conversations with alternate versions of herself is no small technical feat, but because it isn't flashy, it's given little credit.

The problem with science fiction shows is that visual effects are being treated as a substitute for good writing, rather than as a supplement to it. The showrunners for Defiance seem to think that rehashing old plots is fine, as long as they replace a few stock characters with aliens, which isn't enough to make an interesting show, let alone a hit one.
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to me, here's an excellent example of using an old song in an SF show, not particularly an uplifting song I admit but it was used very effectively IMO -

when Tigh & others were figuring out they were Cylons, Battlestar Galactica used a very modified & eerie version of Bob Dylan's All Along the Watchtower for the self-aware switch & I thought it just fit perfectly. I don't have a clue why Moore & Bear MacCreary chose that song & modified it but it just worked. a song that Hendrix made more famous than Dylan. so I'm not opposed to using old songs in modern shows smile.gif

All Along the Watchtower is a classic. I'm not sure Oohh Child is wink.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 5/2/13 at 3:27pm
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